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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56(f): 1:49pm On Mar 26
Agbalowomeri:
This 50m portfolio could turn 30m
Could also be vice versa........50m turn to 80m tongue
Oga Agba, your GTCO of 18 turned to more than double.. lipsrsealed

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Streetinvestor2: 1:52pm On Mar 26
Agbalowomeri:


This 50m portfolio could turn 30m
Yes my oga but not when he is sitting on stocks like gtbank,lol
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56(f): 2:00pm On Mar 26
ExcessKJ:
@yMcy56 please, if Morrison was not pump yesterday with a single deal of a volume of 132,093, then why didn't other listed companies not appreciate even more yesterday since some volumes were in millions. Regarding vwap, I found out is values traded for the day divided by volume for the day - which I believe should best indicate ideal price of that stock
Ok will do.

Give examples of stocks with million volumes with no corresponding price appreciation.
* Note that it's possible anyway, in as much as there's no single trade/crossing up to 100k or above.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Agbalowomeri: 2:04pm On Mar 26
yMcy56:

Could also be vice versa........50m turn to 80m tongue
Oga Agba, your GTCO of 18 turned to more than double.. lipsrsealed

He said current portfolio
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56(f): 2:05pm On Mar 26
Streetinvestor2:
Yes my oga but not when he is sitting on stocks like gtbank,lol
Gotten at grave robber price @ sub 20 grin
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56(f): 2:13pm On Mar 26
Agbalowomeri:

He said current portfolio
Oga mi you know say na joke I dey with ur GTCO o. grin

I however think it depends on the cost price of the stocks in the portfolio..... Except he's insinuating that he bought @CPs
If for instance, he has Sugar @17, SALT @13, Conoil @18, MRS @12, SEPLAT @350, GTCO@17, ZEE @18 cost price, then we can't just conclude it could turn to loss easily like that..
I believed he must have weigh his options not to Rebalance the portfolio at loss sha.
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Boshins: 2:17pm On Mar 26

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Zagee: 2:23pm On Mar 26
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by emmanuelewumi(m): 2:32pm On Mar 26
Boshins:
Update....https://nairametrics.com/2024/03/26/cbn-raises-benchmark-mpr-by-200-basis-points-to-24-75/


Na WA ooooo, fixed income yield might rise to 22% by next week

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by debeey87(m): 2:33pm On Mar 26
I want to believe this has more to do with one's age wrt to risk exposure like @ginalex said. Thank you and to all the other contributors as well.

emmanuelewumi:



Personal finance experts believe we should subtract our age from 110 whatever you get is the percentage of your portfolio that should be in equities. Although I use 120.


Meaning if you are 30 years old. That is 110 minus 30 will give you 80. That is 80% to equities and 20% to fixed income
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by ositadima1(m): 3:24pm On Mar 26
Agbalowomeri:


Lol how do you think people make money in financial markets? There is no vacuum. As someone is making big money, another is losing big money. If you don't come to terms with this, then .....

This is not entirely true. It depends on what you do in the market. If everyone in the market is in it for speculative reasons, then yes, someone will have to lose for some other person to gain, for example, with all these digital coins. However, if you are an investor who strictly follows investing strategies, then you grow along with your company. The value of a company grows over time, and so does its valuation, as long as they are doing the right things.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by chillykelly86(m): 3:35pm On Mar 26
yMcy56:

Oga mi you know say na joke I dey with ur GTCO o. grin

I however think it depends on the cost price of the stocks in the portfolio..... Except he's insinuating that he bought @CPs
If for instance, he has Sugar @17, SALT @13, Conoil @18, MRS @12, SEPLAT @350, GTCO@17, ZEE @18 cost price, then we can't just conclude it could turn to loss easily like that..
I believed he must have weigh his options not to Rebalance the portfolio at loss sha.

The scenario you're painting is not ideal for that question, Madam. The prices he bought those stocks at isn't relevant to the future gain/loss potential. As at today, he has about 50m worth of value. Equities market should be appreciated for growing his funds. But he should put emotions aside and look at the potential benefits of continuing to hold the stocks at current prices vs the yield from fixed income.

In reality, it's not all black and white. I don't believe in leaving the market totally. If stocks are overvalued, I recommend you sell down and get assets with better potentials and vice versa. Of course, this is my perspective.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by ExcessKJ(m): 5:23pm On Mar 26
yMcy56:

Ok will do.

Give examples of stocks with million volumes with no corresponding price appreciation.
* Note that it's possible anyway, in as much as there's no single trade/crossing up to 100k or above.

If I get your point correctly, do you mean that price of stock on NSE don't appreciate or depreciate until at least one single deal among all deal for the day traded 100,000 unit of that particular stock?
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by KarlTom: 5:30pm On Mar 26
That's correct grin
ExcessKJ:


If I get your point correctly, do you mean that price of stock on NSE don't appreciate or depreciate until at least one single deal among all deal for the day traded 100,000 unit of that particular stock?
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Streetinvestor2: 5:30pm On Mar 26
chillykelly86:


The scenario you're painting is not ideal for that question, Madam. The prices he bought those stocks at isn't relevant to the future gain/loss potential. As at today, he has about 50m worth of value. Equities market should be appreciated for growing his funds. But he should put emotions aside and look at the potential benefits of continuing to hold the stocks at current prices vs the yield from fixed income.

In reality, it's not all black and white. I don't believe in leaving the market totally. If stocks are overvalued, I recommend you sell down and get assets with better potentials and vice versa. Of course, this is my perspective.
Nice submission. Can anyone beat his chest and say a particular stock is over valued when different things push price up or down on nse
Can you say transcorp power is over valued when many here used geregu price as yard stick for thr purchase. etc.
I stand with mcy on mentioning the price he picked the equity.And I believe that is why Emma mentioned his BE and decide to sell some ratio.

I will never jump on fixed income because of its returns when my equity investment has given me tremendous capital appreciation.

Ask loco, His style of investment will tell you anything can happen on any stock though I don't believe in dead companies that are alive on paper.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by KarlTom: 5:36pm On Mar 26
I want to put this out there: do not use all your resources to purchase fixed instruments.
I am currently speaking from experience.

The FI might give guaranteed returns but the equity market could give exponential returns. grin
One thing that should be a constant factor is a healthy RISK APPETITE and PATIENCE.

If you commit to FI, you're stuck till maturity... wink

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Zagee: 5:39pm On Mar 26
KarlTom:
I want to put this out there: do not use all your resources to purchase fixed instruments.
I am currently speaking from experience.

The FI might give guaranteed returns but the equity market could give exponential returns. grin
One thing that should be a constant factor is a healthy RISK APPETITE and PATIENCE.

If you commit to FI, you're stuck till maturity... wink

Then you have not been paying attention to Oga Emma. You will repeat class oo grin

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56(f): 5:49pm On Mar 26
debeey87:
If you have a stock portfolio of over 50m,
Will you sell to generate fixed income of at least 10m given current rates of over 20%. If not how will you balance your portfolio to also take advantage of bothe the ngx and fixed income rates. Total annual dividend from same portfolio is less than 4m
Agbalowomeri:

This 50m portfolio could turn 30m
@Chillykelly8 I understand wetin I dey talk o, not expecting anyone to agree with me as per say I be amateur grin

See the scenario from debee and the response from Agba.......
My response to Agba was a view from another angle because I saw his response as one sided.

** Take note of "The total annual dividend from both portfolio as less than 4M" from Debee

If you say the 50M could become 30 in Equity, isn't there a possibility of it becoming 80 instead too??
* I wasn against diversification here, but saying if he's in profit due to picking those stocks cheaper, he could lock in his profit and move it to fix income asset.
** Truth is: Equity has higher chances of generating better returns than fixed assets**

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by emmanuelewumi(m): 5:53pm On Mar 26
KarlTom:
I want to put this out there: do not use all your resources to purchase fixed instruments.
I am currently speaking from experience.

The FI might give guaranteed returns but the equity market could give exponential returns. grin
One thing that should be a constant factor is a healthy RISK APPETITE and PATIENCE.

If you commit to FI, you're stuck till maturity... wink


There is a very highly liquid secondary market for fixed income assets where transactions running to hundreds of billions of naira are done daily. It is far more liquid than NGX.

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by AIT1(m): 6:03pm On Mar 26
emmanuelewumi:



About 5%.


I won't advise you to buy dollar denominated fixed income fund now.


You will get dollar cheaper by June

Oga Emma, please why did you say he would get Dollar cheaper by June?
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56(f): 6:35pm On Mar 26
ExcessKJ:
If I get your point correctly, do you mean that price of stock on NSE don't appreciate or depreciate until at least one single deal among all deal for the day traded 100,000 unit of that particular stock?
Yes.....
Just posted the Rule few days ago.
See it attached

** However, pls note that the last 100k single unit (or above) for a stock determines the closing price for the day.... irrespective of the time it's executed**

Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by yMcy56(f): 6:47pm On Mar 26
emmanuelewumi:
There is a very highly liquid secondary market for fixed income assets where transactions running to hundreds of billions of naira are done daily. It is far more liquid than NGX.
Oga Emma, pls which market is this Sir?

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by KarlTom: 6:56pm On Mar 26
No vex grin grin

Zagee:


Then you have not been paying attention to Oga Emma. You will repeat class oo grin
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by KarlTom: 6:57pm On Mar 26
QED!

yMcy56:


@Chillykelly8 I understand wetin I dey talk o, not expecting anyone to agree with me as per say I be amateur grin

See the scenario from debee and the response from Agba.......
My response to Agba was a view from another angle because I saw his response as one sided.

** Take note of "The total annual dividend from both portfolio as less than 4M" from Debee

If you say the 50M could become 30 in Equity, isn't there a possibility of it becoming 80 instead too??
* I wasn against diversification here, but saying if he's in profit due to picking those stocks cheaper, he could lock in his profit and move it to fix income asset.
** Truth is: Equity has higher chances of generating better returns than fixed assets **

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Krisuba: 6:58pm On Mar 26
Please do anyone know what morgan charges for urgent withdrawals??
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by KarlTom: 7:01pm On Mar 26
This is something I'm aware of too.

There are reduction in rates associated with trading FI on the secondary (and tertiary) markets (reason I said you're stuck till maturity).
On it being more liquid than NGX I can't confirm or refute... grin

emmanuelewumi:


There is a very highly liquid secondary market for fixed income assets where transactions running to hundreds of billions of naira are done daily. It is far more liquid than NGX.

Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by KarlTom: 7:05pm On Mar 26
Central Bank of Nigeria Communique No.151 of the 294th Meeting of Monetary Policy Committee held on Tuesday, 26th March, 2024

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by emmanuelewumi(m): 7:14pm On Mar 26
KarlTom:
This is something I'm aware of too.

There are reduction in rates associated with trading FI on the secondary (and tertiary) markets (reason I said you're stuck till maturity).
On it being more liquid than NGX I can't confirm or refute... grin



Currently selling at a discount, so anybody who buys now can sell at a premium before maturity


I guess you bought few years ago when Treasury bill was less than 10%, this made Fixed income to sell at a premium
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by emmanuelewumi(m): 7:15pm On Mar 26
yMcy56:

Oga Emma, pls which market is this Sir?


FMDQ

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by ExcessKJ(m): 7:17pm On Mar 26
yMcy56:

Yes.....
Just posted the Rule few days ago.
See it attached

** However, pls note that the last 100k single unit (or above) for a stock determines the closing price for the day.... irrespective of the time it's executed**

Thank you very much
Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by chillykelly86(m): 7:55pm On Mar 26
yMcy56:


@Chillykelly8 I understand wetin I dey talk o, not expecting anyone to agree with me as per say I be amateur grin

See the scenario from debee and the response from Agba.......
My response to Agba was a view from another angle because I saw his response as one sided.

** Take note of "The total annual dividend from both portfolio as less than 4M" from Debee

If you say the 50M could become 30 in Equity, isn't there a possibility of it becoming 80 instead too??
* I wasn against diversification here, but saying if he's in profit due to picking those stocks cheaper, he could lock in his profit and move it to fix income asset.
** Truth is: Equity has higher chances of generating better returns than fixed assets**


@bolded, seems I misunderstood your post, then. Sorry about that

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Re: Nigerian Stock Exchange Market Pick Alerts by Zagee: 8:36pm On Mar 26
Krisuba:
Please do anyone know what morgan charges for urgent withdrawals??

About 3% or so.

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