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jaephoenix:
Another lie
Jesus made a statement claiming to be God when He said, “Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58).For example, in John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and the Father are one. The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great “I AM” of Exodus 3:14. On this occasion, too, they tried to stone Him for blasphemy. The disciples of Jesus distinctly heard Him declare His deity. After Jesus’ resurrection, Thomas the doubting disciple finally understood Jesus’ deity, declaring Him to be “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28). If Jesus were not Lord and God, He would have corrected Thomas, but He did not; Thomas spoke the truth. This can only mean that Jesus is God. Even God the Father referred to Jesus as God: “About the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever’” (Hebrews 1:8, quoting Psalm 45:6).

Try and be reading this your Holy Babble. And take Aemmyjah along with you on the reading sessions. I'm tired of myself an atheist schooling you guys on your own book

Okay

Thorrn:
Let's take this step by step because it seems you're not even aware of the scope of your argument.

Now, you claimed that everything has a creator; that NOTHING exists that has the capacity to create itself. This was your claim: yes or no?

Answer accordingly, and then we may proceed.

No!

I said that "no thing in this world created itself."

You missed the "in this world" part where all this God/No God issues are and exactly where the bible concentrated its focus.

No off point space travel!

Thorrn:
Let's take this step by step because it seems you're not even aware of the scope of your argument.

Now, you claimed that everything has a creator; that NOTHING exists that has the capacity to create itself. This was your claim: yes or no?

Answer accordingly, and then we may proceed.

No need, Thorrn. You'll be hosed with another Special Appeal fallacy, then when you argue, yet another Non Sequitor, and so on. The circular reasoning goes on and on

Veecruz:
Our creator. Not God"s Creator or Origin which clearly means that you have agreed that God is our Creator, where the argument ends.



And does this not show that you are assuming an alleging based on no proven fact that God must be created?

From what you display here, you absolutely have no idea what fallacies are and how easy it is to enter into one when you don't know them .

Dliespeaker, have you been banned again, or you still created a new moniker.
Anyway, I never agreed to being created. I'm making an assumption that there is a creator. Please tell me you understand what an assumption means.
I don't understand what the bolded means. Care to speak English?

jaephoenix:
If every religious adherent obeys what is written in their holy books, don't you think there would be chaos?

i didn't say anything about that. Do you think every non religious person should do what they feel like?

Image123:
i didn't say anything about that. Do you think every non religious person should do what they feel like?

Oh yes, you said something like that. Remember you said Christians should preach(irrespective of the circumstances) since it was from the Great Commission. And you know some preaching methods flaunt human rights. So there would be chaos.
And no, I don't feel any non-religious person should do what they feel like. So why should religious folks be exempt?

jaephoenix:
Dliespeaker, have you been banned again, or you still created a new moniker.

Evil falseaccuser, isn't it obvious that I was banned?

jaephoenix:
Anyway, I never agreed to being created. I'm making an assumption that there is a creator. Please tell me you understand what an assumption means.
I don't understand what the bolded means. Care to speak English?

See how far lost you are that you do not remember your own words
"2. Fallacies of presumption means that the argument a person makes is based on an assumption, rather than a proven fact."

And you have just confessed that you made an assumption even when it is clearly a proven fact that you did not create yourself.

jaephoenix:
Oh yes, you said something like that. Remember you said Christians should preach(irrespective of the circumstances) since it was from the Great Commission. And you know some preaching methods flaunt human rights. So there would be chaos.
And no, I don't feel any non-religious person should do what they feel like. So why should religious folks be exempt?

Nope, i didn't say every religious adherent should obey what is written in their holy books. i said "Christians do evangelism because they were commanded to." i also mentioned that, If some harasses you, that is a problem with their method, they do not need to harass you(except harass has a diferent meaning).

jaephoenix:
Another lie
Jesus made a statement claiming to be God when He said, “Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!” (John 8:58).For example, in John 10:30, Jesus said, “I and the Father are one. The Jews, upon hearing Him, clearly understood that He was claiming preexistence and, more than that, to be Yahweh, the great “I AM” of Exodus 3:14. On this occasion, too, they tried to stone Him for blasphemy. The disciples of Jesus distinctly heard Him declare His deity. After Jesus’ resurrection, Thomas the doubting disciple finally understood Jesus’ deity, declaring Him to be “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28). If Jesus were not Lord and God, He would have corrected Thomas, but He did not; Thomas spoke the truth. This can only mean that Jesus is God. Even God the Father referred to Jesus as God: “About the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever’” (Hebrews 1:8, quoting Psalm 45:6).

Try and be reading this your Holy Babble. And take Aemmyjah along with you on the reading sessions. I'm tired of myself an atheist schooling you guys on your own book

Trying to make sense of a book you disregard and call it a myth, a fraud, a fabrication
Are you well?

jaephoenix:
1. There you go dvllard. Your babble says so. So I'm not surprised you agree
2. <crickets>
3. Not directly. If you say your own god did the job and not their god, you've already countered them, dvmmy
4. FACT. <LOUD CRICKETS>

You said the Bible mentions that earth is flat
You show no evidence.

Keep lying
Atleast, i have shown you that Bible agrees with scientific facts

jaephoenix:
No quotation of Jesus Christ was gotten when he was supposedly alive. In fact, Jesus Christ isn't even a Jewish name. The English name Jesus, from Greek Iēsous, is a rendering of Joshua (Hebrew Yehoshua, later Yeshua). So obviously he's mythical

What of Buddha and Muhammad?

jaephoenix:
Breathing is involuntary.
So what is your reason of living? To talk rubbish on Nairaland?

True, it is involuntary
The process involved in breathing is very complex that no human can replicate
Wonderful design

jaephoenix:
What do you mean by the bolded?

I honestly don't know how to describe it
It's a traditional thing I been seeing done to every infant (based on personal experience)
Is it called infant massage¿
They say it is to straighten the bones of the child. They massage, twist the legs, back, hands, neck
I don't know the name tho

jaephoenix:
So there are 'false evidence' and 'true evidence'? Lol 😆
Interesting…

Lies and fact

Like abiogenesis and biogenesis

jaephoenix:
I realize you're clueless. But trying to be smart to hide your cluelessness, makes it even worse for you

Nothing you were taught in biology was demonstrated in a lab shey?

jaephoenix:
Are you aware some women deliver without assistance? Ever heard of precipitous labor, dvmmy?

What is the statistics ?
You said labor is easy
Now you say some women...
Can you give a percentage?

jaephoenix:
No. I saw pictures and videos of the fossils, the analytical tools and how they logically back up evolution.
So I don't need to study them.
So since you haven't studied any fossils, why do you think evolution is false?

All these are artistic fabrications joor
Did you see any interlinking fossil

jaephoenix:
Explain why those examples I listed can be changed by environment, then I reply yours

I have answered your first question that some phenotypic expressions can be influenced by the environment

jaephoenix:
1.… and the person in question has asked you to provide the evidence, which you're unable to

2. Of course, it would hurt your brain if you try to understand the analogy. Poor you

3. What's the essence of that story, even if it was true?

1. Check the OP if you are not lazy

2. Ok

3. You guys don't reason. Bible says that after the rebellion, man realized he was naked and hid his own shame... Evolutionists cannot explain why we feel such way whereas we are the only ones that wear clothes, and hide our unclothedness

jaephoenix:
1. Evolution has been proven by science.
Maybe you should cry and run to mummy. But there's nothing you can do about the hundreds of fossils studied, with the tons of genetic materials extracted from them.

2. Who is that christian GOAT scientist?

3. Science has limits. I never said it doesn't. Its you that said your Babble is infallible meanwhile it has thousands of gaffes

4. Dvmmy, are you aware there are other pacifist organizations apart from JW mol@sters, and they are even more peaceful than you lot? And what's more, they won't mol@st my kids

5. Same Babble that said we should kill all gays, disobedient children, people that work on Sundays, people that use different materials to sow garments, unbelievers etc?

6. Again, for the umpteenth time dvllard, science isn't a religious tool. Its a tool for studying nature. Look up the definition of science (if your brain allows you). It doesn't tell you how to live your life, or morals

1. Many scientists, including the non - religious ones don't accept it. Scientists don't even have a common definition for evolution and they keep modifying it

2. Ask Google. There is no GOAT scientist. The most influential scientists were religious people

3. One of the Gaffes you mentioned is where you said the Bible is flat. Your mouth spit out lies even trying to malign truth

4. We don't molest anyone. Mention any other group that is half as peaceful. I don't like the word peaceful cos it is passive. I prefer peaceable. Mention one

5. As a lover of the Bible amd one who uphold it, I have not killed anyone or even prejudiced against those you mention. Nonsense


6. That's is why I compared it to analysing a cake. Serious limitations

cornelboy:
Lol where did he say "I'm the Father"?

If a king sends his representative to a place and the rep. said to the people there that "seeing him is same as seeing the king", is that reasonable? Does that mean they are the same person?

Jesus clearly said he was sent by the father and his apostles and early church understood that.

Don't mind jaephoenix
He knows nothing
When you read or listen to the news
You hear something like 'The president said this or that'
But you did not see the president there
Someone is representing him
The Reporter did so cos everything that one said is from the President and wants the message to be passed across that way.
Imagine that during an event, when the President is to give a speech but the SA is the one standing on the podium to deliver and a journalist asks him 'Show us the president'
Jaephoenix is a mighty pretender but he keeps fooling himself
The same Jesus he calls a Roman invention is the one he's arguing on

Veecruz:
Evil falseaccuser, isn't it obvious that I was banned?



See how far lost you are that you do not remember your own words
"2. Fallacies of presumption means that the argument a person makes is based on an assumption, rather than a proven fact."

And you have just confessed that you made an assumption even when it is clearly a proven fact that you did not create yourself.

1. Even the mods, who are fellow Christians ,are angry at you at the bullshyt you post here
2. Yes I made an assumption. Do you have a problem with assumptions? Since you insist I was created, who created Yahweh? Me?

Aemmyjah:
Trying to make sense of a book you disregard and call it a myth, a fraud, a fabrication
Are you well?

Yes I'm well. You christians insist atheists don't know the babble, when in fact we know it more than you bumbling lot. So I'm just exposing your ignorance of the babble

Aemmyjah:
You said the Bible mentions that earth is flat
You show no evidence.

Keep lying
Atleast, i have shown you that Bible agrees with scientific facts

Q. I have posted the Bible passage here. If you missed it, scroll back
2. Which scientific facts did the babble agree?

Aemmyjah:
What of Buddha and Muhammad?

Ditto. Mythical figures

Aemmyjah:
True, it is involuntary
The process involved in breathing is very complex that no human can replicate
Wonderful design

No sir. The pathway and reflexes involved in breathing has been replicated severally. You breathe with your brain(which issues the command)

Aemmyjah:
I honestly don't know how to describe it
It's a traditional thing I been seeing done to every infant (based on personal experience)
Is it called infant massage¿
They say it is to straighten the bones of the child. They massage, twist the legs, back, hands, neck
I don't know the name tho

Those traditional maneuvers can actually damage a baby's spine.
Ask yourself this question. Those people that don't do those maneuvers, do they have abnormal babies? No. Babies are folded into byte sizes to fit into the uterus. Once they are out, they gradually and slowly 'stretch' out

Aemmyjah:
What is the statistics ?
You said labor is easy
Now you say some women...
Can you give a percentage?

Do you know goats give birth? Do they have midwives?

Aemmyjah:
All these are artistic fabrications joor
Did you see any interlinking fossil

What do you mean by interlinking fossils?
So those fossils were fabricated? Lol.
You guys brainwashing is high quality

Aemmyjah:
I have answered your first question that some phenotypic expressions can be influenced by the environment

Lol. You just brought up 'some' now after I exposed your ignorance

Aemmyjah:
1. Check the OP if you are not lazy

2. Ok

3. You guys don't reason. Bible says that after the rebellion, man realized he was naked and hid his own shame... Evolutionists cannot explain why we feel such way whereas we are the only ones that wear clothes, and hide our unclothedness

1. The jw link in the OP is absolutely useless.

2.

3. Humans wear clothes for diverse reasons. Climate, identification, expressing individuality etc. The clothes worn now is obviously more complex and diversified from what was worn 150,000 years ago.
Also some animals wear some kinda 'clothes'. Caddisfly larva build themselves protective armor out of pebbles, hermit crabs wear other animal's discarded underwear, and pom pom crabs use anemones. Decorator crabs stick an assortment of things on their shells, including other living invertebrates, so the crabs blend in with their backgrounds better. Elephants plaster their backs with mud or dust, perhaps to protect themselves from sunburns. Caterpillars spin cocoons around themselves, which aren’t exactly clothes, but they are made of silk. Etc etc. At the level of their cerebral developments, those are clothes. Because our own brain is much more complex, our own clothes are thus complex. If there are aliens, they may have much more complex and specialized 'clothes'

Aemmyjah:
1. Many scientists, including the non - religious ones don't accept it. Scientists don't even have a common definition for evolution and they keep modifying it

2. Ask Google. There is no GOAT scientist. The most influential scientists were religious people

3. One of the Gaffes you mentioned is where you said the Bible is flat. Your mouth spit out lies even trying to malign truth

4. We don't molest anyone. Mention any other group that is half as peaceful. I don't like the word peaceful cos it is passive. I prefer peaceable. Mention one

5. As a lover of the Bible amd one who uphold it, I have not killed anyone or even prejudiced against those you mention. Nonsense


6. That's is why I compared it to analysing a cake. Serious limitations

1. I have shown you links that 97-99% of scientists are pro-evolution, yet you keep on babbling about 'many scientists oppose evolution'. If I ask you for evidence, you'll send me on a wild goose chase.
I have defined evolution here on this thread 3 times. But just to show you that you're dense, lemme define it one one time, this time, from a scientific site
evolution is change in the properties of groups of organisms over the course of generations…it embraces everything from slight changes in the proportions of different forms of a gene within a population to the alterations that led from the earliest organism to dinosaurs, bees, oaks, and humans

And no, scientists don't change the definition. You pulled this lie out of your lie bag. Show me the different definitions of evolution or forever shut your latrine.

2. Check google. You're sending me on another wild goose chase, right?
In case you are too daft to know what GOAT is, it means Greatest Of All Times. So I said where is the GOAT scientist you You talked about that is a Christian. Who are the most influential scientists that are Christians? I need names, not 'Check Google' . In this thread I always look for my evidence. Haven't told you to look for my evidence.

3. Ogbeni, stop lying.
Isaiah 40:22 New American Standard Bible - NASB 1995 (NASB1995) It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Is circle the same as sphere?

4. You have started your lies again. Do you want me to provide the screenshot where your own jw.org was talking about your mol@stations?
By the way, there are pacifist organizations and religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anti-war_organizations

5. I didn't ask you what you do. I told you what your Holy Babble said

6. Does you babble create atoms or heal sickness? Does it create phones? So why are you comparing apples to oranges?