SIRTee15:




Per second per second mention typist on nairaland. No life, no job, no purpose. All he does is look for who's next mention.

LordReed:
SIRTee15
Saw this and thought about you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-Ucq5QrAc?si=7OpGX3a7f6xldIxz

Maynman:

Bro, what do you think about Emanations different from Creation?

LordReed:


I dunno what that is. Anything to explain it?

LordReed:
SIRTee15
Saw this and thought about you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-Ucq5QrAc?si=7OpGX3a7f6xldIxz

God2man2again:
The acronyms are:
B- Basic
I- Instructions
B- Before
L- Leaving
E- Earth


The Bible came into existence through inspiration, revelation, illumination, audible voice, angels, prophets, visions, dreams and still small voice from God Almighty and nature..

About 40 different authors wrote the Bible of 66 books in different locations over a period of more than one thousand years.

Some of these authors never saw the writings of one another yet there is a wonderful unity, agreement and conformity with their writings.

How can you preserve a book for more than 1,000 years?
It can only be God.
God has hands in it.
Till tomorrow, the Bible is still under attacks, scrutiny, twisting, misapplication and misinterpreted.
They sought in vain to destroy the Bible but it stood like an unmovable Rock

The Bible is good for the soul. It nourishes, encourages, heals, transforms and fits the soul as key to a lock.

The Bible has power. The power to destroy the deception of the wicked old man, the devil.
Quote the Bible and see how the wicked will flee.

The Bible is a spirit. It gives life to people.

A world without Bible is like a Sodom and Gomorrah, ready for destruction.

( To be continued)

LordReed:
SIRTee15
Saw this and thought about you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du-Ucq5QrAc?si=7OpGX3a7f6xldIxz

SIRTee15:


More on objections raised in the video.


One of the most common objections to the authorship of the gospels is that they don’t include their names.
It's quite a common practice in ancient literary world for writers not to sign their works.
The popular book, the Republic of Plato [/i]was anonymous but correctly attributed to Plato.
Julius Caesar also did not sign his works and sometimes writes in 3rd person. Caesar's writings, including his commentaries on the Gallic and Civil Wars, were presented in the third person and did not include a personal signature.

It was not uncommon for individuals to sign their literary or political works with their names.
The works of prominent figures in ancient Rome and Greece were often attributed to them by later scholars based on style, content, or other considerations rather than being explicitly signed by the authors themselves.
To discredit the gospels for being anonymous is to be disingenuous and crafty in thinking.

Besides we don’t have the original scrolls that the gospel authors wrote on, they very well could have signed it off informally and this wasn't copied on further scripts. A letter like Luke, addressed to a certain person, was unlikely to have originally been written anonymously.

The video also argued that since Matthew’s gospel refers to Matthew in the third person he couldn’t have been the author.
As shown earlier with Julius Caesar, it was common in writings at that time to refer to yourself in the third person when you weren’t the primary focus.
Another example of this is Josephus who depicted himself as 3rd person in some of his works.

[i] He who had the first lot laid his neck bare to him that had the next, as supposing that the general would die among them immediately; for they thought death, if Josephus might but die with them, was sweeter than life; yet was he with another left to the last, whether we must say it happened so by chance, or whether by the providence of God.

Josephus, Jewish Wars 3.8.7

The video made a ridiculous statement that Matthew couldn’t have written Matthew’s gospel because he was an illiterate.
Matthew worked as a tax collector for the Roman government not the Jewish officials. He will need to communicate both verbally and written in greek to enable him function in his role otherwise he will be replaced.
And as shown in my previous thread. Some of jesus disciples had greek names and spoke greek.
It's just obstinacy in display to insist all Jesus disciples are illiterate.

As for John, I don't understand the guy's problem with a secretary. Even learned Paul sometimes use secretaries to write his epistles, and Peter equally confirmed he used secretaries to write his letters in 1st Peter.
LordReed unfortunately all what the guy has done is just compile well known anti gospel repetitive scripts and present it as of he has discovered something new.
It's the same bori g thrash as usual.

SIRTee15:

As for John, I don't understand the guy's problem with a secretary. Even learned Paul sometimes use secretaries to write his epistles, and Peter equally confirmed he used secretaries to write his letters in 1st Peter.
LordReed unfortunately all what the guy has done is just compile well known anti gospel repetitive scripts and present it as of he has discovered something new.
It's the same bori g thrash as usual.

SIRTee15:


More on objections raised in the video.


One of the most common objections to the authorship of the gospels is that they don’t include their names.
It's quite a common practice in ancient literary world for writers not to sign their works.
The popular book, the Republic of Plato was anonymous but correctly attributed to Plato.
Julius Caesar also did not sign his works and sometimes writes in 3rd person. Caesar's writings, including his commentaries on the Gallic and Civil Wars, were presented in the third person and did not include a personal signature.

It was not uncommon for individuals not to sign their literary or political works with their names.
The works of prominent figures in ancient Rome and Greece were often attributed to them by later scholars based on style, content, or other considerations rather than being explicitly signed by the authors themselves.
To discredit the gospels for being anonymous is to be disingenuous and crafty in thinking.

Besides we don’t have the original scrolls that the gospel authors wrote on, they very well could have signed it off informally and this wasn't copied on further scripts. A letter like Luke, addressed to a certain person, was unlikely to have originally been written anonymously.

The video also argued that since Matthew’s gospel refers to Matthew in the third person he couldn’t have been the author.
As shown earlier with Julius Caesar, it was common in writings at that time to refer to yourself in the third person when you weren’t the primary focus.
Another example of this is Josephus who depicted himself as 3rd person in some of his works.

He who had the first lot laid his neck bare to him that had the next, as supposing that the general would die among them immediately; for they thought death, if Josephus might but die with them, was sweeter than life; yet was he with another left to the last, whether we must say it happened so by chance, or whether by the providence of God.

Josephus, Jewish Wars 3.8.7

The video made a ridiculous statement that Matthew couldn’t have written Matthew’s gospel because he was an illiterate.
Matthew worked as a tax collector for the Roman government not the Jewish officials. He will need to communicate both verbally and written in greek to enable him function in his role otherwise he will be replaced.
And as shown in my previous thread. Some of jesus disciples had greek names and spoke greek.
It's just obstinacy in display to insist all Jesus disciples are illiterate.

As for John, I don't understand the guy's problem with a secretary. Even learned Paul sometimes use secretaries to write his epistles, and Peter equally confirmed he used secretaries to write his letters in 1st Peter.
LordReed unfortunately all what the guy has done is just compile well known anti gospel repetitive scripts and present it as of he has discovered something new.
It's the same bori g thrash as usual.

SIRTee15:
?
Who wrote the John 1, John 2, John 3?
Who wrote the acts of apostles?

SIRTee15:
What other works were authored by gospel writers?

SIRTee15:


Same anti biblical claim with deliberate distortion of facts. He clearly avoided evidence that will nail his argument dead.
I already discussed here most of the claim the video raised. I can't be repeating myself all the time.
What I can do is this..bring up any of the claims in the video u find interesting or curious and we will debate it.
Good thing about the video is that it admitted the synoptic gospels were written in the 1st century AD. Most atheist dispute this claim.

Let me give u a bonus.
The video claim the first time the gospels were attributed to the acclaimed authors was 185AD
Well the first new testament compilation- Muratorian cannon was written around 175 to 180 AD and confirmed the 4 gospels.
The guy also conveniently left out father Iranaeus contribution to authorship of the gospels in his book against heresy written in 180 AD.

SIRTee15:
What other works were authored by gospel writers?
Who wrote the John 1, John 2, John 3?
Who wrote the acts of apostles?

LordReed u see why I hate talking to some people here. Their fingers types faster than the neurons in their brain.
If I ignore him now people will say he's making point, not knowing h[b]e's just a nuisance[/b]. Without me, he can't breath.

SIRTee15:


The Muratorian cannon also affirmed the authorship of 1 John to be John the apostle.




https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Muratorian_fragment

SIRTee15:
What did the early church fathers say about the Johannine works.
There was no doubt about the authorship of 1 John amongst the church fathers. John the apostle wrote it.
Even until 19th century, the general acceptance among scholars was the gospel of John and 1 John was written by same author.

At the end of the 19th century scholar Ernest DeWitt Burton wrote that there could be "no reasonable doubt" that 1 John and the gospel were written by the same author due to similarity in content, language and conceptual style

The Muratorian cannon also affirmed the authorship of 1 John to be John the apostle.




https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Muratorian_fragment

SIRTee15:

Even until 19th century, the general acceptance among scholars was the gospel of John and 1 John was written by same author.

Maynman:

Please look it up when you are free.

LordReed:


I find that most attempts at spiritual explanations for phenomenon sound like pretentious bullcrap. I think the way the universe is provides sufficient awe inspiration without trying to layer some other spiritual explanations unto it. Emanations are no different, just some people trying to sound like they have insight they can't possibly have since evidence for what they are saying cannot be produced.

LordReed:


Do you mind if I post your objections into the comments section or will you do it yourself?

SIRTee15:


My objection or his objection? Anyway feel free to post it here.
However pls look at my 2nd mention to u, I already explained some of the objections the video raised.

Maynmann:

😂😂.
For me spiritual means spirited, so I'm also not into the Nollywood spiritual.

The point I was trying to pass with emanation is, existence always is, there is no beginning nor end. Nothing can be created but can only be made.
I just wanted you to see the difference between religion.

LordReed:


Oh sure I understand that. I think you can be 'spiritual' without being pretentious because it's all about a recognition of the complexity of the universe especially the recognition of the complexity of the inner universe.

LordReed:


Yeah I want to post them in the comments section of the video.

SIRTee15:


Oh I didn't know that's what u meant. Feel free to do so.

LordReed:


The video author responded.

SIRTee15:


Ask him why was Mathew written in the 3rd person.
Why should he claim someone named Luke is not a gentile when Luke is derived from the latin name Lucas. Luke is not a native Hebrew name.
If he's not a gentile, then the only possible option is he's an Hellenistic Jew which means he can could speak greek. And since he's a doctor, then he should be able to write good greek.

The idea that Jesus disciples are all illiterate is ridiculous. Philip and Andrew spoke to Greeks in the book of John.

The assumption that Roman officials would employ non greek speaking Jew to work for them doesn't make much sense. So are they going to employ another person to interpret the tax calculation of Mathew from Aramaic to Greek?
Why would they employ 2 persons to do the same job.
Or are we to assume Romans officials could read aramaic? Is that the standard for colonial officers to be literate in the language of their colony? How feasible would that be since they are transferred to different colonies regularly?

And the idea that Palestinian population are greek illiterate is largely unfounded in the bible.
Pontus pilate wrote the inscription on the cross of Jesus in Aramaic, Latin and Greek. Why would he write in Greek if there are insignificant greek literate Palestinians?
Who were the target audience of the Greek inscription.

Peter is assumed to be illiterate and couldn't speak greek, but he got Silas to write the 1st Peter letter for him which means Silas translated the dictation in Greek.
Why can't the same be done for gospel of John. Except we want to assume Peter could speak greek. And if Peter could speak greek why can't John?
As u can see, the video is just a merry go round circus, garnished with personal opinion. Little or no factual evidence. Too many assumptions.