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Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by Gerrard59(m): 5:45am On Dec 13, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Regarding 500K as monthly income, it depends on the industry and role one is employed at. The reality is: the industries that can afford such a salary is few compared to developed countries, especially in Anglo-Saxon countries. That is what we tend to forget. Also, such a salary is only available in Lagos, Abuja, Port-harcourt and maybe, just maybe, Kano. Outside those places, salaries are very low and depressing for the residents. Yes, the living costs are also low, but most times, there are very few "good paying" jobs by Nigerian standards available in those places. Statistics say most Nigerians work in the agricultural sector, which is largely subsistent. What I want to know is how that is between southern Nigerian and northern Nigeria. To be on the fair side, I don't like converting naira earnings to dollars as living costs differ. In Japan, a salary of Y10 million/$100K per annum is classified as very good, but entry level in the US. However, there are diverse industries which pay such in Japan compared to Nigeria. There's lots of data I'd like to know about Nigeria. What percentage of people over age 50 own a cement home from which they commute to their work...but do you even call it a modern, up to date home if it doesn't have running water? One of the issues I have regarding discourse about Nigeria is the lack of accurate and well-researched data to support certain claims we see around. The Lagos state government, National Bureau of Statistics and McKinsey do well enough to compile these data. Still, I would love to see more publicised and the methodologies used. As for running water, I think we would have to define these amenities using Nigerian standards, most of which might not align with global standards. But for relatable sake, the standards should be Nigerianised. If you ask whether running water is available, the next question will be: is it clean? Is it privately financed or from a public authority? With that, one has erased half of homes with running water in Nigeria. How many Nigerian adults over age 21 own a car? In a country where "new" is generally means a scrapped, unsafe car disposed off as unusable in the USA, then exported to Nigeria. It is an appropriate question considering Nigeria is a big country by landmass compared to Japan, Singapore, Taiwan or Hong Kong. As outlined above, we would have to define "new" using Nigerian standards. If a new car is, say 2010>, one can say very few Nigerians above that age own such, let alone a new one. The age also has to be increased because most people in that age range are still with their parents, and because of cultural reasons, many might not buy a car. So, make it 30> or better still 35>. I've repeated it many a time, I personally know working Nigerians earning $500 to $1500 per day in Nigeria, but the question remains - how many such people would you meet at MMIA on an average day? They're so rare as to be irrelevant to any discussion about the economic prospects of an average Nigerian citizen. While using dollars makes it understandable for a global audience, we have to consider the living costs in Nigeria and standards. Anyone earn those figures is in the upper middle class. I agree that the numbers are so tiny compared to the general population. I think this report do a good justice: https://businessday.ng/business-economy/article/nigerias-dollar-millionaire-club-shrinks-30-in-a-decade/ 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by PARADIZEPRIEST: 5:47am On Dec 13, 2023 |
PARADIZEPRIEST:Same GSK JUST LEFT KENYA,NAIJA IS NO EXCEPTION,THE MORE FOREIGN COMPANIES LEAVE,THE LESS PRESSURE ON OUR FOREIGN EXCHANGE TO PAY FOR THEIR EXCESS IN DOLLARS. THIS GSK THAT LEFT IS MORE BUSINES FOR INDEGENOUS PHARMACEUTICAL MANUFACTURERS AND MORE CHINA. IF YOU DONT UNDERSTAND ECONOMICS ,GO BACK TO SCHOOL NIGERIA IS HEALING FROM LAST 8YRS ECONOMIC MISRULE,AND YOU NEED ONE FULL FISCAL CALENDER TO ASSESS THE PROGRESS. |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by steeltrust: 5:49am On Dec 13, 2023 |
sukkot:I'm ready for that so for now lemme focus on my gaol and one of it is to travel outta naija which I’ve achieved and the rest to come So live death Let face life first 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by sukkot: 6:06am On Dec 13, 2023 |
steeltrust:all the best bro. But try go taste of Chicago lol |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by hammed71(m): 6:44am On Dec 13, 2023 |
sukkot:this guy lol 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by sukkot: 6:46am On Dec 13, 2023 |
hammed71: |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by victory36(m): 7:02am On Dec 13, 2023 |
isArray:so which countries do you suggest will accommodate 200m+ Nigerians? Sometimes you guys talk without reasoning |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by ZoomTravels: 7:04am On Dec 13, 2023 |
onadana: Not all about Money? I beg to differ. Let's ask those sleeping on the street of Canada right now, Every single thing about travelling is Money and Knowledge (like seriously who uses agents anymore?). Happy you got your visa, but guess what it's a fact that rejection are lower when applying from any other country than Nigeria. (would have you saved you time and effort on almost 10 rejections) 2 Likes |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by Bostin(m): 7:43am On Dec 13, 2023 |
I have 2bedroom bungalow for sale at roofing level if anyone is interested DM . |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by kay29000(m): 8:29am On Dec 13, 2023 |
Geovanni412: Lol |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by isArray: 10:06am On Dec 13, 2023 |
victory36:Of course not everyone can japa, that's why Nigeria needs to work! 2 Likes |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by Chee59(f): 10:20am On Dec 13, 2023 |
Agbado people too want to jump ship. And japa. Isn't Tinubu the Lord and saviour of Nigeria no more? Bloody fools 1 Like |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by XAUBulls: 10:25am On Dec 13, 2023 |
sukkot:Greetings to you Sukkot. Hope you're doing great right now? Not Chicago, it was in Philadelphia. She got shot in Philadelphia in March 2021. Najeebat Sule was 24 while doing her PhD program then, and her father's name is Adewale Sule. The incident was quite painful to read back in 2021... even till now. Choosing the right neighborhood or U.S. State to live in really matters. I found one of the many web links on the story which you can fully read below: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9423903/amp/Nigerian-beauty-queen-PhD-student-24-shot-dead-sitting-Philadelphia.html https://www.forbes.com/sites/laurabegleybloom/2018/09/27/revealed-the-15-most-dangerous-places-to-live/?sh=2cb7b58a4706 |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by XAUBulls: 10:54am On Dec 13, 2023 |
Gerrard59:Very insightful analyses from you, and same with the well-respected Henley & Partners report below. ~~~~~~ https://businessday.ng/business-economy/article/nigerias-dollar-millionaire-club-shrinks-30-in-a-decade/ |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by creativehubb: 11:31am On Dec 13, 2023 |
Topmaike007:You are a village monkey, people go abroad for holidays, they don't have to slave their life away. Slave mentality kill you there. Na suffer head you be, that's why you wan come nairaland to form for your papa...mumu poor man. |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by creativehubb: 11:34am On Dec 13, 2023 |
isArray:If you are doing well you won't come to nairaland to spew such bitterness. Na suffer head work you dey do. Men dey chill collect millions, at 40 you dey drive truck up and down, nothing to be proud about... enjoy your modern day slavery in humility. |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by creativehubb: 11:36am On Dec 13, 2023 |
ImoleNaija:No mind them, by their posts and comment, you know they are dumb, likely criminals or on minimum wage jobs...still poor over there, eating junk food. 2 Likes |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by creativehubb: 11:37am On Dec 13, 2023 |
DEBJOCH1:See how dumb you are, check how much European nations make from corn yearly... |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by maternal: 12:35pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
Validated: I have the same experience. I have many friends who left Canada and went back after school. Instead of staying to get citizenship. They were the naija 4 life crowd. They'd even laugh at me saying I couldn't make it in naija. As for me, if a building is on fire and I escape it, why would I run back in ? Years go by and they were forming online pretending everything was good. 10 years later, those who were able to run back, all cameback to Canada. They had to borrow money to even afford their Japa back to Canada. Most couldn't afford it and live EVERYDAY with regrets. The ones who cameback have to start their hustle from the start. Meanwhile, me and the Mrs are comfortable with 2 properties (1 is being rented out), government jobs with job security and amazing benefits, Canadian passports, small pikin with an already bright future. My point is YOU CANNOT BUY BACK TIME. Don't waste your time forming naija 4 life. Always do what's in you and your families best interests. The ones who were fortunate to return cannot believe how they wasted 10 years of their lives going back to naija. Literally no progression in 10 years. Anyone who lives in a developed nation knows how much you can accomplish in 10 years. The ones here who are against japa are mainly bitter and unhappy. You know the guy that couldn't get the babe. So he starts insulting her ? Trust me, give them a Canadian passport tomorrow, watch how fast They'd be on the next plane out. You don't know how much your mental health is being affected in naija, until you move to sane country where everything works 9 Likes |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by aycorporat(m): 12:46pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
Goodnewsforlife: My brother I reason your line However, the way the Forex is being thwarted looks as if money dey am And as everybody dey try hustle, e come be like say na him be the way out |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by IbeOkehie: 1:02pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
Gerrard59: Gerrard59: We're doing comparisons across borders, so NIGERIAN STANDARDS don't apply You made at least 2 references to living costs. There is a world middle class standard of living. I know I've listed the ingredients that contribute to that standard, public and private amenities inclusive. No matter the country, those standards are the same. For example, world middle class standard means having an indoor enclosed flush toilet. Any family not using one is NOT living at world middle class standard. Most humans beings PREFER to live at a minimum middle class standard. There's very few Nigerians living in Nigeria that ever attain that middle class living standard and it's been that way for DECADES, even in the boom years of the 1970's Nigeria was still very, very, poor. The incomes in Nigeria are abysmal due to low productivity. Productivity is suppressed by an essentially communist economic system. Add to that, Nigeria has a VERY HIGH COST OF LIVING even in medium sized or 2nd tier localities like Calabar or Owerri. Just the cost of food alone in Nigeria is prohibitive. I lived in Nigeria as a relatively prosperous bachelor so I know. This has nothing to do with currency conversion but the ABILITY TO EARN THE MONEY to buy middle class goods and services. And some of the public amenities that contribute to middle class living standards are simply unavailable. We agree that ₦500K or $500 is a very high monthly income in Nigeria. In all seriousness, what kind of life can that get you in Nigeria? This thread makes the point well - https://www.nairaland.com/7929193/see-what-someone-bought-hour On this thread - https://www.nairaland.com/7421487/abroad-guys-relocate-back-nigeria/19#118895342 I posted a video tour of a government subsidized apartment for poor people in the USA. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihiZzv9Y4p0 Truth is over 95% of Nigerians in Nigeria can't afford to rent or buy a similar quality home/apartment in a medium sized town in Nigeria. There's a very strong desire to migrate from Nigeria and for very good reasons. How can a University graduate with expectations of at least a middle class life achieve it in a country where less than 0.5% of workers earn over $200 or ₦200K per month and a 50kg bag of rice is $50? The person who drives a car I left behind in Nigeria tells me it now costs over ₦50K to fill the tank. It's no wonder so many car owners are permanently parking their vehicles. Nigeria makes me sad but the people have brought this situation on themselves. Unfortunately the USA seems headed the same way, I guess it's the human condition. Good Luck to All. |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by sukkot: 1:52pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
XAUBulls:ok my Chief, i remember that story. its sad. these people dont value human life. that girl gone just like that. well the good book does say to be absent in body is to be present with God so she is in a better place than the hells of killadelphia 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by Richfella1(m): 3:02pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
Rayd502: helpdesk@customs.gov.ng 1 Like |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by simongonner: 3:28pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
BigDawsNet:you have said it all. Right to enjoy Basic needs. In Nigeria the common man struggle for everything . No 24/7 pipe borne water/power, bad roads ,poor health care , insecurity (kidnappers, bandits e.t.c), police brutality, judiciary is corrupt, politicians are demi gods, it goes on and on. Lots of reason to Japa if anyone has the opportunity |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by isArray: 3:54pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
creativehubb:Hehehehe, you should audition for a comedy show 😁 |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by JagabanB: 4:03pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
Great0ne1:Most of the people who are in the class he's talking about are not interested in japa, that's why they are in Nigèria, u dón't belong in that class, most of u talk about japa doñ't beIong in that class, with ur kind of reply, u will likely ñèvèr achieve anything worthwhile in ur Iifètimè. |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by JagabanB: 4:03pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
Mcslize:Does ur comment have any meaning? Because I have read it over and over again and it doesn't make any meaning. |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by IbeOkehie: 4:05pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
Geovanni412: Wow this is a very good and reasonably accurate Anti-Japa comment. Thanks a lot for putting it up. I've lived in the USA for over 30 years. I've relocated back to Nigeria, re-migrated back to USA. I've observed children grow from birth to adulthood in both Nigeria and USA/UK, I've consorted with the poor and rich and I think I have a reasonable handle on the issues. To use the popular witticism, I've seen it all. The major suppressing factor against wealth building for Nigerians living abroad is their financial commitments to Nigeria in general and their relatives in particular. The sad part of all this is that most people in Nigeria have a passionate hatred for any diasporan relative who is helping them. I've seen and experienced this personally over many years and generations. You can even get a sense of it on this Nairaland. You can smell the hatred and JEALOUSY. I could tell you some very terrible stories. There was a close friend I once travelled with to Nigeria. He had $60K on his person, declared and everything. Ordinary worker, not involved in any fraud or crime. He got to Nigeria and gave the money to his brother who lives in Nigeria to hold, deposit or change to naira. Do you know that to this very moment I'm talking to you, he's not seen that money again. This was over 15 years ago. And that's not anywhere near the worst case I've personally witnessed. There's a doctor that wanted to buy land, it was $70K. He saw the land and in the village, sometimes you go with your people to negotiate. Anyway, he paid and all that was left was the final ceremony called "iwa nnu", it may have different names among other Igbo clans. He went back to the USA and left his brother to do the rite. When the day came, his brother told the seller the doctor was no longer interested. The seller returned the money and the doctor hasn't seen a dime of it till today. Me myself I couldn't actually believe the thing o, even till now. And the doctor, well he's a rich guy, he just laughs about it. So my advice to diasporans, I preach it here to all the people in my social circle, is to leave Nigeria and Nigerians alone. At the most, build a small tiny house in the village or maybe the city if your (extended) family has no house at all. The ONLY time a diasporan should start putting money into Nigeria is when they have an annual income of at least $250K for a single person or $300K per family. Or have a net worth of over $500K. The ONLY thing a diasporan should aim to do for relatives is to bring them to the USA or wherever they want to migrate to. Make it a priority, work on it desperately until it's done. Give them that credible choice to come and earn for themselves and if they feel Nigeria is better, good for them, that frees you from any dependency. All those your claims of poverty for people abroad, well if that's what you feel that's fine. If Nigerians abroad are so poor, how do they remit $10 to $25 billion per year? Even the Nigerian Federal Government's total revenue in 2022 wasn't over $15 billion. That your uncle who spends enough money to transport 4 or 6 people to Nigeria, I hope he earns over $250K/yr? If he earns less, he's just foolish, not poor. I was once like him, so I kinda understand. Right now it will cost him over $15K to make a holiday trip to Nigeria assuming one has to ship in a car and make other sundry preparations. Why not save that, add some more and put a down payment on a small house in America that can grow in value over time...instead of wasting it on a useless trip to go and spend dollars on jealous and hateful relatives in the village. Anyway I've lived the reality and I know that Nigeria's title as the Poverty Capital of the World is well deserved. Have a good day and Good Luck to Nigerians. 10 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by Topmaike007(m): 4:26pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
creativehubb:mumu na market monkey that's what you are ..is this present Nigeria better where a woman was arrested and jailed for condemning the killing of an innocent Christian girl Abeg no come here dey sweet talk Nigeria for where I dey abeg 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by Mcslize: 4:34pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
JagabanB: How will you understand when you dropped out of school? You can never understand cuz you voted APC into power for the second time. Now you're grinding your teeth. Opio! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by JagabanB: 4:36pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
Mcslize:Combine ur fada's certificate and schooling together with urs and bring it, it won't match half of mine. |
Re: Japa: What Are You Still Waiting For? by Thabothabo101: 4:39pm On Dec 13, 2023 |
Validated: I align with this post. This government doesn’t seem to have a clue what they’re doing. The president’s irresponsible (from a timing and planning perspective, in my opinion) inauguration address comment about the fuel subsidy removal ruined the strength of the Naira. In other countries, government officials are careful and thoughtful of what they say publicly (about economic matters) because they know that irresponsible comments do cause fiscal damage. |
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