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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by JessicaRabbit(f): 7:34pm On Feb 26 |
PoliteActivist: If you're quoting me and getting the boot, maybe the issue lies in how you're quoting and not the quotes themselves. Are you bombarding your post with too many links? Are you plagiarizing copious amounts of texts from other websites? You should look into these things. What I find totally ridiculous and absurd is your suggestion that my account belongs to Mr. Seun Osewa simply because you're having difficulties making a response to me, and I think this is a massive pointer to the possibility that you're NOT a critical thinker. And it already makes me wary of continuing this conversation with you because you could be having ulterior motives here. I've been banned on this website before, just so you know (look at my post history). Have you asked yourself what possible justification I would have for blocking your posts? Also, and don't take this personally, but I find it weird how you keep alluding to "politeness" as if repeating the word will magically make all of your posts appear reasonable. You don't have to keep telling us you're polite. Your conduct in the discussion will tell us all we need to know about your composure in debate, as well as your intellectual honesty. Now, coming to the main subject matter. While I might find it a bit ridiculous, I can somehow relate to your mischaracterization of evolution as "magic". It's understandable, as complex processes often appear magical to those unfamiliar with the details. But instead of magic, imagine evolution as a chef patiently refining a recipe over countless generations. Each iteration builds upon the last, slowly but surely leading to new and diverse forms, not monkeys suddenly poof-ing into humans overnight. Millions of years may seem like a long time, but in the grand scheme of the universe, it's merely a blink. You're right that trial and error doesn't sound very glamorous. But don't underestimate its power! It's the very foundation of natural selection, where countless variations arise, and only the most beneficial traits survive and propagate. This elegant process has sculpted not only the intricate mechanisms of life but also the fundamental laws that govern our universe, like the perfect alignment of math and nature. It's not a "delicious meal on a table," but a testament to the remarkable self-organizing power of the universe. For the avoidance of doubt, science doesn't claim to have all the answers. In fact, acknowledging the unknown is a core principle of the scientific method. That's why scientists like Einstein and Newton constantly pushed the boundaries of knowledge, always searching for deeper understanding. While their own humility is admirable, to say they knew "almost nothing" ignores the vast body of knowledge accumulated through centuries of scientific inquiry. We don't claim omniscience, but we do have a reliable method for uncovering the secrets of the universe, and that's the power of evidence-based exploration. Playing devil's advocate is actually something I do once in a while as well, if you knew me well. I'm never rigid with my perspectives either. However, I do believe that in all things, it's important to remain grounded in evidence and avoid misrepresenting scientific concepts. I don't claim to know religionists better than they know themselves. But if they were genuinely curious about understanding the universe, they would explore reliable sources, and engage in respectful dialogue, instead of the mindless trolling and presuppositions many of them seem to engage in on this forum for example. 2 Likes |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 10:19pm On Feb 26 |
JessicaRabbit: Kudos on your responses. You are doing a bang-up job. Only a small pendantic addition to this, it is actually traits that don't hinder reproduction that carry forward that is why some detrimental traits still survive because though detrimental they do not hinder reproduction. Eg flat feet, baldness, bad eye sight, etc. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 11:55pm On Feb 26 |
BBIA: * I just got banned again, hence my silence again - that'll make it 4 bans in 4 days (each time 24 hrs). Mr. fvck I quoted your moniker because I don't want anybody to think I quit the thread. Also because, like MaxInDHouse, you posted something I wanted to respond to but couldn't because of all the bans. Moniker JessicaRabbit I was just being facetious saying you could be Seun... but it was getting a bit ridiculous, all those bans. Maybe you have a point - I'd start posting a little at a time. I'm not going anywhere. We must resolve this issue on this thread: Who is more correct, atheists or religionists? Honestly, I'd say so far atheists are winning. BUT, it's not over yet! I'd be posting the rest of my responses below. I'd be posting a little bit at a time - to hopefully avoid ban (that is if I'm not banned for posting this!) FxMasterz, maynman, Dtruthspeaker, Image123, DrJones109, Jesusjnr2022, LordReed, Jaephoenix, Knownunknown, DeepSight, BBIA HellVictorinho6, SIXFEETUNDER, OkpaNsukkaisBae, Bacteriologist, FRANCISTOWN, SIRTee15, Aemmyjah TheSourcerer. Busybrain2233, 1Sharon, TakeNigeriaBack, Botragelad, isan Fourthpredator, seun, hopefullandlord, bobestman |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by JessicaRabbit(f): 6:17am On Feb 27 |
PoliteActivist: No worries, dude. I just felt you were being overly dramatic with your assumptions. Posting less might be helpful, or splitting your post into numerous parts. Either way, you have to be careful. I've had plenty frustrations with this site's anti spambot. In fact, it's one of the reasons I spawned with this new moniker. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 1:27am On Feb 28 |
JessicaRabbit: You guessed it, I was banned again for 24 hrs! I'll now only post as short as possible, let's see what happens. See my posts below. FxMasterz, maynman, Dtruthspeaker, Image123, DrJones109, Jesusjnr2022, LordReed, Jaephoenix, JessicaRabbit, Knownunknown, DeepSight, BBIA HellVictorinho6, SIXFEETUNDER, OkpaNsukkaisBae, Bacteriologist, FRANCISTOWN, SIRTee15, Aemmyjah, TheSourcerer, |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 1:32am On Feb 28 |
*Continuing my response to moniker JessicaRabbit (Always remember, I'm playing a TOTALLY unbiased umpire) * I note your last response. Please note: I said you should tell religionists how come you know scientists better than scientists know themselves. You had it confused. Also tell them how trial and error led to the hymen, and the appendix, and the fact that things that taste good (fat, sugar, and salt) are not good for us! Continuing (remember we are trying to determine which is better: being an atheist or being a religionist). Let's use something we are all sure doesn't exist: Father Christmas (FC) I want you to honestly answer this question: If a child were told (before he could reason logically) FC existed and he totally believed it. Then growing up he heard people always thank FC when something good happened, and always saying how great FC was, and he develops a deep faith that FC would grant his requests (which of course he does - power of belief), and he tries to be a decent person because he was taught that's what FC wants, plus it adds a whole new dimension to his social life. Question: How does it benefit him to stop believing in FC? How is someone who never found FC better than him?? While at it also tell us how someone dying of cancer is better than someone with same cancer but whose cancer was being cured by a water pill (that he thought was a powerful cancer drug - power of the mind). So, as you can see for yourself, no matter how you slice it, atheists are "poorer" than religionists no matter what. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 6:55am On Feb 28 |
PoliteActivist: How much can u help me with? |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 1:06pm On Feb 28 |
PoliteActivist: Bros Comot my name abeg |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by JessicaRabbit(f): 2:50pm On Feb 28 |
PoliteActivist: Uhmm... are you really trying to compare Santa Claus to cancer treatment? 🤨 😂 The hypothetical child you described isn't experiencing genuine faith. He's experiencing indoctrination and confirmation bias. His positive experiences are solely attributed to a fictional being, hindering him from critically evaluating reality and exploring alternative explanations. True intellectual growth requires questioning, not blind acceptance. Regarding your claim that atheists are "poorer" than religious individuals, I find it so laughable that I'm not sure if it merits a proper response. There are countless examples of thriving atheists in every corner of the globe, leading fulfilling lives based on reason, compassion, and a deep appreciation for the natural world. Attributing moral character and personal fulfillment solely to religious belief is both simplistic and inaccurate. Your water pill analogy is a flawed attempt to equate the placebo effect with genuine medical treatment. While the placebo effect demonstrates the power of the mind, it doesn't magically cure illnesses. In contrast, science-based medicine provides actual treatments with verifiable efficacy, saving countless lives every day. 1 Like |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 7:07am On Feb 29 |
Aemmyjah: I appreciate the POLITENESS of your request instead of those people that use profanity. Request denied. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 7:24am On Feb 29 |
Anybody who can reach Seun, please tell him to tell his "Antispam bot" (wink, wink) to stop banning me for absolutely no reason. Ought not there be a rhyme or reason to banning people? Or is it that the whole affair is child's play? Or is it because atheists are losing? I am just a disinterested, unbiased umpire presenting the FACTS!! Just the logical FACTS, nothing else! FxMasterz, maynman, Dtruthspeaker, Image123, DrJones109, Jesusjnr2022, LordReed, Jaephoenix, JessicaRabbit, Knownunknown, DeepSight, BBIA HellVictorinho6, SIXFEETUNDER, OkpaNsukkaisBae, Bacteriologist, FRANCISTOWN, SIRTee15, Aemmyjah, TheSourcerer, |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 7:41am On Feb 29 |
BBIA: That's why I referenced quantum mechanics. In it, two contradicting elements (like destiny and coincidence) can exist simultaneously. Which further proves there are great limitations on human brain and reasoning - just because your brain tells you something is not possible does not mean it is not possible 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by BBIA: 7:47am On Feb 29 |
PoliteActivist:E be like say na kpoto kpoto God pour for inside your head as brain. Na Jehovah’s witness abi na Chosen you the go? |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 7:55am On Feb 29 |
Aemmyjah: So, atheists, what's your answers to the bolded? But OP, if nothing can come from nothing, then where did the designer come from? Also the 7 year old in my OP is false how? It just illustrates how easy it is - if, say, people get an electric shock anytime they do or think improperly, everyone will soon be behaving properly all the time. EMPHATICALLY, I'm just playing a role of a TOTALLY unbiased umpire. My own personal beliefs don't come into play at all |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 8:04am On Feb 29 |
DeepSight: MaxInDHouse, study this comment |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 8:11am On Feb 29 |
DeepSight: Atheists are asking, why won't God show or indicate himself directly and clearly? He can because he is omnipotent. So why won't he? What answer do you have for them? |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 8:18am On Feb 29 |
DeepSight: Nope. You got it wrong. Christians say Christianity is about following or trying to follow a person and having him as part of your life. Religion is following laws and rituals and commandments. MaxInDHouse, you should also study this comment |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 8:41am On Feb 29 |
Maynthemayn: Good insight. I'll answer for religionists. They'll say that this existence is obviously DESIGNED. Evolution and natural selection do not even start to explain the design. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 8:53am On Feb 29 |
isan: So what led you to the belief that God exists? Or are we to just take your word for it? |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 8:55am On Feb 29 |
Aemmyjah: What is time to you? Define time without movement or space |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 9:35am On Feb 29 |
PoliteActivist: Nonsense Typical of atheistic reasoning |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 9:36am On Feb 29 |
PoliteActivist: Just remove my name from your lists You just want stupid arguments to mitigate your indecisiveness |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 9:36am On Feb 29 |
MaxInDHouse post=12 I8585435: Faith doesn't have to be religious. I don't why you can't see that. An atheist can have faith in the government or have faith that what he hopes for will occure. St. Paul made clear that salvation is a gift you accept. It is NOT due to ANYTHING you did "so no one can boast". He left no room for you to twist or bend anything |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 9:39am On Feb 29 |
PoliteActivist:Atheist do not believe in hope. They say hope is stupid and nonsense Francistown, come and educate this son of yours cos you both are baby atheists |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 9:43am On Feb 29 |
Aemmyjah: If you want people behaving a certain way, hasn't that always been the way to get them to behave that way? Imagine if there were 100% guarantee you'd be caught if you robbed a bank, do you think anybody would be robbing banks? |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 9:53am On Feb 29 |
Aemmyjah: Put another way. "An atheist can have faitb that what he wants to happen will happen" If you have a problem with the word "hope" |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 10:12am On Feb 29 |
PoliteActivist: 😂 Who mention faith and hope? Was it not you? Both go hand in hand |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by Aemmyjah(m): 10:13am On Feb 29 |
PoliteActivist: Another faulty thinki Try again |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by FxMasterz: 10:50am On Feb 29 |
PoliteActivist: Seun, kindly soften the ban intensity of your antispam bots from high to low. The bans can be sometimes annoying when one has done virtually nothing wrong. If you've customized your bots against Politeactivist, please free the man. If atheists are loosing, then their souls are gaining. We who have vivid spiritual experiences with God can already tell with 100% assurance the ultimate destination of a Godless soul. |
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by FRANCISTOWN: 11:41am On Feb 29 |
Aemmyjah: PoliteActivist is not my son. She is a mature lady. One thing you should know is that, Atheism is a personal thing. I'm an atheist and I don't believe in God, people, and anything that I can't see, touch, feel, smell. The only thing I believe in is myself and my library(I love it so much). There are atheists who believe people, governments, parents, pets, friends. As a matter of fact, there are atheists who believe there are ghosts and other paranormal phenomena. Does that make them less of an atheist? Well! I don't know. I mean they do not believe there is a god because they've not encountered ha. Yet they believe in those things they've not encountered. Even if they were sure they've encountered those things that others might not have, don't they think others have encountered a god that they've not had? Anyways that's not the point. Atheists have faith but we don't have hope. And it's the force of faith that drives atheists. Atheists have faith first, then act. Theists act, then they hope. Faith and hope are the same in theism. In atheism they are entirely different. This is deep, I hope your brain power can comprehend. If you still didn't understand, I can give you some scenarios. |
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