dickson2000:
And why do you think Jesus told His disciples that they have to become like children in order to enter the Kingdom of God?

Because only those who continously submit to and obey all of His teachings and commandments, abandoning their will and ego to accomplish, can earn the reward that is Heaven i.e. become children of God.

francotunsco:
Matthew 18:3 successfully settles the mattar.
And he said: “Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Clearly, what you post says something entirely different from what you claim.

A child is not LIKE a child. Rather, a child is a Child. Only one who is not a child can become LIKE a child.

Bliztzer:
■ All babies except some few tainted blood whose soul had been sold to devil through witchcraft. Some babies while in the womb attend coven, and have killed and drank blood of the innocent.

That idea is hogwash! No soul can in fact be sold or bought. These ideas all thrive only when people buy into such delusions.

Uchennatimothy:
People don't go to heaven when they die, instead the remain in the grave awaiting resurrection.

Only those who gained Eternal life sleep in the grave. All others perish in the grave i.e. cease to exist in the grave. - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24

LilBlaze24o:
This article can help.
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009285

Rubbish!

OctavianAC:
I thought you wanted to quote Canon law. Because we are discussing something canonical. Quote Canon law for us too na, since you know law well well.

What the heck is canon law for Pete's sake?

Bluesearoll:
According to 1 Corinthians 7 v 14_16, if both the parents are unbeliever the child will be unclean...and the Bible says no unclean thing will enter therein.in other words if they are born out of wedlock they are in danger of hell

THis is a Rubbish conclusion on your part and born of ignorance of what Paul in fact said there in that passage.

Charly68:
Only God can answer this correctly ..

God already answered that question thousands of years ago. That you don't know it is your ignorance and nothing else.

OctavianAC:
■ They will go to heaven if they had received baptism of water. The baptism of water is necessary because they were born of a woman carrying a curse Gen 3:15. The curse that she can't deny during child birth. All the aborted baby must be baptize, even as some has received their baptism already. This is a mystery that you pastor does not know and cannot tell you.

1. This nonsense makes no sense when put against that which is in fact written in Scripture. John the Baptist never said the Baptism by water does any of what you claim - Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11 & Mark 1 vs 1 - 14 & Luke 3 vs 1 - 18. None of what you claim makes scriptural sense. So why do you hold on to it knowing this?

Now this is another Bala blu bulaba.....
So those that are sleeping,in your own context,do not decay and turn to dust? As in they remain in perfect body condition for thousands of years or more until resurrection?
U think God requires your body to be intact before he resurrects you from the dead?
What about those that drowned in the seas and consumed by fire?
Nahhh....God only needs to SPEAK and the dead would rise. The Bible says,the sea gave up its dead!
In the Bible book of Ezekiel chapter 37,the valley of dead bones,read it up and see the power of God in action,as in the midst of thousands of dry scattered bone,each sought its missing part, from the skulls to the phalanges. God commanded flesh to appear on their bodies and caused a wind to blow life into them. Thousands of soldiers came back to life. And I ask,did they resurrect from heaven or hell?
U guys use this hell fire theory to paint God in bad light,as one vindictive and a sadist who derives joy in people burning in agony in a certain fire.
He'd rather destroy the sinner in a lake of fire and brimstone, which is the second death, from which there would be no resurrection. Read up Revelation.
The 'hell' U guys misquote as a literal fire is a state of utter annihilation, even Satan will be annihilated as well.

Oh Junkieeee....wetin you smoke?
When God told Adam that from dust he was made and unto dust he would return,it was a sentence passed on the entire human race!

Kobojunkie:
I see now that you still do not read at all. You just jump to respond without comprehension. And you also do not respect context when posting from Scripture.

First, I never told you anyone is in Heaven or Hell since the passage I posted for you to read clearly reveals that only those who are born-again can enter into the Kingdom of God and it is only at the end when Jesus Christ returns that those who sleep will be raised, some of them to judgment.

Second, not all the dead sleep since God Himself said in Genesis 3 vs 16 -24 that those who die outside of God —unbelievers —were made from dust and to dust they will be returned. Are those God turned back to dust — those who cease to exist in their graves — also sleeping? Be careful to make sure you respect context when dealing with scripture even as you continue with these rants of yours.

Kobojunkie:
Because only those who continously submit to and obey all of His teachings and commandments, abandoning their will and ego to accomplish, can earn the reward that is Heaven i.e. become children of God.

If this is one of the qualities Christ urged His Disciples to have to make the Kingdom of God, then you shouldn't be saying newborn babies who die during birth are going to hell.

dickson2000:
■If this is one of the qualities Christ urged His Disciples to have to make the Kingdom of God, then you shouldn't be saying newborn babies who die during birth are going to hell.

Jesus Christ pretty much made it clear that ALL have to be born-again — Born of Water AND Born of Spirit— in order to enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 21 - where Jesus Christ reigns as King and Judge over both Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Therefore babies by virtue of not being born-again cannot end up in either Heaven or Hell as proclaimed by Jesus Christ.

Is a newborn Born of Water(Fountain of Living Water that is Jesus Christ) AND Born of Spirit(of Eternal Life that is Jesus Christ) for you to insinuate he or she would have a part in the Kingdom of God where Jesus Christ is King and ruler over both Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation)?

Expanse2020:

Because you don't have valid answers to what I asked he pass your brain

Ur question na mumu one na. Ask again wt sense

Kobojunkie:
Please try to engage all of your brain in this.

Jesus Christ pretty much made it clear that all have to be born-again — Born of Water AND Born of Spirit— in order to enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 21 - where Jesus Christ reigns as King and Judge over both Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Therefore babies by virtue of not being born-again cannot end up in either Heaven or Hell as proclaimed by Jesus Christ.

I'm curious, where do dead babies go when they die if they neither go to Heaven nor Hell?

GreatAchiever1:
■ I'm curious, where do dead babies go when they die if they neither go to Heaven nor Hell?

God told you were in Genesis 3

16 Then God said to the woman, “I will cause you to have much trouble when you are pregnant. And when you give birth to children, you will have much pain.
You will want your husband very much, but he will rule over you.”
17 Then God said to the man, “I commanded you not to eat from that tree. But you listened to your wife and ate from it. So I will curse the ground because of you. You will have to work hard all your life for the food the ground produces.
18 The ground will grow thorns and weeds for you. And you will have to eat the plants that grow wild in the fields.
19 You will work hard for your food until your face is covered with sweat. You will work hard until the day you die, and then you will become dust again. I used dust to make you, and when you die, you will become dust again.”
20 Adam named his wife Eve.[d] He gave her this name because Eve would be the mother of everyone who ever lived.
21 The Lord God used animal skins and made some clothes for the man and his wife. Then he put the clothes on them.
22 The Lord God said, “Look, the man has become like us—he knows about good and evil. And now the man might take the fruit from the tree of life. If the man eats that fruit, he will live forever.”
23 So the Lord God forced the man out of the Garden of Eden to work the ground he was made from.
24 God forced the man to leave the garden. Then he put Cherub angels and a sword of fire at the entrance to the garden to protect it. The sword flashed around and around, guarding the way to the Tree of Life. - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24

Everyone who dies outside of God's Will — God's Law — is returned to the dust from which they were created— they cease to exist.

Kobojunkie:
God told you were in Genesis 3
Everyone who dies outside of God's Will — God's Law — is returned to the dust from which they were created— they cease to exist.

So where do their souls then go?

GreatAchiever1:
■ So where do their souls then go?

Read again! God told you were in Genesis 3

16 Then God said to the woman, “I will cause you to have much trouble when you are pregnant. And when you give birth to children, you will have much pain.
You will want your husband very much, but he will rule over you.”
17 Then God said to the man, “I commanded you not to eat from that tree. But you listened to your wife and ate from it. So I will curse the ground because of you. You will have to work hard all your life for the food the ground produces.
18 The ground will grow thorns and weeds for you. And you will have to eat the plants that grow wild in the fields.
19 You will work hard for your food until your face is covered with sweat. You(Mind, Body and Soul) will work hard until the day you die, and then you(Mind, Body And Soul) will become dust again. I used dust to make you(Mind, Body, And Soul), and when you(Mind, Body, And Soul) die, you(Mind, Body, And Soul) will become dust again.”
20 Adam named his wife Eve.[d] He gave her this name because Eve would be the mother of everyone who ever lived.
21 The Lord God used animal skins and made some clothes for the man and his wife. Then he put the clothes on them.
22 The Lord God said, “Look, the man has become like us—he knows about good and evil. And now the man might take the fruit from the tree of life. If the man eats that fruit, he will live forever.”
23 So the Lord God forced the man out of the Garden of Eden to work the ground he was made from.
24 God forced the man to leave the garden. Then he put Cherub angels and a sword of fire at the entrance to the garden to protect it. The sword flashed around and around, guarding the way to the Tree of Life. - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24

Everyone who dies outside of God's Will — God's Law — is returned to the dust from which they were created— they cease to exist.

Educate me sir

Kobojunkie:
THis is a Rubbish conclusion on your part and born of ignorance of what Paul in fact said there in that passage.

Bluesearoll:
Educate me sir

Here is what God told man — what all men inherited from Adam — Genesis 3

16 Then God said to the woman, “I will cause you to have much trouble when you are pregnant. And when you give birth to children, you will have much pain.
You will want your husband very much, but he will rule over you.”
17 Then God said to the man, “I commanded you not to eat from that tree. But you listened to your wife and ate from it. So I will curse the ground because of you. You will have to work hard all your life for the food the ground produces.
18 The ground will grow thorns and weeds for you. And you will have to eat the plants that grow wild in the fields.
19 You will work hard for your food until your face is covered with sweat. You(Mind, Body and Soul) will work hard until the day you die, and then you(Mind, Body And Soul) will become dust again. I used dust to make you(Mind, Body, And Soul), and when you(Mind, Body, And Soul) die, you(Mind, Body, And Soul) will become dust again.”
20 Adam named his wife Eve.[d] He gave her this name because Eve would be the mother of everyone who ever lived.
21 The Lord God used animal skins and made some clothes for the man and his wife. Then he put the clothes on them.
22 The Lord God said, “Look, the man has become like us—he knows about good and evil. And now the man might take the fruit from the tree of life. If the man eats that fruit, he will live forever.”
23 So the Lord God forced the man out of the Garden of Eden to work the ground he was made from.
24 God forced the man to leave the garden. Then he put Cherub angels and a sword of fire at the entrance to the garden to protect it. The sword flashed around and around, guarding the way to the Tree of Life. - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24

Everyone who dies outside of God's Will — God's Law — is returned to the dust from which they were created— they cease to exist.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ pretty much made it clear that ALL have to be born-again — Born of Water AND Born of Spirit— in order to enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 21 - where Jesus Christ reigns as King and Judge over both Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation) - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. Therefore babies by virtue of not being born-again cannot end up in either Heaven or Hell as proclaimed by Jesus Christ.

Is a newborn Born of Water(Fountain of Living Water that is Jesus Christ) AND Born of Spirit(of Eternal Life that is Jesus Christ) for you to insinuate he or she would have a part in the Kingdom of God where Jesus Christ is King and ruler over both Heaven(Eternal Reward) and Hell(Eternal Damnation)?

How do you baptize a stillborn or a child who dies just immediately after birth? God's ways are different and you can't fathom it. God is Just and merciful!

A clear pointer for you is the book of Matthew 18:1-3 :- “At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, ‘Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?’ And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, ‘Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.’ ”

dickson2000:
■ How do you baptize a stillborn or a child who dies just immediately after birth? God's ways are different and you can't fathom it. God is Just and merciful!

A clear pointer for you is the book of Matthew 18:1-3 :- “At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, ‘Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?’ And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them and said, ‘Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.’ ”

Is it that you are unable to properly reason these things of what?

Please go back through my previous comment as many times as you need to understand what Jesus Christ in facts says.

AwokenVawulence:
Probably not , 1.everyone is born into sin and must first accept Jesus as his personal saviour before he can be saved.
2. If the child is male and uncircumcised he can't enter the kingdom of heaven

Modified:abeg all those were they mention me I don hear tire no vex

Keep lying

Kobojunkie:
Of course, babies cannot go to hell since one would need to be born-again — born of water AND born of Spirit — in order to gain access into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 21 where Heaven and Hell(Eternal Damnation) are both a part of - Matthew 25 vs 31 - 36. That equally means that babies who aren't born again cannot enter into Heaven(Eternal Reward) either.

2. Where in 2 Samuel 12 do you get this conclusion of yours from?
Where exactly did David state that he, David, would see, the baby in Heaven?

That was a typo from me. It's there in 2 Samuel 12:23 (KJV) But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
Jesus himself declared that children are candidates of heaven. Why would God put children in lake of fire for what the know nothing about and for not being asked to be born?
Babies don't go to hell. They go to heaven when they die

Dtruthspeaker:


Wrong

Age of liability starts at 7 years which is why Natural Law says that a child under the age of seven is not criminally responsible for any act or omission which is why bandits called govt included it in their unlawful Law called Criminal code. (Whereas even that criminal code makes them criminals also)

u said 7 but some started fingering themselves from 3years does it mean they don't know what they were doing

If baptised Yes!

If not baptized No.

Kobojunkie:
Read again! God told you were in Genesis 3
Everyone who dies outside of God's Will — God's Law — is returned to the dust from which they were created— they cease to exist.

So our Soul&mind is made with dust using your own interpretation?

brainhgeek:
■ That was a typo from me. It's there in 2 Samuel 12:23 (KJV) But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.
■ Jesus himself declared that children are candidates of heaven. Why would God put children in lake of fire for what the know nothing about and for not being asked to be born?
■ Babies don't go to hell. They go to heaven when they die

19 David saw his servants whispering and understood that the baby was dead. So David asked his servants, “Is the baby dead?” The servants answered, “Yes, he is dead.”
20 Then David got up from the floor. He washed himself. He changed his clothes and got dressed. Then he went into the Lord’s house to worship. After that he went home and asked for something to eat. His servants gave him some food, and he ate.
21 David’s servants asked him, “Why are you doing this? When the baby was alive, you cried and refused to eat. But when the baby died you got up and ate food.”
22 David said, “While the baby was still living, I cried and refused to eat because I thought, ‘Who knows? Maybe the Lord will feel sorry for me and let the baby live.’
23 But now the baby is dead, so why should I refuse to eat? Can I bring the baby back to life? No. Some day I will go to him, but he cannot come back to me.” - 2 Samuel 12 vs 20 - 23

But even there David never said anything about meeting a baby in Heaven, so where do you get that from?

2. Jesus Christ never said that at all. What Jesus Christ instead said is that those who are first born-again would need to become LIKE children in order to inherit the Kingdom of God. Those of them who refuse to become LIKE children will of course not inherit the Kingdom of God.

3. Neither do babies go to heaven because babies ARE NOT born of water AND Born of Spirit..

My brother all these epistle you wrote does not explain the Bible verse i quoted... please read it and explain to my ignorant comprehension.

Kobojunkie:
Here is what God told man — what all men inherited from Adam — Genesis 3
Everyone who dies outside of God's Will — God's Law — is returned to the dust from which they were created— they cease to exist.

Kobojunkie:
Rubbish! Open your eyes and mind when you are reading. There is no place in Scripture where it is stated or even suggested that babies go to heaven.

I will show you more than one place in the Bible where Jesus mentioned that children's the kingdom of heaven however, you have to mention on place where the Bible mentioned that babies will go to hell
Mark 10:14 (KJV) But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.


Matthew 18:2-6 (KJV) And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

If Jesus is as passionate about children as this, why would he want them destroyed in hell for a crime they know nothing about?

GreatAchiever1:
■ So our Soul&mind is made with dust using your own interpretation?

So, what is written in Scripture should be disregarded?

6 So water came up from the earth and spread over the ground.
7 Then the Lord God took dust from the ground and made a man. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nose, and the man became a living thing. - Genesis 2 vs 6 - 7

Kobojunkie:
So, what is written in Scripture should be disregarded?

Body - from the earth.
Soul - from God.
Behold, all souls are Mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is Mine. The soul who sins will die.
— Ezekiel 18:4

brainhgeek:
■ I will show you more than one place in the Bible where Jesus mentioned that children's the kingdom of heaven however, you have to mention on place where the Bible mentioned that babies will go to hell
Mark 10:14 (KJV) But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Matthew 18:2-6 (KJV) And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
■ If Jesus is as passionate about children as this, why would he want them destroyed in hell for a crime they know nothing about?

If you had bothered to even read with your eyes open, you would have seen that what Jesus Christ said is that His followers would need to become like children — not be children— in order for the Kingdom of God to belong to them.

13 People brought their small children to Jesus so that he could lay his hands on them to bless them. But the followers told the people to stop bringing their children to him.
14 Jesus saw what happened. He did not like his followers telling the children not to come. So he said to them, “Let the little children come to me. Don’t stop them, because God’s kingdom belongs to people who are like these little children.
15 The truth is, you must accept God’s kingdom like a little child accepts things, or you will never enter it.”
16 Then Jesus held the children in his arms. He laid his hands on them and blessed them. - Mark 10 vs 13 - 16

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13 Then the people brought their little children to Jesus so that he could lay his hands on them to bless them and pray for them. When the followers saw this, they told the people to stop bringing their children to him.
14 But Jesus said, “Let the little children come to me. Don’t stop them, because God’s kingdom belongs to people who are like these children.”
15 After Jesus blessed the children, he left there. - Matthew 19 vs 13 - 15

Rather, He said His own disciples were to become LIKE children in order to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

5 Some people brought their small children to Jesus so that he could lay his hands on them to bless them. But when the followers saw this, they told the people not to do this.
16 But Jesus called the little children to him and said to his followers, “Let the little children come to me. Don’t stop them, because God’s kingdom belongs to people who are like these little children.
17 The truth is, you must accept God’s kingdom like a little child accepts things, or you will never enter it.” - Luke 18 vs 15 - 17

Children do not inherit the Kingdom of God. Rather. It is people who become LIKE children that will inherit the Kingdom of God.

2. Passionate about children? He told His disciples not to keep children from Him. Then He gave them a teaching of how they had to become LIKE children if they wanted to inherit the Kingdom of God.