idrisaleo1:


Your god is a useless god if he will punish me for the character of my parents, without even giving me the chance to prove myself worthy. Christianity is a religion against commonsense. There's no way you guys decide to rinse it, it will always smell of foolishness.

For Christianity, "Every child was born a sinner". Thus, they will rot in hell for just being born
Like, really?

If I was born a Christian, I would probably look for God elsewhere because your god is just delusional for sending to hell a soul that understands not what it's doing. Jesus is god. Jesus learnt about god (himself) as a child. Jesus is the son of Mary. God impregnated Mary or in your words, begot Jesus. Illogical belief.

True. Some of what you said is indeed absurd and illogical, because the Bible doesn't really teach them.

However, God doesn't punish a child for the error of their parents exactly. Notice the expression “in the case of those hating me,” showing that a measure of personal accountability is involved.

If one chooses to hate Jehovah, to disobey his laws, just as his evil forebears did, then the punishment meted on his forefathers will be carried out also on him. If, on the other hand, he chooses to love God and pursue him, the favor extended to his righteous forefathers will be granted also to him.
They will only be viewed through the lens of their parents’ character if they are too young to know right and wrong; that is because, as you also likely know, chances are they will turn out like their parents, for two reasons: • nature (children inherit some personality traits from parents) and • nurture (children will naturally want to imitate their parents, and parents will naturally teach their children to be like them)

There is no heaven

Shantyken:


Make una read math 19:14

In some respects, Christians are called to be like children (humility, willingness to learn, impartiality)
In other respects, Christians are urged not to be like children (gullibility as in Ephesians 4:14, etc)

maasoap:

Couple of days ago, a psychiatrist said that many Nigerians are mentally ill, it won't be out of place to consider you of them.

Of course many Nigerian are mentally ill, just as many Nigerians are physically ill. The same is true in many nations in the world.

Whoever is dealing with extreme and intense bouts of sadness, thoughts of suicide, are mentally ill.


I don't know why mental illness is viewed so negatively. That's why more and more people are committing suicide on a daily basis.

I am not mentally ill, nor am I physically ill. I am healthy both in mind and in body.

[quote author=Zooposki post=127169619...[/quote] Whoever put that together did so from a point of ignorance of Scripture though.

Janosky:
Emusan LYING WAILER "blessed" with poor comprehension skills.

JaNosense! The master of delusional

The points that Watchtower link discussed about, have nothing to worry your FALSE claims on this forum.

Which false claims did I make?

Let's start from there.

There is difference between unborn foetus & an infant.

But both are already HUMAN!

Can you see that you're the real wailier and lying liar hallgoer miscreant like your father the Devil?

The Bible does not say anything about resurrection of the unborn (foetus) that died in the womb or by miscarriage.

The link proves that the unborn are ALREADY HUMAN.

As regards this thread, heaven is not a home for dead infants and toddlers, but the grave.

But it's a home for your gods

However,JEHOVAH will raise to life the dead infants & toddlers born to his Servants, John 5:28 cover them.

But Watchtower claimed they don't KNOW.

JaNosense has lost in ONE line of thought

Bedminton:
Nobody goes to heaven except the 144000 mention in revelations....paradise is on earth, people dont read this days, do you know satan would be placed in an abyss for 1000 years.....bible is your friend, read it.

There is no Truth to this claim. As Scripture instead says that the 144000 are the first fruits of Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
1. So, you conveniently ignore God's own declaration as far as death, in the beginning when death came to all mankind as a result of one man's sin, to assert instead that stated after the context that the Nation of Israel was introduced?
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2 a. Isn't the problem here instead from the fact that you imposed a literal interpretation on information clearly presented in vision format?
b. So, you are aware that a literal interpretation is unacceptable yet you suggested it earlier for what purpose?

What was the point of referencing Revelations 20 when clearly you are aware it ought not to be interpreted literally?

3. Is it me or are you somehow not able to answer the question for even yourself? You seem to be quoting from all over scripture, ignoring context and all, and all I asked is where exactly you believe God Himself said sinners are to end up.

My point exactly, young man
When one returns to dust, he returns to a state of unconsciousness, he ceases to exist. Moreover, if there really were a hell of torment, would not God have told that to Adam?


Also, you are the one who spoke of hell and eternal damnation. What do you suppose that to mean? Granted, you said nothing about the lake of fire being literal, but since everyone usually use the lake of fire as justification for a hell of eternal damnation, I thought you interpreted that lake literally as well.
Sorry about that. It's good to know we’re on common ground in that issue of the lake of fire being symbolic.
I would rather we end on good terms, so I wish to end my reply here.

ohosi4real:
They return back to heaven without sin. Infact a child from 0-6 does not know sin.

How can they return to a place where they have never been?

Aemmyjah:
Covetous man

Can you this with evidence?

Or you take it that you're just a false accuser like your father the Devil?

Go and rest

After I torment you and your lying organisation finish.

backbone503:
■ You won't have said this if you were born to Jewish parents in Israel, Islamic parents in northern Nigeria, or Buddhist parents in China.

Jesus might be the way to God for you, be he isn't the only way to God

Jesus Christ is the only Way to His Father, God of Abraham AND Isaac AND Jacob. Which other way do you know of?

Kobojunkie:
BUT what has the inclination of man's heart to do with the committing of sin in this case? Did God establish from the beginning that He judged and condemned men by the inclination of their hearts and not their acts of disobedience against Him? If yes, where is this stated?

Because one can sin in one's thoughts. God said about humans that the thoughts of their heart are always bad all the time, and this doesn't refer only to adults.

One has to be inclined towards disobedience before committing it. The Bible says in Colossians 1:21 that we are viewed by God as enemies because of our hearts being bent towards evil.

Expanse2020:
■ Lamba. During the time of Noah and Lot those who follows Thier doctrine where would they be if there is no Kingdom before Jesus Christ

Since the beginning when God cursed man, all those wil die outside or knowing God and obtaining Eternal Life are simply recycled back into the ground from which they were made. That is what God said in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24.

Kobojunkie:
If you pay close attention to what Jesus Christ said you will note that He was speaking a prophesy of what was to come and not that which had already happened.
At the time Jesus Christ spoke those words, the guilt in question had not been established, so what Jesus Christ said was definitely not in reference to what you assume — generational sins— which is established from the point the sin was committed onwards.

2. That is the same law that God now swore by His Life would no longer hold in Israel in Ezekiel 18

God didn't say it would no longer hold. Remember that in Deuteronomy 24:16, already he had said that children won't bear error for their parents’ sins and vice versa. At that time, he didn't say that to annul what he said in Exodus 20:5 at all, neither was he annulling it in Ezekiel 18.

It isn't generational sins per se, because it only befalls those of the descendants who imitate the hateful course of their evil forefathers.

FRANELCLINIC:

■ Because one can sin in one's thoughts. God said about humans that the thoughts of their heart are always bad all the time, and this doesn't refer only to adults.
■ One has to be inclined towards disobedience before committing it. The Bible says in Colossians 1:21 that we are viewed by God as enemies because of our hearts being bent towards evil.

1. Where in Scripture is this not only stated by God but given as law to man by Him? Recall that without the Law, there is no sin meaning if it is not expressed in God's Law you have no permission from God to declare it sin against God.

2. Inclined towards obedience? That sounds like hockphooey! What God demands is not an inclinations towards but matter of factual obedience of His teachings and Law. Anything other than that is rubbish!

[quote author=Kobojunkie post=127176453][/quote]

Her YouTube channel is Open Diary. She has uncountable videos. Are you a pastor?

No, infants DO NOT go to heaven when they die. Salvation is based on the KNOWING the ONLY TRUE GOD JEHOVAH (John 17:3) and the role of Jesus plays in the fulfilment of GOD’s purpose for creating humans. This in itself makes the baptism of children unchristian because they do not know right from wrong, cannot repent from their sins and cannot dedicate their lives to serve God as Jesus did when he was baptised in the river Jordan.

The Bible promises a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous ( John 5:28,28; Acts 24:15). For babies, this hope is tied with that of their parents because during resurrection, someone has to recognise the baby they lost in death either as an infant or a baby.

FRANELCLINIC:
■God didn't say it would no longer hold. Remember that in Deuteronomy 24:16, already he had said that children won't bear error for their parents’ sins and vice versa. At that time, he didn't say that to annul what he said in Exodus 20:5 at all, neither was he annulling it in Ezekiel 18.
■ It isn't generational sins per se, because it only befalls those of the descendants who imitate the hateful course of their evil forefathers.

1. But Deuteronomy 24 vs 16 has nothing to do with Generational curses. It instead has to do with the carrying out of statutes and punishment by men.

16 “Parents must not be put to death for something their children did. And children must not be put to death for something their parents did. People should be put to death only for a bad thing that they themselves did. - Deuteronomy 24 vs 16

So, again, I ask, are you insinuating that God lied in Ezekiel 18 vs 3?

1 The word of the Lord came to me. He said,
2 “Why do you people say this proverb: ‘The parents ate the sour grapes, but the children got the sour taste’[a]?”
3 But the Lord God says, “By my life, I swear that people in Israel will not think this proverb is true anymore!
4 I will treat everyone, child and parent, just the same. The one who sins is the one who will die!
...
20 The one who sins is the one who will be put to death. A son will not be punished for his father’s sins, and a father will not be punished for his son’s sins. A good man’s goodness belongs to him alone, and a bad man’s evil belongs to him alone. - Ezekiel 18 vs 1 -4

2. Is it me or are you clueless about God's actual decree regarding generational sins in the Law of Moses?

4 So Moses made two more stone tablets like the first ones. Early the next morning Moses went up Mount Sinai, just as the Lord had commanded. Moses carried the two stone tablets with him.
5 Then the Lord came down to him in a cloud, stood there with Moses, and spoke his own name.
6 That is, the Lord passed in front of Moses and said, “Yahweh, the Lord, is a kind and merciful God. He is slow to become angry. He is full of great love. He can be trusted.
7 He shows his faithful love to thousands of people. He forgives people for the wrong things they do, but he does not forget to punish guilty people. Not only will he punish the guilty people, but their children, their grandchildren, and their great-grandchildren will also suffer for the bad things these people do.” - Exodus 34 vs 7

Zooposki:
Her YouTube channel is Open Diary. She has uncountable videos. Are you a pastor?

There are millions of ignorant folks like that out there. Christianity as a whole is a religion that thrives on ignorance of what is in fact stated in Scripture.

God forbid! I am not a pastor.

Kobojunkie:
There are millions of ignorant folks like that out there. Christianity as a whole is a religion that thrives on ignorance of what is in fact stated in Scripture.

God forbid! I am not a pastor.

I sent you those lessons cos I saw from your write up how ignorant you really were. It boggled my mind that there were still people like you that exists.

Aemmyjah:


If you say so

I SAY SO. JUST AS THEY SAY THEIR RELIGION IS THE ONLY WAY. IT IS THEIR WORD AGAINST MINE. WE CAME AND MET ALL THESE MAN MADE CONTRAPTIONS. OUT OF 8+ BILLION PEOPLE ONY 2.4 ARE CHRISTIANS AND DECLINING. IN REALITY THE BULK OF MANKIND INCLUDING THE DECEASED WERE NOT CHRISTIANS. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL . I HAVE MINE. ALL ARE JUST BELIEFS AS WE DONT KNOW. PEACE

Zooposki:
■ I sent you those lessons cos I saw from your write up how ignorant you really were. It boggled my mind that there were still people like you that exists.

At least point to exactly one ignorant statement you accuse me of making and let's visit what God in facts states in Scripture to see if I am in fact the ignorant one here.

Banhammy717:
Yes. They returned to paradise direct

returned?

brainhgeek:
Babies go to heaven Theirs' is the kingdom of heaven Mat 5:2-14
David said in II Sam 12:13 that his dead son cannot come back but he(David) will see him when he gets to heaven.
The age of consent and conscience is when we have to make a choice to go to accept. God's offer of Jesus and go to heaven or deny Him and go the other way. No man is put right with God by circumcisions of the body but of the heart.

Rubbish! Open your eyes and mind when you are reading. There is no place in Scripture where it is stated or even suggested that babies go to heaven.

thomasjoe:
■ Who created sin and why did god allow it in the first place ?
■ Can you prove to me that those who existed before Jesus and were good can't enter heaven ?
■ Where is heaven located ? (Remember Jesus said " It is within you " Pls help clarify

1. God created sin since it is His Law that defines sin for man.

2. Jesus Christ made abundantly that except a man be born-again — born of Water AND born of Spirit — He absolutely cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. So, since those who existed before Jesus Christ had no way of partaking of Jesus Christ, they cannot be in the same Heaven which Jesus Christ gave Law for. And His Law is everlasting — UNCHANGING!

3. Jesus Christ said it is within and all around... about one...lso not of this world... Let's not pretend we can limit it, please.

brainhgeek:
■ That is not true. Babies don't go to hell.
Babies go to heaven.
Theirs' is the kingdom of heaven Mat 5:2-14
■ David said in II Sam 12:13 that his dead son cannot come back but he(David) will see him when he gets to heaven. The age of consent and conscience is when we have to make a choice to go to accept. God's offer of Jesus and go to heaven or deny Him and go the other way.
No man is put right with God by circumcisions of the body but of the heart.

Of course, babies cannot go to hell since one would need to be born-again — born of water AND born of Spirit — in order to gain access into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 21 where Heaven and Hell(Eternal Damnation) are both a part of - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 36. That equally means that babies who aren't born again cannot enter into Heaven(Eternal Reward) either.

2. Where in 2 Samuel 12 do you get this conclusion of yours from?

13 Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan said to David, “The Lord will forgive you, even for this sin. You will not die.
14 But you did things that made the Lord’s enemies lose their respect for him, so your new baby son will die.” - 2 Samuel 12 vs 13 -14

Where exactly did David state that he, David, would see, the baby in Heaven?

Antoeni:
The Catholic church Teaches That
" Baptism is a Sacrament ,Which Cleans Us From Original Sin ,Makes Us Christian, Children of God & Members of.The Church "

That is ofcourse a bloody lie which is in no way connected to Scripture.

GreatAchiever1:
■ Are you saying that David will go to hell?
Babies don't go to hell when they die, the bible doesn't explicit state it but using John 9:41
Jesus said to them, “If you were blind, you would have no sin; but since you say, ‘We see,’ your sin remains.
— John 9:41
I would say since babies can't accept or reject Christ, they will go to heaven by Grace when they die.
Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.
— Ezekiel 18:4

Jesus Christ pretty much made it clear that all have to be born-again — Born of Water AND Born of Spirit— in order to enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 21 - where Jesus Christ reigns as King and Judge over both Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Therefore babies by virtue of not being born-again cannot end up in either of Heaven or Hell as proclaimed by Jesus Christ.

newnigerdelta00:
YES THEY DO

No they don't!

Watcharena:
so according to you all the people who were born and died before Jesus was born are going to hell? Explain to me in details

But Hell(Eternal Damnation) also didn't exist to man before Jesus Christ showed up offering the Kingdom of God - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Jesus Christ is literally the King of Heaven and over Hell.

Ensquare:
But topics like this makes me believe there's no heaven or hell. It will be an injustice to send a newborn baby to hell for a crime they didn't commit and there was no chance to repentance

So you don't in fact know what is written of this subject right there in scripture?

olumighty9:
They go to a place called "limbo"

.... created for them by your pope, right?