Ohyoudidnt:


Text you are unable or too lazy to present?

Probably you aren't sure yourself!

Kobojunkie:
Questions on the topic does not bore me.

Blkpanda:
■ Let’s go in on this then…. Jesus Christ said He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel; Jews are but a subset of the Nation of Israel. Jesus Christ said non-Israelites -- those He refered to as Dogs -- are not welcome to have the Kingdom of God as His Father sent Him only to the Lost Sheep of Israel. undecided
I’m guessing you mean “Jews are but a subset of the TRIBES of isreal”? And not nation. is this akin to the 12 tribes of isreal that the black Israelites in the us preach about?
■ Jews refer to non Jews as goy and believe they are inferior/lesser humans on the same level as livestock - assuming this relates to the dog part.
■ Are the rest of us from somewhere else? Different God? Or simply here to serve Jews? How do you reconcile this? What is his beef with the dogs?

Kobojunkie:
What God gave to Moses and the children of Israel in the wilderness, after He took them out of slavery in Egypt was the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan; God of Isreal formed a Nation which He called Israel by way of the Law of Moses.

After the death of Solomon, the original nation of Israel was split into two nations — the northern nation of Israel and the Southern nation of Judae, both of them Israelite nations. The Southern Nation consisted mainly of Israelites of the tribes of Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. whereas the other tribes went with the Northern nation.

So the Jews being a subset of Israel means both the Nation of Israel(before it was split in two) and the Tribes of Israel.

2. This isn't about what derogatory terms Jews use for those who aren't one of them.

3. Nope! After Adam and Eve chose to go it alone without God in the beginning, God washed His hands off the affairs of men, so men could have His way. God chose for Himself a people of His own to use in accomplishing His very plan from the beginning, a plan to create Sons of God with whom to rule over the world. That seemed to be His plan from the beginning and it remains His plan, regardless of what men choose for themselves.

gaskiyamagana:

Another story to collect salary for vain job poorly done but sadly to the satisfaction of pay master.
As I always say and maintain till second coming of your Lord Jesus, you are anti Islam roboticalized that arguing with you on Islam is monumental futile exercise which I will not do.
When you are deactivate, reprogram to accept and process Islamic teachings and reboot with Kalimat-sh-Shahadah, then you will be worth of arguing with from my end. I asked one of your friends of same mentality that what is difference between your human blood sucking God and spiritualists who are human blood users?

Ohyoudidnt:



Are Logos and God 1 and the same?

No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known” (John 1:18). This passage emphasizes that Jesus has revealed God to humanity. This is to say making those around him conscious and respectful od the almighty
Advising to live in obedience of the divine

Kobojunkie:
What God gave to Moses and the children of Israel in the wilderness, after He took them out of slavery in Egypt was the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan; God of Isreal formed a Nation which He called Israel by way of the Law of Moses.

After the death of Solomon, the original nation of Israel was split into two nations — the northern nation of Israel and the Southern nation of Judae, both of them Israelite nations. The Southern Nation consisted mainly of Israelites of the tribes of Judah, Levi, and Benjamin. whereas the other tribes went with the Northern nation.

So the Jews being a subset of Israel means both the Nation of Israel(before it was split in two) and the Tribes of Israel.

2. This isn't about what derogatory terms Jews use for those who aren't one of them.

3. Nope! After Adam and Eve chose to go it alone without God in the beginning, God washed His hands off the affairs of men, so men could have His way. God chose for Himself a people of His own to use in accomplishing His very plan from the beginning, a plan to create Sons of God with whom to rule over the world. That seemed to be His plan from the beginning and it remains His plan, regardless of what men choose for themselves.

SIRTee15:


Show me Tawhid in your Koran.

Are U not the one I asked if I could worship the shin of Allah and I'm yet to get a response.

Ohyoudidnt:
Eusebius of Caesarea interpreted John 1:1 as two distinct persons in this verse - God and the Logos (Word), suggesting a subordinationist understanding where only one could represent ultimate reality. This nuanced interpretation reflects Eusebius’ theological position within the broader Arian controversy.

lawani:


It is about land. A nation needs land to qualify as one. Israel became a nation when the children of Jacob were granted land in Egypt. They multiplied rapidly for four centuries and they became a nation then moved out of Egypt to the peripheral of Egyptian territory which is Israel and Palestine today. If they had given them China that far back they would be over one billion souls today.

Blkpanda:
∆ The main thing I’m still lost with is who should the rest of us be worshipping? I saw an older post of yours questioning why we praise Jesus as he told us not to.
∆ Are non Jews damned from birth since God only cares about this one tribe?
∆ my statement about Jews seeing non Jews as goy/livestock - I meant it in regard to the attitude they carry with it which seems to tie into everything g else you are saying about God having one favourite/chosen group of people
∆ Can you recommend any reading (outside of the Bible) to explore this topic some more

MightySparrow:



Your presentation is too sketchy. Dó more research. The historical background to arriving at the doctrine of Trinity is not as simple as you present. Do more research and represent it.


This kind of presentation leaves people more confused than the information you intend to pass across.

I held such views before reading an edition of Awake in the 90s until last year, am exjw made a documentary on it on your and I went to read further to discover that most presentations are to win arguments not the truth.
One fellow also has given details on this platform.


Don't be offended my friend.
Biko.

SIRTee15:


Arian theology makes it clear that Jesus is the begotten son of the father. According to Arianism, Jesus is derived from the Logos which is an attribute of the God the father.

Arianism taught that the Logos was a divine being begotten by God the Father before the creation of the world, made him a medium through whom everything else was created.

As I said earlier, U don't know what I talking about. U muslims are just clutching at straws to validate your weak islamic theology.

That was how U guys believe ebionites were the true followers of Christ until that claim was bursted.

Meanwhile explain to me when did Jews start calling Ezra the son of God.
Since U can't explain to me how your Allah is a composite being, a god made of body parts.

SIRTee15:


A Muslim trying to give exegesis of the bible. U go fear.

But wouldn't explain why I can't worship the shin of Allah.
Oga explain to me is the shin of Allah with Allah or separate from Allah.
Otherwise U guys are worshipping a composite god.
A god made up of body parts. Your Allah is derived from different body parts.

Ohyoudidnt:


I deliberately didn't put all details hoping to get a strong rebuttal why it isn't so yet.

The fact that Arianism still exists today shows how much they weren't convinced otherwise or coerced to believe otherwise.



Oh boy stand well. Arian theology says Jesus is only begotten son that was created and is not a co-creator with God.

For Arius and his followers, Jesus is considered a created being who is not eternal and is not equal to the divine. This belief contrasts with the traditional Christian view of the Trinity, where Jesus is seen as co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father.

To Arians there was a time when Jesus was not,” indicating that Arians believe there was a time before which the Son existed. This perspective leads them to reject the term “homoousios,” meaning “of one substance” with the Father, as they argue that it is not scripturally supported.

Blkpanda:


What is the significance in worshipping the shin? Why shin?

Ohyoudidnt:


When answered your closed thinking prevents you from seeing anything else. You were adequately answered and it's not my fault you don't understand or pretend not to understand. It is your understanding or lack of.

Ohyoudidnt:


I deliberately didn't put all details hoping to get a strong rebuttal why it isn't so yet.

The fact that Arianism still exists today shows how much they weren't convinced otherwise or coerced to believe otherwise.



Oh boy stand well. Arian theology says Jesus is only begotten son that was created and is not a co-creator with God.

For Arius and his followers, Jesus is considered a created being who is not eternal and is not equal to the divine. This belief contrasts with the traditional Christian view of the Trinity, where Jesus is seen as co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father.

To Arians there was a time when Jesus was not,” indicating that Arians believe there was a time before which the Son existed. This perspective leads them to reject the term “homoousios,” meaning “of one substance” with the Father, as they argue that it is not scripturally supported.

Blkpanda:


What is the significance in worshipping the shin? Why shin?

MightySparrow:

Hehehehe.
Usual rhetorics.
Take history texts and study the arguments.
The OP is as lazy as his post.

SIRTee15:


Ask Bart Erhman.

Hahaha this one think our only historical evidence of Jesus is Josephus. U are far behind, the rest don overtake u.

Tacitus a Roman senator spoke about Jesus
Mara bar sarapion a stoic philosopher spoke about Jesusin 73 AD.
Pliny and Suetonius both Roman historian spoke about Jesus.
Thallus a samaritan historian wrote about the events that happened the night Jesus was crucified.
Roman emperor Trajan wrote about Jesus Christ.
Phlegon of Tralles AA historian wrote about Jesus.
Both the Jewish Talmud and Mishnah wrote about Jesus.
Even Josephus wrote about the death of James the just the brother of Jesus Christ.

There's a reason all biblical scholars including atheist admits Jesus of Nazareth is a real person.

SIRTee15:

We don't need a dubious character in a desert forging the works of our apocryphal gospels to attest to historicity of Jesus.

SIRTee15:

When I say U guys know nothing about Christianity, U came here foaming in the mouth. Now see how U thoroughly embarrassed yourself.

SIRTee15:

I'm still waiting for my answer.
Why can't I worship the shin of Allah?

MaxInDHouse:


You idiot. I know you are so empty headed that instead of saying what you know it's me you will quote!

Qasim6:


The fact that the first non Christains source we have is forgery even cast more shadow on Christainity.

All these historians you mentioned were all born years after Jesus already left and non of them wrote in anything lesser than 100 years after the event. So I can argue they were only parroting the believe of christains around them, I'm sorry, it doesn't help your case.

I already believe Jesus walked this earth, I don't need convincing. You should try using all of these against mythicist.



A dubious character u say? A whole chosen servant of God in Isaiah 42.

You don't want to go to all this forging accusation, that is something peculiar with Christainity. It is silly and unwise, don't go there!



Is Christainity as a religion 100% faith and 0% common sense?, Because I don't understand how any sane person will follow a religion riddled with so much forgeries.




You go wait tire!

Qasim6:


The fact that the first non Christains source we have is forgery even cast more shadow on Christainity.

Qasim6:

All these historians you mentioned were all born years after Jesus already left and non of them wrote in anything lesser than 100 years after the event. So I can argue they were only parroting the believe of Christians around them, I'm sorry, it doesn't help your case.

Qasim6:


A dubious character u say? A whole chosen servant of God in ........

Qasim6:

You don't want to go to all this forging accusation, that is something peculiar with Christainity. It is silly and unwise, don't go there!

Qasim6:

Is Christainity as a religion 100% faith and 0% common sense?, Because I don't understand how any sane person will follow a religion riddled with so much forgeries.

Qasim6:

You go wait tire!

SIRTee15:


U didn't answer my question if the shin of Allah is with Allah or separate from him.
If U did, screenshot your response otherwise U are a liar.

Failure to answer means your god is a composite being. Allah made up of body parts. Simple.

Kobojunkie:
Look, the major problem with all of what is known as Christianity, even from its beginnings, is Jesus Christ who drew the line in the sand, not only when He disavowed religious leaders/authorities in addition to their many doctrines, beginning with those of His time. How can the same Jesus Christ considered to be in support of religion when He declared it instead of the antiChrist — lies?

In addition to that, Jesus Christ declared that He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Isreal, by His Father, YHWH of Israel. He went ahead to warn His disciples not to give that which belongs to the Lost sheep of Israel to the dogs — Non-Israelites— Matthew 7 vs 6 & Matthew 15 vs 22 - 24. He explained in John 3 vs 14 - 18 & Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 that the World which He came to was the very same world to which God caused the bronze Snake to be raised in the desert up to — the condemned ones among Israel aka the Lost sheep of Israel(Ezekiel 34 vs 1 - 31). How then could the same Jesus Christ, who declared that His Word was everlasting — Unchangeable, the same yesterday, today, and forever — be associated in any way or form with a religion largely founded by non-Israelites? No be Juju be that!

So, OP, your argument when put up against that which is Scripture fails from the get-go. So long as dogs and religion are involved, it has no part with that stated by the God of Israel —YHWH— and neither Jesus Christ Himself!

TenQ:

1. According to Allah and your Islamic doctrine, can you tell me that Allah did NOT by his Destiny (Programming of Allah) made me to detest the deception of Islam leading innocent Muslims to hell fire?

2. Isn't it you Muslims that are "robotically programmed" by Allah not to ask the questions that will save you from your deception and ultimately hell fire but to dogmatically follow a blind 419 who created Islam to indulge in his own fantasy of power, control, women, sex, perfume and food (lamb)?

Tell me that you don't believe in the Destiny of Allah again?

Dsimmer:


The snake represent the law while the death of Jesus or the cross represent mercy at the face of the law. The Hebrews sinned in the forest thus were punished for their actions however were later pardoned and healed while looking at the snake lifted up on the cross. So it meant they obtained mercy regardless of their sin. That is, they obtained mercy at the face of the law/karma, represented by the snake which represents the law. The death and resurrection of Jesus which is represented by the cross, signifies mercy/salvation at the face of the law. That was exactly what Paul was saying because he was a participant of such mercy/salvation at the face of the law. However, this doesn't mean one should continue to do evil/commit crime because like Paul stated, we can't continue in sin yet expect grace to abound.

That being said, Jesus was indeed sent to the Hebrews, however, his salvation is meant for all. Aside that, His salvation also teaches a lesson which is, we should show mercy, especially when it's needed or warranted. While law should be without mercy, justice should be rendered with mercy, especially if such cases warrant it.

As for the OP of the thread, he dey craze like the paedophilic criminal lunatic who drank camel urine.

SIRTee15:

Again another gbagaun. The first person we know that wrote about Jesus was thallus the Samaritan who described the events of the cruxifixion around 50s AD. Ben mara sarapion wrote about Jesus in 73AD.
Josephus' works was in late 90s AD.
So who first wrote about Christ.



Seriously coming from a Muslim whose knowledge about Christ came from a forger 630 years after chrsit lived. U refuse to believe someone that wrote about Christ 100 years after his death but swallowed the tales of a desert forger who lived 600 yrs after the events he described.
U go fear the way Muslims reason. Islam can never be reconciled with common sense, it's an infinite impossibility.




It's ok to live in delusion, U won't be the first and not the last. I'm happy to cure your delusion of Isaiah 42 if U oblige me. Bur as usual U will run away.


The biggest work of forgery ever known to mankind is the Koran. How Muslims believe that it's from God is a mystery to me.
The whole of story about jesus in your Koran is not any divine revelation. They are stories in our apocryphal gospels. Stories of Mary, jesus talking at birth and jesus creating life are all in our gospel books written 100 years after the said events.
Go and read the infancy gospel of Thomas and protoevangelium of James, all the stories are there.

These are gospel books we rejected because we know they are forgeries.
Now a forger forging from a forgery book into his own forged book only to turn around to lie that Allah told him the stories. U Muslims are lost.




Tell me when did Jews start calling Ezra the son of God. because your Koran claimed they do.
Let's see the religion of zero common sense and 100% blind faith.




Then your Allah is a composite god. He's a god made up of body parts. If I can't worship the shin of Allah, then your Allah isn't single.

U people should do more to learn about your religion, it's comedy at best.
Next time I'm going to ask u when did your god start calling himself Allah.

gaskiyamagana:

Very, very high on JesusWeed plus together, combine with Christamadol and sniffled Easter Colorado.

Dsimmer:


Peadophilic criminal perverted lunatic, Mohammad should rather shut up with his camel's urine mouth. Bunch of rag heads.