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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 6:24pm On Mar 14
LordReed:


LoLz. Oh how I do love thee budaatum. Bwahahahahaha!

Oh my Lord, I'm certain he'll come up with some retort where his words mean what he says they mean.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 6:25pm On Mar 14
budaatum:


Oh my Lord, I'm certain he'll come up with some retort where his words mean what he says they mean.

Oh sure, their bitchslapped brains must find a way. LoLz.

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 6:43pm On Mar 14
LordReed:


This is not the question I am asking you. You made a claim I am ask you to provide evidence for your claim. Your incredulity at light's property is not evidence of your claim.

Now again can you tell me what property of the universe would allow there to be unlimited speed.

My good but obtuse friend, do you see anywhere below where it says you can increase energy without increasing acceleration??
As long there is increase in energy there ought be increase in speed forever. Do you get it now?

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 7:00pm On Mar 14
LordReed:


LoLz. Still repeating the obvious fact that he published it on April Fool's day to catch idiot's like you mugu. Bwahahahahaha!

My good friend Reed you really ought seriously look at the possibility there's something not quite right.
You are the ONLY one who's talking about April 1st. Do you think this Khan guy decides when articles he submits are published? See someone below commenting on the piece

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 7:35pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:


My good friend Reed you really ought seriously look at the possibility there's something not quite right.
You are the ONLY one who's talking about April 1st. Do you think this Khan guy decides when articles he submits are published? See someone below commenting on the piece

Oh you want to see comments do you. LoLz.

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 7:38pm On Mar 14
LordReed:


Dumdum post where I wrote Natural selection does not select anything.

LMAO! Dumdum do you the meaning of carnivorous and omnivorous? Look them up if you don't.

We know plenty enough to understand what evolution and natural selection are but dummies like you continue to claim what you don't understand or can defend with evidence.

Who posted the underlineds below? Your wife?
(😅When will you stop embarrassing yourself??)

Question is how and why did they become carnivores, omnivores, etc.

You understand, yet you said only reason diabetes survive is because diabetics reproduce!

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 7:56pm On Mar 14
LordReed:


Oh you want to see comments do you. LoLz.

My buddy Reed, really, gotta be something wrong.
I posted a comment from a scientist and you are posting reddit gibberish! And even in your post it says this below.
Lots of serious scientists think it is very likely we live in a simulation. Einstein has deeper insight than most scientists. He came to the same conclusion Khan came to in the article (if you read the article) - that there is someone(s) pulling the strings!

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 8:01pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:


My good but obtuse friend, do you see anywhere below where it says you can increase energy without increasing acceleration??
As long there is increase in energy there ought be increase in speed forever. Do you get it now?

Bwahahahahaha! F = ma only applies at non-relativistic speeds. Oh dear oh dear once again just repeating what you obviously don't understand. LMFAO!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 8:06pm On Mar 14
LordReed:


Bwahahahahaha! F = ma only applies at non-relativistic speeds. Oh dear oh dear once again just repeating what you obviously don't understand. LMFAO!

Exactly. And it SHOULDN'T!! Laws shouldn't change simply because you're approaching a given speed!!!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 8:28pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:


Exactly. And it SHOULDN'T!! Laws shouldn't change simply because you're approaching a given speed!!!

LMFAO! O my fucking Andromeda! Who cares what you think the universe should be like? These are the properties of the universe, your incredulity means nothing. You are just a phony I swear. Bwahahahahahahahahaha!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 8:30pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:


My buddy Reed, really, gotta be something wrong.
I posted a comment from a scientist and you are posting reddit gibberish! And even in your post it says this below.
Lots of serious scientists think it is very likely we live in a simulation. Einstein has deeper insight than most scientists. He came to the same conclusion Khan came to in the article (if you read the article) - that there is someone(s) pulling the strings!

Dumdum you missed this.

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 8:40pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:


Who posted the underlineds below? Your wife?
(😅When will you stop embarrassing yourself??)

Question is how and why did they become carnivores, omnivores, etc.

You understand, yet you said only reason diabetes survive is because diabetics reproduce!

I don't get embarrassed like you do cos I'm not a phony like you. I ought to have been writing nature not natural selection, that's why I was surprised you said I wrote natural selection. The statement should therefore be NATURE does not select anything.

They didn't become carnivores or omnivores dumdum, they've always been carnivores or omnivores.

I said the reason diabetes survives is because the trait for susceptibility continues to be propagated and that diabetic people do not die before they can reproduce. Don't twist my words dumdum.

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 9:00pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:


My good but obtuse friend, do you see anywhere below where it says you can increase energy without increasing acceleration??
As long there is increase in energy there ought be increase in speed forever. Do you get it now?

I do love that you said "there ought be".

It suggests you are aware that you can increase energy without increasing acceleration.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 9:09pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:


Exactly. And it SHOULDN'T!! Laws shouldn't change simply because you're approaching a given speed!!!

But it does! And only fools will disregard reality and insist on sticking with should or shouldn't.

Laws are created by humans who don't always have all the information before them, and that is why we and our laws are not rigid.

An example is, "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth". Though I don't think you'd understand it as a 'law', because it doesn't sound like one.

That was as far as humans of the day and time were capable of understanding, but today we see and understand better such that some claim there was a big bang when God supposedly said "let there be light".

Think of "child" below to mean the entire human race over time, and you might see that we evolve into adults.

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 9:40pm On Mar 14
LordReed:


LMFAO! O my fucking Andromeda! Who cares what you think the universe should be like? These are the properties of the universe, your incredulity means nothing. You are just a phony I swear. Bwahahahahahahahahaha!

budaatum:


But it does! And only fools will disregard reality and insist on sticking with should or shouldn't.

Laws are created by humans who don't always have all the information before them, and that is why we and our laws are not rigid.

An example is, "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth". Though I don't think you'd understand it as a 'law', because it doesn't sound like one.

That was as far as humans of the day and time were capable of understanding, but today we see and understand better such that some claim there was a big bang when God supposedly said "let there be light".

Think of "child" below to mean the entire human race over time, and you might see that we evolve into adults.

**The laws of Physics are NOT created by humans. Discovered not created!

Listen, in this our reality things don't suddenly change for no reason, or suddenly stop or start for no reason. When something starts acting abnormally we don't just gloss it over as just the way things are. We first acknowledge it is abnormal then look for possible reasons why the exception. Same applies to the relatively low speed of light. We ask ourselves WHY laws should suddenly change when you approach that speed!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 9:41pm On Mar 14
budaatum:


But it does! And only fools will disregard reality and insist on sticking with should or shouldn't.

Laws are created by humans who don't always have all the information before them, and that is why we and our laws are not rigid.

An example is, "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth". Though I don't think you'd understand it as a 'law', because it doesn't sound like one.

That was as far as humans of the day and time were capable of understanding, but today we see and understand better such that some claim there was a big bang when God supposedly said "let there be light".

Think of "child" below to mean the entire human race over time, and you might see that we evolve into adults.

Reed called em properties


Activist of dry convo says intelligence or laws or any other thing she gets from xyz online


U use same words in a different way


I say theres no universe, theres nonsense. We are into more than madness or greater madness, life is crazy, death cant fix it, whether or not i make it, damn it!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 9:54pm On Mar 14
budaatum:


But it does! And only fools will disregard reality and insist on sticking with should or shouldn't.

Laws are created by humans who don't always have all the information before them, and that is why we and our laws are not rigid.

An example is, "In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth". Though I don't think you'd understand it as a 'law', because it doesn't sound like one.

That was as far as humans of the day and time were capable of understanding, but today we see and understand better such that some claim there was a big bang when God supposedly said "let there be light".

Think of "child" below to mean the entire human race over time, and you might see that we evolve into adults.

budaatum:


I do love that you said "there ought be".

It suggests you are aware that you can increase energy without increasing acceleration.

You are kind of out of the loop. I don't think you've been following. The discussion is about how the arbitrary cosmic speed limit of speed of light indicates we're in a simulation and it's likely an aspect of the processor speed
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 10:02pm On Mar 14
HellVictorinho6:

I say theres no universe, theres nonsense. We are into more than madness or greater madness, life is crazy, death cant fix it, whether or not i make it, damn it!

It's extremely possible the tangible universe doesn't actually exist and we're all just minds
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 10:07pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:




**The laws of Physics are NOT created by humans. Discovered not created!

Listen, in this our reality things don't suddenly change for no reason, or suddenly stop or start for no reason. When something starts acting abnormally we don't just gloss it over as just the way things are. We first acknowledge it is abnormal then look for possible reasons why the exception. Same applies to the relatively low speed of light. We ask ourselves WHY laws should suddenly change when you approach that speed!

Dude the laws of nature we talk about are descriptive not prescriptive. We are describing the universe not telling the universe how it must behave. Gosh how are you so stubbornly ignorant?!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 10:09pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:

**The laws of Physics are NOT created by humans. Discovered not created!

This is somewhat true. But with history full of laws that humans have abandoned, we must ask ourselves how well we do discover.

Newton’s Law of Gravity was revised by Einstein. Another is Bode's Law that we don't mention anymore.

PoliteActivist:
Listen, in this our reality things don't suddenly change for no reason, or suddenly stop or start for no reason.
This is true. But as far as laws are concerned, as in our human understanding of things, that changes constantly as we learn and know more.

We often see this in technology. There was a time when Nigeria had the technology for only 64,000 landlines, but technological changes due to human understanding has put almost 2 phones in every Nigerian's hands.

PoliteActivist:
When something starts acting abnormally we don't just gloss it over as just the way things are. We first acknowledge it is abnormal then look for possible reasons why the exception. Same applies to the relatively low speed of light. We ask ourselves WHY laws should suddenly change when you approach that speed!
I do like this part. Now apply it to nature and laws.

We ask 'why', and the search for answers increases our human understanding.

Now, and this applies more to you Aemmyjah.
If I stopped asking 'why', and conclude "because God", would you say I'm lazy and ignorant and haven't bothered to learn so that I may know?

Even if I did say "because God", I should still ask Who, What, Where, When, Why and How regarding this supposed God itself, just as Jesus is written to have taught, or at least as some might conclude from his teaching.

Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 10:12pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:


You are kind of out of the loop. I don't think you've been following. The discussion is about how the arbitrary cosmic speed limit of speed of light indicates we're in a simulation and it's likely an aspect of the processor speed

While I am not particularly in the loop of your uncivil conversation with others, I am not out of the loop of the conversation that I am having with you.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 10:12pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:


You are kind of out of the loop. I don't think you've been following. The discussion is about how the arbitrary cosmic speed limit of speed of light indicates we're in a simulation and it's likely an aspect of the processor speed

Dumdum just says it as if it is true. LoLz. Na wa. They really need to teach critical thinking in school so that people stop falling mugu to nonsense. LoLz.

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Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by LordReed(m): 10:18pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:




**The laws of Physics are NOT created by humans. Discovered not created!

Listen, in this our reality things don't suddenly change for no reason, or suddenly stop or start for no reason. When something starts acting abnormally we don't just gloss it over as just the way things are. We first acknowledge it is abnormal then look for possible reasons why the exception. Same applies to the relatively low speed of light. We ask ourselves WHY laws should suddenly change when you approach that speed!

Dumdum does it not occur to you that if this was a simulation that the programmers could simulate any speed they want? Why would the simulation be limited by the processor for crying out loud. Modern processors can simulate faster than light speeds for Andromeda's sake.

Also Dumdum what makes you think the so called simulation programmers are not capable of producing increasingly more powerful processors? Failure to think I swear.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 10:22pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:


It's extremely possible the tangible universe doesn't actually exist and we're all just minds

Place your hand that doesn't actually exist upon a table that doesn't actually exist and hit it hard with a hammer that doesn't actually exist then come and tell me that whatever you feel doesn't actually exist please.

Just so you know, this is Philosophy 101. When you advance small you'd get to meet the likes of Heidegger.

I strongly suggest you learn more instead of assuming everyone knows nothing like you.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 10:45pm On Mar 14
LordReed:


Dude the laws of nature we talk about are descriptive not prescriptive. We are describing the universe not telling the universe how it must behave. Gosh how are you so stubbornly ignorant?!

My friend you sound so stubbornly obtuse. If when you get to Tokyo you find that water flows uphill, human instinct is to find out WHY, not say you can't tell nature what to do. Theorizing and trying to find out as to why an exception is there is NOT telling nature what to do. Hope you can get that through your (I assume) fairly thick skull!
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 11:03pm On Mar 14
budaatum:


This is somewhat true. But with history full of laws that humans have abandoned, we must ask ourselves how well we do discover.

Newton’s Law of Gravity was revised by Einstein. Another is Bode's Law that we don't mention anymore.


This is true. But as far as laws are concerned, as in our human understanding of things, that changes constantly as we learn and know more.

We often see this in technology. There was a time when Nigeria had the technology for only 64,000 landlines, but technological changes due to human understanding has put almost 2 phones in every Nigerian's hands.


I do like this part. Now apply it to nature and laws.

We ask 'why', and the search for answers increases our human understanding.

Now, and this applies more to you Aemmyjah.
If I stopped asking 'why', and conclude "because God", would you say I'm lazy and ignorant and haven't bothered to learn so that I may know?

Even if I did say "because God", I should still ask Who, What, Where, When, Why and How regarding this supposed God itself, just as Jesus is written to have taught, or at least as some might conclude from his teaching.

Point is, it is incumbent upon us to theorize as to WHY the laws suddenly change!
Newton's laws are still valid except when applied near what we're discussing - speed of light!

Thats NOT what I'm discussing with Reed - he is saying it is normal the speed of light be the speed limit in the universe and he doesn't see anything strange about it at all
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 11:11pm On Mar 14
budaatum:


Place your hand that doesn't actually exist upon a table that doesn't actually exist and hit it hard with a hammer that doesn't actually exist then come and tell me that whatever you feel doesn't actually exist please.

Just so you know, this is Philosophy 101. When you advance small you'd get to meet the likes of Heidegger.

I strongly suggest you learn more instead of assuming everyone knows nothing like you.

I'm NOT assuming. I KNOW you don't know ANYTHING - like all humans!
Please tell us what will happen if you do same thing but your brain is disconnected from your hand Or in a dream OR when hypnotized you can't feel pain OR when under heavy pain killer
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 11:17pm On Mar 14
budaatum:


So, no selection whatsoever, right? Just a matter of the animals desire and ability to find food or die.

Can you see why it's absurd to now claim that animal was selected to live by a selector?

LordReed:


LoLz. Oh how I do love thee budaatum. Bwahahahahaha!

I.just saw this. You people are.RIDICULOUS!!
THE ENTIRE PROCESS IS CALLED NATURAL SELECTION!!!
Who but Reed kept harping on a selector??
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 11:23pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:

I.just saw this. You people are.RIDICULOUS!!
THE ENTIRE PROCESS IS CALLED NATURAL SELECTION!!!
Yet, you can't exactly state what does the selecting.

PoliteActivist:
Survival selects.
Does that answer your question?
Why did you claim "survival" selects above, and not nature?

Does survival or nature select to feed you so don't die of hunger?
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by budaatum: 11:26pm On Mar 14
PoliteActivist:


I'm NOT assuming. I KNOW you don't know ANYTHING - like all humans!
Please tell us what will happen if you do same thing but your brain is disconnected from your hand Or in a dream OR when hypnotized you can't feel pain OR when under heavy pain killer

My brain is never disconnected, and I am asking you to perform the experiment with your brain, that you claim doesn't actually exist, intact please.

You can try the disconnected brain version afterwards.
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by HellVictorinho6(m): 12:04am On Mar 15
PoliteActivist:


It's extremely possible the tangible universe doesn't actually exist and we're all just minds

No universe exists

Whether

Tangible or not


But we arent minds


We just call what we express by intention or what we intend to express MIND
Re: Atheists Debate Religionists * by PoliteActivist: 12:20am On Mar 15
budaatum:


While I am not particularly in the loop of your uncivil conversation with others, I am not out of the loop of the conversation that I am having with you.

You jumped into my conversation with the uncivil (u r right) Reed and the way you were talking let me know you did not know what it was all about

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