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SIRTee15:
What language did Jesus use when communicating to the Roman centurion he healed his servant.

There is a problem in the gospel account itself 😂
Luke 7 that mentions this story, never showed us where Jesus and the centurion talked to each other.

Even the Matthew account didn't directly say they had a conversation.

Cc lordreed.

SIRTee15:
What language did Jesus use when communicating to the Roman centurion he healed his servant.

Lordreed, no vex sey I dey tag you too much oo, is there any recorded history of Roman Officers in Galilee especially in a village, Capernaum prior to 44AD.

SIRTee15:
What's circumstantial evidence.
If I find your finger print in a murder scene. What kind of evidence is that? Is it admissible in court as evidence.

Continue hiding behind one finger.

Still on this matter, let me ask you another question.

What language did Jesus use when communicating to the Roman centurion he healed his servant.

Many Scholars said the Roman Centurion used the Jews to speak to Jesus christ. I think there's a parallel account that says so
Nevertheless, none can say he never spoke Greek

Mark 7:24-30
24And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid. 25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs.
29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
30 And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.

Aemmyjah:
Nevertheless, none can say he never spoke Greek

Mark 7:24-30
24And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid. 25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet:
26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children’s crumbs.
29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.
30 And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.

You came late, he already used this tactics.

SIRTee15:
What's circumstantial evidence.
If I find your finger print in a murder scene. What kind of evidence is that? Is it admissible in court as evidence.

Continue hiding behind one finger.

Still on this matter, let me ask you another question.

What language did Jesus use when communicating to the Roman centurion he healed his servant.

1. The Bible doesn't state that it was a ROMAN centurion, we can infer that but it doesn't state it categorically.

2. The passage in Luke states that Jesus didn't speak with the centurion directly but through "elders of the Jews", who we will presume spoke Aramaic, the language of the region.

SIRTee15:
Back on Daniel.
When was the book of Daniel tagged pseudepigrapha. What century did scholars started saying it wasn't written by Daniel.
Who was the authorship of book of Daniel attributed to during the early church fathers period?

I don't know what century it was tagged pseudepigrapha or when scholars started saying it wasn't written by Daniel. I would suppose that the early church fathers attributed it to Daniel.

LordReed:
I don't know what century it was tagged pseudepigrapha or when scholars started saying it wasn't written by Daniel. I would suppose that the early church fathers attributed it to Daniel.

The authorship of Daniel wasnt challenged until 19th century by scholars.
Book of Daniel wasnt regarded as part of the inter testament books by the Jews or any scholars until the 19th century.

At least try and read what's written here. It's takes effort from our busy lives to write and update here.
How can u say the church fathers were the ones that named the book of Daniel when even Jesus quoted from the book. Septuagint that existed 200 yrs b4 any church fathers had the book of Daniel.

If I say we should end it now u will inhale your laffing gas and then bwaaaaahhh

SIRTee15:
The authorship of Daniel wasnt challenged until 19th century by scholars.
Book of Daniel wasnt regarded as part of the inter testament books by the Jews or any scholars until the 19th century.

When did Daniel live?
When was the book dated?

This is common sense na, it's like saying Moses wrote the Torah.

SIRTee15:
The authorship of Daniel wasnt challenged until 19th century by scholars.
Book of Daniel wasnt regarded as part of the inter testament books by the Jews or any scholars until the 19th century.

When you drop details
They ask stupid questions

If you say 1 plus 1 is 2
They won't acknowledge
They will ask you what is 1 and what is 2?
Leave ignorance for ignorant people

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Aemmyjah:
When you drop details
They ask stupid questions

If you say 1 plus 1 is 2
They won't acknowledge
They will ask you what is 1 and what is 2?
Leave ignorance for ignorant people

Atheist are funny people. They live in this delusion that Christians can't think and won't be able to challenge their nonsense ideology. They think they know enough theology to conclude there's no God and scripture is wrong.

Unfortunately , they don't do enough research to test their claims. That's why when they meet knowledgeable Christians, they really struggle. All of them.

SIRTee15:
Unfortunately , they don't do enough research to test their claims. That's why when they meet knowledgeable Christians, they really struggle. All of them.

Catholic LapDog calling himself Christian Chrestian

SIRTee15:
The authorship of Daniel wasnt challenged until 19th century by scholars.
Book of Daniel wasnt regarded as part of the inter testament books by the Jews or any scholars until the 19th century.

That may be but the crux of the matter is the canons are all curated by men using criteria that fit their biases. The canon does not indicate any kind of infallibility.

SIRTee15:
Atheist are funny people. They live in this delusion that Christians can't think and won't be able to challenge their nonsense ideology. They think they know enough theology to conclude there's no God and scripture is wrong.

Unfortunately , they don't do enough research to test their claims. That's why when they meet knowledgeable Christians, they really struggle. All of them.

You are the one's who think we are unable to challenge your claims which is why you will always claim to have some special kind of knowledge aka divine revelation or wisdom, when in fact you are not any kind of special and neither is your Christian Bible.

Maynman:
Lordreed, no vex sey I dey tag you too much oo, is there any recorded history of Roman Officers in Galilee especially in a village, Capernaum prior to 44AD.

No wahala man. I like how you dig out information.

LordReed:
No wahala man. I like how you dig out information.

Thank you bro.

LordReed:
1. The Bible doesn't state that it was a ROMAN centurion, we can infer that but it doesn't state it categorically.

2. The passage in Luke states that Jesus didn't speak with the centurion directly but through "elders of the Jews", who we will presume spoke Aramaic, the language of the region.

1.Maybe u need to check for the meaning of centurion. There's no Greek centurion or Jewish centurion. A centurion is always a Roman official.

2. Two disciples of Jesus who were with him in Capernaum and witness to the event confirmed and wrote that Jesus spoke to the centurion.
They are Mathew and John and they gave their account in the respective gospels they wrote.
They both wrote Jesus had a conversation with the centurion.

LordReed:
1. The Bible doesn't state that it was a ROMAN centurion, we can infer that but it doesn't state it categorically.

2. The passage in Luke states that Jesus didn't speak with the centurion directly but through "elders of the Jews", who we will presume spoke Aramaic, the language of the region.

Now still on Greek language.

Why was the syrophoenician woman called Greek in the gospel of Mark.
The woman is not a Greek by ethnicity but a Canaanite from the area of Tyre and Sidon.
That makes her a gentile anyway. But why was she referred to as being Greek if she wasn't a native of Greece.

LordReed:
That may be but the crux of the matter is the canons are all curated by men using criteria that fit their biases. The canon does not indicate any kind of infallibility.

Above is your opinion not based on any factual evidence.

The debate on the book of daniels and gospel of Peter proves that.

Thank u.

SIRTee15:
The authorship of Daniel wasnt challenged until 19th century by scholars.
Book of Daniel wasnt regarded as part of the inter testament books by the Jews or any scholars until the 19th century.

At least try and read what's written here. It's takes effort from our busy lives to write and update here.
How can u say the church fathers were the ones that named the book of Daniel when even Jesus quoted from the book. Septuagint that existed 200 yrs b4 any church fathers had the book of Daniel.

If I say we should end it now u will inhale your laffing gas and then bwaaaaahhh

Dude why do you keep saying I said things I never did. So basically you've been arguing against a strawman of your own making.

Since you missed it entirely the point of the argument is the canonisation of those books was done by criteria selected by men which showed their biases and not any kind of infallibility.

SIRTee15:
Above is your opinion not based on any factual evidence.

The debate on the book of daniels and gospel of Peter proves that.

Thank u.

Quite the opposite and even your strain of argument proves it. You pressed assiduously that the church fathers simply accepted the book of Daniel and even elevated it to be among the prophets contrary to the canon they got it from. Of course they couldn't verify it beyond what they met as canon and tradition but that is exactly the point, it was their knowledge and biases that drove the process not any kind of infallibility.

SIRTee15:
Now still on Greek language.

Why was the syrophoenician woman called Greek in the gospel of Mark.
The woman is not a Greek by ethnicity but a Canaanite from the area of Tyre and Sidon.
That makes her a gentile anyway. But why was she referred to as being Greek if she wasn't a native of Greece.

Maynman already pointed out why she would have been called that. It is quite possible that she could also converse in Aramaic so again this is not categorically saying the conversation was in Greek.

SIRTee15:
1.Maybe u need to check for the meaning of centurion. There's no Greek centurion or Jewish centurion. A centurion is always a Roman official.

2. Two disciples of Jesus who were with him in Capernaum and witness to the event confirmed and wrote that Jesus spoke to the centurion.
They are Mathew and John and they gave their account in the respective gospels they wrote.
They both wrote Jesus had a conversation with the centurion.

So the author of Luke was lying or in error?

SIRTee15:
Two disciples of Jesus who were with him in Capernaum and witness to the event confirmed and wrote that Jesus spoke to the centurion.

Only the discple whom Jesus loved wrote something, none of the disciples did.
John 21:24.

SIRTee15:
That makes her a gentile anyway. But why was she referred to as being Greek if she wasn't a native of Greece.

She was never refer to as "Greek", maybe that was translated to your various bible VERSIONS.
Some bible VERSIONS are already correcting it.

I repeat, what's "Greek" in Hebrew?

SIRTee15:
1.Maybe u need to check for the meaning of centurion. There's no Greek centurion or Jewish centurion. A centurion is always a Roman official.

For further references on "hekatontarchos"
https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100033988

SIRTee15:
1.Maybe u need to check for the meaning of centurion. There's no Greek centurion or Jewish centurion. A centurion is always a Roman official.

A roman Centurion in a village called Capernaum with less than 2000 people that speaks nothing but Aramaic.😂
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galilee

LordReed:
Maynman already pointed out why she would have been called that. It is quite possible that she could also converse in Aramaic so again this is not categorically saying the conversation was in Greek.

He didn't answer the question. He answered the question he set for himself not mine.
The bible made it clear she wasn't a native of Greece so I don't understand his numerous screenshots which are irrelevant to the fact.

The issue here is not whether she spoke Greek or Aramaic.
Why was a gentile woman called Greek? That's my question.
It's a testament to the widespread Hellenised culture and influence in other non greek culture of those days.

SIRTee15:
Why was a gentile woman called Greek?

Which bible VERSION was she refer to as Greek?

What's 'Greek' called in Hebrew?

LordReed:
Maynman already pointed out why she would have been called that. It is quite possible that she could also converse in Aramaic so again this is not categorically saying the conversation was in Greek.

Still on Greek language.

When Pontus Pilate ordered Jesus to be crucified. He had an inscription written above his head 'king of the Jews'
According to john, this was written in Latin, Aramaic and Greek.
Why the Greek language? Who are the target audience the Greek inscription meant for in a Palestinian province?
Latin is understandable since it's the language of Roman authority but why Greek?
Why would Pontus Pilate, a Roman governor order the inscription written in Greek amongst Jewish population?

Finally, when Pontus pilate spoke to Jesus; what was the language of communication?

SIRTee15:
Why would Pontus Pilate, a Roman governor order the inscription written in Greek amongst Jewish population?

Why was it written in Aramaic in the first place?

John 19:20
Many of the Jews read this sign, for the place where Jesus was crucified was near the city, and the sign was written in Aramaic, Latin and Greek.

Which known language did "many of the Jews" read it?

Are you intentionally being dumb?