Steep:
Actually Jesus is not the first to rise from the dead.
Firstborn from the dead is different from firstborn over all creation.
David was called the firstborn of the kings of the earth it does not mean David was the first king does it?

Emusan:


It's now SPIRITUAL REALM

This JaNosense won't stop to amaze someone



Says the jws lying liar who has donated his brain

Kobojunkie:
In the entirety of Scripture, the only The beginning made reference to is the time that is the creation of the world. The only other beginning mentioned in Scripture is that of Satan, and this mention was by Jesus Christ. Inventing another beginning all for the sake of promoting a doctrine that has nothing to do with Scripture is typical of the religious circle.

Michael547:

What does firstborn from the dead mean in col 1:18?
And what does firstborn over all creation mean in col 1:15?

Michael547:

So what does in the beginning when Jesus was with God refer to? Was John implying that God and Jesus had a beginning? OR That Jesus was not with God before the beginning?

Aemmyjah:



Jesus was actually the first to have a real resurrection
All others resurrected died again but Jesus lived forever



Psalm 89:27
And I will place him (David) as firstborn, The highest of the kings of the earth.

David was not firstborn. He was not even son of Saul. It was talking about favor. Jehovah favored him as king as if he were s firstborn who usually receive kingship. David was not the highest king on the earth by human standpoint but from Jehovah's standpoint, as king ruling over His own people and in his holy city, he was the highest of all earthly kings.

Note the highlighted (will) as if it was talking about a future event
But David was already dead. So that prophecy had a greater fulfillment - on the Messiah, Jesus- God's firstborn and king over all the earth. Several scriptures referring to David were also or had greater fulfilment on the Christ

Aemmyjah:



See this one
Came to ruin everything by saying Christ is a mystery
Bwahahahahaha
What will you understand or benefit from someone cloaking as a mystery?

Is MaxInDHouse your Papa that you should wait for his contribution?

Aemmyjah:

See this one
Came to ruin everything by saying Christ is a mystery
Bwahahahahaha
What will you understand or benefit from someone cloaking as a mystery?
Is MaxInDHouse your Papa that you should wait for his contribution?

Steep:
So David being the first born does not mean he is the first king right?
Jesus being the firstborn over all creation has does not mean he was the first to be made but it means he has pre-eminence over all creation.

Steep:
So David being the firstborn of the kings of the earth mean he is the first king?

Steep:

No John never implied that Jesus had a beginning rather it means that at the time when all things were created Jesus was present meaning he was not part of creation.
when did John say Jesus was not with God before the beginning?

Aemmyjah:


But he calls himself the beginning of God's Creation

Michael547:

Oga I clearly said you should explain better. Explain Col 1:15 and col 1:18.

Michael547:

Ok explain the use of the word 'FIRSTBORN Son' in col 1:15 and 'FIRSTBORN from the dead' in col 1:18.

Michael547:

col 1:18 says that Jesus was the FIRSTBORN from the dead, meaning that he was the first one to be raised from the dead.

Now Your CEV Translation says that Jesus was not only the superior but also the firstborn son in respect to all creation. So how do you want to argue that Jesus was not the first person to be created?
Now can we also apply the word FIRSTBORN SON Or FIRSTBORN from the dead, in Col 1:18 and Col 1:15 to The God that Jesus was with in John 1:1,2?

MaxInDHouse:

The beginning means when creation started it includes Jesus and all other beings apart from the Almighty God that's why the phrase "in the beginning" has to do with all creatures including the first creature or firstborn of all creations: Jesus! Colossians 1:15

Aemmyjah:


God had a beginning.
Yes or No?

Steep:
It means he is the source and ruler of God's creation because all things were made by him.
Scrupture says without him nothing created would exist meaning he himself is not part of created things.

No Sir.
Hebrew 1:2, Isaiah 44:24 & Daniel 4:30 debunked your claim.
God MADE all things (including Jesus Christ, Rev3:14). Likewise, Nebuchadnezzar made Babylon through his workers/subjects).
Please go & verify.

Matthew 19:4-6 & 1 Corinthians 8:6,is Jesus the source of creation?
@ 1 Corinthians 8:6,Is Paul LYING against Jesus?

Emusan:


See your life outside.

So FIRSTBORN just means FIRST not FIRST TO BE CREATED

Jesus is the first to be BORN by God.
The first born of our Father in heaven.
In your own Bible every BORN Being is a creature.
Oga STOP DECEIVING YOURSELF.

Emusan:


If FIRSTBORN from the dead means FIRST to be raised then that's not the meaning of "FIRSTBORN"

Emusan:


The term FIRSTBORN means SUPERIORITY [/b]that's how it's being used even in our today's world. CEV used that perfectly.
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Emusan:


Firstly, it says Jesus is "BEFORE ALL THINGS"
Lastly, it says Jesus "IS THE BEGINNING"

"Before all things" , this expression is not in Colossians 1:18, Oga don't add your Maggi to the holy scriptures.

"Jesus is the beginning....." Let's use simple example to illustrate.. 1980 is the beginning of Nigeria's victory in AFCON.

Is 1980 excluded from Nigeria's victory/participation in AFCON?
Therefore Jesus Christ is a creature, the beginning of the creation by God his Father.

Trinity shege !!!!!!!

Janosky:
Yes .
Reuben the FIRSTBORN of Jacob was SUPERIOR to his siblings, Gen 49:3.
Jesus Christ is the FIRSTBORN of God (Hebrew 1:5) is SUPERIOR to other ministering spirits.

The term "FIRSTBORN" means the same thing in the whole Bible, every FIRSTBORN is a creature.

The word "BORN" can NOT be TWISTED by Trinitarians desperate to hold tight to their man made fallacy.
Every BORN being is a creature.
Shikena

Westerhoffe:



Tell us the beginning of GOD.

Steep:
It means he is the source and ruler of God's creation because all things were made by him.
Scrupture says without him nothing created would exist meaning he himself is not part of created things.

Emusan:


When you pick your brain from your hall let me know but for now you don't make any sense JaNosense

Emusan:


When you pick your brain from your hall let me know but for now you don't make any sense

Janosky:


Emusan dim wit
Trinity robbed the sense God gave you.

Aemmyjah:
Every born is a creature. Yes or No?
He hit you by surprise and see your response

Janosky:
Emusan dim wit
Trinity robbed the sense God gave you.

Emusan:


And the verse didn't use BORN but FIRSTBORN

For you people to be separating the word used shows you people have agenda.

Emusan:


JaNosense have you picked it up?

Aemmyjah:



He's checking the internet to see how he can change the meaning of the word BORN

Aemmyjah:
Hehehe
Firstborn is coined from 2 words - first and born according to English

Just as we have lastborn and secondborn... Sometimes, you need to clean your sense to make sense from common sense