Dustbinbint:


You're not upsetting me because you're calling Jehovah a dummy. OP called him a fool, and I didn't express any resentment, or did I.
Look harder for what you're doing. I've replied to several of your posts, so examine them all.

I never said I'm upsetting you, not like I care.
The history is there for you to see, I called Yahweh, a dummy because that's what he is, there is no resentment but FACTS.

Now read, https://www.worldhistory.org/Yahweh/

Dustbinbint:


And I'm here to talk about the historicity of Jesus and of his disciples. Remember I asked you for the original topic?

I already talked about it, starting from Suetonius.
Remember?
Go check.

Maynman:

My RSV says "Joshua".
Joshua is an English name.
Jesus is a latinised name, they even had to remove I(esus) and replace with j(esus). Who is esus?

I suggested the Old KJV because it mentioned the original word the apostles used. If you refuse to check it out, look for any interlinear version of the Bible

Dustbinbint:


I suggested the Old KJV because it mentioned the original word the apostles used. If you refuse to check it out, look for any interlinear version of the Bible

The King James is just a VERSION like the rest. (I'd advise you look up how the VERSION was created)
The new testament was written in Greek, Jesus or Joshua will be called lesous in it.

Since you've checked it out from interlinear version, why did you "refuse" to post it?

musicwriter:


Oh! You're a witness?

I attended Jehovah's witnesses church in my village as a kid, and even after leaving Christianity, I can admittedly say that you people have a good philosophy if only you can remove the Jesus mythology.

You don't need Jesus to know God or to be a good person. China and Japan are among the least corrupt countries in the world. They did it without Jesus.

Jesus is the God of slaves, God of defeated people. Were your ancestors conquered by another culture? That's why you believe in Jesus.

I like the way you reason, my good man.

It's nice to know, you're still preaching the gospel. Lol. Keep it up. 👌

Dustbinbint:


Ah! So it's the things he did and the things he allowed?

We can take the “crimes” one after the other. Mention one of them.

If you're really interested, there's a book: Drunk with blood- by Steve Wells. It documents God's crimes in the bible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VN8xXYDPnk

Dustbinbint:


Islam claims that its founder Mohammad was an offspring of Ishmael. If that's the case, Jehovah told Abraham that his offspring would come through Isaac and not through Ishmael. (Genesis 21:10-12) Paul reported that this drama where Sarah sent Ishmael away represented how God reserves his favour not for those he is casting away but for the true offspring, the congregation of Jesus.—Galatians 3:16, 29; 4:28-31.

Also, Abraham's real offspring through Isaac prophesied that Christianity would be restored, not replaced, in the time of the end.

For these reasons, I do not believe that Islam replaced either Judaism or Christianity.

SO did Jesus come through Isaac?

you know that genealogy is only transferred through the father..

so who was Jesus father?

musicwriter:


Oh! You're a witness?

I attended Jehovah's witnesses church in my village as a kid, and even after leaving Christianity, I can admittedly say that you people have a good philosophy if only you can remove the Jesus mythology.

You don't need Jesus to know God or to be a good person. China and Japan are among the least corrupt countries in the world. They did it without Jesus.

Jesus is the God of slaves, God of defeated people. Were your ancestors conquered by another culture? That's why you believe in Jesus.

you would have a hard time convincing him about that group..
.I have hammered it into his thick skull that the membership of a group is not a prerequisite to be a good person and that he does not need Jesus for that but it always looks like am talking to a dummy..

it is about following laws for us to leave in peace...

he will never understand..

musicwriter:


Oh! You're a witness?

I attended Jehovah's witnesses church in my village as a kid, and even after leaving Christianity, I can admittedly say that you people have a good philosophy if only you can remove the Jesus mythology.

You don't need Jesus to know God or to be a good person. China and Japan are among the least corrupt countries in the world. They did it without Jesus.

Jesus is the God of slaves, God of defeated people. Were your ancestors conquered by another culture? That's why you believe in Jesus.

So have those people been able to relate with their fellow humans around the globe without using weapons against one another?

Ọmọ Jesus didn't come for people to be isolated from their neighbours in other countries he came to unite people throughout the earth just as Jehovah's Witnesses are doing globally in fulfilment of the prophecy written before his coming! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

musicwriter:


If you're really interested, there's a book: Drunk with blood- by Steve Wells. It documents God's crimes in the bible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VN8xXYDPnk

I was typing a reply, and it all got deleted. I will type it again later

MaxInDHouse:


So have those people been able to relate with their fellow humans around the globe without using weapons against one another?

Ọmọ Jesus didn't come for people to be isolated from their neighbours in other countries he came to unite people throughout the earth just as Jehovah's Witnesses are doing globally in fulfilment of the prophecy written before his coming! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

That's what those who have enslaved your mind told you. But it's not true.

If China conquered the world like Europeans, they'll make the same claim about their son of God Confucius.

22jumpstreet1:

you would have a hard time convincing him about that group..
.I have hammered it into his thick skull that the membership of a group is not a prerequisite to be a good person and that he does not need Jesus for that but it always looks like am talking to a dummy..
it is about following laws for us to leave in peace...
he will never understand..

Just present an organization of people living in peace without the use of weapons and the law they're using that's all i need from you to know that Jesus in not needed!

musicwriter:

That's what those who have enslaved your mind told you. But it's not true. If China conquered the world like Europeans, they'll make the same claim about their son of God Confucius.

Jesus conquered with the words of his mouth and his captives have become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers never using weapons to resolve disputes again.
Tell me the country that has achieved that!

22jumpstreet1:


SO did Jesus come through Isaac?

you know that genealogy is only transferred through the father..

so who was Jesus father?

Isaac was the father of Jacob, from whom the nation of Israel sprung. So all in the nation of Israel who weren't from mixed marriages were from Isaac—including and especially Jesus.

In the flesh, he was born from Mary who was herself a descendant of Isaac. He had no man who begot him. Instead, Mary's egg cell had Jesus’ life in DNA form put into it directly, not by the transportation of a sperm cell from a man.

So, Joseph was his father by adoption.

Dustbinbint:


Isaac was the father of Jacob, from whom the nation of Israel sprung. So all the nation of Israel were from Isaac—including and especially Jesus.

In the flesh, he was born from Mary who was herself a descendant of Isaac. He had no literal father, Mary's egg cell had Jesus’ life in DNA form put into it directly, not by the transportation of a sperm cell from a man.

you do know all these falls under mythology..

as it is not possibble....in real life.

just like the birth of Perseus in clash of the titans or Hercules ...etc...all myth..

and moreover the Jews do not have the idea of spirit mating with human in their religion, it is actually a Greco-Roman idea...

MaxInDHouse:


Just present an organization of people living in peace without the use of weapons and the law they're using that's all i need from you to know that Jesus in not needed!

forget about being a member of a confraternity...

just be a loner obeying the divine laws..

you see all what they have been saying about JW...ALL these while...even if you have a good heart, but because you mention that you belong to them, they group you among them...

just obey Gods divine laws as contained in the Torah.

musicwriter:


If you're really interested, there's a book: Drunk with blood- by Steve Wells. It documents God's crimes in the bible.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VN8xXYDPnk

I won't read the book because I have extensively researched the bases for my beliefs. Now, I have given myself wholly into it because I am fully convinced it is true. So, I don't give much attention to those materials saying otherwise. In my experience, it is still a repetition of the same things I have examined.

But from the title I can sense that it's about the killings of the Canaanites that God commanded.
If I am right, my comprehensive reply to this will come still later.

For the meantime, though, here is a short illustration:

The owner of a program has the right to destroy it if it becomes corrupted by a virus, or if it has accomplished the reason it was created.
People can build majestic houses just to destroy them during a movie they are acting or for other valid reason.

If these things are THEIR property, can’t they do as they deem fit to them?

22jumpstreet1:


you do know all these falls under mythology..

as it is not possibble....in real life.

just like the birth of Perseus in clash of the titans or Hercules ...etc...all myth..

and moreover the Jews do not have the idea of spirit mating with human in their religion, it is actually a Greco-Roman idea...

Mmhm, but then a spirit didn't mate with any human. God just transferred Jesus' life into Mary's womb.

If we were to dissect the sex process, a woman can get pregnant without a man mating with her, through in-vitro fertilization. Right?

The idea of angels mating with human goes father back than the Roman or even the Hellenistic times. The story, found in some form in almost all nations, is a true story that goes back to the time when angels constructed human bodies, came to the earth, and mated with women, given birth to a hybrid race called Nephilim.
After this world was destroyed during the flood, this story was perpetuated by the only surviving eyewitnesses to their children and their children's children, and so on.

22jumpstreet1:


forget about being a member of a confraternity...

just be a loner obeying the divine laws..

you see all what they have been saying about JW...ALL these while...even if you have a good heart, but because you mention that you belong to them, they group you among them...

just obey Gods divine laws as contained in the Torah.

Obedience to the divine laws can not be possible without associating together because association itself is a direction in the law.—Deuteronomy 31:12; Hebrews 10:24.

Moreover, God doesn't get things done in isolation. Looking at the way stars and galaxies and planets are organized, it is evidently that one is always a part of a bigger picture. It's even here on earth among the trees in a forest, the plants in a garden, and even the animals in a group.
There is always organization in which each member has his/her/its place and purpose and serves as a part of the whole.

22jumpstreet1:


forget about being a member of a confraternity...

just be a loner obeying the divine laws..

you see all what they have been saying about JW...ALL these while...even if you have a good heart, but because you mention that you belong to them, they group you among them...

just obey Gods divine laws as contained in the Torah.

Ọmọ your Torah is DEAD!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ your Torah is DEAD!

Dead like the god that dictated it

Maynman:

I already talked about it, starting from Suetonius.
Remember?
Go check.

Did you read what the scholars said about that account? Haven't several scholars analyzed that report and concluded that it was genuinely about Jesus? Otherwise what is it doing in an article about the historicity of Jesus?

The only issue I see here is that Christ was called Chrestus. Is that the problem?

I'm sure it is more underlying than that.

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus conquered with the words of his mouth and his captives have become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers never using weapons to resolve disputes again.
Tell me the country that has achieved that!

How did Jesus Christ become the official religion in Europe and was taken to all the countries they occupied? It was because Jesus Christ appeared in the sky with a sword in 300 AD and helped Constantine to win his civil war in Rome if not no one would have heard of Christianity today.

Maynman:

Dead like the god that dictated it

OK nah!

Dustbinbint:


Did you read what the scholars said about that account? Haven't several scholars analyzed that report and concluded that it was genuinely about Jesus? Otherwise what is it doing in an article about the historicity of Jesus?

The only issue I see here is that Christ was called Chrestus. Is that the problem?

I'm sure it is more underlying than that.

What did the scholars say about it? Which one did you read?
Please talk intelligently, sorry

MindHacker9009:

How did Jesus Christ become the official religion in Europe and was taken to all the countries they occupied? It was because Jesus Christ appeared in the sky with a sword in 300 AD and helped Constantine to win his civil war in Rome if not no one would have heard of Christianity today.

Sorry your criticism is dead on arrival!

Talk about Jehovah's Witnesses who are doing what Jesus commanded not religionists claiming they're believers but disobeying Jesus' commands.

MaxInDHouse:

OK nah!

Dead like Yahweh

Maynman:

Dead like Yahweh

OK nah!

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ your Torah is DEAD!

Torah is the way the truth and the life....whoever is lead by it can never be lost...

MaxInDHouse:

OK nah!

Ehn nah!

22jumpstreet1:


Torah is the way the truth and the life....whoever is lead by it can never be lost...

Your god created you to be led by a book he allegedly dictated to Moses?

Dustbinbint:


Obedience to the divine laws can not be possible without associating together because association itself is a direction in the law.—Deuteronomy 31:12; Hebrews 10:24.

Moreover, God doesn't get things done in isolation. Looking at the way stars and galaxies and planets are organized, it is evidently that one is always a part of a bigger picture. It's even here on earth among the trees in a forest, the plants in a garden, and even the animals in a group.
There is always organization in which each member has his/her/its place and purpose and serves as a part of the whole.

yes, just teach them to obey the laws...

the purpose is for us to live in peace...