FRANCISTOWN:

I never said atheism came from Africa.
I only laid emphasis on the fact that atheism is a thing of self reflection and realisation by stating that there were atheists before we had contacts with the white.

Can we say the same for your religion?

Same with me
Plus common sense tells me there's a Creator God/ intelligent designer

Aemmyjah:


Same with me
Plus common sense tells me there's a Creator God/ intelligent designer

Does "common sense" also tell you that creator is a he, his name is Yahweh and he has an errand boy called Jesus?

FRANCISTOWN:


Does "common sense" also tell you that creator is a he, his name is Yahweh and he has an errand boy called Jesus?

What has he or she got to do with this? Does it invalidate the logic of the existence of the intelligent designer?
Atheism has robbed off your power of reasoning

Aemmyjah:



What has he or she got to do with this? Does it invalidate the logic of the existence of the intelligent designer?
Atheism has robbed off your power of reasoning

That's the very root of your faith. The "He" who created the world

What even makes you think the creator would be a human having a gender?

FRANCISTOWN:

That's the very root of your faith. The "He" who created the world

What even makes you think the creator would be a human having a gender?

My God is not like flesh of mankind that is gender based.
Your ignorance is higher than Everest
Get your fact straight and try again

PoliteActivist:


**( I was banned for 24hrs right after that my response to JessiaRabbit few hours ago, and the response was deleted. I just checked only to find out I HAVE BEEN MYSTERIOUSLY UNBANNED AND THE POST RESTORED!!! Since it seems the madness has ended, here's the half post. Following this, I'll post the rest of it if not banned):

Consider: more than 95% of our universe is made up of dark matter/dark energy, yet we don't know what it is. We know it is there but we don't have the foggiest idea what it is!
Consider: scientists have determined there are at least 10 dimensions, and possibly up to a thousand. Yet we can perceive only 4. FOUR!
Consider: our earth is is so infinitestimally small compared to the observable universe you can almost say it doesn't exist (on a universe scale, you can't see the earth even with the strogest microscope). Yet the observable universe is only one 64 millionth of the estimated size of our universe. Then there is the multiverse theory - there could be unlimited number of universes!
Compound all that with the fact that: limitations and manipulations could have been built into our perception of reality such that we only perceive what "they" want us to perceive. Scientists have no way of knowing what is really there!
Add to all that, brains and circumstances could be being manipulated on a day-to-day ongoing basis, while studies and observations are being done (we still don't know how or where our dreams come from!).

Add all that up and you'll realize, when Einstein and other geniuses said they knew nothing, maybe they were not as stupid as you think!

Whats the source of all these claims?

Aemmyjah:



Mumu
See who is calling someone mad
You don't even know what faith is

A poor man can have faith that he's a millionaire only when he receives a cheque of such money and he's not seen such money but that cheque is the evidence of faith
If someone were to give someone in your family such cheque and he happily comes to show you, you will call him a mad man since he's not seen such money
Your head de hot

Faith is evidence of something NOT SEEN. You need to read your babble

jaephoenix:

Faith is evidence of something NOT SEEN. You need to read your babble

I have faith in God
I don't see him
I pray to him
I live according to his standards
You have faith that your existence came by chaos

PoliteActivist:
*(HOORAYYY!!! I wasn't banned!!! Here's more of the JessicaRabbit response. The rest to follow if I'm not banned)

Before such unimaginable immensity, complexity, and unknowability, what a wise human ought exhibit is absolute AWE, followed by HUMILITY, followed by acknowledgement he knows almost NOTHING.
NOT start spouting about lowly human science - science that can barely answer the most rudimentary questions about existence and human psyche (see "spirit attachment" below - by a top-notch scientist), and at same time dismissing first hand experiences of the divine and of spiritual attacks and experiences people have had over the ages. We are completely defenseless when asleep, and we have no say as to what type of dream we'd have. If someone says a fetish imam or pastor comes into their dreams to have sex with them and then in real life the imam acts and talks as if they knew what they did, the right response is to say you don't know anything about such, and that you hope such never happens to you. Not start spouting about lowly human science!

What is "unimaginable immensity" and what is "unknowability"? Are these supposed to be arguments for the divine, because newsflash, they're not. At best they're simply descriptions of the universe - a universe we're constantly chipping away at understanding. Not having conclusive answers to all these mysteries does not grant us the liberty to dismiss the incredible progress science has made. That's like throwing away the telescope because it can't see individual atoms. From the Big Bang to the building blocks of life, science has provided profound insights into the very fabric of reality. While the human psyche remains a complex puzzle, advancements in neuroscience are steadily unveiling its workings. As for Dr. Sanderson's "Case for Spirit Release Therapy," it's worth noting that therapy, like any field, has its fringe and well-established practices. Citing a single, possibly dubious, source doesn't invalidate the vast body of scientific evidence. Atheists aren't denying the fact that people have subjective experiences; they simply don't accept those experiences as objective evidence of the supernatural. There are countless psychological and neurological explanations for subjective experiences, including sleep paralysis, confirmation bias, and cultural conditioning.

Your "fetish imam" scenario is a curious example. Firstly, it evokes fear and disgust, which are powerful tools for manipulation in arguments. Secondly, it paints atheists as dismissive of all personal experiences, which is a misrepresentation. Atheists, like anyone else, can acknowledge the existence of unusual experiences without attributing them to the supernatural.

PoliteActivist:


**( I was banned for 24hrs right after that my response to JessiaRabbit few hours ago, and the response was deleted. I just checked only to find out I HAVE BEEN MYSTERIOUSLY UNBANNED AND THE POST RESTORED!!! Since it seems the madness has ended, here's the half post. Following this, I'll post the rest of it if not banned):

Consider: more than 95% of our universe is made up of dark matter/dark energy, yet we don't know what it is. We know it is there but we don't have the foggiest idea what it is!
Consider: scientists have determined there are at least 10 dimensions, and possibly up to a thousand. Yet we can perceive only 4. FOUR!
Consider: our earth is is so infinitestimally small compared to the observable universe you can almost say it doesn't exist (on a universe scale, you can't see the earth even with the strogest microscope). Yet the observable universe is only one 64 millionth of the estimated size of our universe. Then there is the multiverse theory - there could be unlimited number of universes!
Compound all that with the fact that: limitations and manipulations could have been built into our perception of reality such that we only perceive what "they" want us to perceive. Scientists have no way of knowing what is really there!
Add to all that, brains and circumstances could be being manipulated on a day-to-day ongoing basis, while studies and observations are being done (we still don't know how or where our dreams come from!).

Add all that up and you'll realize, when Einstein and other geniuses said they knew nothing, maybe they were not as stupid as you think!

Ok. So the universe is vast and strange. That's precisely why we have the scientific method, a meticulous process for chipping away at the unknown, not resorting to celestial sugar daddies to plug the gaps in our knowledge. As for manipulated perception and limitations, well, that's precisely what science is trying to understand, not a justification for abandoning it altogether. And yes, even the greatest minds acknowledge the vastness of the unknown, but unlike some, they don't use it as a springboard for magical thinking.

Aemmyjah:


My God is not like flesh of mankind that is gender based.
Your ignorance is higher than Everest
Get your fact straight and try again

Then what gender is Yahweh and Jesus his errand boy?

FRANCISTOWN:

Then what gender is Yahweh and Jesus his errand boy?

My son
Go and learn the meaning of anthropomorphic
Before you keep on fooling around like a mad man trying to amuse the crowd

JessicaRabbit:

Maybe it's because the "obvious" isn't quite as self-evident as you believe. After all, even the Earth appeared flat for a long time.

Faith is not a quantifiable object to be "gained" or "possessed." It's a complex belief system with its own set of pros and cons, which you conveniently ignore.

These anecdotes lack scientific rigor and fail to account for the countless examples of individuals who find immense strength and purpose outside of religion. Faith does not automatically guarantee positive outcomes.

Bandwagon fallacy. You claim that by what individuals have internalized, it's more beneficial to be perceived as religious. This perpetuates harmful stereotypes and ignores the fact that morality and ethical behavior are not exclusive to any single faith system.

This is not an "either/or" situation, my dear. You are ignoring the vast spectrum of human experience and belief systems. Many individuals find meaning and purpose through human connection, philosophical pursuits, or a love for science and the natural world.

Any meaningful discussion requires acknowledging the nuances of the topic, not resorting to oversimplification and faulty logic. You have no point here.

*(nlfpmod, OAM4, Seun, after one or two posts the "antispam bot" bans me for 24hrs for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON!!! Please, I don't understand. What is going on??)

Moniker JessicaRabbit, na wa for you o. It is not everything you argue, otherwise it seems you're arguing just to be arguing. I detailed to you why it is more BENEFICIAL to NOT be an atheist in this our reality and system. Which I didn't need to do because you'd instinctively know it. It doesn't mean atheism is bad, it is just not the thing to be in this our system of things!
Let's take a practical example - YOU! Assuming you are a lady, a young lady. Let's say you finally realise you really don't know anything about this our reality - that God may very well exist. Based on that you decide you're no longer an atheist and start attending, say, Roman Catholic.
You are a smart young lady - you are not about to be brainwashed by anybody, and you're not about to become and extremist. See what happens:
1) You now have God, whom you can call on any time you wish and know he loves you and is with you in all situations.
2) You now have a whole social mileu opened up to you - networking opportunities, husband materials, etc.
3) Fairly or unfairly, you are now viewed more favorably by much of society and are trusted more by individuals you deal with.
4) You'd no longer be wasting your time fighting religion - a foolish fight because you can't make a dent.
5) You'd still have everything you had as an atheist, except the stigma!

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FRANCISTOWN:


Evolution by natural selection is largely based on survival. That's where instinct and adaptation comes in; evolve (learn to adapt and thrive in your environment)

For natural selection to act on a feature, there must already be variation (differences among individuals) for that feature. Also, the differences have to be heritable, determined by the organisms' genes.

loving broccoli and hating juicy, sumptuous steak; loving going to the gym more than chilling and watching TV; loving drinking lots of plain water instead of sweet drinks; loving bland foods instead of salty, tasty foods.

All these that you've listed up there are habits. And habits are not inherited in the same way that genetic traits or physical characteristics are passed down from parents to their children. Habits are behaviours that individuals develop over time through personal experiences, environmental influences, and learned behaviors.

Habits are not passed down like genes. The reason we inherit our parents habits is because we live and grow up with them, they teach and correct us. A child learns from ha environment .

Even in somatic mutations – DNA changes not present in eggs or sperm. Somatic changes only affect certain cells or tissues and cannot be passed on to offspring as they are not inherited from parents. They are due to environmental impacts.

Life acquired characteristics cannot be passed down to offspring they can only influence the habits the offsprings pick.

Lemme use simple terms to explain Natural Selection.

"In the jungle. A cheetah hunts a baby giraffe. Without that food the cheetah will not survive.

The baby giraffe has to eat Mimosa tree leaves and the Acacia tree to survive.

The Mimosa and the Acacia trees need their leaves to survive.

A baby giraffe must be able to run fast enough to survive because it's not not powerful enough to kill a cheetah yet.

Once it grows into adulthood, he doesn't need that speed, just a kick and "RIP" to the Cheetah. (Hence giraffes evolved to be faster at infant lest it will not survive into reproductive stage). And cheetahs avoid hunting adult giraffes.

•Giraffes that are not fast enough at infant will be hunted and killed by cheetahs. Therefore, species of slow giraffes could not reach a reproductive stage. They were wiped out by cheetah.

A cheetah on the other hand must evolve to run faster than a baby giraffe lest it dies of hunger and won't survive into reproductive
stage (hence new generations of cheetah become faster than the previous)

• Species of slower cheetah could not reach a reproductive stage, thus wiped out by hunger.

A giraffe feeds on leaves from the mimosa tree and the Acacia tree to survive. Therefore, the
mimosa tree on the other hand must evolve to grow very fast and tall to avoid losing her leaves to giraffes.

•Species of Mimosa trees that refused to grow fast and tall could not reach a reproductive stage, thus wiped out.

The Acacia tree on the other hand evolved to modify her morphology and grow thorns to avoid being eaten out by giraffes.

•The species of Acacia tree that refused to evolve to grow more thorns couldn't reach the reproductive stage and are wiped out by giraffes.

• A giraffe that must survive must evolve to grow longer neck than the previous generation to eat the Mimosa leaves(from a tree which
are now taller), and a longer tongue to eat the Acacia leaves(from trees which now have more thorns).

•Any specie of giraffe that fails to evolve in these two aspects will die of hunger before reaching the reproductive stage thus wiped out.

Therefore. A cheetah evolved to be faster than the previous generations because the survival instinct is passed down to offsprings.

A giraffe evolved to be faster at infant, to grow longer necks and tongues as it grows than the previous generations because the instinct is passed down to offsprings.

A Mimosa tree evolved to grow taller than the previous generations to survive now taller giraffes that evolved. Same as the Acacia tree with more thorns than the previous generations.

This evolution is strongly based on survival.

Even humans are now taller and more intelligent than our generations 100 years ago.

Evolution is as sure as death. But most times it's always very slow and almost not noticeable.

Well said and well written, good example too.
Sooo you accept that:
1) Humans were DESIGNED to hate whats good for their health and longevity. If not, where did that come from?
2) Where did lions liking raw meat, and goats liking grass come from?
3) LordReed and JessicaRabbit, do you agree with him that those are habits, not heritable traits?

PoliteActivist:


*(nlfpmod, OAM4, Seun, after one or two posts the "antispam bot" bans me for 24hrs for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON!!! Please, I don't understand. What is going on??)

Moniker JessicaRabbit, na wa for you o. It is not everything you argue, otherwise it seems you're arguing just to be arguing. I detailed to you why it is more BENEFICIAL to NOT be an atheist in this our reality and system. Which I didn't need to do because you'd instinctively know it. It doesn't mean atheism is bad, it is just not the thing to be in this our system of things!
Let's take a practical example - YOU! Assuming you are a lady, a young lady. Let's say you finally realise you really don't know anything about this our reality - that God may very well exist. Based on that you decide you're no longer an atheist and start attending, say, Roman Catholic.
You are a smart young lady - you are not about to be brainwashed by anybody, and you're not about to become and extremist. See what happens:
1) You now have God, whom you can call on any time you wish and know he loves you and is with you in all situations.
2) You now have a whole social mileu opened up to you - networking opportunities, husband materials, etc.
3) Fairly or unfairly, you are now viewed more favorably by much of society and are trusted more by individuals you deal with.
4) You'd no longer be wasting your time fighting religion - a foolish fight because you can't make a dent.
5) You'd still have everything you had as an atheist, except the stigma!

Perhaps you should stop mentioning us in what doesn't really concern us na.

PoliteActivist:


*(nlfpmod, OAM4, Seun, after one or two posts the "antispam bot" bans me for 24hrs for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON!!! Please, I don't understand. What is going on??)

Moniker JessicaRabbit, na wa for you o. It is not everything you argue, otherwise it seems you're arguing just to be arguing. I detailed to you why it is more BENEFICIAL to NOT be an atheist in this our reality and system. Which I didn't need to do because you'd instinctively know it. It doesn't mean atheism is bad, it is just not the thing to be in this our system of things!
Let's take a practical example - YOU! Assuming you are a lady, a young lady. Let's say you finally realise you really don't know anything about this our reality - that God may very well exist. Based on that you decide you're no longer an atheist and start attending, say, Roman Catholic.
You are a smart young lady - you are not about to be brainwashed by anybody, and you're not about to become and extremist. See what happens:
1) You now have God, whom you can call on any time you wish and know he loves you and is with you in all situations.
2) You now have a whole social mileu opened up to you - networking opportunities, husband materials, etc.
3) Fairly or unfairly, you are now viewed more favorably by much of society and are trusted more by individuals you deal with.
4) You'd no longer be wasting your time fighting religion - a foolish fight because you can't make a dent.
5) You'd still have everything you had as an atheist, except the stigma!

You really deserve the bans
Stop tagging everybody cos you want to entertain yourself with stupid arguments

PoliteActivist:


Well said and well written, good example too.
Sooo you accept that:
1) Humans were DESIGNED to hate whats good for their health and longevity. If not, where did that come from?
2) Where did lions liking raw meat, and goats liking grass come from?
3) LordReed and JessicaRabbit, do you agree with him that those are habits, not heritable traits?

I asked you a question, instead of answering you are asking me another question. You aren't serious.

Image123:

Perhaps you should stop mentioning us in what doesn't really concern us na.

Aemmyjah:

You really deserve the bans
Stop tagging everybody cos you want to entertain yourself with stupid arguments

I always wonder where they get pretentious people like these from.
How many times have I mentioned you on this thread?
How else do I let people on the thread know I'm back from a ban??
Feel free to mention me too on any topic you think I might be interested in.

LordReed:


I asked you a question, instead of answering you are asking me another question. You aren't serious.

Remember I'm backed up due to all the bans. I'm still on the hope vs faith. See below

https://youtube.com/shorts/KUopdDZkMJk?si=0_3U4t8CXnl9rSvI

FRANCISTOWN, Aemmyjah, triplechoice

PoliteActivist:


Well said and well written, good example too.
Sooo you accept that:
1) Humans were DESIGNED to hate whats good for their health and longevity. If not, where did that come from?
2) Where did lions liking raw meat, and goats liking grass come from?
3) LordReed and JessicaRabbit, do you agree with him that those are habits, not heritable traits?

What are you even talking about?
Do lions eat raw meat as a habit or for survival?

PoliteActivist:




I always wonder where they get pretentious people like these from.
How many times have I mentioned you on this thread?
How else do I let people on the thread know I'm back from a ban??
Feel free to mention me too on any topic you think I might be interested in.

You don't want to have common sense but you want your stupid thread to reach 100 pages
Stop quoting me
The ban is really good
They should even put your moniker to an end

JessicaRabbit:


Ok. So the universe is vast and strange. That's precisely why we have the scientific method, a meticulous process for chipping away at the unknown, not resorting to celestial sugar daddies to plug the gaps in our knowledge. As for manipulated perception and limitations, well, that's precisely what science is trying to understand, not a justification for abandoning it altogether. And yes, even the greatest minds acknowledge the vastness of the unknown, but unlike some, they don't use it as a springboard for magical thinking.

😆 It is funny how you keep touting science, "scientific method", neuroscience. It is usually people who know nothing about science that are like that about science.
Scientists themselves know the vast limitations of science. See some comments from g.o.a.t. scientific minds below. Not only is the true nature of existence not known to science, the true nature of existence is NOT knowable through science!

PoliteActivist:


Remember I'm backed up due to all the bans. I'm still on the hope vs faith. See below

https://youtube.com/shorts/KUopdDZkMJk?si=0_3U4t8CXnl9rSvI

Like I said you are not serious.

Aemmyjah:



You don't want to have common sense but you want your stupid thread to reach 100 pages
Stop quoting me
The ban is really good
They should even put your moniker to an end

Ookaay, now I get it. The small minded fellow is worried about how many pages the thread may reach. Of all things! What a VERY small mind indeed.
My dear, find something worthwhile to do with your life instead of going through NL worried about number of pages.
Let this be the last time you're quoting me

PoliteActivist:


Ookaay, now I get it. The small minded fellow is worried about how many pages the thread may reach. Of all things! What a VERY small mind indeed.
My dear, find something worthwhile to do with your life instead of going through NL worried about number of pages.
Let this be the last time you're quoting me

Hypocrite
Do as I say
Stop mentioning my name
Mention others
Simple

FRANCISTOWN:

What are you even talking about?
Do lions eat raw meat as a habit or for survival?

Wether habit or survival, where did the instinct come from? Why don't they eat grass like goats?

Aemmyjah:


Hypocrite
Do as I say
Stop mentioning my name
Mention others
Simple

Meanwhile you are mentioning me. And he's talking about lacking common sense! Find something to do with your life.
Don't ever quote me again

PoliteActivist:


Meanwhile you are mentioning me. And he's talking about lacking common sense! Find something to do with your life.
Don't ever quote me again

Next time you tag me as along with others in wetin no concern me, I'll report
You need bans really

Aemmyjah:


Next time you tag me as along with others in wetin no concern me, I'll report
You need bans really

If you quote me again I'll go through all my recent posts on NL and tag you on all of them.
STOP QUOTING ME!

jaephoenix:

Whats the source of all these claims?

Which ones do you doubt? They're right there on google

LordReed:


Like I said you are not serious. FRANCISTOWN

I still have a lot of replies before I get to you, but since you seem to be in a Hurry, here goes:

Broccoli is just a metaphor. Point is, according to natural selection, the world ought be be full of people who ENJOY a diet and exercise lifestyle that support good health, survival, and longevity. Instead for vast majority of people going to the gym is a chore, and what they enjoy is sugary, fatty, salty foods and sugary drinks, NOT vegetables and plain water!

PoliteActivist:


I still have a lot of replies before I get to you, but since you seem to be in a Hurry, here goes:

Broccoli is just a metaphor. Point is, according to natural selection, the world ought be be full of people who ENJOY a diet and exercise lifestyle that support good health, survival, and longevity. Instead for vast majority of people going to the gym is a chore, and what they enjoy is sugary, fatty, salty foods and sugary drinks, NOT vegetables and plain water!

Wrong. Natural selection doesn't dictate that only helpful traits and or habits get passed on. Natural selection only puts pressure on organisms to survive and breed. Not eating vegetables and not exercising do not stop survival or breeding. Therefore what predisposition to health or unhealthy habits get passed on are not affected by natural selection if those habits do not stop survival or breeding.