Ohyoudidnt:
Arianism, a Christological position in Christianity, was proposed by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius in the early 4th century. It emphasized that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires. However, it was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325.

Beliefs of Arianism

The council of nicea only confirmed what have been thought for years by every of Jesus disciples. By Jesus Christ himself. And traces and proof of the trinity is in old testament.

Do you want to see it?

Next time tag Christians who will be able to talk with you and answer or correct your questions.

Arianism is often viewed as a form of Unitarian theology that prioritizes God’s unity over the concept of the Trinity. Arius believed in the uniqueness of God as self-existent and immutable, contrasting this with the Son who was considered a created being without self-existence. This belief led to controversies regarding the nature and divinity of Jesus Christ.

The Council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief. Despite this, conflicts persisted for years, with various councils and emperors supporting different factions within Christianity.

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Ohyoudidnt:
Arianism, a Christological position in Christianity, was proposed by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius in the early 4th century. It emphasized that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires. However, it was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325.
Beliefs of Arianism
Arianism is often viewed as a form of Unitarian theology that prioritizes God’s unity over the concept of the Trinity. Arius believed in the uniqueness of God as self-existent and immutable, contrasting this with the Son who was considered a created being without self-existence. This belief led to controversies regarding the nature and divinity of Jesus Christ.
The Council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief. Despite this, conflicts persisted for years, with various councils and emperors supporting different factions within Christianity.

Ohyoudidnt:
Arianism, a Christological position in Christianity, was proposed by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius in the early 4th century. It emphasized that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires. However, it was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325.

Beliefs of Arianism

Arianism is often viewed as a form of Unitarian theology that prioritizes God’s unity over the concept of the Trinity. Arius believed in the uniqueness of God as self-existent and immutable, contrasting this with the Son who was considered a created being without self-existence. This belief led to controversies regarding the nature and divinity of Jesus Christ.

The Council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief. Despite this, conflicts persisted for years, with various councils and emperors supporting different factions within Christianity.

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SIRTee15:


The problem with Muslims apologetics and also atheist is u guys don't understand Christianity and U don't care to research about it.
All U do is parrot ignorant statements passed around in our mosques or on internet.
Now if I ask U what is the trinity as defined and established by the council of nicea, U will fail woefully. The creed is online for all to see but if I ask U to define the trinity in creed, na something else U go talk.

The trinity in the Nicene creed is exactly as taught by Jesus and exactly what is in the old and new testament. Nothing was removed or added.
You are the one with a problem.
U don't believe in arainism because the theology declared jesus is divine, so debating it with U is useless.

Qasim6:
■ U don come with your
"you Muslim don't understand "
"You Muslim are parroting bla bla bla"
The good for nothing Bishops were sitting down in whopping 300 yrs after Jesus left the scene to discuss Jesus nature, they even voted on the subject to reach a conclusion. Why did they need to vote if it is crystal clear in the scripture? Do you think you will be trinitarian if that council did not take place in history? Do you think the original apostles believe Jesus is some part of God?

Ohyoudidnt:
Arianism, a Christological position in Christianity, was proposed by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius in the early 4th century. It emphasized that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires. However, it was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325.

Beliefs of Arianism

Arianism is often viewed as a form of Unitarian theology that prioritizes God’s unity over the concept of the Trinity. Arius believed in the uniqueness of God as self-existent and immutable, contrasting this with the Son who was considered a created being without self-existence. This belief led to controversies regarding the nature and divinity of Jesus Christ.

The Council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief. Despite this, conflicts persisted for years, with various councils and emperors supporting different factions within Christianity.

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Kobojunkie:
Does this make the case any better for Mohammed who showed up almost 650 years later to turn the entire script on its head?

Abegi! All religions — Judaism, Christianity, Islam —that claim to have any dealings with Jesus Christ seem to be led by dogs, the very same that Jesus Christ made clear had absolutely nothing to do with Him and His Kingdom of God.

Qasim6:
■ At least Muhammad claimed he was receiving revelation from God, it is Left to you to investigate if his claim is true or not.
■ The Bishops Voted to conclude that Jesus is a part of a Trinity.

Qasim6:


U don come with your
"you Muslim don't understand "
"You Muslim are parroting bla bla bla"

The good for nothing Bishops were sitting down in whopping 300 yrs after Jesus left the scene to discuss Jesus nature, they even voted on the subject to reach a conclusion. Why did they need to vote if it is crystal clear in the scripture?

Do you think you will be trinitarian if that council did not take place in history?

Do you think the original apostles believe Jesus is some part of God?

Kobojunkie:
Your response makes no sense whatsoever! Mohammed's claim to have received some sort of revelation from a deity whose message not only ran counter to that proclaimed by the man Jesus Christ almost 650 years before proved Mohammed no better than the rogue bishops before him.

2. Well, Mohammed pretty much took to overturning all that Jesus Christ declared 650 earlier and proclaimed himself a messiah of sorts using the same name. How does that make Mohammed's tale any less preposterous than what the Bishops went with?

Qasim6:


If you take your time and study how we received all the information about Jesus prior to Islam, you can't help but think

'why is everything messed up like this?'
Except if you are not been truthful with yourself.

From Matthew that witnessed the events first hand copying Marks(a disciple of Peter) to write his gospel.

Jesus claiming he was only sent to the Israelites then Paul claiming he met Jesus and he is apostle to the gentiles then start contradicting Jesus, To the extent there was bad belle between him and the original apostles.

If you compare the first of the Canonical gospel to be written ( Mark) to the last (John), you will know something is no right.

To some people sitting down 300yrs later voting on divinity of Jesus.

And you expect me to not think something is wrong smwhere?

If not for Islam, I would have doubt if Jesus of Nazareth truly walk on this earth.

Ohyoudidnt:
Is it not true that at the First Council of Nicaea in 325AD, the first ecumenical council of the Christian church, meeting in ancient Nicaea (now İznik, Turkey), was called by the emperor Constantine I, an unbaptized catechumen, who presided over the opening session and took part in the discussions.? He hoped a general council of the church would solve the problem created in the Eastern church by Arianism, a heresy first proposed by Arius of Alexandria that affirmed that Christ is not divine but a created being.

Is it not true that the emphasis that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God and gained popularity across the Eastern and Western Roman empires was declared a heresy by the Council of Nicaea in 325?

Is it untrue that this council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and affirmed through a creed that the Son is “of one substance with the Father,” establishing orthodox Christian belief?

Was it declared in the scriptures prior to this tine that Jesus is of the same substance as God?

SIRTee15:


We don't need Islam to confirm jesus walk on this earth.
Non biblical scholars confirmed Jesus Christ walked on this earth.

Answer my question, can I worship the shin of Allah?

Qasim6:
■ If you take your time and study how we received all the information about Jesus prior to Islam, you can't help but think 'why is everything messed up like this?' Except if you are not been truthful with yourself.
■ From Matthew that witnessed the events first hand copying Marks(a disciple of Peter) to write his gospel.
■ Jesus claiming he was only sent to the Israelites then Paul claiming he met Jesus and he is apostle to the gentiles then start contradicting Jesus, To the extent there was bad belle between him and the original apostles.
■ If you compare the first of the Canonical gospel to be written ( Mark) to the last (John), you will know something is no right. To some people sitting down 300yrs later voting on divinity of Jesus. And you expect me to not think something is wrong somewhere?
■ If not for Islam, I would have doubt if Jesus of Nazareth truly walk on this earth.

Kobojunkiee:
1. There is nothing messed up about the information that is Jesus Christ and Scripture. As Jesus Christ Himself said, His Truth is Everlasting — Unchangeable. Just as it was when His disciples were sent out into the world in the first century, it remains the same even today. His Word has not changed. Yes, religions of both Christianity and Islam have made concerted attempts to twist and change it, they have yet to succeed but the same message of Jesus, to this day, damns both religions.

2. If both men wrote of the same event, what makes you think they could not have written of the same things? After all, they were writing of the same man, Jesus Christ, His experience, His same Gospel, the unchangeable Truth of God. What did you expect? What makes you think that they got it wrong? Are you under some misconception that they were not allowed to get the narratives as close to the Truth as possible or what?

3. Let's stop rambling, please!

▶ The God of Israel, YHWH, promised He would send His New agreement, which Jesus Christ represents, only to the House of Jacob. So, Jesus Christ proclaiming that He was sent by His Father only to the Lost sheep of Israel was as prophesied by the Prophets before Him beginning with Moses.
▶ The Prophet Joel prophesied that during the end times, all sons and daughters in the land of Zion at the time would see visions and dream dreams - Joel 2 vs 28 - 31. Jesus Christ promised that all those in the land would see Him coming in the glory of His Kingdom, the announcement from God the Father that the time had arrived for His Judgment upon the remnants of Israel — Judah— and then closing out of the Old and beginning of the New — the arrival of the Kingdom of God which they had been waiting for. Paul was a young man in the land of Judah at that time and so did have a vision like all of the other sons and daughters in the land also did.
▶ The former Nation of Israel — sister nation to the Nation of Judah — was destroyed by the God of Israel in around 720 BC by way of the Assyrian army. That was God's judgment against the Nation of Israel. Not only did the people of the Nation lose their homes, but they were scattered among the Gentiles from that time on, many of them mating with the Gentiles, something that God Himself commanded them to do in the foreign lands He had dispersed them to. They become the Gentiles.

Jesus Christ warned His followers not to give that which is Holy to the dogs. He specifically told them to go only to the Lost sheep of Israel — which includes the Israelites living among the Gentiles many of whom were themselves born of Gentile blood by then, in addition, of course, to the Jewish Israelites. So, when Paul said he was sent by Jesus Christ to witness to the Gentiles, Paul never said he would go to those who were called dogs by Jesus Christ. Rather, it was the rogue Bishops of the religion of Christianity who through twist concluded that the term Gentiles indicated that dogs — non-Israelites— were allowed into the fold. So, let's get our facts straight, please.

4. Cannonically not right? Are you kidding? All 4 of the Gospels were written within the 40 years between the death of Jesus Christ and the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD. Even the book of Revelations, written by John, was written before the Temple was destroyed. Jesus Christ is reported to have died in 31-33AD. I don't believe in your religious canons but I know for a fact that I have yet to find any issues with what is recorded to have been said by Jesus Christ in either of the Gospels by Mark and that by John. So, be more specific next time so we can dive in to examine the claim.

5. Jesus Christ said if you are not an Israelite, you should not even bother with Him and His mention. Islam deceived you!

Qasim6:
■My Guy, it's tiring to debate you. If you choose to remain in your folly, so be it. Have a nice day!

Qasim6:


You can keep deceiving yourself.
Which non biblical scholars? Do you mean the forged Testimonium Flavianum?

TenQ:

Too bad that this is your best argument or is it statement.

You started with an obvious lie!
Who told you that Christianity is Polyethism?

Every Christian has drummed it into your head that we believe in ONE GOD alone. It is the fundamental doctrine of Christianity.
But, Islam can only thrive by pushing strawman Arguments against Christianity.
Even the most extreme christian cult believe in ONE God, not two or three or four or five Gods!

You could have used the Jehovah's witness doctrine to redefine Christianity as you think fit.
What concerns Arianism with Christianity?

We have explained the Trinity to you, unfortunately as a demon infested person, you are deaf and dumb!

We showed you the terrible weakness of your Taoheed to which you don't have any answer as of today.

What exactly do you want from me since I don't adopt Arianism exactly like I don't adopt Islam as both are anti-scripture?

Your Taoheed has created a limited Deity who is neither Omnipresent nor Omniscient nor Omnipotent: deal with your faulty understanding of your doctrine of Allah.

SIRTee15:


The problem with Muslims apologetics and also atheist is u guys don't understand Christianity and U don't care to research about it.
All U do is parrot ignorant statements passed around in our mosques or on internet.
Now if I ask U what is the trinity as defined and established by the council of nicea, U will fail woefully. The creed is online for all to see but if I ask U to define the trinity in creed, na something else U go talk.

The trinity in the Nicene creed is exactly as taught by Jesus and exactly what is in the old and new testament. Nothing was removed or added.
You are the one with a problem.
U don't believe in arainism because the theology declared jesus is divine, so debating it with U is useless.

gaskiyamagana:

Research about Christianity revealed a lot about the cooked beans for the fool to eat, belly full and started stooling here and there to dirty the surrounding of good faith about the creator, Allah and His chosen religion for mankind.

MaxInDHouse:
That is what DOCTRINES is all about but then Jesus made it clear to us that if the doctrine is correct it will yield good fruit but if not it will produce routine fruit. Matthew 7:16-18

So between the two which one has produced the fruit expected of Christ's disciples in our day?

MightySparrow:


Hehehehe.
Usual rhetorics.

Take history texts and study the arguments.
The OP is as lazy as his post.

SIRTee15:


Only God knows what bible this guy reads.

John 1.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning.3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

John 1.18

18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

The question is do U have this verses in your bible. Note I said bible not Koran. Don't confuse the 2.

Kobojunkie:
Look, the major problem with all of what is known as Christianity, even from its beginnings, is Jesus Christ who drew the line in the sand, not only when He disavowed religious leaders/authorities in addition to their many doctrines, beginning with those of His time. How can the same Jesus Christ considered to be in support of religion when He declared it instead of the antiChrist — lies?

In addition to that, Jesus Christ declared that He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Isreal, by His Father, YHWH of Israel. He went ahead to warn His disciples not to give that which belongs to the Lost sheep of Israel to the dogs — Non-Israelites— Matthew 7 vs 6 & Matthew 15 vs 22 - 24. He explained in John 3 vs 14 - 18 & Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 that the World which He came to was the very same world to which God caused the bronze Snake to be raised in the desert up to — the condemned ones among Israel aka the Lost sheep of Israel(Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 31). How then could the same Jesus Christ, who declared that His Word was everlasting — Unchangeable, the same yesterday, today, and forever — be associated in any way or form with a religion largely founded by non-Israelites? No be Juju be that!

So, OP, your argument when put up against that which is Scripture fails from the get-go. So long as dogs and religion are involved, it has no part with that stated by the God of Israel —YHWH— and neither Jesus Christ Himself!

Kobojunkiee:
▶ You believe you were debating me while throwing religion, which is against Jesus Christ, at me in the name of Jesus Christ?
▶ You believe you were debating me while throwing around formulations and ideas that were postulated by those whom Jesus Christ referred to as dogs — non-Israelites — at me in the name of Jesus Christ who He said was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel?

Nah! You were not debating me. Rather you were trying to insult my intelligence.

Blkpanda:
∆ Enjoying this debate. Quick question as my knowledge is lacking on this topic….Are you saying Jesus referred to/sees non Jews as dogs?
∆ Implying God is strictly a Jew God? Where does that put everyone else?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ said He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel; Jews are but a subset of the Nation of Israel. Jesus Christ said non-Israelites -- those He refered to as Dogs -- are not welcome to have the Kingdom of God as His Father sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel.

2. He referred to Himself as God of Israel and proclaimed Israel His only inheritance in the land of men. This is His plan made clear in that book from the beginning.

Blkpanda:
∆ Thank you sha, this is stuff I’ve never come across before. This leaves me with more questions but I won’t hold you and bore the thread.