ehizario2012:


Prior to 2015, my bosses who had 20 million+ in their accounts were not even thinking about relocation, it was all about going on famkly vacation and returning to the office.

But now, officers who have 50m+ in their accounts are still spending millions to Japa!

APC is a stupid government, a government of pain! Punish them!!!

50M+ and still japa no be juju be that. Can never be me tho. Did he give any reason for his decision other than APC and BAT.

would like to learn.

Changed my mind. You have a different style of debate. It does make me feel like i m talking to myself.

Can you watch uk political shows tomorrow? You won't see your style at all guaranteed.

I m yielding the floor to you but i have not conceeded the point.

Good day to you , Sir/Ma

ReesheesuKnack:


You still never take me to the dead thread ohhh… I have been searching through all my mentions.

You lost me, i wont lie.
The non dom status is unconscionable
and unfair ,lying that you are not domiciled here when your whole family is here and you have a UK job you have to go to everymorning.
You ride on roads you dont pay for, are protected by police you dont pay for, look at clean streets you dont pay for, You are not contributing to the training of your kids teachers or your own doctors and nurses .
All the politicians and members of their family discovered doing it had to stop it and start paying full tax eg Rishis wife.
Even they know its indefensible. Its about time it was stopped.

ReesheesuKnack:



Does he (his company) pay every single kobo in tax for ALL the earnings in the UK?
The answer is YES.
This non dom argument get as e be.
So you, MissJekyll. Let’s assume that your grandfather in Nigeria left you 20,000,000 naira.
You open up a small Ankara company in Gusau.
You employ people. They work for your company. Your company in Gusau makes profit. Your company pays ALL taxes to the FIRS in Nigeria.

The same You, MissJekyll, having moved to the UK, you used the money you earned in the UK to open up a zobo factory in Bath or Cornwall.

Your zobo company employs British people and provided jobs for British people. Your zobo company pays ALL its taxes to the HMRC.

Then along comes Labour Candidate who says that to raise money in order to fund UK schools and to pay Benefits to UK citizens and to increase the salaries of UK GPs, you MUST pay taxes on ALL your company profits in Gusau, Nigeria to the UK govt, in addition of all the taxes you have paid to the FIRS in Nigeria.
In other words, your Zobo factory in Bath pays taxes to HMRC only, whereas your Ankara company in Gusau is expected to pay taxes to both the FIRS and the HMRC.


Which kind sense be that?


So much for Labour wanting to fund the UK from non dom status taxes.

Give me a break!

ReesheesuKnack:


If a doctor like, let them have methuselah years of experience. If the ‘patient’ claims lack of sleep, distress, anxiety and mental health being affected. Mentions general body weakness. The doctor must give sick note.

Even if they are diagnosed as fit to work?

This is what i was saying this people will never work even if there are jobs for them.

Working class oyinbo sef go tell you that " some of their people are lazy"

gmacnoms:
Yes. When also told one local, the amount paid for IHS for my family, man was stunned. He said they never say this on the media. That it’s the fist time he’s hearing it and was shocked at how much we paid to the government.

We are really contributing hugely into the UK economy.

How i wish our Rulers in Nigeria would repent from their sins.

ehizario2012:


It is well. Help comes from where least expected sometimes. Be thankful you didn't meet some of the people on this thread, they'll definitely have blamed you for not booking a spare hotel from Nigeria in case the first hotel failed!!! Just imagine!

Lol

ehizario2012:



Hmmm... In my first week in this country, I took a train to Rotherham from Sheffield and paid £5.6 in cash inside the train, on my way back I paid the same £5.6 in cash. The conductors were white, a lady to, and a guy fro. It was only me that day, I went to confirm our accomodation.

Following day, I packed my family and all my children inside train to Rotherham, got there as usual, met a white conductor outside the train and told him I'll be paying cash inside the train he said no problem. Lo and behold, the conductor I saw was a black man, he asked for tickets and I said I am paying cash. Next thing, this black man gave me a ticket of £100 for not buying a ticket before boarding the train... My protests and samples of receipts of previous journeys fell on deaf ears. I felt so embarrassed with my kids. That's how we do ourselves, over sabi na e dey kill some of us. Over do!!! He definitely came in as a migrant too! If na Lagos we dey, I for use something do am.

You forget that what a white man does and goes unquestioned if that black man run am dem fit rope am?

Not everything are as they seems.

profemebee:
You always amaze me

Someone freely told a story, started and finished the story... and is being corrected so he can learn from his mistakes

You reply stating you don't think he has finished the entire story..... you want him to add Jara??

lol.. amazing stuff..


I'm sure if the race was switched and it was the white conductor giving him the penalty charge, it would have been "the white conductor is racist"

In all of this all i have to say is as a black man you will always be a second class citizen in a white mans land. if you like get ILR

ehizario2012:


Lol @judgement. Now I understand why people bring their issues here and say it happened to their uncle, brother, sister, neighbour, cousin etc... never themselves! Its the judgement they afraid of... Well, I'm an Edo man and we nor dey fear judgement.
It's all in the past now anyway.

Bros you broke the law simple. own it and repent.

This is why where we run from is the way it is.

We dont agree we are wrong always looking for excuses or putting the blame on something.

ReesheesuKnack:



But seriously, how will you be angry for someone for doing his job?

We need to unlearn that naija mentality that has been embedded into our subconscious.

ReesheesuKnack:



As an avid student of (recent Nigerian History), your rhetoric is EXACTLY what the APC used to get to power in 2015. All these ‘Where’ questions you are asking, the APC asked them. And because of all the Where’s rhetoric, the APC got into power. The APC (in 2014) was talking about making $ = NGN. What they failed to do was to say the ‘HOW’.

That is the same thing You (and UK Labour & Cooperative Party) are doing. Whipping up rhetorics. Oya, tell us (the voters) how you will achieve it. The HOW is the key thing here. Plus, where will the money come from?

Missjekyll. HoW will you achieve these?

Railways are expensive yet crap: How will labour reduce the fare from S[b]heffield to Rotherham from £5.10 to £1.20?
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The NHS is now rubbish: HOW will Labour un-rubbish it?

There are no bobbies on the beat: How will Labour bring bobbies on the beat? And where will the money for the bobbies salaries come from?


There are more food banks than macdonalds: How will Labour establish more macdonalds to outnumber the food banks?


Prisons are now full to the brim: how will Labour decongest them?


You see, you keep on banging about how the Tories are rubbish. Tell us how Labour will solve the problems.

Cooker keep cooking. Saw what you did there

where is lexus in all of this analysis?

Be like you dey vacation in spain?

missjekyll:
Changed my mind. You have a different style of debate. It does make me feel like i m talking to myself.

Can you watch uk political shows tomorrow? You won't see your style at all guaranteed.

I m yielding the floor to you but i have not conceeded the point.

Good day to you , Sir/Ma

Better yield the floor. You come all the time to push a Labour agenda. You quoted Zahra as a good debater. Did you notice that Zahra29 debates without recourse to party-political affiliation?

You, every time, you castigate the Tories. Paint the Tories as evil. Look at this thread, for the past 300+ pages. Search the thread and see how many times anyone (apart from you) has infused Tory this, Tory that on the thread.

You portray Labour as the messiahs. Very small push back like this, very tiny pushback, you collapse like a pack of cards.

Like I mentioned, the 2014 Nigerian experience has shown clearly that castigating and painting a ruling party in bad light is not enough.

You want us to vote Labour, to get the evil and wicked Tories out, but you are afraid of putting down labours” policies down in black and white to convince us.

Tell us, how Labour will do it.
That was how Osinbajo, Buhari, Fashola et al made noise in 2014. They pointed out all the evils of the GEJ/UMY/OBJ (16 years of waste). And failed to craft a policy on how they will achieve it. With hindsight, we now know that APC ( equivalent of the present day UK Labour Party) left nigeria worst than they met it.


Elaborate on how Labour will do it.
And spend less energy on your daily Nairaland Tory bashing. Then, you could win more votes for Labour.


PS: I have met David Lammy 1-2-1. I read the Guardian. I watch the BBC. I watch GB News. I am an avid consumer of LBC’s James O’Brien. I voted Rupa Haq in 2017 and voted Daniel Zeichner in 2019. If Dianne Abbott stands next year, who knows, I may vote her.

Abeg I want to understand something o, assuming someone is on graduate visa and his family are already in UK. Let’s say he got sponsorship in healthcare after spring, will the UK send dependents back home? I have people panicking over this really.

lavida001:
where is lexus in all of this analysis?

Be like you dey vacation in spain?

U fit love this country more than the locals? U better make your money and be happy. I relate with colleagues who are locals and talk politics and the reasons Rishi seems to be better to them than Boris is that he never partied during Covid and never lied to the queen or something. I also feel Starmer is promising some things that are not %100 realistic. Who even take politicians serious nowadays?

When will Africans break free?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-67622511

Toh Australia is flexing their immigration policies powers too. There are also calls for caps on international student numbers and over all immigration numbers. The truth is they're targeting reduction to some specific nationalities but they obviously can't say those specific nationalities are not welcome so everyone gets caught in the reduction.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/11/labor-targets-student-and-some-worker-visas-in-overhaul-of-australias-temporary-migration-program

A very close family member has just received her student visa to Australia for a PhD. She paid an initial deposit was £27k and £15k of that was health insurance for a family of 3 for 3 years and the rest was one full semester's fees upfront.

Then she also had to pay £289 to the state government to apply for an approval to enrol her children in a state school - there are no school fees because she is a PhD student but if she was going as a masters student, she would have had to also pay school fees of £1800 per year, per child upfront and attach receipts to the visa application.

Medicals cost N210k and her daughter had to redo her medicals twice as she was just on the threshold for weight - basically they put her on a diet for 2 weeks o so she could fall under the weight threshold.

Visa fees was approx £450 so that wasn't too bad.

She had to provide 12 months statements of accounts with the last 6 months of the 12 months showing a closing balance of a minimum of £40k.

The visa took almost 5 months to process and she had to defer her start date twice. They then requested an updated bank statement 2 days before they issued the visa.

The upside is that she can work full time all year round as a PhD student and the dept gave her 27 hours straight away. Masters and lower quals can only work 40 hours a fortnight in term time and full time over the breaks.

The salary threshold for work visas is around £34k ish and average salaries are around £47k so not too bad as a starting point for skilled migrants.

Australia houses their asylum seekers mostly offshore and have always done that;

Under the Migration Act 1958 (Cth) (the Migration Act), asylum seekers who arrive in Australia, whether on the mainland or an 'excised offshore place', without a valid visa must be held in immigration detention until they are granted a visa or removed from Australia.

Immigration detention in Australia is indefinite – there is no limit in law or policy to the length of time for which a person may be detained.

If you change your mind and don't want to seek asylum anymore, you basically have to wait your turn to be processed and because you're not on the mainland, you can't even get out of the place!

NZ is more humane but they take a very, very small number of asylum seekers and no one get liver to cross sea come here. It has some of the choppiest waters in the world. So all asylum seekers come by invitation and the numbers are tightly controlled.

Average salaries in NZ is about £30k and the minimum salary for a skilled migrant visa is £40k.

Both countries have age caps of 45 years max. Unless you're mega wealthy then it's 55 years for those visa categories.

NZ does also have parent visas so you can bring your parents after you gain residency but you must have a combined house hold income of £41k if bringing one parent or £61k if bringing both parents and they must pass a health and character check. Children are also dependants until 24 as long as they remain in education or training and do not have a child themselves,

What both Australia and NZ have going for them is the sheer amount of jobs with not enough skilled people to do it. Even our PM has at least 3 ministerial portfolios in addition to being the PM! Majority of immigrants leave once they gain either PR or citizenship so the vacancies are never really filled. Even Israel Adesanya has japa-ed to the US!

Both countries also are very selective and harsh when it comes to immigration. NZ is the size of the UK with only 5.5m people and their citizens shout about how the country is over run by immigrants - probably not surprising as majority of them were originally British (mainly Scottish and Irish) so they're expert whingers about every single thing! They as usual also play political football with immigration rules all the time.

Australia is about 32 times the size of the UK with 22m people and again they whinge about uncontrolled immigration. Just like the Kiwis, they're all also mostly originally British (convicts, general immigrants and explorers). Let us not even start on the racism in Australia and the way they treat the aborigines.

Anyhow - we must survive, we must emigrate and we must succeed and we will rule with them when the time comes whether they like it or not

lavida001:


You forget that what a white man does and goes unquestioned if that black man run am dem fit rope am?

Not everything are as they seems.

Nice one. I thought of this too and it was what finally calmed me down. The black guy actually had limited options. Maybe na ontop e head Dem for apply the rule to the letter! I expected people to have said that since but instead na so so law Dem dey quote. I understood his limitations.

lavida001:


50M+ and still japa no be juju be that. Can never be me tho. Did he give any reason for his decision other than APC and BAT.

would like to learn.

How much is N50M in Nigeria of today?? In that toxic economy?? I've seen people that sum into startup businesses and those businesses gradually died over 18 months... Turnover kept dropping till guy enter debt. Useless leaders.

lavida001:


You forget that what a white man does and goes unquestioned if that black man run am dem fit rope am?

Not everything are as they seems.

My brother, I was going to say same thing.

I was in a position like this years ago at one logistics company like that giving juicy routes to our people. Just one day where I knew the supervisors were watching, did everything by the book 100% ant our people didn't get what they wanted, I was called names by same people I had always given an advantage. They expected me to favour them at the risk of me losing my job then. People are selfish and of they don't get their way there is always tag you badly.

ReesheesuKnack:



Does he (his company) pay every single kobo in tax for ALL the earnings in the UK?
The answer is YES.
This non dom argument get as e be.
So you, MissJekyll. Let’s assume that your grandfather in Nigeria left you 20,000,000 naira.
You open up a small Ankara company in Gusau.
You employ people. They work for your company. Your company in Gusau makes profit. Your company pays ALL taxes to the FIRS in Nigeria.

The same You, MissJekyll, having moved to the UK, you used the money you earned in the UK to open up a zobo factory in Bath or Cornwall.

Your zobo company employs British people and provided jobs for British people. Your zobo company pays ALL its taxes to the HMRC.

Then along comes Labour Candidate who says that to raise money in order to fund UK schools and to pay Benefits to UK citizens and to increase the salaries of UK GPs, you MUST pay taxes on ALL your company profits in Gusau, Nigeria to the UK govt, in addition of all the taxes you have paid to the FIRS in Nigeria.
In other words, your Zobo factory in Bath pays taxes to HMRC only, whereas your Ankara company in Gusau is expected to pay taxes to both the FIRS and the HMRC.


Which kind sense be that?


So much for Labour wanting to fund the UK from non dom status taxes.

Give me a break!

I remember the debate between Trump and Hillary where she accused him of not paying taxes. Baba agreed with his full chest and said you have been in Congress for donkey years, why haven't you changed the rules, your donors take advantage of the loopholes too.
The reason they are making noise is to give them an advantage at the polls, I Don't want to believe labour MPs and supporters don't avoid tax tax using the non Dom rules.

Two conclusions I have come to with govt and the economy are: 1. Government does not care about you 2. You can't tax your way to prosperity.
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Ticha:


Nope. Hasn't finished paying. At this rate, it'll take about 8 years plus to get all his arrears back!

Banks don't care if tenants pay or not. Their contract is with you the home owner, you default, you lose the house and get a credit black mark as well.

Dang

OgbeniOptional:


U fit love this country more than the locals? U better make your money and be happy. I relate with colleagues who are locals and talk politics and the reasons Rishi seems to be better to them than Boris is that he never partied during Covid and never lied to the queen or something. I also feel Starmer is promising some things that are not %100 realistic. Who even take politicians serious nowadays?

My brother I always have a laugh anytime I remember say na ogogoro make Boris loose im position

OgbeniOptional:
Abeg I want to understand something o, assuming someone is on graduate visa and his family are already in UK. Let’s say he got sponsorship in healthcare after spring, will the UK send dependents back home? I have people panicking over this really.

That’s the new rule except he gets a job in the nhs

ehizario2012:



Hmmm... In my first week in this country, I took a train to Rotherham from Sheffield and paid £5.6 in cash inside the train, on my way back I paid the same £5.6 in cash. The conductors were white, a lady to, and a guy fro. It was only me that day, I went to confirm our accomodation.

Following day, I packed my family and all my children inside train to Rotherham, got there as usual, met a white conductor outside the train and told him I'll be paying cash inside the train he said no problem. Lo and behold, the conductor I saw was a black man, he asked for tickets and I said I am paying cash. Next thing, this black man gave me a ticket of £100 for not buying a ticket before boarding the train... My protests and samples of receipts of previous journeys fell on deaf ears. I felt so embarrassed with my kids. That's how we do ourselves, over sabi na e dey kill some of us. Over do!!! He definitely came in as a migrant too! If na Lagos we dey, I for use something do am.

Morning Boss.
I work in that sector and can tell you that our people push through the gate without paying for their fare on daily basis.
The annoying part of it is you see Granny,with their child in early 40's and Grandkids (teens) intentionally traveling without paying for their fare. They all believe the transport shd be free but you see them at the Airport travelling abroad with a family of 6.
For London people,na God knows how much they even dey generate as income.if U waka go Peckham Rye na minority of dem you see paying Train ticket.
Thank your destiny that you were issued a penalty fare and not prosecution.
God bless

ehizario2012:



Hmmm... In my first week in this country, I took a train to Rotherham from Sheffield and paid £5.6 in cash inside the train, on my way back I paid the same £5.6 in cash. The conductors were white, a lady to, and a guy fro. It was only me that day, I went to confirm our accomodation.

Following day, I packed my family and all my children inside train to Rotherham, got there as usual, met a white conductor outside the train and told him I'll be paying cash inside the train he said no problem. Lo and behold, the conductor I saw was a black man, he asked for tickets and I said I am paying cash. Next thing, this black man gave me a ticket of £100 for not buying a ticket before boarding the train... My protests and samples of receipts of previous journeys fell on deaf ears. I felt so embarrassed with my kids. That's how we do ourselves, over sabi na e dey kill some of us. Over do!!! He definitely came in as a migrant too! If na Lagos we dey, I for use something do am.

It is all your fault, you should have bought ticket with the cash, you know the rules.

Meanwhile, these laws were never put in place because they saw you, it has been here before you arrive. I know you were thinking he ought to show sympathy, especially when you were with kids, but doing so means he isn't doing his job well....yes he cannot be fining whites and leave Blacks.

I found myself in doing that kind of job at some point here and I know he was expected to bring in some numbers on a daily, so they won't listen & can call in the police.
I couldn't take it then, so I began to find an alternative ASAP because I have issued tickets to people who cried that they do not have enough money ;YET, I showed no concern because the pressure was behind me.

Although the JOB made me to know what the Police are facing back at home (to bring something IN) which has made them to be brutal.

ehizario2012:


Nice one. I thought of this too and it was what finally calmed me down. The black guy actually had limited options. Maybe na ontop e head Dem for apply the rule to the letter! I expected people to have said that since but instead na so so law Dem dey quote. I understood his limitations.

lol....my guy you dey whine me abi...No be im calm you down ooo, and you didn't think of it then😁. You only just realised it now, cos if you realised this at the time, you still won't be pissed about the experience now. Lavida001 gave a very very wise take, even I didn't reason it to that level. With his take, it is easy to see why we shouldn't be in a haste to judge certain things, and from the foregoing, to not take some things personal. Anyway, what is past is past. Now you know he probably was just trying to play safe and follow the rules, and was not 'doing too much' despite being a fellow black. Tru tru, bridge wey whitey go cross and nothing go happen, if blackie sef cross am, the speed with which the bridge go collapse go shock am..lol

deept:


My brother, I was going to say same thing.

I was in a position like this years ago at one logistics company like that giving juicy routes to our people. Just one day where I knew the supervisors were watching, did everything by the book 100% ant our people didn't get what they wanted, I was called names by same people I had always given an advantage. They expected me to favour them at the risk of me losing my job then. People are selfish and of they don't get their way there is always tag you badly.

eggzactly ooo....that is one thing I believe many people can learn from this back and forth.

deept:


I remember the debate between Trump and Hillary where she accused him of not paying taxes. Baba agreed with his full chest and said you have been in Congress for donkey years, why haven't you changed the rules, your donors take advantage of the loopholes too.
The reason they are making noise is to give them an advantage at the polls, I Don't want to believe labour MPs and supporters don't avoid tax tax using the non Dom rules.

Two conclusions I have come to with govt and the economy are: 1. Government does not care about you 2. You can't tax your way to prosperity.
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na so. Tax avoidance is different from tax evasion. One is legal....and legal means legal. Shikena😁💯

Goke7:


That’s the new rule except he gets a job in the nhs

the sheer amount of applications that will start hitting the NHS from now ehn.... E go choooooooookee. Lol

Treadway:
the sheer amount of applications that will start hitting the NHS from now ehn.... E go choooooooookee. Lol

Make Una take am easy no crash the nhs website o, before dem change am again for us as immigrants 😂

Ticha:
Toh Australia is flexing their immigration policies powers too. There are also calls for caps on international...

And on top of this, is it true there are no tax free thresholds for foreigners? The way UK leaves 12570 before they start the 19/20% tax?