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"...Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism..." ??

Do true believers in CHRIST / GOD, Christians... ever do?!

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." - Ephesians 4:4-6

"You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!" - James 2:19

You quoted the Comma Johanneum from the Bible.

Do you know that this verse is primarily found in later Latin manuscripts and was likely added to the text at a later date.
Many modern translations of the Bible omit or include a footnote regarding this verse due to its absence in early Greek manuscripts

Tallesty1:
■ This is an intriguing perspective, and I'm eager to delve deeper into it. Based on my understanding, if Jesus' mission were exclusively for the Israelites, it would contradict numerous instances in the Bible where he interacted with and ministered to people from diverse backgrounds.
■ Firstly, despite initially stating that he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24), Jesus demonstrated compassion and inclusivity in his actions. For instance, when a Canaanite woman approached him seeking help for her daughter, Jesus ultimately healed the daughter, commending the woman's great faith (Matthew 15:28).
■ Jesus' encounter with the Samaritan woman at the well (John 4:1-42) challenges the notion of exclusivity. Despite societal and cultural barriers between Jews and Samaritans, Jesus engaged in meaningful dialogue with the woman and revealed himself as the Messiah. This interaction underscores Jesus' universal message of salvation transcending ethnic boundaries.
■ Jesus' response to the plea of a Roman centurion for the healing of his servant (Matthew 8:5-13) exemplifies his willingness to extend grace beyond the confines of Israel. Despite being a Gentile, the centurion's faith impressed Jesus, who commended it as greater than any he had seen in Israel.
■ Additionally, Jesus' commission to his disciples to make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:19-20) and his declaration that he would draw all people to himself when lifted up (John 12:32) emphasize the universal scope of his mission. These verses underscore Jesus' intention to offer salvation to people of every race, ethnicity, and nationality. The account of Peter's encounter with Cornelius in Acts 10 further reinforces the inclusivity of Jesus' message. Despite Peter's initial reluctance due to societal norms, he obeyed God's command to go to Cornelius, a Gentile, and proclaim the Gospel. This event marked a significant shift in understanding that God shows no partiality and accepts people from every nation who fear him and do what is right (Acts 10:34-35). In essence, while Jesus' earthly ministry began with a focus on the Israelites, his ultimate purpose was to extend salvation to all humanity, thereby fulfilling the promise made to Abraham that through his offspring, all nations would be blessed (Genesis 12:3). Therefore, to assert that Jesus was exclusively for the Israelites overlooks the abundant evidence in the Bible that demonstrates his universal love and grace for all people.

His mission was to save the Lost Sheep of Israel from the very judgment that was placed upon them by the God of Israel Himself. The God of Israel did not place the same Judgement — Deuteronomy 28 vs 15 - 57 & Leviticus 26 vs 12 - 43 — on non-Israelites. The curses were tailored strictly for those who were of the Blood of Jacob, the very same people whom the God of Israel condemned to die in the desert, after which He then raised the bronze snake for the purpose of their salvation out in the desert - John 3 vs 14 - 18.

2. Your major mistake is thinking that because Jesus Christ said He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel, it should then mean He should heal only those who were of the blood of Jacob alone and not those who weren't. As the Canaanite woman tried to explain to people who think as you do, in Matthew 15 vs 20 - 28 - even the dogs get to eat the crumbs off the table of the master's children. The healings, miracles, and good deeds — crumbs from the master's table — worked by Jesus Christ are not limited in any way to simply those of the Blood of Jacob. In much the same way that the foreigners who lived among the Israelites benefited from the people's goodwill all while being excluded from the actual promises of the Law, so also, the dogs — non-Israelites — can benefit from Jesus Christ all while excluded from actually partaking in the Kingdom of God itself.

3. Samaritans are Israelites. I believe they are either descended from the line of Ephraim, Manassah, or both.

4. The centurion lived as a foreigner in the land of Canaan which was given by God to the children of Israel, and if you followed carefully the details of the Old Law, you would find that foreigners were expected to obey the Law while they lived in that Land. That obedience of theirs to the details of the Law as it applied to them amounts to Faith - Genesis 26 vs 5.

5. The most important thing you should remember is that none of these assumptions you hold to changes the EVERLASTING declaration made by the person of Jesus Christ in His Gospel admitting that He was sent only to the Lost of Israel. I can continue trying to convince you by showing areas of Scripture that expose the falsehoods of these assumptions you hold. But all that would likely not convince you because more importantly, you have chosen not to believe what Jesus Christ said in this. You need to make a decision here and that is either to believe Jesus Christ or abandon Him completely since a little lie means He was all lies and not the Truth of God.

P.S. Cornelius was an Israelite.

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"...Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism..." ??

Do true believers in CHRIST / GOD, Christians... ever do?!

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." - Ephesians 4:4-6

"You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!" - James 2:19

Go and study the history about Trinity.
Don't be lazy. Tell us the discussants and their contributions. Don't rely on your Reasoning from the Scriptures alone.

Lawag3:


What did they charge him with? Blasphemy right? How did he blaspheme not because he called himself king of the Jews that's not blasphemy not because he called himself Messiah . Many before Jesus claimed that title.

So if someone ask me where is Allah. Then I told that person as long as you've seen me you've seen Allah.

When he was ask to show them the father, Jesus replied[b] have I not been with you don't you know me[/b]

In other words Jesus was like why are you asking me to show you the father I'm right here with you.

This was Jesus reply

New Living Translation
Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you

Disappointed you don't even know your religion.

The charges brought against Jesus by the Jews before Pilate revolved around his claim to kingship and his assertion of being the Son of God. The accusations included subverting the nation, forbidding payment of tribute tax to Caesar, and claiming to be Christ, a king. [/b]The Jewish leaders emphasized that Jesus needed to die because he claimed to be the Son of God, which they considered blasphemous.

You don't see how it was made out as he being a threat to established Roman governance. Did Pilate find him guilty? No but the pressure from the jews forced his hand according to your narration.

Lawag3:


What did they charge him with? Blasphemy right? How did he blaspheme not because he called himself king of the Jews that's not blasphemy not because he called himself Messiah . Many before Jesus claimed that title.

So if someone ask me where is Allah. Then I told that person as long as you've seen me you've seen Allah.

When he was ask to show them the father, Jesus replied[b] have I not been with you don't you know me

In other words Jesus was like why are you asking me to show you the father I'm right here with you.

This was Jesus reply

New Living Translation
Jesus replied, “Have I been with you all this time, Philip, and yet you still don’t know who I am? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father! So why are you asking me to show him to you

Isn't this in contradiction to Exodus 33:20, it is stated, “But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” This verse implies that seeing God directly would result in death due to His holiness and glory.

Jesus was not claiming to be God the Father but rather expressing His unity with the Father in essence and purpose. He was revealing that through Him, people could come to know and understand God the Father.

TenQ:

Arians reject the divinity of Jesus but
Since you insist of adopting a heretical sect to judge Christianity, kindly answer these questions as truthfully as possible.
1. Is it true that in Arianism, Jesus Christ is seen as the first and greatest of God's creations, through whom God created the universe?
2. Is Arianism the correct version of monotheist Christianity of Jesus Christ?
3. Do you consider it right and okay for me to use the doctrine of the Ahmadiyya or Shia muslims to set the standard of faith for you Sunni Muslims?

Think before responding

When and where was the Divinity of Jesus established?

The false claim to divinity of Jesus indeed contradicts the principles of monotheism. In monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, the belief in one supreme deity is central. Monotheism asserts that there is only one true God who is to be worshipped and honored above all else. The concept of monotheism emphasizes the oneness and uniqueness of this divine being, rejecting the idea of multiple gods or deities.

The claim that Jesus is divine or part of a trinity challenges the core tenets of monotheism by introducing a multiplicity within the divine essence. This is a divergence from strict monotheism .

Dsimmer:
■ The snake represent the law while the death of Jesus or the cross represent mercy at the face of the law. The Hebrews sinned in the forest thus were punished for their actions however were later pardoned and healed while looking at the snake lifted up on the cross. So it meant they obtained mercy regardless of their sin. That is, they obtained mercy at the face of the law, represented by the snake which represents the law. The death and resurrection of Jesus which is represented by the cross, signifies mercy/salvation at the face of the law. That was exactly what Paul was saying because he was a participant of such mercy/salvation at the face of the law. However, this doesn't mean one should continue to do evil/commit crime because like Paul stated, we can't continue in sin yet expect grace to abound.
■ That being said, Jesus was indeed sent to the Hebrews, however, his salvation is meant for all. Aside that, His salvation also teaches a lesson which is, we should show mercy, especially when it's needed or warranted. While law should be without mercy, justice should be rendered with mercy, especially if such cases warrant it.

1. Jesus Christ is equally a Law, the National Constitutional Law in the Kingdom of God in much similar way as the Old Law of Moses is the Constitutional Law in the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan. Both Laws are not devoid of God's mercy so it is in error that you seek to attach God's mercy to Jesus Christ alone, and not equally to His Old Law where God of Israel famously proclaimed, "I will show mercy to whom I will show mercy". God's mercy predates those Laws and continues even through each. It has always been available since the time of Adam and will continue even until after the return.

2. Wrong! Jesus Christ emphatically proclaimed that He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel by His Father, the God of Israel. He described the world that the God of Israel sent Him as the very same world in which the God of Israel caused a bronze snake to be raised on behalf of out in the desert. The only world the bronze snake was raised in the desert to save by the God of Israel is the world of condemned children of Israel - Numbers 21 - and this is in John 3 vs 14 - 18 .

To then claim that the salvation that Jesus Christ brought was instead meant for all amounts to an attempt to malign Jesus Christ in His very own Kingdom. If you do not believe the Truth of God as declared by the person of Jesus Christ, then simply reject Him altogether. These attempts by individuals such as your person to suggest belief in the person of Jesus Christ all while declaring Jesus Christ an incompetent and untrustworthy savior come off as utterly ridiculous. to say the least.

Ohyoudidnt:


Disappointed you don't even know your religion.

The charges brought against Jesus by the Jews before Pilate revolved around his claim to kingship and his assertion of being the Son of God. [b]The accusations included subverting the nation, forbidding payment of tribute tax to Caesar, and claiming to be Christ, a king. [/b]The Jewish leaders emphasized that Jesus needed to die because he claimed to be the Son of God, which they considered blasphemous.

You don't see how it was made out as he being a threat to established Roman governance. Did Pilate find him guilty? No but the pressure from the jews forced his hand according to your narration.



Isn't this in contradiction to Exodus 33:20, it is stated, “But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.” This verse implies that seeing God directly would result in death due to His holiness and glory.

Jesus was not claiming to be God the Father but rather expressing His unity with the Father in essence and purpose. He was revealing that through Him, people could come to know and understand God the Father.

Ok still doesn't change the fact Jesus called himself God. A man cannot behold God In all his glory and live. But Jesus is God he became a man a human being. And you can't die from just looking at the face of a person.

You don't understand do you. Let me act it out for you.

Philip: Jesus please show me the father

Jesus: have I not been with you this whole time and yet you don't know who I am. Any one who have seen the father have seen me so why are you asking me to show you the father?

So let me break it down for you. Jesus answered the question with a question he was like don't you know who I am this question is key here Philip was asking Jesus to show him God and Jesus don't you know who I am? In other words don't you know I am God. If you've seen me you've seen God showing him and God are One and the same.

Also keep in mind the kind of question Philip asked he wanted to see God so all you mumble jumble about essence and purpose doesn't hold water. Jesus then told him when you see me you have seen the father.

I know you know how to read and you're not dumb . Don't misinterpret the Bible.

What's even your bases of your conclusion

Ohyoudidnt:


When and where was the Divinity of Jesus established?

The false claim to divinity of Jesus indeed contradicts the principles of monotheism. In monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, the belief in one supreme deity is central. Monotheism asserts that there is only one true God who is to be worshipped and honored above all else. The concept of monotheism emphasizes the oneness and uniqueness of this divine being, rejecting the idea of multiple gods or deities.

since you have joined the legions of muslims apologetics who are experts in gospel exegesis to deny the divinity of christ. explain this passage.

Mathew 22
While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 “What do you think about the Messiah? Whose son is he?”
“The son of David,” they replied.
43 He said to them, “How is it then that David, speaking by the Spirit, calls him ‘Lord’? For he says,
44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord:
“Sit at my right hand
until I put your enemies
under your feet.”’[e]
45 If then David calls him ‘Lord,’ how can he be his son?” 46 No one could say a word in reply, and from that day on no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Ohyoudidnt:

The claim that Jesus is divine or part of a trinity challenges the core tenets of monotheism by introducing a multiplicity within the divine essence. This is a divergence from strict monotheism .

please remove Allah from a monotheist God- the oneness and uniqueness of Allah has been debunked. He failed the divine simplicity test. Allah's oneness and uniqueness is not uniform or homogenous.

Qasim6:







Non of the story of Jesus you have is divine revelation, they are forgeries upon forgeries upon forgeries.

Like I said, it's the reputation of the Qur'an that make us trust it 100%

Since we talking of forgery and divine revelation.
I saw this and decided to share.

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ is equally a Law, the National Constitutional Law in the Kingdom of God in much similar way as the Old Law of Moses is the Constitutional Law in the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan. Both Laws are not devoid of God's mercy so it is in error that you seek to attach God's mercy to Jesus Christ alone, and not equally to His Old Law where God of Israel famously proclaimed, "I will show mercy to whom I will show mercy". God's mercy predates those Laws and continues even through each. It has always been available since the time of Adam and will continue even until after the return.

2. Wrong! Jesus Christ emphatically proclaimed that He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel by His Father, the God of Israel. He described the world that the God of Israel sent Him as the very same world in which the God of Israel caused a bronze snake to be raised on behalf of out in the desert. The only world the bronze snake was raised in the desert to save by the God of Israel is the world of condemned children of Israel - Numbers 21 - and this is in John 3 vs 14 - 18 .

To then claim that the salvation that Jesus Christ brought was instead meant for all amounts to an attempt to malign Jesus Christ in His very own Kingdom. If you do not believe the Truth of God as declared by the person of Jesus Christ, then simply reject Him altogether. These attempts by individuals such as your person to suggest belief in the person of Jesus Christ all while declaring Jesus Christ an incompetent and untrustworthy savior come off as utterly ridiculous. to say the least.

Of course, Jesus represent the law which he paid with his life however, he also represent mercy. The law has no mercy and that's what the snake represents. The snake which represent the law was simply lifted on the cross /tree which depicts mercy. That is, the Isrealites obtained mercy at the face of the law. That was what the death and resurrection of Jesus represent. I meant Jesus was put to death which meant he was paying the retribution of the law, considering he was regarded as a sinner over a flimsy useless excuse, even though he was a righteous man who committed no crime however he was only representing the "sinners" or the first man thus had to fulfill the law by dying for the sins he incurred. That was why it was stated that he paid the price/debt for others by dying to fulfill the law. Hence why he proclaimed that "it's fulfilled" at the time he died.

So, He simply fulfilled the law which has no mercy. However, his resurrection meant he subsequently triumphed over the law which had caused him to die. That is, he obtained mercy at the face of the law. So this simply means obtaining mercy at the face of the law because Jesus (who was equally representing the fall of the first man) obtained mercy at the face of the law by his resurrection after his death. Since Jesus obtained mercy while being a representative of the sinner, it means mercy abounds for everyone. However, it doesn't mean one should continue to do evil because like Paul stated, we can't continue to live in sin yet expect grace to abound. In fact, it's affirmed by Jesus who says "you reap what you sow".. So why mercy abounds, it doesn't mean one should continue to do evil.

All these also teach us a lesson which is, the need to show mercy when needed. While the law should be without mercy however, justice should be rendered with mercy, especially if such cases warrant it.

On the other submission, of course Jesus was sent to the Hebrew but salvation is for everyone, with the Hebrew first.

Dsimmer:
∆ Of course, Jesus represent the law which he paid with his life however, he also represent mercy. The law has no mercy and that's what the snake represents. The
snake which represent the law was simply lifted on the cross /tree which depicts mercy. That is, the Isrealites obtained mercy at the face of the law.

This statement is an outright lie though. You will know this in the fact that Jesus Christ is expected to return and rule over the People of Israel by that same Law which you condemn as being without mercy. How that that which is mercy condone that which, according to you, is without mercy?

Kobojunkie:
This statement is an outright lie though. You will know this in the fact that Jesus Christ is expected to return and rule over the People of Israel by that same Law which you condemn as being without mercy. How that that which is mercy condone that which, according to you, is without mercy?

Of course the law is without mercy. I mean you get good deeds for your good actions while you are punished for your evil action. It's got no grey areas. However grace persists today because mercy abounds however it doesn't mean one should continue to do evil because soonest or later, you will meet the repercussions of your evil actions if you don't change your evil ways. That was why Paul who often talked about grace also stated that "we can't continue in sin yet expect grace to abound".

We can also apply such theory which is the need to show mercy if warranted. While law should be without mercy, justice can be rendered with mercy, especially if such cases warrant it, for example, non intentional acts or some people doing things without the intention to hurt others for example, an old poor man stealing food to eat.

Dsimmer:
■ Of course the law is without mercy. I mean you get good deeds for your good actions while you are punished for your evil action. It's got no grey areas. However grace persists today because mercy abounds however it doesn't mean one should continue to do evil because soonest or later, you will meet the repercussions of your evil actions if you don't change your evil ways. That was why Paul said we can't continue in sin yet expect grace to abound.
We can also apply such theory which is the need to show mercy if warranted. While law should be without mercy, justice can be rendered with mercy, especially if such cases warrant it, for example, non intentional acts or some people doing things without the intention to hurt others for example, an old poor man stealing food to eat.

You don't seem to clearly grasp the Law which you speak of. Mercy is not defined within any of the Laws, not even Jesus Christ— He too is a Law. So for you to continue to insist that one of God's Laws is devoid of mercy while you assert that the other Law is of mercy makes no sense of any kind.

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"...Christianity Moved Away From Monotheism..." ??

Do true believers in CHRIST / GOD, Christians... ever do?!

"For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one." - 1 John 5:7

"There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." - Ephesians 4:4-6

"You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!" - James 2:19

Who is fooling who among christians, Jesus and God? I mean:
Was the Christians fooling God through Jesus?
Was Jesus is fooling God through christians?
Christians fooling Jesus through God?

I have not asked you any question about Islam, if you cannot give the courtesy of answering my three questions, there is no point arguing endlessly.

Again :
Arians reject the divinity of Jesus but
Since you insist of adopting a heretical sect to judge Christianity, kindly answer these questions as truthfully as possible.
1. Is it true that in Arianism, Jesus Christ is seen as the first and greatest of God's creations, through whom God created the universe?
2. Is Arianism the correct version of monotheist Christianity of Jesus Christ?
3. Do you consider it right and okay for me to use the doctrine of the Ahmadiyya or Shia muslims to set the standard of faith for you Sunni Muslims?

Think before responding

Ohyoudidnt:


When and where was the Divinity of Jesus established?

The false claim to divinity of Jesus indeed contradicts the principles of monotheism. In monotheistic religions such as Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, the belief in one supreme deity is central. Monotheism asserts that there is only one true God who is to be worshipped and honored above all else. The concept of monotheism emphasizes the oneness and uniqueness of this divine being, rejecting the idea of multiple gods or deities.

The claim that Jesus is divine or part of a trinity challenges the core tenets of monotheism by introducing a multiplicity within the divine essence. This is a divergence from strict monotheism .

Answer : Divinity of Jesus, when and where?
The divinity of Jesus was established by Jesus Himself during His earthly ministry in Israel and recorded in the Bible by His Disciples!
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."

John 11:25:
"Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"


Is it untrue that part of the reasons the Jews wanted to kill Jesus was for this apparent blasphemy?
John 10:33:
"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God."

One of the reasons for the council at Nicia was to correct a false doctrine being spread by Arius within the church.

4. Can you show with evidence a single Christian doctrine that asserts two or more distinct God's (Different from the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit being the same God)?
5. Is it untrue that Even your Allah says we Christians assert that Allah is the Messiah and not Jesus is a second or third Allah
Qur'an 5:72
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

6. If Allah is the Messiah, who then is the partner with Allah?


Islam has nothing to stand up upon except falsehood, this is why to answer simple questions is impossible for you.



I promise you no further response UNTIL you answer truthfully Each of my SIX Questions here

TenQ:
I have not asked you any question about Islam, if you cannot give the courtesy of answering my three questions, there is no point arguing endlessly.

Again :
Arians reject the divinity of Jesus but
Since you insist of adopting a heretical sect to judge Christianity, kindly answer these questions as truthfully as possible.
1. Is it true that in Arianism, Jesus Christ is seen as the first and greatest of God's creations, through whom God created the universe?
2. Is Arianism the correct version of monotheist Christianity of Jesus Christ?
3. Do you consider it right and okay for me to use the doctrine of the Ahmadiyya or Shia muslims to set the standard of faith for you Sunni Muslims?

Think before responding



Answer : Divinity of Jesus, when and where?
The divinity of Jesus was established by Jesus Himself during His earthly ministry in Israel and recorded in the Bible by His Disciples!
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."

John 11:25:
"Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"


Is it untrue that part of the reasons the Jews wanted to kill Jesus was for this apparent blasphemy?
John 10:33:
"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God."

One of the reasons for the council at Nicia was to correct a false doctrine being spread by Arius within the church.

4. Can you show with evidence a single Christian doctrine that asserts two or more distinct God's (Different from the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit being the same God)?
5. Is it untrue that Even your Allah says we Christians assert that Allah is the Messiah and not Jesus is a second or third Allah
Qur'an 5:72
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

6. If Allah is the Messiah, who then is the partner with Allah?


Islam has nothing to stand up upon except falsehood, this is why to answer simple questions is impossible for you.



I promise you no further response UNTIL you answer truthfully Each of my SIX Questions here

Indeed you lie that you have not asked me questions about Islam. How many posts have you made and falsely included me in a long list of friends you expect answers from?

Ohyoudidnt:


Indeed you lie that you have not asked me questions about Islam. How many posts have you made and falsely included me in a long list of friends you expect answers from?

Khai!

See what the demons of Islam has reduced you to!?

Is this just to avoid my questions (after I've answered yours)!?


This is YOUR thread: the Question I was asking you was NOT about Islam but about Christianity and Arianism: so, you needn't hide as usual.

Are you this......!?


Read again my post!

TenQ:
I have not asked you any question about Islam, if you cannot give the courtesy of answering my three questions, there is no point arguing endlessly.

Again :
Arians reject the divinity of Jesus but
Since you insist of adopting a heretical sect to judge Christianity, kindly answer these questions as truthfully as possible.
1. Is it true that in Arianism, Jesus Christ is seen as the first and greatest of God's creations, through whom God created the universe?
2. Is Arianism the correct version of monotheist Christianity of Jesus Christ?
3. Do you consider it right and okay for me to use the doctrine of the Ahmadiyya or Shia muslims to set the standard of faith for you Sunni Muslims?

Think before responding



Answer : Divinity of Jesus, when and where?
The divinity of Jesus was established by Jesus Himself during His earthly ministry in Israel and recorded in the Bible by His Disciples!
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."

John 11:25:
"Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"


Is it untrue that part of the reasons the Jews wanted to kill Jesus was for this apparent blasphemy?
John 10:33:
"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God."

One of the reasons for the council at Nicia was to correct a false doctrine being spread by Arius within the church.

4. Can you show with evidence a single Christian doctrine that asserts two or more distinct God's (Different from the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit being the same God)?
5. Is it untrue that Even your Allah says we Christians assert that Allah is the Messiah and not Jesus is a second or third Allah
Qur'an 5:72
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

6. If Allah is the Messiah, who then is the partner with Allah?


Islam has nothing to stand up upon except falsehood, this is why to answer simple questions is impossible for you.



I promise you no further response UNTIL you answer truthfully Each of my SIX Questions here

Hmm, where do I start?

Can you authoritatively tell me who the author of the Gospel of John? Remember it is recorded in some Bible copies as the Gospel according to John. Is this not what a said John recollects however right or wrong?

Arianism specifically denies the divinity of Jesus Christ and instead considers him to be a created being, distinct from God the Father. According to Arius, Jesus was the first creation of God and not God Himself. He believed that there was a time when the Son (Jesus) did not exist and that Jesus was a high-ranking created being but not equal to God.

Arians do not view Jesus as a prophet at all; instead, they see him as[b] a unique created being who holds a significant position in their theological framework.[/b] While some may argue that Arians elevate Jesus above other prophets due to his role in creation and his status as the highest created being, it is essential to understand that Arianism fundamentally rejects the traditional Christian understanding of Jesus as fully divine.

Therefore, within the framework of Arianism, Jesus is not regarded as a prophet or even compared to other prophets but rather seen as a distinct entity with a unique status as a created being.

Another important aspect of Arians' belief in Jesus' role in creation is the idea of Jesus as the Logos or Word of God. Jesus is seen as the instrument through which God brought the universe into being. They see Jesus as the Word of God and the agent through which all things were created. Remember though this word is created.

Ohyoudidnt:


Hmm, where do I start?

Can you authoritatively tell me who the author of the Gospel of John? Remember it is recorded in some Bible copies as the Gospel according to John. Is this not what a said John recollects however right or wrong?

specifically denies the divinity of Jesus Christ and instead considers him to be a created being, distinct from God the Father. According to Arius, Jesus was the first creation of God and not God Himself. He believed that there was a time when the Son (Jesus) did not exist and that Jesus was a high-ranking created being but not equal to God.

Arians do not view Jesus as a prophet at all; instead, they see him as[b] a unique created being who holds a significant position in their theological framework.[/b] While some may argue that Arians elevate Jesus above other prophets due to his role in creation and his status as the highest created being, it is essential to understand that Arianism fundamentally rejects the traditional Christian understanding of Jesus as fully divine.

Therefore, within the framework of Arianism, Jesus is not regarded as a prophet or even compared to other prophets but rather seen as a distinct entity with a unique status as a created being.

Another important aspect of Arians' belief in Jesus' role in creation is the idea of Jesus as the Logos or Word of God. Jesus is seen as the instrument through which God brought the universe into being. They see Jesus as the Word of God and the agent through which all things were created. Remember though this word is created.

I asked you specific questions, please go back to them

TenQ:
I have not asked you any question about Islam, if you cannot give the courtesy of answering my three questions, there is no point arguing endlessly.

Again :
Arians reject the divinity of Jesus but
Since you insist of adopting a heretical sect to judge Christianity, kindly answer these questions as truthfully as possible.
1. Is it true that in Arianism, Jesus Christ is seen as the first and greatest of God's creations, through whom God created the universe?
2. Is Arianism the correct version of monotheist Christianity of Jesus Christ?
3. Do you consider it right and okay for me to use the doctrine of the Ahmadiyya or Shia muslims to set the standard of faith for you Sunni Muslims?

Think before responding



Answer : Divinity of Jesus, when and where?
The divinity of Jesus was established by Jesus Himself during His earthly ministry in Israel and recorded in the Bible by His Disciples!
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."

John 11:25:
"Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"


Is it untrue that part of the reasons the Jews wanted to kill Jesus was for this apparent blasphemy?
John 10:33:
"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God."

One of the reasons for the council at Nicia was to correct a false doctrine being spread by Arius within the church.

4. Can you show with evidence a single Christian doctrine that asserts two or more distinct God's (Different from the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit being the same God)?
5. Is it untrue that Even your Allah says we Christians assert that Allah is the Messiah and not Jesus is a second or third Allah
Qur'an 5:72
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

6. If Allah is the Messiah, who then is the partner with Allah?


Islam has nothing to stand up upon except falsehood, this is why to answer simple questions is impossible for you.



I promise you no further response UNTIL you answer truthfully Each of my SIX Questions here

I will need a clear understanding of what monotheist Christianity is? I know monotheism but struggle to understand what is monotheist Christianity.

It is not about considering what is okay or not okay. You rely on so many hadith of varied degree of authenticity and even misinterpret the Quran text due to lack of knowledge of arabic language. The major difference though is the Quran which was revealed in different recitation styles in accordance to dialect variations on word arrangements and pronouncements. There may be differences in translations of the meaning or commentary but the Quran is essential the same in Arabic language.

Can we say same about Christianity which devolved from Judaism and evolved over time? The numerous council meetings are fundamental to the creation of Christianity.

What is the difference between the Shia, Ahmadiyya and other Muslim sect Quran? Is
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος translated by Jehovah witness as the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was a god? Reflecting a minority view that the Word is a distinct divine being but not equal to God the Father.

In Koine Greek, the article can have a range of meanings beyond the simple definite article (the) in English. In some contexts, the article can emphasize the quality or essence of the noun it modifies. In John 1:1, the absence of the article before θεός (God) in the last phrase and its presence before θεόν (God) in the second phrase have led some scholars to argue that the Word is distinct from, yet closely related to, God the Father.

The traditional Christian doctrine of the Trinity affirms the divinity of the Word (Jesus Christ) as equal to God the Father and the Holy Spirit. In this view, the Word shares the same divine essence as God the Father, and the absence of the article in John 1:1 does not undermine this equality.

On the other hand, non-Trinitarian interpretations, such as those held by Jehovah’s Witnesses and some Unitarians, argue that the Word is a distinct divine being, but not equal to God the Father.

TenQ:
I have not asked you any question about Islam, if you cannot give the courtesy of answering my three questions, there is no point arguing endlessly.

Again :
Arians reject the divinity of Jesus but
Since you insist of adopting a heretical sect to judge Christianity, kindly answer these questions as truthfully as possible.
1. Is it true that in Arianism, Jesus Christ is seen as the first and greatest of God's creations, through whom God created the universe?
2. Is Arianism the correct version of monotheist Christianity of Jesus Christ?
3. Do you consider it right and okay for me to use the doctrine of the Ahmadiyya or Shia muslims to set the standard of faith for you Sunni Muslims?

Think before responding



Answer : Divinity of Jesus, when and where?
The divinity of Jesus was established by Jesus Himself during His earthly ministry in Israel and recorded in the Bible by His Disciples!
John 14:6:
"Jesus said to him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me."

John 11:25:
"Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"


Is it untrue that part of the reasons the Jews wanted to kill Jesus was for this apparent blasphemy?
John 10:33:
"The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God."

One of the reasons for the council at Nicia was to correct a false doctrine being spread by Arius within the church.

4. Can you show with evidence a single Christian doctrine that asserts two or more distinct God's (Different from the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit being the same God)?
5. Is it untrue that Even your Allah says we Christians assert that Allah is the Messiah and not Jesus is a second or third Allah
Qur'an 5:72
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

6. If Allah is the Messiah, who then is the partner with Allah?


Islam has nothing to stand up upon except falsehood, this is why to answer simple questions is impossible for you.



I promise you no further response UNTIL you answer truthfully Each of my SIX Questions here

Who really is the author of the Gospel according to John? How reliable is it? Where is the Gospel of Jesus himself? Is it not strange that with how important it is there is no actual copy collated under the supervision of Jesus when he was on earth?

I will be back later in the day to continue please.

TenQ:

Khai!

See what the demons of Islam has reduced you to!?

Is this just to avoid my questions (after I've answered yours)!?


This is YOUR thread: the Question I was asking you was NOT about Islam but about Christianity and Arianism: so, you needn't hide as usual.

Are you this......!?


Read again my post!

Just noticed this "Are you this......!?"

What keeps the coward in you from making a clear statement? Going into your usual rude and repugnant abusive ways?

Ohyoudidnt:


Just noticed this "Are you this......!?"

What keeps the coward in you from making a clear statement? Going into your usual rude and repugnant abusive ways?

This is what you get for misrepresenting me as a guise of escaping direct question

Ohyoudidnt:


Who really is the author of the Gospel according to John? How reliable is it? Where is the Gospel of Jesus himself? Is it not strange that with how important it is there is no actual copy collated under the supervision of Jesus when he was on earth?

I will be back later in the day to continue please.

I have promised you no further response UNTIL you answer truthfully Each of my SIX Questions one at a time.

Ohyoudidnt:


I will need a clear understanding of what monotheist Christianity is? I know monotheism but struggle to understand what is monotheist Christianity.

It is not about considering what is okay or not okay. You rely on so many hadith of varied degree of authenticity and even misinterpret the Quran text due to lack of knowledge of arabic language. The major difference though is the Quran which was revealed in different recitation styles in accordance to dialect variations on word arrangements and pronouncements. There may be differences in translations of the meaning or commentary but the Quran is essential the same in Arabic language.

Can we say same about Christianity which devolved from Judaism and evolved over time? The numerous council meetings are fundamental to the creation of Christianity.

What is the difference between the Shia, Ahmadiyya and other Muslim sect Quran? Is
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος translated by Jehovah witness as the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was a god? Reflecting a minority view that the Word is a distinct divine being but not equal to God the Father.

In Koine Greek, the article can have a range of meanings beyond the simple definite article (the) in English. In some contexts, the article can emphasize the quality or essence of the noun it modifies. In John 1:1, the absence of the article before θεός (God) in the last phrase and its presence before θεόν (God) in the second phrase have led some scholars to argue that the Word is distinct from, yet closely related to, God the Father.

The traditional Christian doctrine of the Trinity affirms the divinity of the Word (Jesus Christ) as equal to God the Father and the Holy Spirit. In this view, the Word shares the same divine essence as God the Father, and the absence of the article in John 1:1 does not undermine this equality.

On the other hand, non-Trinitarian interpretations, such as those held by Jehovah’s Witnesses and some Unitarians, argue that the Word is a distinct divine being, but not equal to God the Father.

I have my six questions : there is no moving forward until you specifically answer each by number

If you don't have answers to simple questions, please don't bother me again!

Mr Ohyoudidnt

For the avoidance of miscommunication, here are the questions



Again :
Arians reject the divinity of Jesus but
Since you insist of adopting a heretical sect to judge Christianity, kindly answer these questions as truthfully as possible.
1. Is it true that in Arianism, Jesus Christ is seen as the first and greatest of God's creations, through whom God created the universe?
2. Is Arianism the correct version of monotheist Christianity of Jesus Christ?
3. Do you consider it right and okay for me to use the doctrine of the Ahmadiyya or Shia muslims to set the standard of faith for you Sunni Muslims?

Think before responding

4. Can you show with evidence a single Christian doctrine that asserts two or more distinct God's (Different from the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit being the same God)?
5. Is it untrue that Even your Allah says we Christians assert that Allah is the Messiah and not Jesus is a second or third Allah
Qur'an 5:72
They surely disbelieve who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said: O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evil-doers there will be no helpers.

6. If Allah is the Messiah, who then is the partner with Allah?




Islam has nothing to stand up upon except falsehood, this is why to answer simple questions is impossible for you.

I promise you no further response UNTIL you answer truthfully Each of my SIX Questions here [/quote]

SIRTee15:

Have U read Julius Africanus to understand the thalus statement in context?


Good thing u learning about historicity of Jesus outside of the biblical narrative.
Read the letter of king abgar to emperor Tiberius for more historicity.

The writer of Gospel according to Matthew claimed there was a zombie apocalypse after the alleged crucifixion.
Do you believe that really happened or was it just some special effect just to enhance the story?

If you believe that happened, how did the other gospel writers missed that? And why did we not get that story from non-christain historians?

I really don't need any historian validation to believe Jesus walked this earth. Qur'an is enough for me.

SIRTee15:

Reputation or bondage to blind faith.

If anyone is practicing blind faith, then that honour goes to you Christains.

You are the ones that compiled forged books as scripture.

You are the ones that have interpolations in scripture. Like the story of the adulterous woman that Jesus save, 1 John 5:7

You are the ones that believe in a doctrine that was stamped by men (the Bishops VOTED at the council of nicea on divinity of Jesus.) Despite a clear warning from Jesus in Matthew 15:9
In vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.

SIRTee15:

Explain to me how on earth could the Jews claim they killed their Messiah.
Yes your Koran wrote the Jews said they killed their Messiah. Explain how's that even possible?
Whoever wrote that surely doesn't know what he's talking about.

Have checked the Talmud?
They were saying that in a derogatory manner, not that they truly believe Jesus is the messiah

You really don't know what you are talking about.

SIRTee15:

🥱🥱🥱🥱. What's divine revelation in telling us Jesus spoke at birth. Something we Christians read and rejected as unreliable. How can something well known be called divine revelation
How can we believe Jesus spoke at birth when nobody said it or wrote about it for 100 years of christianity. None of the apostles mentioned it, Mary when alive didn't mention it, Jesus didn't preach it.
But somebody wrote about it in 150AD and attributed it to James.
We outrightly rejected it but unfortunately for U guys,
Muhammed put am for Koran, U guys have to accept it as true. Or U get choice ?

How many times do we need to nail it to your heads that Quran is the word of God and not Muhammad's

What information do you guys have from the original Apostles and Mary?

You rejected books that were written in 150AD but you believe gospel of John that was written around 110AD, you are a Joker!

SIRTee15:


Since we talking of forgery and divine revelation.
I saw this and decided to share.

I'm sure you did not look up those verses, the least you could do is to look up those verses so you won't embarrass yourself badly.

I know how badly you want to show errors in the Qur'an to save face with the errors of the Bible.

the Qur'an y'all claim was copied from the Bible, somehow avoid the errors there in.
I know Christainity is a blind faith religion, but at least muster some strength to use your cognitive skill once in a while.

SIRTee15:


Ok, Let's start with verse 1 and then move. I'm sure U will gas out b4 we get to that favourite verse U desperate for.

Isaiah 42
“Here is my servant, whom I uphold,
my chosen one in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,

Show me how this verse relates to Muhammed. Show me where Muhammed or Koran or hadiths ever said your prophet had the spirit of God inside him.
Do U even believe in the spirit of God as described in the bible- pls I'm not talking about trinity, don't go there.

Meanwhile see the Arabs beautiful kids singing to Jesus.
What a lovely sight to behold.
Obviously some people thought all arabs are Muslims.

Here is my servant, whom I uphold

I don't think I need to show you how Muhammad is a servant/slave of God.
You all know how we Muslims pride ourselves as servant/slave of God.
The word translated as servant in that verse "abdi" which is the the same Arabic word abd.

The question is are you christains comfortable with calling Jesus servant/slave of God?

My chosen one in whom I delight

One of the well known title of Prophet Muhammad in Islamic tradition is Al-Mustapha (the chosen one)

He is the chosen one in the sense that He is the seal of Prophethood.

He is the only Prophet sent to all mankind, other prophets before him were only sent to some localities.

I will put my spirit upon him

Ibn Ezra who was a Jewish commentator said This means a 'Prophetic Spirit' which means this chosen one will be a prophet.

Numbers 11:29 But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!”

Q 16:2 He (Allah) sends down the angels with the Spirit by His command, upon whom He wills of His servants: “Give warning that there is no god but Me, and fear Me.”

Q 16:102 Say, “The Holy Spirit has brought it down from your Lord, truthfully, in order to stabilise those who believe, and as guidance and good news for those who submit.”

Kobojunkie:
You don't seem to clearly grasp the Law which you speak of. Mercy is not defined within any of the Laws, not even Jesus Christ— He too is a Law. So for you to continue to insist that one of God's Laws is devoid of mercy while you assert that the other Law is of mercy makes no sense of any kind.

The death and resurrection was for mercy to abound for everyone hence why he's called the Lamb. That was why the veil split. However, it doesn't mean one should continue to do evil because you will reap it if you don't change your evil ways.

Qasim6:


Here is my servant, whom I uphold

I don't think I need to show you how Muhammad is a servant/slave of God.
You all know how we Muslims pride ourselves as servant/slave of God.
The word translated as servant in that verse "abdi" which is the the same Arabic word abd.

The question is are you christains comfortable with calling Jesus servant/slave of God?

My chosen one in whom I delight

One of the well known title of Prophet Muhammad in Islamic tradition is Al-Mustapha (the chosen one)

He is the chosen one in the sense that He is the seal of Prophethood.

He is the only Prophet sent to all mankind, other prophets before him were only sent to some localities.

I will put my spirit upon him

Ibn Ezra who was a Jewish commentator said This means a 'Prophetic Spirit' which means this chosen one will be a prophet.

Numbers 11:29 But Moses replied, “Are you jealous for my sake? I wish that all the LORD’s people were prophets and that the LORD would put his Spirit on them!”

Q 16:2 He (Allah) sends down the angels with the Spirit by His command, upon whom He wills of His servants: “Give warning that there is no god but Me, and fear Me.”

Q 16:102 Say, “The Holy Spirit has brought it down from your Lord, truthfully, in order to stabilise those who believe, and as guidance and good news for those who submit.”

Jesus isn't a servant of God in the sense of master and slave. Likewise humans. IFA calls Yoruba omoluabi for example which means the children of God. Yoruba would say Eni bini, laajo. Humans are children of God thus, should display uprightness/goodness as well.

When you see the word servant, it's not a master and slave thing but means an act of service. We do know that Jesus represent an act of service to the world for example.

As for the paedophilic criminal Mohammed, he's a trashy criminal who knows next to nothing except sex and terrorism. A lunatic who drank camel urine while imagining a perverted brothel in heaven.

Dsimmer:


Jesus isn't a servant of God in the sense of master and slave. Likewise humans. IFA calls Yoruba omoluabi for example which means the children of God. Yoruba would say Eni bini, laajo. If Humans are children of God , they should display goodness as well.

When you see the word servant, it means an act of service. We do know that Jesus represent an act of service to the world.

As for the paedophilic criminal Mohammed, he's a trashy criminal who knows next to nothing except sex and terrorism. A lunatic who drank camel urine while imagining a perverted brothel in heaven.

Ok.
Thanks for your contribution!