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TenQ:
Explain how he heard things in your so called grave
2Cor 12:4
4 and he heard things that cannot be told, which man may not utter.
If it is a place of inactivity, explain!

He heard it from Jesus BEFORE his execution that's the last word he took to the grave which no human could utter!

MaxInDHouse:
He heard it from Jesus BEFORE his execution that's the last word he took to the grave which no human could utter!

The Spirit of Islam is disturbing you Liar!
Only the Truth sets free!

TenQ:
The Spirit of Islam is disturbing you Liar!
Only the Truth sets free!

Did Paul say that the person in question heard something WHILE IN THE GRAVE?
Or he heard it as his take home to the grave?

Just delete or format Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 in your copy of the Bible and don't forget to correct Paul who said:


"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness" 2Timothy 3:16

Please let him know that Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 wasn't inspired so we can't learn from it!

MaxInDHouse:
Did Paul say that the person in question heard something WHILE IN THE GRAVE?
Or he heard it as his take home to the grave?

Just delete or format Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 in your copy of the Bible and don't forget to correct Paul who said:


"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness" 2Timothy 3:16

Please let him know that Ecclesiastes 9:5-10 wasn't inspired so we can't learn from it!

Paul never mentioned the grave he mentioned third heaven

2Cor 12:2-4:
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."



You saw the word Third Heaven
You saw the word Paradise

To you, it meant Hades, Grave and Hell.

You are a big Liar like Mohammed the antichrist!

TenQ:
Paul never mentioned the grave he mentioned third heaven
2Cor 12:2-4:
"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows; ) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

You saw the word Third Heaven
You saw the word Paradise
To you, it meant Hades, Grave and Hell.
You are a big Liar like Mohammed the antichrist!

So the word third heaven sounds literal to you shey?

Well Muhammad is not the antichrist because he never declared Christ as his Lord it's religionists claiming Christ is Lord but not ready to obey his words that are Antichrists.

According to the Bible they existed centuries before Muhammad was born:

Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour. 1John 2:18

So Muhammad born almost 500 years later can't be the antichrist!

MaxInDHouse:
So the word third heaven sounds literal to you shey?

Well Muhammad is not the antichrist because he never declared Christ as his Lord it's religionists claiming Christ is Lord but not ready to obey his words that are Antichrists.

According to the Bible they existed centuries before Muhammad was born:

Young children, it is the last hour, and just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared, from which fact we know that it is the last hour. 1John 2:18

So Muhammad born almost 500 years later can't be the antichrist!

But Hell and Grave is literal!?

Speak to the scripture rather than fixing your doctrine on the scripture

TenQ:
The Spirit of Islam is disturbing you Liar!
Only the Truth sets free!

Wetin concern Islam with your greek bible translations?

mhmsadyq:
Wetin concern Islam with your greek bible translations?

No be you I addressed o. Na one liar using Islamic Taqqiya to interpret bible

TenQ:
But Hell and Grave is literal!?
Speak to the scripture rather than fixing your doctrine on the scripture

You should have said from the beginning that you're fighting for your Hellfire doctrine nah!

Explore2xmore:
If we look at the language here like that in Isaiah 48:10 states, "I have refined you, but not as silver; I have tested you in the furnace of affliction." This language suggests that the purpose of the refining fire is to purify and renew, not to condemn and destroy.

The book of Malachi is primarily concerned with addressing the corrupt practices of the Israelites and calling them to repentance. The dreadful day is presented as a consequence of their actions, but it is also portrayed as a potential turning point for the people.

The Fuller's fire, the refining fire, the spirit of burning, etc are all judgements in the sense of chastisements. God's hands are heavy upon His children whenever they go wayward but His chastisements are all in love. To call back into order, those that are going astray.

The dreadful and terrible day is the day of judgement. Quiet different from the occasional chastisements. It's a day when all, young and old, man and woman would stand before the fiery judgement of the Lord God Almighty. It's going to be a dreadful day. That's what Malachi 4 was talking about.

MaxInDHouse:
You should have said from the beginning that you're fighting for your Hellfire doctrine nah!

You were the one who said that the experience of Paul was Hell, Grave or Hades: rather than the third heaven as stated and not me.

TenQ:
You were the one who said that the experience of Paul was Hell, Grave or Hades: rather than the third heaven as stated and not me.

Third heaven means what exactly to you?

MaxInDHouse:
Third heaven means what exactly to you?

Somewhere in heaven!

MaxInDHouse:
You're just agitating in vain because:

"There are many things not recorded in your bible" ~ bobestman

Guy come to me and i will teach you many things you don't know in that book. The organisation teaching you are empty and know nothing
What i said that you keep reposting is in the bible and their is nothing wrong with it. I gave you a verse on that. Many know that their are other books not in it. Many things were copied from ancient sources. The messiah was against the powers that rule in his time. They control everything and change anything that is against them. The messiah said things against them that they removed. Your new testament was written under Roman supervision. They added and removed from the book

So not everything you read is accurate. You need to be guided by the spirit of God and what is revealed to you. That is knowledge! Your organisation is a dead one. They don't see, hear, dreams, visions etc they just believe. Fools

TenQ:
Somewhere in heaven!

Well it simply means favour from God so those going there are not existing anywhere but their resurrection is certain because God kept them away from not experiencing all the bad things evildoers will do.

Enoch was the first to be shown this favour! Genesis 5:24

bobestman:
Guy come to me and i will teach you many things you don't know in that book. The organisation teaching you are empty and know nothing
What i said that you keep reposting is in the bible and their is nothing wrong with it. I gave you a verse on that. Many know that their are other books not in it. Many things were copied from ancient sources. The messiah was against the powers that rule in his time. They control everything and change anything that is against them. The messiah said things against them that they removed. Your new testament was written under Roman supervision. They added and removed from the book
So not everything you read is accurate. You need to be guided by the spirit of God and what is revealed to you. That is knowledge! Your organisation is a dead one. They don't see, hear, dreams, visions etc they just believe. Fools

You can't teach me because i only believe in the Bible but since you said:
"There are many things not recorded in your bible"
I will keep what i know you too should keep what you know!

MaxInDHouse:
Well it simply means favour from God so those going there are not existing anywhere but their resurrection is certain because God kept them away from not experiencing all the bad things evildoers will do.

Enoch was the first to be shown this favour! Genesis 5:24

Its no more grave, hell or Hades!?

TenQ:
Its no more grave, hell or Hades!?

Hell Grave or Hades means a place of inactivity front where the dead will be called out {Job 14:13-15} but Gehenna {Lake of Fire} symbolizes a condition where those in it will never be remembered! Psalms 9:17

Now the RIGHTEOUS servants of God are in a sense caught up to the third heaven because their names are already in God's memory book as RIGHTEOUS ONES that's the import of what you read not that any human will go to heaven where God never purposed for man to live! Psalms 115:16

MaxInDHouse:
Hell Grave or Hades means a place of inactivity front where the dead will be called out {Job 14:13-15} but Gehenna {Lake of Fire} symbolizes a condition where those in it will never be remembered! Psalms 9:17

Now the RIGHTEOUS servants of God are in a sense caught up to the third heaven because their names are already in God's memory book as RIGHTEOUS ONES that's the import of what you read not that any human will go to heaven where God never purposed for man to live! Psalms 115:16

Is the third heaven no more grave, Hades and hell?

TenQ:
Is the third heaven no more grave, Hades and hell?

It is!

MaxInDHouse:
It is!

The third heaven is under the ground!?

Good night

TenQ:
The third heaven is under the ground!?
Good night

Read Revelations 20:13
And the SEA gave up the dead in it, and DEATH and the GRAVE gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds.

Sea
Death
Grave
Are they all the same condition?

MaxInDHouse:
Read Revelations 20:13
And the SEA gave up the dead in it, and DEATH and the GRAVE gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds.

Sea
Death
Grave
Are they all the same condition?

All in the third heaven!?
SMH!

TenQ:
All in the third heaven!?
SMH!

Sea is physical
Death is physical
Grave is not physical because many people's graves are not known till today yet they're in God's Memory book e.g. Moses
So people in such conditions are highly favoured: They are in the third heaven

That's why during the transfiguration Jesus was seen talking to Moses and Elijah both are dead but because they're highly favoured we can say they're in the third heaven just like the thief Jesus assured of Paradise!

MaxInDHouse:
Sea is physical
Death is physical
Grave is not physical because many people's graves are not known till today yet they're in God's Memory book e.g. Moses
So people in such conditions are highly favoured: They are in the third heaven

That's why during the transfiguration Jesus was seen talking to Moses and Elijah both are dead but because they're highly favoured we can say they're in the third heaven just like the thief Jesus assured of Paradise!

The grave is not physical : it must be invisible!
SMH!!

TenQ:
The grave is not physical : it must be invisible!
SMH!!

Where is the grave of Moses?
You people just think the word GRAVE literally means the common graveyards you see around you.
For your information the word Sheol, Hades and Hell means the land of the dead and it doesn't necessarily mean the common graveyards but the memories of all those who are dead.
Enoch, Moses, Elijah are all in their graves but do you know where they are buried?
NO!
They are simply in God's memory book: Third heaven!

MaxInDHouse:
You can't teach me because i only believe in the Bible but since you said: "There are many things not recorded in your bible" I will keep what i know you too should keep what you know!

Very well but know that you and your organisation know nothing

bobestman:
Very well but know that you and your organisation know nothing

We are making use of what we know for now!

Templee333:
our ancestors who had no bible or heard about Jesus knew better than a modern christian. Was Jesus not the 2nd Adam? Was John the baptist not Elijah?

Jesus being called 2nd Adam is a metaphor.

Did Elijah die?

Explore2xmore:
Attn: Fxmasterz,SirTee15,Malcom1x,Maximdhouse,Mightysparrow,MrPrevailer,Tenq and all who can shed light and knowledge about this.

You Muslims are cowards. Imagine U people ran to mods to take the topic Islam and it's impact on modern day Yoruba people to your hideous islamic section.
Muslims are so embarrassed by the way and manners their prophet died they didn't want the thread alive anymore- they want it dead.

Imagine the deception. If U are so proud of your prophet. Why are U scared of his dark side?

Now to your response. First let's get some things clear.

1. Allah made it clear in the Quran if Muhammed is ever caught lying against him, He would grab him and kill him by SEVERING HIS AORTA.

2. On Muhammed's death bed, he confessed his pain feels like his aorta is being severed.

3. Muhammed said the pain from his aorta started
since he ate the poison from the Jewish woman 3 years earlier.
Let's get one thing clear, Muhammed may be wrong or right about the cause of his pain. But we do know is that he died a slow, agonizing and painful death which he attributed to aortic pain.

How did Muhammad die?

Allah himself may have directly severed Muhammed's aorta and allowed it to leak slowly, thus the chronic aorta pain he had.
Allah may prolonged the half life of the poison Muhammed ate thus allowing for it's sustained exposure in his body and enough time to cause damage on Muhammed's aorta.

It's even possible Allah used another pathophysiology to damage Muhammed's aorta and may not even be related to aortic dissection or the poison at all.

The crux of the matter is did Allah fulfil his warning by making Muhammad die of aortic pain ?

Hadith are not scientific books, they are historical documents. Directly applying scientific methodology is not applicable.

But what is applicable is the spiritual and theology understanding of the document.

Allah said if Muhammed is ever caught lying and making things up. He will kill him by severing his aorta.
Muhammed confessed on his death bed that the pain he's having is like his aorta has been severed.

The question U and other muslims should answer is why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

That's the bigger question.

SIRTee15:
You Muslims are cowards. Imagine U people ran to mods to take the topic Islam and it's impact on modern day Yoruba people to your hideous islamic section.
Muslims are so embarrassed by the way and manners their prophet died they didn't want the thread alive anymore- they want it dead.

Imagine the deception. If U are so proud of your prophet. Why are U scared of his dark side?

Now to your response. First let's get some things clear.

1. Allah made it clear in the Quran if Muhammed is ever caught lying against him, He would grab him and kill him by SEVERING HIS AORTA.

2. On Muhammed's death bed, he confessed his pain feels like his aorta is being severed.

3. Muhammed said the pain from his aorta started
since he ate the poison from the Jewish woman 3 years earlier.
Let's get one thing clear, Muhammed may be wrong or right about the cause of his pain. But we do know is that he died a slow, agonizing and painful death which he attributed to aortic pain.

How did Muhammad die?

Allah himself may have directly severed Muhammed's aorta and allowed it to leak slowly, thus the chronic aorta pain he had.
Allah may prolonged the half life of the poison Muhammed ate thus allowing for it's sustained exposure in his body and enough time to cause damage on Muhammed's aorta.

It's even possible Allah used another pathophysiology to damage Muhammed's aorta and may not even be related to aortic dissection or the poison at all.

The crux of the matter is did Allah fulfil his warning by making Muhammad die of aortic pain ?

Hadith are not scientific books, they are historical documents. Directly applying scientific methodology is not applicable.

But what is applicable is the spiritual and theology understanding of the document.

Allah said if Muhammed is ever caught lying and making things up. He will kill him by severing his aorta.
Muhammed confessed on his death bed that the pain he's having is like his aorta has been severed.

The question U and other muslims should answer is why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

That's the bigger question.

You are simply despicable. You quoted me but edited my content?

What relevance is this?
My original post from when?

Explore2xmore:
There appears some verses in the Bible that say reincarnation doesn't occur.
Hebrews 9:27 - "And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment

Yet Jesus is said to say Elijah had come but wasn't recognised. Matthew 11:10-14.

Where was Elijah said to have come?

Then he is also said to come again at the end of the world.


Attn: Fxmasterz,SirTee15,Malcom1x,Maximdhouse,Mightysparrow,MrPrevailer,Tenq and all who can shed light and knowledge about this.

SIRTee15:
You Muslims are cowards. Imagine U people ran to mods to take the topic Islam and it's impact on modern day Yoruba people to your hideous islamic section.
Muslims are so embarrassed by the way and manners their prophet died they didn't want the thread alive anymore- they want it dead.

Imagine the deception. If U are so proud of your prophet. Why are U scared of his dark side?

Now to your response. First let's get some things clear.

1. Allah made it clear in the Quran if Muhammed is ever caught lying against him, He would grab him and kill him by SEVERING HIS AORTA.

2. On Muhammed's death bed, he confessed his pain feels like his aorta is being severed.

3. Muhammed said the pain from his aorta started
since he ate the poison from the Jewish woman 3 years earlier.
Let's get one thing clear, Muhammed may be wrong or right about the cause of his pain. But we do know is that he died a slow, agonizing and painful death which he attributed to aortic pain.

How did Muhammad die?

Allah himself may have directly severed Muhammed's aorta and allowed it to leak slowly, thus the chronic aorta pain he had.
Allah may prolonged the half life of the poison Muhammed ate thus allowing for it's sustained exposure in his body and enough time to cause damage on Muhammed's aorta.

It's even possible Allah used another pathophysiology to damage Muhammed's aorta and may not even be related to aortic dissection or the poison at all.

The crux of the matter is did Allah fulfil his warning by making Muhammad die of aortic pain ?

Hadith are not scientific books, they are historical documents. Directly applying scientific methodology is not applicable.

But what is applicable is the spiritual and theology understanding of the document.

Allah said if Muhammed is ever caught lying and making things up. He will kill him by severing his aorta.
Muhammed confessed on his death bed that the pain he's having is like his aorta has been severed.

The question U and other muslims should answer is why did Muhammed described the illness that killed him exactly the way Allah said he would kill Muhammed if he's ever caught lying.

That's the bigger question.

You were asked a simple question to identify the word for aorta in arabic from the Quran and the hadith and you are here with repeated typing diarrhoea.

Is this your answer to the medical challenges you cannot defend?

Neither can you show any narration that he experienced any pain through the years after his poisoning? Is this the undeniable evidence you rely on?


On what you earlier said;

Explore2xmore:


Kindly indulge your educated ignorance and show evidence to suggest that chronic aortic dissection or aortic aneurysm can be directly caused by food poisoning.
Present examples of a singular case of poisoning that lead to death years post administration.

Present your paper to a medical journal if you like.


You wrote:
This is why I don't like debating non medics on medical matters.
What do you understand by food poisoning? Food poisoning is simply food borne illness caused by bacteria and their enterotoxins.
It's different from what we talking about here.
The Jewish women added a toxic substance called poison to Muhammed's food. That's not food poisoning....ok.

So many toxins in the body can predispose to aortic dissection e.g nicotine, cocaine, methamphetamine, carbazide and plant poisons.

Muhammed himself said he started having agonizing pain since he was exposed to the poison from the Jewish woman.
He said he feels like the poison is severing his aorta. Muhammed simply described how he felt.

You are not there to say Muhammed description of his pain is wrong. He was the one in pain and described how he felt.

The question should be why did the Prophet of Allah described himself dying in the same manner Allah had said he would die if he's ever caught lying?