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Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by FRANELCLINIC: 3:44pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
idrisaleo1: True. Some of what you said is indeed absurd and illogical, because the Bible doesn't really teach them. However, God doesn't punish a child for the error of their parents exactly. Notice the expression “in the case of those hating me,” showing that a measure of personal accountability is involved. If one chooses to hate Jehovah, to disobey his laws, just as his evil forebears did, then the punishment meted on his forefathers will be carried out also on him. If, on the other hand, he chooses to love God and pursue him, the favor extended to his righteous forefathers will be granted also to him. They will only be viewed through the lens of their parents’ character if they are too young to know right and wrong; that is because, as you also likely know, chances are they will turn out like their parents, for two reasons: • nature (children inherit some personality traits from parents) and • nurture (children will naturally want to imitate their parents, and parents will naturally teach their children to be like them) |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Ubdavis(m): 4:11pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
There is no heaven |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by FRANELCLINIC: 4:11pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Shantyken: In some respects, Christians are called to be like children (humility, willingness to learn, impartiality) In other respects, Christians are urged not to be like children (gullibility as in Ephesians 4:14, etc) |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by FRANELCLINIC: 4:15pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
maasoap: Of course many Nigerian are mentally ill, just as many Nigerians are physically ill. The same is true in many nations in the world. Whoever is dealing with extreme and intense bouts of sadness, thoughts of suicide, are mentally ill. I don't know why mental illness is viewed so negatively. That's why more and more people are committing suicide on a daily basis. I am not mentally ill, nor am I physically ill. I am healthy both in mind and in body. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 4:23pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
[quote author=Zooposki post=127169619...[/quote] Whoever put that together did so from a point of ignorance of Scripture though. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Emusan(m): 4:24pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Janosky: JaNosense! The master of delusional The points that Watchtower link discussed about, have nothing to worry your FALSE claims on this forum. Which false claims did I make? Let's start from there. There is difference between unborn foetus & an infant. But both are already HUMAN! Can you see that you're the real wailier and lying liar hallgoer miscreant like your father the Devil? The Bible does not say anything about resurrection of the unborn (foetus) that died in the womb or by miscarriage. The link proves that the unborn are ALREADY HUMAN. As regards this thread, heaven is not a home for dead infants and toddlers, but the grave. But it's a home for your gods However,JEHOVAH will raise to life the dead infants & toddlers born to his Servants, John 5:28 cover them. But Watchtower claimed they don't KNOW. JaNosense has lost in ONE line of thought |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 4:24pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Bedminton:There is no Truth to this claim. As Scripture instead says that the 144000 are the first fruits of Jesus Christ. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by FRANELCLINIC: 4:25pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: My point exactly, young man When one returns to dust, he returns to a state of unconsciousness, he ceases to exist. Moreover, if there really were a hell of torment, would not God have told that to Adam? Also, you are the one who spoke of hell and eternal damnation. What do you suppose that to mean? Granted, you said nothing about the lake of fire being literal, but since everyone usually use the lake of fire as justification for a hell of eternal damnation, I thought you interpreted that lake literally as well. Sorry about that. It's good to know we’re on common ground in that issue of the lake of fire being symbolic. I would rather we end on good terms, so I wish to end my reply here. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 4:25pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
ohosi4real:How can they return to a place where they have never been? |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Emusan(m): 4:26pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: Can you this with evidence? Or you take it that you're just a false accuser like your father the Devil? Go and rest After I torment you and your lying organisation finish. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 4:27pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
backbone503:Jesus Christ is the only Way to His Father, God of Abraham AND Isaac AND Jacob. Which other way do you know of? |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by FRANELCLINIC: 4:28pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Because one can sin in one's thoughts. God said about humans that the thoughts of their heart are always bad all the time, and this doesn't refer only to adults. One has to be inclined towards disobedience before committing it. The Bible says in Colossians 1:21 that we are viewed by God as enemies because of our hearts being bent towards evil. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 4:30pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Expanse2020:Since the beginning when God cursed man, all those wil die outside or knowing God and obtaining Eternal Life are simply recycled back into the ground from which they were made. That is what God said in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by FRANELCLINIC: 4:32pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: God didn't say it would no longer hold. Remember that in Deuteronomy 24:16, already he had said that children won't bear error for their parents’ sins and vice versa. At that time, he didn't say that to annul what he said in Exodus 20:5 at all, neither was he annulling it in Ezekiel 18. It isn't generational sins per se, because it only befalls those of the descendants who imitate the hateful course of their evil forefathers. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 4:34pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
FRANELCLINIC:1. Where in Scripture is this not only stated by God but given as law to man by Him? Recall that without the Law, there is no sin meaning if it is not expressed in God's Law you have no permission from God to declare it sin against God. 2. Inclined towards obedience? That sounds like hockphooey! What God demands is not an inclinations towards but matter of factual obedience of His teachings and Law. Anything other than that is rubbish! |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Zooposki(f): 4:40pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
[quote author=Kobojunkie post=127176453][/quote] Her YouTube channel is Open Diary. She has uncountable videos. Are you a pastor? |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by justloo(m): 4:40pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
No, infants DO NOT go to heaven when they die. Salvation is based on the KNOWING the ONLY TRUE GOD JEHOVAH (John 17:3) and the role of Jesus plays in the fulfilment of GOD’s purpose for creating humans. This in itself makes the baptism of children unchristian because they do not know right from wrong, cannot repent from their sins and cannot dedicate their lives to serve God as Jesus did when he was baptised in the river Jordan. The Bible promises a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous ( John 5:28,28; Acts 24:15). For babies, this hope is tied with that of their parents because during resurrection, someone has to recognise the baby they lost in death either as an infant or a baby. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 4:43pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
FRANELCLINIC:1. But Deuteronomy 24 vs 16 has nothing to do with Generational curses. It instead has to do with the carrying out of statutes and punishment by men. 16 “Parents must not be put to death for something their children did. And children must not be put to death for something their parents did. People should be put to death only for a bad thing that they themselves did. - Deuteronomy 24 vs 16So, again, I ask, are you insinuating that God lied in Ezekiel 18 vs 3? 1 The word of the Lord came to me. He said, 2. Is it me or are you clueless about God's actual decree regarding generational sins in the Law of Moses? 4 So Moses made two more stone tablets like the first ones. Early the next morning Moses went up Mount Sinai, just as the Lord had commanded. Moses carried the two stone tablets with him. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 4:45pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Zooposki:There are millions of ignorant folks like that out there. Christianity as a whole is a religion that thrives on ignorance of what is in fact stated in Scripture. God forbid! I am not a pastor. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Zooposki(f): 4:48pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: I sent you those lessons cos I saw from your write up how ignorant you really were. It boggled my mind that there were still people like you that exists. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by alabo1: 4:51pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Aemmyjah: I SAY SO. JUST AS THEY SAY THEIR RELIGION IS THE ONLY WAY. IT IS THEIR WORD AGAINST MINE. WE CAME AND MET ALL THESE MAN MADE CONTRAPTIONS. OUT OF 8+ BILLION PEOPLE ONY 2.4 ARE CHRISTIANS AND DECLINING. IN REALITY THE BULK OF MANKIND INCLUDING THE DECEASED WERE NOT CHRISTIANS. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WILL . I HAVE MINE. ALL ARE JUST BELIEFS AS WE DONT KNOW. PEACE |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 4:53pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Zooposki:At least point to exactly one ignorant statement you accuse me of making and let's visit what God in facts states in Scripture to see if I am in fact the ignorant one here. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 4:56pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Banhammy717:returned? |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 4:58pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
brainhgeek:Rubbish! Open your eyes and mind when you are reading. There is no place in Scripture where it is stated or even suggested that babies go to heaven. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 5:02pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
thomasjoe:1. God created sin since it is His Law that defines sin for man. 2. Jesus Christ made abundantly that except a man be born-again — born of Water AND born of Spirit — He absolutely cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. So, since those who existed before Jesus Christ had no way of partaking of Jesus Christ, they cannot be in the same Heaven which Jesus Christ gave Law for. And His Law is everlasting — UNCHANGING! 3. Jesus Christ said it is within and all around... about one...lso not of this world... Let's not pretend we can limit it, please. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 5:08pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
brainhgeek:Of course, babies cannot go to hell since one would need to be born-again — born of water AND born of Spirit — in order to gain access into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 21 where Heaven and Hell(Eternal Damnation) are both a part of - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 36. That equally means that babies who aren't born again cannot enter into Heaven(Eternal Reward) either. 2. Where in 2 Samuel 12 do you get this conclusion of yours from? 13 Then David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” Nathan said to David, “The Lord will forgive you, even for this sin. You will not die.Where exactly did David state that he, David, would see, the baby in Heaven? |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 5:09pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Antoeni:That is ofcourse a bloody lie which is in no way connected to Scripture. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 5:12pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
GreatAchiever1:Jesus Christ pretty much made it clear that all have to be born-again — Born of Water AND Born of Spirit— in order to enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 21 - where Jesus Christ reigns as King and Judge over both Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Therefore babies by virtue of not being born-again cannot end up in either of Heaven or Hell as proclaimed by Jesus Christ. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 5:13pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
newnigerdelta00:No they don't! |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 5:16pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Watcharena:But Hell(Eternal Damnation) also didn't exist to man before Jesus Christ showed up offering the Kingdom of God - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Jesus Christ is literally the King of Heaven and over Hell. |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 5:17pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
Ensquare:So you don't in fact know what is written of this subject right there in scripture? |
Re: Do Newborn Babies Go To Heaven When They Die by Kobojunkie: 5:17pm On Nov 26, 2023 |
olumighty9:.... created for them by your pope, right? |
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