Hkana:


And on top of this, is it true there are no tax free thresholds for foreigners? The way UK leaves 12570 before they start the 19/20% tax?

None. You're taxed from your very first dollar earned! Lowest tax band is also 33% (10% for under18s). All savings and investments are also taxed so nothing like ISAs or LISAs.

Ticha:


None. You're taxed from your very first dollar earned! Lowest tax band is also 33% (10% for under18s). All savings and investments are also taxed so nothing like ISAs or LISAs.

Sounds like the kind of taxation a certain Labour politician wishes for the UK.

Hello Ticha,
Given your submission, I am kinda perplexed. Why then do we have NHS doctors leaving in droves and moving to Australia & NZ ?… at least so says the UK shadow cabinet et al. Does a ‘Junior Doctor’ earn up to AUD $150,000 annually? So that even with 33% tax, they go home with lots and lots and are able to comfortably live, pay off mortgages and buy second holiday homes etc….

i have a simple but tricky question for you though..

Are we even treated as a 1st class citizen in our own country, Nigeria?

Do you know what it means to be a 1st class citizen?

Anyways that's a discussion for another day..

lavida001:


In all of this all i have to say is as a black man you will always be a second class citizen in a white mans land. if you like get ILR

lavida001:


50M+ and still japa no be juju be that. Can never be me tho. Did he give any reason for his decision other than APC and BAT.

would like to learn.

Sometimes, its not about the money

missjekyll:
You lost me, i wont lie.
The non dom status is unconscionable
and unfair ,lying that you are not domiciled here when your whole family is here and you have a UK job you have to go to everymorning.
You ride on roads you dont pay for, are protected by police you dont pay for, look at clean streets you dont pay for, You are not contributing to the training of your kids teachers or your own doctors and nurses .
All the politicians and members of their family discovered doing it had to stop it and start paying full tax eg Rishis wife.
Even they know its indefensible. Its about time it was stopped.

Not entirely correct. They pay tax on their UK income which entitles them to use the services you have mentioned. Whether it’s morally acceptable or not is another discussion.

Goke7:


That’s the new rule except he gets a job in the nhs

Mehn, these new rules dey do my head in tbh as it looks like its all over the place

i thought getting a sponsored job helps without limitations or whats the catch with all the new rules

I don tire

Ticha, thanks for this... all i have been saying..all i have been freaking saying

I provided visa approval data and links of even Australia revising their immigration laws....

Provided % of immigrants data to Total population...

Till today, no data to back their emotional responses....

Some said it is because I settled status which i don't have... i still paid the IHS and visa fees last year.. i'm affected

Some said i have oppressed mentality.... meanwhile they don't look in the mirror.. .. when you keep that mindset, you're actually the one being oppressed.. the oppression has a great real estate in their minds

You can keep migrating and keep complaining because no country is perfect when it comes to immigration

There are countries that will want 1 million immigrants, but they do it in milestones over a period of time... No country will just open their borders to 1 million immigrants at once

They do it in stages and review each stage to see the pressure on the amenities and system (people, culture, facilities, budget, etc).

If you fail to plan, you plan to fail

That's where Nigeria has failed.. we don't even know how true population, and so how do we then plan? Policies are done by trial and error .. no data.. just implement half-baked policies and steal money

Ticha:
Toh Australia is flexing their immigration policies powers too. There are also calls for caps on international student numbers and over all immigration numbers. The truth is they're targeting reduction to some specific nationalities but they obviously can't say those specific nationalities are not welcome so everyone gets caught in the reduction.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/11/labor-targets-student-and-some-worker-visas-in-overhaul-of-australias-temporary-migration-program

A very close family member has just received her student visa to Australia for a PhD. She paid an initial deposit was £27k and £15k of that was health insurance for a family of 3 for 3 years and the rest was one full semester's fees upfront.

Then she also had to pay £289 to the state government to apply for an approval to enrol her children in a state school - there are no school fees because she is a PhD student but if she was going as a masters student, she would have had to also pay school fees of £1800 per year, per child upfront and attach receipts to the visa application.

Medicals cost N210k and her daughter had to redo her medicals twice as she was just on the threshold for weight - basically they put her on a diet for 2 weeks o so she could fall under the weight threshold.

Visa fees was approx £450 so that wasn't too bad.

She had to provide 12 months statements of accounts with the last 6 months of the 12 months showing a closing balance of a minimum of £40k.

The visa took almost 5 months to process and she had to defer her start date twice. They then requested an updated bank statement 2 days before they issued the visa.

The upside is that she can work full time all year round as a PhD student and the dept gave her 27 hours straight away. Masters and lower quals can only work 40 hours a fortnight in term time and full time over the breaks.

The salary threshold for work visas is around £34k ish and average salaries are around £47k so not too bad as a starting point for skilled migrants.

Australia houses their asylum seekers mostly offshore and have always done that;

Under the Migration Act 1958 (Cth) (the Migration Act), asylum seekers who arrive in Australia, whether on the mainland or an 'excised offshore place', without a valid visa must be held in immigration detention until they are granted a visa or removed from Australia.

Immigration detention in Australia is indefinite – there is no limit in law or policy to the length of time for which a person may be detained.

If you change your mind and don't want to seek asylum anymore, you basically have to wait your turn to be processed and because you're not on the mainland, you can't even get out of the place!

NZ is more humane but they take a very, very small number of asylum seekers and no one get liver to cross sea come here. It has some of the choppiest waters in the world. So all asylum seekers come by invitation and the numbers are tightly controlled.

Average salaries in NZ is about £30k and the minimum salary for a skilled migrant visa is £40k.

Both countries have age caps of 45 years max. Unless you're mega wealthy then it's 55 years for those visa categories.

NZ does also have parent visas so you can bring your parents after you gain residency but you must have a combined house hold income of £41k if bringing one parent or £61k if bringing both parents and they must pass a health and character check. Children are also dependants until 24 as long as they remain in education or training and do not have a child themselves,

What both Australia and NZ have going for them is the sheer amount of jobs with not enough skilled people to do it. Even our PM has at least 3 ministerial portfolios in addition to being the PM! Majority of immigrants leave once they gain either PR or citizenship so the vacancies are never really filled. Even Israel Adesanya has japa-ed to the US!

Both countries also are very selective and harsh when it comes to immigration. NZ is the size of the UK with only 5.5m people and their citizens shout about how the country is over run by immigrants - probably not surprising as majority of them were originally British (mainly Scottish and Irish) so they're expert whingers about every single thing! They as usual also play political football with immigration rules all the time.

Australia is about 32 times the size of the UK with 22m people and again they whinge about uncontrolled immigration. Just like the Kiwis, they're all also mostly originally British (convicts, general immigrants and explorers). Let us not even start on the racism in Australia and the way they treat the aborigines.

Anyhow - we must survive, we must emigrate and we must succeed and we will rule with them when the time comes whether they like it or not

Peerielass:


Not entirely correct. They pay tax on their UK income which entitles them to use the services you have mentioned. Whether it’s morally acceptable or not is another discussion.

MissJelyll will not mention that. She will refuse to say the fact, which is that they do pay their fair share of taxes on their UK income.

Are you surprised she refused to engage when I gave the Gusau & Cornwall factory analogy?

Lies bro... you didn't understand his limitations

If you did, you won't have judged him quick and given him the "migrant" tag...

You won't have been that angry that you wanted to "hit" him

You're now changing goal post and forming you understood his limitations

ehizario2012:


Nice one. I thought of this too and it was what finally calmed me down. The black guy actually had limited options. Maybe na ontop e head Dem for apply the rule to the letter! I expected people to have said that since but instead na so so law Dem dey quote. I understood his limitations.

profemebee:
Ticha, thanks for this... all i have been saying..all i have been freaking saying

I provided visa approval data and links of even Australia revising their immigration laws....

Provided % of immigrants data to Total population...

Till today, no data to back their emotional responses....

Some said it is because I settled status which i don't have... i still paid the IHS and visa fees last year.. i'm affected

Some said i have oppressed mentality.... meanwhile they don't look in the mirror.. .. when you keep that mindset, you're actually the one being oppressed.. the oppression has a great real estate in their minds

You can keep migrating and keep complaining because no country is perfect when it comes to immigration

There are countries that will want 1 million immigrants, but they do it in milestones over a period of time... No country will just open their borders to 1 million immigrants at once

They do it in stages and review each stage to see the pressure on the amenities and system (people, culture, facilities, budget, etc).

Even France’s Emmanuel Macron who (and his supporters) speak so much bile (I use the word intentionally) on Marie Le Pen. Guess who sent an ‘anti immigration’ bill to Parliament? No. You guessed wrong. It wasn’t Marie Le Pen. It was EMMANUEL MACRON.

ReesheesuKnack:


Even France’s Emmanuel Macron who (and his supporters) speak so much bile (I use the word intentionally) on Marie Le Pen. Guess who sent an ‘anti immigration’ bill to Parliament? No. You guessed wrong. It wasn’t Marie Le Pen. It was EMMANUEL MACRON.

deept:


I remember the debate between Trump and Hillary where she accused him of not paying taxes. Baba agreed with his full chest and said you have been in Congress for donkey years, why haven't you changed the rules, your donors take advantage of the loopholes too.
The reason they are making noise is to give them an advantage at the polls, I Don't want to believe labour MPs and supporters don't avoid tax tax using the non Dom rules.

Two conclusions I have come to with govt and the economy are: 1. Government does not care about you 2. You can't tax your way to prosperity.
1

Exactly! I have been here long enough to know that both Labour, the Tories and SNP are out to screw me over so I’m apolitical. Labour is making noise up and down, in my opinion things were actually worse for immigrants in 2007 - 2010 when they were in power. British jobs for British graduates etc!

Thanks for this enlightening post. I wish I had this info earlier this year

After watching too much "Wanted Down Under", I encouraged husby to consider those recruiters always disturbing him for jobs in Australia with all expenses paid. After he got that job and I started researching, I realised we might not be better off for years especially as they were not offering PR. The stamp duty to buy a house is so high for those without PR. We will have to pay health insurance and also pay some amount to send our children to school. I thought it was only the UK that it was difficult to rent a house, but realised it was also difficult to rent a house in Australia.
Also, contrary to what I thought, it was going to be a pay cut for me as well.

We decided to stay put in the Uk and enjoy our "small" house without swimming pool.

Ticha:
Toh Australia is flexing their immigration policies powers too. There are also calls for caps on international student numbers and over all immigration numbers. The truth is they're targeting reduction to some specific nationalities but they obviously can't say those specific nationalities are not welcome so everyone gets caught in the reduction.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/dec/11/labor-targets-student-and-some-worker-visas-in-overhaul-of-australias-temporary-migration-program

A very close family member has just received her student visa to Australia for a PhD. She paid an initial deposit was £27k and £15k of that was health insurance for a family of 3 for 3 years and the rest was one full semester's fees upfront.


What both Australia and NZ have going for them is the sheer amount of jobs with not enough skilled people to do it. Even our PM has at least 3 ministerial portfolios in addition to being the PM! Majority of immigrants leave once they gain either PR or citizenship so the vacancies are never really filled. Even Israel Adesanya has japa-ed to the US!

Both countries also are very selective and harsh when it comes to immigration. NZ is the size of the UK with only 5.5m people and their citizens shout about how the country is over run by immigrants - probably not surprising as majority of them were originally British (mainly Scottish and Irish) so they're expert whingers about every single thing! They as usual also play political football with immigration rules all the time.

Australia is about 32 times the size of the UK with 22m people and again they whinge about uncontrolled immigration. Just like the Kiwis, they're all also mostly originally British (convicts, general immigrants and explorers). Let us not even start on the racism in Australia and the way they treat the aborigines.

Anyhow - we must survive, we must emigrate and we must succeed and we will rule with them when the time comes whether they like it or not

Goke7:


That’s the new rule except he gets a job in the nhs

Yes they are in NHS as support workers but the trust don’t sponsor 3 months before current visa expiration which is beyond spring. Wawu so them go tell wife to go home? Not making sense to me really

I have a railcard but the only times I've been specifically asked to present it had been at the instance of the black rail commercial team members.

The truth is, the social media fools and useless tiktokers are part of why rules are changing. If u understand covert racism/discrimination, you will these countries do not want Nigeria. No government would be happy when you openly talk about the loopholes in their policies. A manager in health and social care told me their international recruitment's direct them that they shouldn’t accept applications from Nigeria and Zimbabwe but they can accept from Ghana, SA and those Asian countries like Philippines, he said he doesn’t understand why he has to reject good applicants because of that. They won’t come out to say we don’t want Nigerians or Zimbabweans nah but they filter applications.


The day I caught one British nurse watching Daddy freeze on YouTube ehn, Mo fo. The way we demonize our continent is at our own disadvantage. They will never respect us and u will never be accepted to this British culture even make u later become citizen, no matter how u try

lavida001:


They will argue that their great grand parent have been paying tax for generations So they deserve the credit. Well I don’t blame them. Until we build were we come from and make it attractive and economical viable. We will keep explaining tire tire

That is not entirely true, the British has always live off other people’s wealth and struggles, when they are not looting and stealing from other countries they take them as slaves to work in banana plantations .
And they have a way of keeping control of people they once dealt with… look at commonwealth.. is like WhatsApp group of British baby mamas.


One thing I respect British for though is that they always bring it home to develop their country unlike in Africa where we stole and send to other countries.

hustla:


Mehn, these new rules dey do my head in tbh as it looks like its all over the place

i thought getting a sponsored job helps without limitations or whats the catch with all the new rules

I don tire

The truth is many don't know the level of impact now until implementation begins, lots of folks who think it's a good idea will have a change of mind soon. Many are going to be stranded, simple.

I just suffered a power outage...... NEPA don carry light for UK .......😜🤣

This is very unlikely. If you are already in the UK with your dependants, I believe there will be a concession for such people. Why did I say so? When the rule not to allow undergrads to bring their dependants started, they still allowed those with dependants inside UK.

It will be so mean for them to do this and will cause a lot of people to become overstayers

OgbeniOptional:
Abeg I want to understand something o, assuming someone is on graduate visa and his family are already in UK. Let’s say he got sponsorship in healthcare after spring, will the UK send dependents back home? I have people panicking over this really.

Goke7:


The truth is many don't know the level of impact now until implementation begins, lots of folks who think it's a good idea will have a change of mind soon. Many are going to be stranded, simple.

Abeg, can you explain what it means as of now?

If I get a tech job that pays 38,700, how does it apply to me?

If I get a healthcare / support role, how does it apply to me?

Lexusgs430:
I just suffered a power outage...... NEPA don carry light for UK .......😜🤣

who we go blame now?

profemebee:
Lies bro... you didn't understand his limitations

If you did, you won't have judged him quick and given him the "migrant" tag...

You won't have been that angry that you wanted to "hit" him

You're now changing goal post and forming you understood his limitations

It's a waste of time responding to you. I wasted this one.

hustla:


Abeg, can you explain what it means as of now?

If I get a tech job that pays 38,700, how does it apply to me?

If I get a healthcare / support role, how does it apply to me?

dependents can still come in but on care/support after April no dependant.

Goke7:


who we go blame now?

Tinubu........😜🤣


I was receiving my daily fix of 90 Day Fiancé 2023...... Everything just off .......😜

Peerielass:


Exactly! I have been here long enough to know that both Labour, the Tories and SNP are out to screw me over so I’m apolitical. Labour is making noise up and down, in my opinion things were actually worse for immigrants in 2007 - 2010 when they were in power. British jobs for British graduates etc!

Lol, this is true - not as bad as Theresa may 's government, but some of the more challenging immigration policies were introduced or conceptualised in the final years of the last Labour government.
I've said it several times that Keir will not be the liberal pro migration PM that Blair was.Many of Labour's policies are actually similar to the Tories and vice versa.
And lets not forget the mighty U turn that Libdems did when they reneged on their manifesto promise on tuition fees.
Bottom line - like @reesheesuknack said , labour nor any party is messianic, we just have to keep applying pressure on them to act right.

bigtt76:
I have a railcard but the only times I've been specifically asked to present it had been at the instance of the black rail commercial team members.

.. And only white people have ever asked me for it so it goes both ways

Infact, the only time I made a mistake and didnt pay, it was a black guy and he explained what happened to me. Also told me i can get a refund

OgbeniOptional:


Yes they are in NHS as support workers but the trust don’t sponsor 3 months before current visa expiration which is beyond spring. Wawu so them go tell wife to go home? Not making sense to me really

hmmm that one go choke but since they are in NHS, will they not be exempted? another grey area

hustla:



.. And only white people have ever asked me for it so it goes both ways

Infact, the only time I made a mistake and didnt pay, it was a black guy and he explained what happened to me. Also told me i can get a refund

So immediately I got the ticket, I went online to read more and saw that I needed to buy tickets before boarding, except at some small stations where tickets aren't sold. By the rules, I was wrong and accepted it. That's why I immediately paid the £50.

But that still didn't take away the anger I felt towards the guy, especially after two whites had attended to me without any fuss. It was truly an if looks could kill moment... But in retrospect, I thought about his constraints. He might not get away with things the whites would get away with.

Finally, it's better to know ones place at all times. Regardless of the accomodation, we should never forget the deep fault lines - natural fault lines.

Thanks everyone. We good.

Goke7:


who we go blame now?

Immigrants.

They have overloaded the power grid