FxMasterz:


You're right.

That's why as a person, I try to be as objective as possible during religious debates. I do accept my shortcomings if I find out I was in error. There are times I have debated Muslims based on wrong interpretation of some of their quaranic verses. I have often apologized whenever they provide clarity. But, just as you said earlier, they (Muslims) would never accept or apologize for errors when they're given clarifications; or when it is clearly shown to them that they've been wrong all along. I admit that some Christians are like that too. Atheists are known to behave this way too. This confirms that Atheism and Evolution are religions of some sort.

Oh, of course, Atheism and Evolutionism are outright religions and not even "of some sort".

PoliteActivist:


Oh, of course, Atheism and Evolutionism are outright religions and not even "of some sort".

No doubt!

But atheists would deny this claim outright.

They're even now yearning for brotherhood. They want association.

PoliteActivist:


We girls ought stick together. Don't be a spoil sport. Here are some quotes to soothe you:

Sure. And here is a verse to soothe you.

Jesus is with you all through the end.

PoliteActivist:


Survival selects.
Does that answer your question?

Kind of does, though I'm certain you know that it is the animal itself that chooses to survive, and not anything else stopping it from dying of hunger, just as you choose to survive or not, and not that something somewhere chooses for you.

Anyway, I'm letting you be. For starts, it's hard to converse with a person for whom words mean what he says they mean especially if he does not state his meaning, and with someone who thinks he knows nothing and believes others are as know nothing as he is, and even moreso with someone who doubts his own existence and that of those he converses with.

If you don't believe the humans you converse with actually exist, it wouldn't be long before you are impolite to them.

Aemmyjah:



Young man
Lemme warn you
Stop causing chaos in the atheists caml


You're free to shake their table
You wan comot am?

I get that from time to time ("Young man". It tells me I'm succeeding in my effort to be non-gendered!
Oh, I'm just stating the facts, not siding with any side. And they know it

FxMasterz:


No doubt!

But atheists would deny this claim outright.

They're even now yearning for brotherhood. They want association.

Oh there are atheist churches. Quite a few. Just google

budaatum:


No, Aemmyjah. If I see a bamboo hut in a forest that people say no man has ever stepped in, my brain will not "conclude that that came by itself since you've not seen any evidence of the mind behind the hut".

Apart from the fact that my brain does not conclude, it is not unusual for there to be a hut that no man has ever stepped in, though there'd be the question of how those who told me know.

My great grandmother was an Ifa priestess, and legend has it that her shrine was built by women, and men were forbidden from stepping inside or even near it, and I did not therefore conclude that it came by itself. But I guess that's because I have evidence of my great grandmother's mind that is behind her hut that no man has been inside.

We are not talking about things one has not seen, however. As I said, I also base things on my knowledge and understanding of the experiences I have had which is extensive but not all that can be known, instead of filling my lack of knowledge with imaginations. "Experience" above includes my experience of learning, like reading books and going to school and watching the world pass by and me searching for my sustenance and understanding things etc etc etc.

If I see a mountain, for instance, I or my brain do not conclude that it came by itself or that a creator created it there even if some people told me so. What we, my brain and I, would do is go get the experience that gives one the knowledge about the formation of mountains so one may have an idea of how the mountain one sees came to be there.

That doesn't therefore mean that I must now know how the mountain got there, mind. But it should give me sufficient knowledge to know the difference between reality and the imaginations of others.

Is your brain faulty?

The cycles in nature, the magnetic shield
The perfect movement of the planetary bodies
An earth with with a perfect satellite, a perfect tilt, a perfect distance from the sun (as science confirms) etc... Yet, your brain won't see a mind behind all these

budaatum:


No, Aemmyjah. If I see a bamboo hut in a forest that people say no man has ever stepped in, my brain will not "conclude that that came by itself since you've not seen any evidence of the mind behind the hut".

Apart from the fact that my brain does not conclude, it is not unusual for there to be a hut that no man has ever stepped in, though there'd be the question of how those who told me know.

My great grandmother was an Ifa priestess, and legend has it that her shrine was built by women, and men were forbidden from stepping inside or even near it, and I did not therefore conclude that it came by itself. But I guess that's because I have evidence of my great grandmother's mind that is behind her hut that no man has been inside.

We are not talking about things one has not seen, however. As I said, I also base things on my knowledge and understanding of the experiences I have had which is extensive but not all that can be known, instead of filling my lack of knowledge with imaginations. "Experience" above includes my experience of learning, like reading books and going to school and watching the world pass by and me searching for my sustenance and understanding things etc etc etc.

If I see a mountain, for instance, I or my brain do not conclude that it came by itself or that a creator created it there even if some people told me so. What we, my brain and I, would do is go get the experience that gives one the knowledge about the formation of mountains so one may have an idea of how the mountain one sees came to be there.

That doesn't therefore mean that I must now know how the mountain got there, mind. But it should give me sufficient knowledge to know the difference between reality and the imaginations of others.

Let us test if your brain leads to a right conclusion


Both images are similar
One is biological, the other is not
One is living, the other one is not
One can see, the other cannot
One is able to reproduce, respire, feed, etc, the other cannot
One is a million times more complicated than the other


Which one is a product of intelligence and which one is a product of mindless chance or chaos?




This test can show your level of IQ

PoliteActivist:


Can you at least give us a short reason why?

i was born poor or born into poverty

PoliteActivist:


Oh there are atheist churches. Quite a few. Just google

Wow!

Just hearing about that for the first time. They've even gone really far in their religious organization.

PoliteActivist:


My friend, such things DON'T arbitrarily have limits in our universe for no reason. Or give an example

LoLz. You keep trying to deflect. No way Jose! You are the one who needs to demonstrate what properties of the universe would allow for unlimited speed.

PoliteActivist:


See this one, "I have designed simulations"!
People who have been (since their early teens) at the vanguard of AI and simulation of worlds are telling you they can simulate this our world to the last degree with the people inside it given illusion of free will, and you are talking gibberish!

As for the article, Reed u sure u OK? You pointed out the article was published April fools day, so I showed you variations of same article published at other times.
And why are fixated on the jocular conspiracy theory comment. It is just a side comment to help make the article interesting

LoLz. Your variations of an article first published on April Fools day and are casually tossing aside the fact that the author called it a conspiracy theory, all as a joke but sure you believe the article is serious. LMAO! Can you hear yourself?

You just talk nonsense without saying anything. How have you refuted my point now that simulations are not designed for the limits of processors but for the limits of outputs?

PoliteActivist:


Meaning what? I've done everything, including posting the definition below. You keep mindlessly repeating that nature doesn't go about selecting (I'm tempted to add "like a slowpoke" ). EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!!! That is, everybody except you and budaatum. Listen, the net EFFECT is SELECTION!!! If an environment favors survival of tall people, over time tallness will be SELECTED FOR!!!

By the way, you folks,
1) If humans were NOT DESIGNED to hate whats good for their health and longevity and love what's not, where did that come from?
2) Where did things like lions liking raw meat and never eating grass, and goats liking grass, come from? It's not as if these animals evolved on different planets!
3) Can't you folks see that evolution and natural selection are perfect examples of the Texas sharpshooter fallacy? (Look it up )
4) Can't you folks see that there is so much they can't explain? Things like consciousness, abiogenesis, why lower animals generally have shorter life spans than humans, why lower animals are not capable of abstract thought, complex organs like eyes, dna, etc, etc.
5) In short, can't you folks see that evolution (much like atheism) is a religion - you just believe it or you don't!

LoLz. Everyone knows that but you started shitting bricks when I said it. When I call you a phony it's not only an insult, it's an accurate description of you.

LoLz! What a good way to show you have no real understanding of the thing you are so strenuously arguing about. To ask where did things like lions liking raw meat and never eating grass, and goats liking grass, come from shows you have no real idea what evolution and natural selection are. You are merely repeating the jargons you glean. Lions have ALWAYS eaten raw meat and goats have ALWAYS eaten grass because they had that characteristic by the time their species evolved. Folks like you always think evolution is like a magic show where things suddenly appear instead of understanding how it all fits together.

Of course you'd liken it to religion and faith because that is what you really are, empty of understanding but full of belief.

1Sharon:


Sure. And here is a verse to soothe you.

Jesus is with you all through the end.

🤣Quite funny
But actually it's more like this below

budaatum:


Kind of does, though I'm certain you know that it is the animal itself that chooses to survive, and not anything else stopping it from dying of hunger, just as you choose to survive or not, and not that something somewhere chooses for you.

Anyway, I'm letting you be. For starts, it's hard to converse with a person for whom words mean what he says they mean especially if he does not state his meaning, and with someone who thinks he knows nothing and believes others are as know nothing as he is, and even moreso with someone who doubts his own existence and that of those he converses with.

If you don't believe the humans you converse with actually exist, it wouldn't be long before you are impolite to them.

I can't fathom how this statement of yours makes sense to you:
"though I'm certain you know that it is the animal itself that chooses to survive, and not anything else stopping it from dying of hunger"
Animals who can't compete for food, die of hunger. I don't see how the animal chose anything.

As far as being impolite because one doesn't believe other humans actually exist, well read what Einstein said below (these quotes are from what I posted on the OP of this thread)

HellVictorinho6:



i was born poor or born into poverty

You were born poor and that's how you know intelligent design is nonsense?

PoliteActivist:


You were born poor and that's how you know intelligent design is nonsense?

Yeah

LordReed:


LoLz. You keep trying to deflect. No way Jose! You are the one who needs to demonstrate what properties of the universe would allow for unlimited speed.

Can someone please help me explain to my good but obtuse friend that it is highly UNNATURAL in our world for something to maintain the same speed relative to you no matter whether you are at rest or moving very fast!

HellVictorinho6:



Yeah

Sooo, how does your poverty connect to intelligent design??

LordReed:


LoLz. Your variations of an article first published on April Fools day and are casually tossing aside the fact that the author called it a conspiracy theory, all as a joke but sure you believe the article is serious. LMAO! Can you hear yourself?

You just talk nonsense without saying anything. How have you refuted my point now that simulations are not designed for the limits of processors but for the limits of outputs?

See the guy who wrote the article below. Go and watch his videos so you'll stop talking nonsense

PoliteActivist:

I can't fathom how this statement of yours makes sense to you:
"though I'm certain you know that it is the animal itself that chooses to survive, and not anything else stopping it from dying of hunger"
Animals who can't compete for food, die of hunger. I don't see how the animal chose anything.

Guess what you can't fathom is what the statement means to you. So I'll let you work on figuring it out some.

PoliteActivist:


Can someone please help me explain to my good but obtuse friend that it is highly UNNATURAL in our world for something to maintain the same speed relative to you no matter whether you are at rest or moving very fast!

This is not the question I am asking you. You made a claim I am ask you to provide evidence for your claim. Your incredulity at light's property is not evidence of your claim.

Now again can you tell me what property of the universe would allow there to be unlimited speed.

PoliteActivist:


See the guy who wrote the article below. Go and watch his videos so you'll stop talking nonsense

LoLz. Still repeating the obvious fact that he published it on April Fool's day to catch idiot's like you mugu. Bwahahahahaha!

Aemmyjah:


Is your brain faulty?

The cycles in nature, the magnetic shield
The perfect movement of the planetary bodies
An earth with with a perfect satellite, a perfect tilt, a perfect distance from the sun (as science confirms) etc... Yet, your brain won't see a mind behind all these

No, my brain nor myself do not see things that are not there. I do not look at a thing and assume a maker that there is no evidence whatsoever for.

Aemmyjah:


Which one is a product of intelligence and which one is a product of mindless chance or chaos?

Neither is a product of mindless chance or chaos. One is an intelligent copy of what already exists in nature, which study shows gradually evolved over time into what it currently is. So there's no reason to assume there is an intelligent designer to compensate for one's lack of knowledge when one can very easily go learn.

LordReed:


LoLz. Everyone knows that but you started shitting bricks when I said it. When I call you a phony it's not only an insult, it's an accurate description of you.

LoLz! What a good way to show you have no real understanding of the thing you are so strenuously arguing about. To ask where did things like lions liking raw meat and never eating grass, and goats liking grass, come from shows you have no real idea what evolution and natural selection are. You are merely repeating the jargons you glean. Lions have ALWAYS eaten raw meat and goats have ALWAYS eaten grass because they had that characteristic by the time their species evolved. Folks like you always think evolution is like a magic show where things suddenly appear instead of understanding how it all fits together.

Of course you'd liken it to religion and faith because that is what you really are, empty of understanding but full of belief.

My good but obtuse friend you made a foolish statement - "Natural selection does not select anything". Natural selection is a SELECTION of who lives and who dies based on entertainment.

So lions have always eaten meat and cannot change? Wjy?? And how come humans can??

Exactly why they are religions - we don't know enough to have an opinion about God based on understanding

budaatum:


Guess what you can't fathom is what the statement means to you. So I'll let you work on figuring it out some.

The statement is what is called pure nonsense. Animals who can't get food, die! There is no deep philosophy about it

PoliteActivist:


My good but obtuse friend you made a foolish statement - "Natural selection does not select anything". Natural selection is a SELECTION of who lives and who dies based on entertainment.

So lions have always eaten meat and cannot change? Wjy?? And how come humans can??

Exactly why they are religions - we don't know enough to have an opinion about God based on understanding

Dumdum post where I wrote Natural selection does not select anything.

LMAO! Dumdum do you the meaning of carnivorous and omnivorous? Look them up if you don't.

We know plenty enough to understand what evolution and natural selection are but dummies like you continue to claim what you don't understand or can defend with evidence.

PoliteActivist:


The statement is what is called pure nonsense. Animals who can't get food, die! There is no deep philosophy about it

So, no selection whatsoever, right? Just a matter of the animals desire and ability to find food or die.

Can you see why it's absurd to now claim that animal was selected to live by a selector?

PoliteActivist:


Sooo, how does your poverty connect to intelligent design??

It shows or requires no intelligence 4 me 2 be born into poverty.

budaatum:


So, no selection whatsoever, right? Just a matter of the animals desire and ability to find food or die.

Can you see why it's absurd to now claim that animal was selected to live by a selector?

LoLz. Oh how I do love thee budaatum. Bwahahahahaha!

PoliteActivist:


Exactly why they are religions - we don't know enough to have an opinion about God based on understanding

This your "we" bothers me. You haven't bothered to know enough, and you assume everyone else has been lazy like you've been and not bothered to learn anything, so you create us all in your image.

Not everyone knows nothing. For while some of you are perfectly content to live naked and ignorant in the Garden of Eden without daring to eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for fear that you might die, some would pluck the fruit to test for themselves if they will truly die, and that's apart from those the fruit is being cultivated for.