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Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by LordReed(m): 12:24pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy: Right. So you are advocating a solipsistic position. That's fine and I told you I don't argue with solipsistic positions, it's pointless imo. No I don't know what purtanism is. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by triplechoice(m): 12:26pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy: It's not through the mere agreement of the non visually impaired that has determined the quality of dangote cement ,but through an objective scientific process called quality control used in testing the products before it's released to the market . So whether you can see the cement with your eyes or not doesn't count for anything . You only confirmed the quality ,that's already established , when you use it. The product has been independently confirmed to be of a particular kind of quality . It has nothing to do with any kind of subjective collective agreement . You "re creating confusion @ cheiveboy . You op doesn't agree with what you "re saying after it. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 12:28pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
LordReed: Fine.
Good. This is me declaring the objectivity of whatever purtanism is. Cheers! |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 12:30pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:The word "puritanism" does not exist. It has no shape or Color, It's just a symbol representing something. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 12:31pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Maynman: LoL tell us more |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 12:32pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy: The “name” for anything is an abstract concept. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 12:36pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Maynman: ..which is further agreed and accepted by the users and mentioners of that name to form an object or instance of objectivity |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 12:37pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:Exactly, so, The word "puritanism" does not exist. It has no shape or Color. Who are the users and mentioners? |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 12:39pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Maynman: Those who will later decide to name one thing or the other "puritanism". This can be an invention or a future-occurring concept. The catch: one or more persons must decide a level of objectivity. This is what my friend here fail to see. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 12:41pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:The word "puritanism" is already used as a symbol for some people representing something, it's here already. The future does not exist, there's only Now. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 12:42pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:The persons will use their subjectivity to decide the objectivity. Subjectivity implies Objectivity, and vice versa. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 12:46pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Maynman: Okay, I will insult you small This is the first time you have really showed us you have 'number 6'. Impressive! Lordreed, triplechoice The stone the builders have rejected o... Mayman has cracked the code for you guys. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 12:47pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:The joke is on you, you are in prison and you THINK you are free. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 12:47pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Maynman: It's "purtanism" not 'puritanism', check well. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 12:49pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:They are symbols representing something. Your mind already knows what I was saying, you are not your mind |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by triplechoice(m): 12:49pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy: Anyone,who handles, without any form of protection , a high tension cable carrying electricity, will surely be electrocuted .Not "agreeing "won't save you . I have just given you something to work with to get your answer yourself . |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 12:50pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Maynman: Like seriously you got it spot on. I am not joking. People use their eyes, ears, noses, skins and brains to perceive whatever is branded as 'Objective'. Their eyes, ears, noses, etc are all subjective paraphernalia. So I am not actually kidding you, I meant you are right. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 12:51pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:Boy, you need, eyes, ears, noses, skins and brains to perceive REALITY, without it you cannot. Close your eyes and think of a color that has not existed before... |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by triplechoice(m): 12:53pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy: Are you sure you understand what he explained ? |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by triplechoice(m): 12:56pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Maynman: @cheiveboy. See what I mean? . You failed to grasp what he meant the first time |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 12:58pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
triplechoice: Agreed, the drift (a very big one) is: this electrocution measured let's say in 50kw will register and be experienced differently relative to body-mass, bio-electric state of the cells, etc. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by triplechoice(m): 1:07pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:The difference is not the relevant thing here but the fact that anyone who handles it has an experience of it as proof of it's existence . |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 1:09pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
triplechoice: Actually he reenforced my opinion that all what we label as objective is merely a collective agreement to label them so even though they actually are not objective in the very intent of the word and the truer state (visual, auditory, etc). I just did an experiment on Lordreed with "purtanism" which isn't anything that we agreed is named so. It proves that a collection of subjectives needs to make an "aproval" and "acceptance" for anything to be objective Now, when we perceive colors, visually we are not seeing the entirety of the color spectrum (thanks to the limits of our visual range), but to move on with life, we simply accept that the range of green our eyes see is the objective green. This buttress my initial hypothesis that " objectivity is merely an agreement to accept that objectivity" (though not true). So objectivity relies on the subjective which often isn't perfect as in the case of zooming into a spider to see it eyes as earlier attached. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 1:13pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:Without eyes, there will be no light or darkness and the spectrum of colors. Without eyes, sun will not be light. Without eardrums there will no sound. You are mixing Eckankar tales with science, I'd advise you do your research beyond Eckankar and go to the East where it was taken from. What's the origin of "Aum", it's better you listen to it than shout it, guess they didn't teach you that. You need your 5 SENSES to perceive Reality, this is reality, there's no other one. 1 Like
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Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 1:17pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
triplechoice: Were not arguing existence, were talking of objectivity. Objectivity as defined talks about being true regardless of the subjective. My argument is: if so, nothing is objective because as far as a human is concerned, he must use his senses (relative to it's well being, worldview etc) to perceive the so-called objective. This leaves us with no generally exact result of perception and experiencing but an agreement to label something as objective. This is what we did with legal tenders. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 1:18pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Maynman: Lol, it comes and goes at will ni? |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 1:20pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:You're in prison and you THINK you are free. Your one answer will lead to thousands of other questions, vicious circle of a fool |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 1:20pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
Maynman: Interesting. Have you heard about the eyes not actually what is used to 'see'? |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 1:21pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:A blind man has not seen darkness and light before, and no matter the symbols and concept you use, he will never understand it, you know why? He is missing an Organ. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 1:22pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy:What sees if not eyes? Saying "my eyes are seeing" is waste of words. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by LordReed(m): 2:33pm On Oct 21, 2023 |
chieveboy poft 99ooo6oIst=126532678: Yeah whatever purtanism is, if it exists then its existence is objective. We can say this about anything we are yet to discover. It's not the gotcha you think it is. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by orisa37: 8:30am On Oct 22, 2023 |
NO. GOD CREATED US SELFISH THAT WE MAY SEEK HIM AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS THROUGH CHRIST JESUS. |
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