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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 11:15pm On Mar 25
TenQ:

It has every thing to do with Taoheed.

Please respond to the questions below

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not


Are you afraid?

You definitely don't need my answer to address however it relates or doesn't rel ate to Tawhid. This sure is no case of the game of tag!
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 1:10am On Mar 26
Qasim6:


Talitha does not necessarily mean little girl, it could mean maiden.

What's the etymology of the Aramaic word Talitha?
It means to be small.

Except you are an expert or proficient in ancient aramaic language, I'm sorry but I have to tell U to shove your opinion down your throat.

Pls check for the meaning of etymology b4 u reply me.

Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 1:37am On Mar 26
Qasim6:



You just show how ignorant you are of human history.

You must have lived in 6th century Arabia to have known the custom in the 6th century Arabia.

Umar Ibn-alkattab married ummKulthum when she was between age 10-12


The only evidence of child marriage in ancient Arabic peninsula u could produce was a controversial one.
Islamic scholars couldn't agree if the wedding actually took place.
What a shame!!!
That shows how deeply unpopular such pre teen arrangement marriage was even at that time.

Ali, khuuthum father opposed the marriage because he considered his daughter was too young for such.
Some scholars also claim the marriage didn't take place because she was too young.
Scholars who said the marriage took place wrote Ali agreed only because he was threatened.
Some scholars said it was another khuntum that married caliphate and not ali's daughter.
What a big shame your own evidence testified against U. In a bid to validate nonsense, people end up becoming ridiculous.

https://en.wikishia.net/view/Marriage_of_Umm_Kulthum_with_%27Umar_b._al-Khattab

Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 2:02am On Mar 26
Qasim6:



The Quraysh of Macca called the prophet all sort of names, he was not criticized for his marriage with Aisha.

During the middle ages, Prophet Muhammad was criticized in Europe, they spawn different kind of lies against him to justify the crusades. No criticism about his marriage with Aisha.

Renaissance period, Europeans wrote lot of books about prophet Muhammad/Islam. No criticism about his marriage with Aisha.

In 1697 one of them by the name Pridaux even wrote a book to attack the Prophet, he ended up defending him regarding his marriage with Aisha.

Concerning his marriage with Aisha he wrote
"After the death of Khadijah, he married Aisha the daughter of Abubakr; Sawda and Hafsa. Aisha was 6yrs old, though he did not bed her till 2 (3) yrs after when she was fully 8(9), for it is usual in those hot climates as it is in all India which is the same clime with Arabia for women to be ripe for marriage at that age and also bear children the year following".

The question is why did this criticism of child marriage against Muhammad start in the late 19th century?


So? What does above prove? That everyone was doing it made it right?
When did slavery become a crime and immoral.
19th century?
Does that mean it was a moral practice prior to 19th century.

I keep saying it, if Jesus owed slaves, I will be the last to follow him.
I can never put my faith in someone who cannot be best example of all times and in everything.

Qasim6:

The fact that she was called a woman prove nothing.


So we now getting to a level where Muslims can't define woman anymore
I thought its only LGBTQ that can't define woman, now Muslims have joined them.

Qasim define woman. Who is a woman.

Qasim6:

Our agenda is to expose your anachronism and hypocrisy just to criticize Muhammad. Because it is either you are ignorant of human history or you are hypocrite.

There's nothing to expose. Muhammed's action speak for itself. Personally I don't have a problem with your prophet marrying a 6 year old because your quran condone it.
The problem is I see sleeping with a child as an immoral act. Simple.
I will never follow a prophet who is known to have slept with a child.

Qasim6:

Lol. Seriously, so it doesn't matter to you if human are killed unjustly In as much as it is the God you believe in order their killings. How are you different from terrorist? They also believe they are doing God's work by killing Infidels.

Do terrorist have divine mandate to execute God's judgement on earth?
If the answer is no, then they are committing murder.

Anyway we are now in the dispensation of grace and not the law. So the era of instant judgement for disobedience is gone.
Qasim6:

What I was pointing out to you was not killing young virgin girls so they can have them. Is it moral?


God never told the Israelites what to to do with those young girls. Pls read the passage properly.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 3:27am On Mar 26
Ohyoudidnt:


What did the Quran copy?

The Quran is a revelation.
There's nothing revelation about Jesus speaking at birth or Mary growing up in seclusion. infancy gospel of thomas and protoevangelium had it all written down.

But the problem is how come the story of Jesus and Mary in the Quran were unheard of in the 1st century when the eye witnesses were alive. How come people started reading about these strories 150 yrs after the death of Mary and apostles.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 5:29am On Mar 26
SIRTee15:

There's nothing revelation about Jesus speaking at birth or Mary growing up in seclusion. infancy gospel of thomas and protoevangelium had it all written down.

But the problem is how come the story of Jesus and Mary in the Quran were unheard of in the 1st century when the eye witnesses were alive. How come people started reading about these strories 150 yrs after the death of Mary and apostles.

Definitely there's a huge difference between a baby speaking at birth or within the first three months (estimation is mine) and a young child speaking. There then is the huge question why the Gospel of Thomas is not accepted into the Cannon.

This Gospel is even seen as heretical. However this may be it is further confirmation on how you reject some and accept others. How sure is it that those accepted are not invalid while those rejected are more credible?

There's no problem.

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 6:08am On Mar 26
Ohyoudidnt:


These questions have been asked by you repeatedly in and out of this subject.

Pretty much like a broken record I'm afraid. You have been answered by different people but you always go around with these same sets of straws.

I'll pass thank you.
But at least two of these questions I've never asked a single Muslim on Nairaland


1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not


I've reduced it into two questions for you.


Are you still afraid?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by IslamVIRGINS(f): 8:56am On Mar 26
Ohyoudidnt:


You don't think but are not clairvoyant or are you? Write out the text then we'll see.

You want to deny the fact that nothing like fckking in aljanat with 72 virgins, you can't defend the sex paradise of allah after I dropped different hadeeths that shows the variety numbers of houris you shall have sex romp with

The hadeeth that surprised me most is the one that narrate the 100 houris you are bleeping just in a morning. Indeed it is good to be allah's slaves
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 9:28am On Mar 26
IslamVIRGINS:


You want to deny the fact that nothing like fckking in aljanat with 72 virgins, you can't defend the sex paradise of allah after I dropped different hadeeths that shows the variety numbers of houris you shall have sex romp with

The hadeeth that surprised me most is the one that narrate the 100 houris you are bleeping just in a morning. Indeed it is good to be allah's slaves

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The MI6 and KGB need lessons from you on question evasion and refusal to answer.

I had long pointed out the queried authenticity of some of these hadiths. This is followed with questions on if you say/believe in the lord's prayer with a request you post it's contents.

You refuse to share only pointing at your Bible verses with a refusal to post. Text too long to type or cannot be copied?

Oh well enjoy your right to refuse to answer.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 9:35am On Mar 26
TenQ:

But at least two of these questions I've never asked a single Muslim on Nairaland


1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
2. Can Allah enter his creation?
3. Is it true that Muslims will see Allah on the day of Judgement?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not


I've reduced it into two questions for you.


Are you still afraid?

I refuse to answer any of your repeat or straw appending questions.

I have shown the irrefutable core principle of monotheistic belief of Islam and challenged you to show same in your religion.

It remains a mystery to me how 1 is 3 or is it 3 that are 1.

Having a human mind, body and soul is not comparable as these are not mutually exclusive or inclusive. Have you seen a soul or spirit before? Is the spirit/soul at any point somewhere and the body at another?

Of the soul/spirit, body or mind which is the greatest? I believe in the Father,son and holy spirit the father is the greatest.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 10:53am On Mar 26
Ohyoudidnt:


I refuse to answer any of your repeat or straw appending questions.

I have shown the irrefutable core principle of monotheistic belief of Islam and challenged you to show same in your religion.

You refuse to answer because my questions exposes your deceptions and deviations from the true Islam.

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not


You said what you believed about Islam but you wouldn't allow us to test its validity with simple questions. Some people believe that the COW is their mother: a statement of believe is nothing if it cannot be tested with questions.

I gave you two full pages I explanation of the Christian doctrine to which you had zero answers to.
Ohyoudidnt:

It remains a mystery to me how 1 is 3 or is it 3 that are 1.

Probably because Allah has stolen your cognitive faculties.
1. When Jibril became a perfect man to see Mary, did he stop being an angel?
2. Did your prophet truly see Abraham and Moses in paradise or not when he rode on the Al-Buraq to paradise?
3. Why would Angels question your soul instead of your body that you used to commit all manner of filthy sins?

Of course only a reprobate mind on his way to hell fire will still be confused!

Ohyoudidnt:

Having a human mind, body and soul is not comparable as these are not mutually exclusive or inclusive. Have you seen a soul or spirit before? Is the spirit/soul at any point somewhere and the body at another?

Are you saying that the Soul/Spirit of a man doesn't exist using your proof that no one has seen them?

Your last question just show exactly how naive you are?

When your prophet went to paradise, we're the prophets first resurrected and take to heaven so that Mohammed can see them?

Ohyoudidnt:

Of the soul/spirit, body or mind which is the greatest? I believe in the Father,son and holy spirit the father is the greatest.
1. The Body, Soul and Spirit are meant to function as ONE.
2. Death is a aberration that disconnect the Body from the Soul/Spirit.
3. Resurrection is a restoration of the perfect nature of man. Even those in Hell Fire like Mohammed will have their bodies restored to them.

The Father is greater than the Son only because the Word humbled Himself as such (The Word CANNOT feel the pain of hunger or wound or Lack BUT the Son can) . Even then, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit function as ONE just as your Body, Soul and Spirit function as ONE Being.

Too bad you don't understand the concept of God's Love nor the concept of Sin!
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 12:20pm On Mar 26
TenQ:

You refuse to answer because my questions exposes your deceptions and deviations from the true Islam.

1. Where then is Allah according to Mohammed?
4. Is Al-Bait-al-Ma'mur a real house or not


You said what you believed about Islam but you wouldn't allow us to test its validity with simple questions. Some people believe that the COW is their mother: a statement of believe is nothing if it cannot be tested with questions.

I gave you two full pages I explanation of the Christian doctrine to which you had zero answers to.

Probably because Allah has stolen your cognitive faculties.
1. When Jibril became a perfect man to see Mary, did he stop being an angel?
2. Did your prophet truly see Abraham and Moses in paradise or not when he rode on the Al-Buraq to paradise?
3. Why would Angels question your soul instead of your body that you used to commit all manner of filthy sins?

Of course only a reprobate mind on his way to hell fire will still be confused!


Are you saying that the Soul/Spirit of a man doesn't exist using your proof that no one has seen them?

Your last question just show exactly how naive you are?

When your prophet went to paradise, we're the prophets first resurrected and take to heaven so that Mohammed can see them?


1. The Body, Soul and Spirit are meant to function as ONE.
2. Death is a aberration that disconnect the Body from the Soul/Spirit.
3. Resurrection is a restoration of the perfect nature of man. Even those in Hell Fire like Mohammed will have their bodies restored to them.

The Father is greater than the Son only because the Word humbled Himself as such (The Word CANNOT feel the pain of hunger or wound or Lack BUT the Son can) . Even then, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit function as ONE just as your Body, Soul and Spirit function as ONE Being.

Too bad you don't understand the concept of God's Love nor the concept of Sin!

Thank you very much.

Indeed, Allah is described in the Qur'an as the Creator of everything. The word of Allah refers to His command,speech, and the revelations He sent down to His
prophets. For instance, the Qur'an, which is the direct Word of Allah, was revealed for guidance.


Allah says in the Qur'an:

"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian. (Qur'an 15:9)

The concept of the 'Word' of Allah also includes the command "Be, and it is" (kun fa-yakun), which is mentioned in several places in the Quran (e.g., 2:117,
3:47, 6:73, 16:40, 19:35, 36:82, 40:68) to describe the ease and immediacy with which Allah can will anything into existence.

Apply all these to your monotheistic triune belief.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 12:31pm On Mar 26
Ohyoudidnt:


Definitely there's a huge difference between a baby speaking at birth or within the first three months (estimation is mine) and a young child speaking. There then is the huge question why the Gospel of Thomas is not accepted into the Cannon.

This Gospel is even seen as heretical. However this may be it is further confirmation on how you reject some and accept others. How sure is it that those accepted are not invalid while those rejected are more credible?

There's no problem.

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

One of my headache with U is u don't learn anything in our conversation. I actually read your texts and learn from it if it makes sense. But otherwise is your case.
How can a text written 180 yrs after the said events be considered canon. It means whoever wrote it wasn't an eye witness and nobody who knew Jesus could confirm the book as true.

I told U infancy gospel of Thomas which the Koran copied was written in the mid 2nd century.

Pls do not confuse infancy gospel of Thomas with another book called the gospel of Thomas. The one I'm referring to here is the former. Infancy gospel of Thomas is the one that has stories seen in the Koran.

Gospel of Thomas is a logia and not a gospel. And was equally written in the 2nd century.
Now if that's the gospel U actually referring to here, then know the gospel claim Thomas is the twin brother of Jesus and that everyone can become begotten son of God like Jesus.
Well if that's the gospel U want to embrace, good luck.
But I will definitely consider it heretic.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 12:31pm On Mar 26
Ohyoudidnt:


Definitely there's a huge difference between a baby speaking at birth or within the first three months (estimation is mine) and a young child speaking. There then is the huge question why the Gospel of Thomas is not accepted into the Cannon.

This Gospel is even seen as heretical. However this may be it is further confirmation on how you reject some and accept others. How sure is it that those accepted are not invalid while those rejected are more credible?

There's no problem.

Quran 2:79
So woe to those who distort the Scripture with their own hands then say, “This is from Allah”—seeking a fleeting gain! So woe to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they have earned.

Now I will tell U the criteria we used in the canonisation of the gospel. Pls pay attention because if you ask me why some apocryphal gospels were not part of our canon without making reference to these criteria, I will simple ignore u.
It takes a lot of time and effort to come here to write, and the least U expect is for the reader to digest and understand it. U don't need to accept it but read it.

1. The gospel must be written by someone who knew Jesus or knew the disciples of Jesus.
2. It must be an eye witness account i.e written within the lifetime of those who saw, knew and spoke to Jesus Christ. Essentially it must be written in the first century.
3. The written gospel must conform with the oral gospel. B4 the written gospel, there was the oral tradition. People were reciting the logia of Jesus when believers meet.
If the written gospel contain unfamiliar narrations or strange stories unheard in the oral gospel, it will be rejected.
4. The gospel must have approval of the early church or the authority of apostolic fathers. This is to be certain heretic ideology do not find it's way into the gospel.
Even the teaching of Paul had to be subjected to scrutiny by the Jerusalem Church, and was approved b4 Paul could continue his preaching amongst the gentiles. Read acts 15 for understanding.
5. There must be evidence the gospel was read in early churches or mentioned by the apostolic fathers in their own works.

Cc Qasim, expanse, honesttalk, antiChristian. This is also for U.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 1:18pm On Mar 26
Ohyoudidnt:


You definitely don't need my answer to address however it relates or doesn't rel ate to Tawhid. This sure is no case of the game of tag!
You don't know him. I know him very well. He is online anti Islam agent of enemy of Islam on Nairaland . With any iota of doubt, he is on salary. The main issue is that he has been ROBOTICALLY PROGRAMED to:
1.Jump from one ignorant to another about Allah, Islam, Muhammad (saw) , Muslim and Islamic teaching.
2. Argue, with its robotic contents (Christianized Quran, fake Hadith and Arabic language).
3. Claim he knows everything about Islam religions ; he is a master in Arabic linguistics translation and interpretation of Qur'an as you must have noticed. How do you see that when Muslim scholar are always caution themselves from 'words or actions of l know all about Islam '
4. Finally, being robotically programed as ANTI ISLAM, it is wasting of time explaining to him, no matter how logical and tangible your argument to convince, not even to convert him. In other words, if not deactivated, re- programmed and rebooted to reasoning , not even processing against his remote controllers , engaging him now is exercise in futility.
This is why I have stopped arguing with him on Islam. Argue with him on Christianity, you will see how he will be dodging it with wrong or irrelevant Islam matter. At moment, I listed verses of bible that Christian are ashamed of in the early bible and they REMOVED OR REVISED them in modern bible. Till now, in this trend, not one of them did he acknowledge or comment on simply because, ALLAH AND TAWHID matter to him more than problem of his holy lie bible that sons of biblical God discovered is never an issue.

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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 1:27pm On Mar 26
SIRTee15:


Now I will tell U the criteria we used in the canonisation of the gospel. Pls pay attention because if you ask me why some apocryphal gospels were not part of our canon without making reference to these criteria, I will simple ignore u.
It takes a lot of time and effort to come here to write, and the least U expect is for the reader to digest and understand it. U don't need to accept it but read it.

1. The gospel must be written by someone who knew Jesus or knew the disciples of Jesus.
2. It must be an eye witness account i.e written within the lifetime of those who saw, knew and spoke to Jesus Christ. Essentially it must be written in the first century.
3. The written gospel must conform with the oral gospel. B4 the written gospel, there was the oral tradition. People were reciting the logia of Jesus when believers meet.
If the written gospel contain unfamiliar narrations or strange stories unheard in the oral gospel, it will be rejected.
4. The gospel must have approval of the early church or the authority of apostolic fathers. This is to be certain heretic ideology do not find it's way into the gospel.
Even the teaching of Paul had to be subjected to scrutiny by the Jerusalem Church, and was approved b4 Paul could continue his preaching amongst the gentiles. Read acts 15 for understanding.

Cc Qasim, expanse, honesttalk, antiChristian. This is also for U.


Those criteria have:
1. WHAT TO DO WITH GOD, IF TRULY HE IS INFALLIBLE AND HIS WORDS ARE CONTAIN IN THE BIBLE as tagged as Holy Bible'
2. Been forgetten or not applied before present discovered and deleted bible verses I listed for you that you are running away from?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 1:42pm On Mar 26
Ohyoudidnt:


I refuse to answer any of your repeat or straw appending questions.

I have shown the irrefutable core principle of monotheistic belief of Islam and challenged you to show same in your religion.

It remains a mystery to me how 1 is 3 or is it 3 that are 1.

Having a human mind, body and soul is not comparable as these are not mutually exclusive or inclusive. Have you seen a soul or spirit before? Is the spirit/soul at any point somewhere and the body at another?

Of the soul/spirit, body or mind which is the greatest? I believe in the Father,son and holy spirit the father is the greatest.

Discuss trinity with me. It's better than the boring Aisha and Muhammed problem or the gnostic gospels U ve not done enough research about.
Debating above with U is tiring.

U will never accept humping a 9 yr old girl is immoral. The day U accept is the day U leave Islam. So there's no point.
U don't know enough about the gospel canon to make the debate interesting and challenging. I keep having to correct your blunders and errors and it makes the whole thing uninteresting.


Debate me on trinity. I promise U will be cured of your trinity ignorance. I will show U trinity korokoro in the bible.

I always say it, trinity is very simple and easy to understand. If it's complex- I will never believe in it.

I presume U know enough about trinity- all Muslim do. Then let's discuss. I will also go ahead and dislocate your believe about the oneness of your Allah because he's definitely not one.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 2:28pm On Mar 26
gaskiyamagana:

Those criteria have:
1. WHAT TO DO WITH GOD, IF TRULY HE IS INFALLIBLE AND HIS WORDS ARE CONTAIN IN THE BIBLE as tagged as Holy Bible'
2. Been forgetten or not applied before present discovered and deleted bible verses I listed for you that you are running away from?

I really can't make sense of what U wrote up there. U may want to explain yourself better.
We are talking about the canonisation of the gospel. That's different from reliability of the gospel or new testament.

Are U asking about the later? There are both external and internal evidence of why the gospel is reliable.

I can't remember avoiding your question. U must confuse me with someone else
But being the so called verses here. But pls one at a time. We resolve a verse and then U bring another. Not dumbing multiple verses and start shouting contradiction.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 3:03pm On Mar 26
SIRTee15:


I really can't make sense of what U wrote up there. U may want to explain yourself better.
We are talking about the canonisation of the gospel. That's different from reliability of the gospel or new testament.

Are U asking about the later? There are both external and internal evidence of why the gospel is reliable.

I can't remember avoiding your question. U must confuse me with someone else
But being the so called verses here. But pls one at a time. We resolve a verse and then U bring another. Not dumbing multiple verses and start shouting contradiction.
I know you very very well. I will continue to follow you and your different users name and colleagues in mission of distorting the teachings of Islam to confuse whoever is confusseable or gullible Muslims, and pay blind eyes to your fake religion and its confusions.
How not relevant that your Biblical God and Christianity you are trying hard to defend against Islam , are CONFUSIONED together in your book from which you quote numerously to prove your God and religion is full of verses, as errors and mistakes , not worthy of leaving in the Bible and to be removed or review ?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by SIRTee15: 3:14pm On Mar 26
gaskiyamagana:

I know you very very well. I will continue to follow you and your different users name and colleagues in mission of distorting the teachings of Islam to confuse whoever is confusseable or gullible Muslims, and pay blind eyes to your fake religion and its confusions.
How not relevant that your Biblical God and Christianity you are trying hard to defend against Islam , are CONFUSIONED together in your book from which you quote numerously to prove your God and religion is full of verses, as errors and mistakes , not worthy of leaving in the Bible and to be removed or review ?

What are U yapping about.
If have any any reasonable to say, spill it out otherwise shut up.
I've always suspected U to be an islamic radical. Useful to loot and burn churches but not for any intellectual discussion.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by TenQ: 3:25pm On Mar 26
Ohyoudidnt:


Thank you very much.

Indeed, Allah is described in the Qur'an as the Creator of everything. The word of Allah refers to His command,speech, and the revelations He sent down to His
prophets. For instance, the Qur'an, which is the direct Word of Allah, was revealed for guidance.


Allah says in the Qur'an:

"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian. (Qur'an 15:9)

The concept of the 'Word' of Allah also includes the command "Be, and it is" (kun fa-yakun), which is mentioned in several places in the Quran (e.g., 2:117,
3:47, 6:73, 16:40, 19:35, 36:82, 40:68) to describe the ease and immediacy with which Allah can will anything into existence.

Apply all these to your monotheistic triune belief.
Let me assume you have finally thrown in the towel about answering my simple questions to test your claim of Allah!
Like I said:
A believe is NOTHING if it cannot be questioned according to the records of the belief in Question.

Now, you brought in the issue of the WORD "Be! " or Kunfayakun of Allah and the Qur'an.

Let me ask you this Question :
1. Is the Qur'an Created by Allah or it is just a mere Attribute of Allah?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 4:10pm On Mar 26
SIRTee15:


One of my headache with U is u don't learn anything in our conversation. I actually read your texts and learn from it if it makes sense. But otherwise is your case.
How can a text written 180 yrs after the said events be considered canon. It means whoever wrote it wasn't an eye witness and nobody who knew Jesus could confirm the book as true.

I told U infancy gospel of Thomas which the Koran copied was written in the mid 2nd century.

Pls do not confuse infancy gospel of Thomas with another book called the gospel of Thomas. The one I'm referring to here is the former. Infancy gospel of Thomas is the one that has stories seen in the Koran.

Gospel of Thomas is a logia and not a gospel. And was equally written in the 2nd century.
Now if that's the gospel U actually referring to here, then know the gospel claim Thomas is the twin brother of Jesus and that everyone can become begotten son of God like Jesus.
Well if that's the gospel U want to embrace, good luck.
But I will definitely consider it heretic.

Thank you.


The Gospel of Thomas of emphasizes spiritual wisdom, introspection, and esoteric teachings attributed to Jesus, presenting a more philosophical perspective. On the other hand; the Infancy Gospel of Thomas focuses on miraculous deeds performed by Jesus during his childhood, depicting him in a manner that diverges significantly from the traditional image found in the canonical Gospels.

In either case though references are made to Jesus speaking as a child, but they differ significantly in their content and purpose. Summarily they refer to Jesus speaking from an age of 5 which isn't so unusual as the child normally has developed good auditory function.

The Quran reports Jesus speaking as a baby well under 3 months and quite intelligently for the age. The fundamental question is why you claim the Quran copied this from apocrypha or non cannon text. This is really a rhetoric question.

SIRTee15:


Now I will tell U the criteria we used in the canonisation of the gospel. Pls pay attention because if you ask me why some apocryphal gospels were not part of our canon without making reference to these criteria, I will simple ignore u.
It takes a lot of time and effort to come here to write, and the least U expect is for the reader to digest and understand it. U don't need to accept it but read it.

1. The gospel must be written by someone who knew Jesus or knew the disciples of Jesus.
2. It must be an eye witness account i.e written within the lifetime of those who saw, knew and spoke to Jesus Christ. Essentially it must be written in the first century.
3. The written gospel must conform with the oral gospel. B4 the written gospel, there was the oral tradition. People were reciting the logia of Jesus when believers meet.
If the written gospel contain unfamiliar narrations or strange stories unheard in the oral gospel, it will be rejected.
4. The gospel must have approval of the early church or the authority of apostolic fathers. This is to be certain heretic ideology do not find it's way into the gospel.
Even the teaching of Paul had to be subjected to scrutiny by the Jerusalem Church, and was approved b4 Paul could continue his preaching amongst the gentiles. Read acts 15 for understanding.
5. There must be evidence the gospel was read in early churches or mentioned by the apostolic fathers in their own works.

Cc Qasim, expanse, honesttalk, antiChristian. This is also for U.

Noted
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by IslamVIRGINS(f): 4:37pm On Mar 26
Ohyoudidnt:


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The MI6 and KGB need lessons from you on question evasion and refusal to answer.

I had long pointed out the queried authenticity of some of these hadiths. This is followed with questions on if you say/believe in the lord's prayer with a request you post it's contents.

You refuse to share only pointing at your Bible verses with a refusal to post. Text too long to type or cannot be copied?

Oh well enjoy your right to refuse to answer.

You mean Sahih Bukhari is not authentic?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by ANTllSLAAM: 8:51pm On Mar 26
gaskiyamagana:

You don't know him. I know him very well. He is online anti Islam agent of enemy of Islam on Nairaland . With any iota of doubt, he is on salary. The main issue is that he has been ROBOTICALLY PROGRAMED to:
1.Jump from one ignorant to another about Allah, Islam, Muhammad (saw) , Muslim and Islamic teaching.
2. Argue, with its robotic contents (Christianized Quran, fake Hadith and Arabic language).
3. Claim he knows everything about Islam religions ; he is a master in Arabic linguistics translation and interpretation of Qur'an as you must have noticed. How do you see that when Muslim scholar are always caution themselves from 'words or actions of l know all about Islam '
4. Finally, being robotically programed as ANTI ISLAM, it is wasting of time explaining to him, no matter how logical and tangible your argument to convince, not even to convert him. In other words, if not deactivated, re- programmed and rebooted to reasoning , not even processing against his remote controllers , engaging him now is exercise in futility.
This is why I have stopped arguing with him on Islam. Argue with him on Christianity, you will see how he will be dodging it with wrong or irrelevant Islam matter. At moment, I listed verses of bible that Christian are ashamed of in the early bible and they REMOVED OR REVISED them in modern bible. Till now, in this trend, not one of them did he acknowledge or comment on simply because, ALLAH AND TAWHID matter to him more than problem of his holy lie bible that sons of biblical God discovered is never an issue.

Sufu, you fit help him answering those questions
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by Ohyoudidnt: 10:00pm On Mar 26
TenQ:

Let me assume you have finally thrown in the towel about answering my simple questions to test your claim of Allah!
Like I said:
A believe is NOTHING if it cannot be questioned according to the records of the belief in Question.

Now, you brought in the issue of the WORD "Be! " or Kunfayakun of Allah and the Qur'an.

Let me ask you this Question :
1. Is the Qur'an Created by Allah or it is just a mere Attribute of Allah?

What? We have had it concisely addressed that Islam is fundamentally monotheistic. This is Tauhid.

That we don't have a similar contradiction of a triune trinity monotheism is what you haven't proven.

Simply put your further questions are just blank shots unrelated to monotheism.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 10:15pm On Mar 26
ANTllSLAAM:


Sufu, you fit help him answering those questions
As long as you are incapable of answering why biblical God is FALLIBLE , ERRORBILE AND MISTAKEABLE as a result of which his sons are now deleting removing and correcting him , in relation to the verses I listed before, you and others are only on Nairaland religion section NUISANCE in discussing Islam or disputing Allah .

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Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 10:18pm On Mar 26
IslamVIRGINS:


You mean Sahih Bukhari is not authentic?
The Christianized one you are hypocritically proud of.
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 10:24pm On Mar 26
SIRTee15:


What are U yapping about.
If have any any reasonable to say, spill it out otherwise shut up.
I've always suspected U to be an islamic radical. Useful to loot and burn churches but not for any intellectual discussion.
Intellectual discussion with anti Islam roboticalized person like you who knows 'everything ' about Islam but knew not why his religion God is FALLIBLE, ERRORBILE AND MISTAKEABLE in his words that his sons are now deleting, removing and correcting because of shame those words/ verses are bringing on them concerning their faith?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 10:39pm On Mar 26
SIRTee15:


I really can't make sense of what U wrote up there. U may want to explain yourself better.
We are talking about the canonisation of the gospel. That's different from reliability of the gospel or new testament.

Are U asking about the later? There are both external and internal evidence of why the gospel is reliable.
You are together in faith and fighting against Islam with different fake, false and falsified and misinterpreted Qur'an verses and Hadith.
TenQ as your leader, with different posting names, he is frustrated and clueless to be quoting Qur'an to dodge reply to why or how FALLIBLE, ERRORBILE AND MISTAKEABLE was biblical God that his sons are now deleting, removing and correcting him in by deleting the following verses of early bible from the present Bible:
MATTHEW 17:21. 23:14, 18:11
MARK 7:16, 9:44, 46, 11:26. 15:28
LUKE 17:36
JOHN 5:3-4, 7-8.
ACTS 8:37, 15:34, 24 6-8, 28:29
ROMAN 16:24.


Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 10:46pm On Mar 26
TenQ:

Except that Allah is supposed to be either stuck on his throne (carried by the angels) in heaven or stuck here on earth's lowest heaven.

They can't answer to the contradictions. The more the manufacture lies to prop up Allah, Mohammed and Islam, the more they get entangled in their fables.
Just as you are entangled in not knowing why some words/verses in bible are no longer reasonable to be there, therefore the were removed?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 10:49pm On Mar 26
[quote author=FxMasterz post=128709008][/quote]
Why then some verses of early bible were deleted from modern Bibles if biblical God don't make mistake?
Re: Muslims are oblivious of the Serious Flaws in the Taoheed (Oneness of Allah)! by gaskiyamagana: 10:52pm On Mar 26
TenQ:

This is the pitiful state in which the Muslims are!

Amen! Let the Blind begin to see in Jesus mighty name
The One Who sent me is Bigger than me. In other words, name of the one who sent Jesus is mightier than Jesus name. Stop the overzealousness.

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