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Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 3:44am On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix:Your post is just equivalent to saying that the CPU alone is what is responsible for every activity of the Computer and NOT the software (information). Is this your admission? Are Neurons the information in the brain or carriers of information? Where does the information carried by the Neurons come from? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 3:49am On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: Apart from human experience about the programming of software and how it interacts with the machine, is there any PHYSICAL evidence that softwares exist in a machines memories? Softwares in a machine are NOT physically detectable by any means: you need another software to detect them (speaking of a circular problem) How do you know for certain that the Brain has NO software programming of its own? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 3:51am On Apr 25 |
KnownUnknown:The question is too much for your immature mind to comprehend!? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 3:57am On Apr 25 |
triplechoice:Your problem is that you will rather insist on falsehood than admit the truth that goes against your position. Speaking of one who doesnt understand English; "how much energy will" Watch this similar Question: Take this N1000 and get me a loaf of bread of N800: How much change will you return to me? This is another hypothetical question by your royal eminence! Who is the Dundee United? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 5:19am On Apr 25 |
FRANCISTOWN:Dont insist on falsehood just to keep yourself in an argument 1. Gravity is NOT a force 2. You need ChatGPT because you seem to have either "mis-learned" what you think you know from school. People who cannot review their response from other authorities are either intellectually lazy. Be humble to let ChatGPT be of assistance to you: The AI program is not always correct but it gives you a starting point. 3. The argument had never been about the EXISTENCE of Softwares within the Machine: they exist (All of us know that). The Argument had been about whether SOFTWARES within a machine is Tangible or NOT! Are Softwares within a MACHINE TANGIBLE or NOT? 4. Is it untrue that you said: "Softwares are observable and interactive. Even if you can't touch them. Therefore they exists. Don't be a stupid boy." https://www.nairaland.com/post/129602819 So, my question all along had been: (please mind the wordings) iii. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means? iv. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist? v. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software? 5. You have shown me that you could actually program the computer, therefore I will make a fresh post just for you so that we can start afresh without any bias 6. BTW: I'd like to learn some hardware programming from you probably using Renesas R7FA4M1AB, ATmega328P or 32U4 or 2560, or STM32. Secondly, I am very rusty because it's a very long time ago that I tried disassembling specifically software programs for the purpose of hacking it (we used to use WinDasm and Hiew programs): when can I start my class? LOL! You need not respond and you can proceed to the nex post if you get the gist> |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 5:20am On Apr 25 |
Mr FRANCISTOWN Please before you respond: Do we agree on these below 1. Softwares in a memory device is usually recorded in formated forms using appropriate file system format of disk partitions with data all in binary format on magnetic devices as magnetic North or South polarity, in Flash memories as ON or OFF in array of memory cells made from floating-gate transistors, in Optical Disks as Good or Bad Reflectance from microscopic data pits and lands arranged in a spiral track on the disk's surface etc. 2. The Recorded data on the memory devices do NOT add nor subtract any Material (such as atoms, molecules, electrons etc) from the physical device 3. If the File system on a memory device is NOT recognised by a machine, the data on it doesn't exist to the machine because it is NOT recognisable. 4. The same applies to the format in which a software is compiled on a memory device: even if the filesystem is recognized and the format in which the software is compiled on the machine is NOT, the software is NOT recognised. Like a software compiled for Windows OS will not run on a Mac or an Android or a Linux device (Unless we use an Emulator to translate the compiled code to the appropriate instruction format for the target OS) 5. Data or Information is erased from an appropriate hardware by either overwriting the data with random binary data or re-writing a new (different) memory partition on the memory device. 6. Since Data on a physical device Exist BUT is NOT physical, then it is NOT Tangible. Of course: What is your definition of an existence being Tangible? My Questions: 1. If an existence is not tangible i.e. cannot be measured in terms of Mass, Dimension, Energy and Time, does it prove it doesn't exist? 2. Is a software within a machine REAL or not? 3. Can the software within a machine be "measured" or "quantified" by any physical means? 4. Is it wisdom to insist on a physical quantification of a software within a machine to conclude that it exist? 5. Tell me, how can one prove the existence of a software WITHIN an AI machine's CPU or MEMORY without the use of another software? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 5:24am On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix:What is the tangibility of softwares within the machine? Is Gravity Tangible? Is the Electric Field tangible? Is the magnetic Field Tangible? As a medical Doctor: Is Consciousness (Life) Tangible? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 5:27am On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix: Does Cells possess Life was your question: Was that my question? Is [b]Life aka Consciousness TANGIBLE?[/b] |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 5:29am On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix:So, the fact that a Grieving person is Quiet does confirm that his grieve is small compared with the one who is rolling on the floor? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 5:32am On Apr 25 |
triplechoice:How can you know that the Actor is not Acting? Can an Actor not experience Grief? A Good Actor is expressing Grief: can you measure its weight? A Good Actor is Crying: can you measure the weight of his Grief? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 8:59am On Apr 25 |
TenQ: Instead of you to critically respond to I what explained, you have decided to deflect again. I already answered the question about intangible realities. So I'm not going to answer it again this time .If you say you didn't see that's your cup of tea or you go back to where I answered it to see how you even responded . I think you have a problem remembering things or you struggle to understand what's explained in simple English language. The later is obviously your problem as can be seen from your replies to others here on this board. |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 9:24am On Apr 25 |
TenQ: Something is really wrong with you. What do actors do for God sake! Grief is an individual's emotional reaction to real pain or what causes pain.No actor ever feels real pain except when they're not acting. And why asking me the weight of grief ? Did I ever tell it has weight like matter? Grief is tangible because it can be felt intensely. You're blinded by the word, grief, and not the reality it describes. And I have described it, and you can't see because you deliberately choose not to open your eyes to see. If you're not satisfied with my explanations, you can use Google or chat box to understand how grief is tangible. |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 9:42am On Apr 25 |
TenQ:You are just stupid. What truth do you know that goes against my position. Mention one and let's see how .You're very good at making empty statements to cover for your ignorance. The statement in quote was to show I was quoting part of your question . You didn't understand it because you don't know what quotation marks are used for in English language. Dundee United And BTW what's the point of all these wayward questions ? Did you skip your medications? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 9:50am On Apr 25 |
TenQ: Talking about softwares alone ,and not spirits, why would any sane person request for "physical evidence"for a software in a machine to know it exist ? Who does that? Your questions are very silly. You don't want to tell the truth.Continue to play the ostrich while every other part of your body is exposed. Be courageous and come out to talk about God or spirits. Stop hiding behind a software. Everyone can see you hiding there. |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 10:01am On Apr 25 |
TenQ: Please look up the meaning of hypothetical situation and come back and tell me my question was an hypothetical situation too. You're talking to your self about misconception. You don't know what's hypothetical situation. Your edit of you question where you removed "if" is a confirmation of that. It's one thing to accuse someone of something and another thing to prove it. I just proved what I accused you of concerning hypothetical situation, but you can't even for once prove all of your false claims about me. Modified. Someone here shared something about Dunning Kruger effect. Please Google it and read what it means. It will help you a lot |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 10:02am On Apr 25 |
triplechoice: Omotola Jalade Ekeinde Richard Mofe-Damijo Will Smith Are ALL good actors: They are bereaved : so we ask the questions A Good Actor is expressing Grief: can you measure its weight? A Good Actor is Crying: can you measure the weight of his Grief? Can you tell the difference? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 10:04am On Apr 25 |
triplechoice:You throw tantrums like a child See how much your How much is... argument was easily torn down Question: Take this N1000 and get me a loaf of bread of N800: How much change will you return to me? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 10:07am On Apr 25 |
triplechoice:Good. Only an insane person require a physical proof for a software in a machine. This is representative of everything that Exists but not Tangible Do you abree with me that It is insanity or gross ignorance to say: Show me gravity? What is the weight of gravity? What is gravity made up from? or Do you abree with me that It is insanity or gross ignorance to say: Show me Consciousness (Life) ? What is the weight of Consciousness (Life)? What is Consciousness made up from? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 10:09am On Apr 25 |
TenQ:Go and learn the difference between a good actor faking grief and someone not acting experiencing it directly. Because you don't know this difference is why you continue to fool yourself. Why can't you talk about what's real? An actor faking grief is fully aware of what he or she is doing. That's faking it. So it cannot be real, no matter the tears coming from the eyes. That only shows the person is very good at acting. |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 10:21am On Apr 25 |
TenQ: Please don't misconstrue what I said. I emphasized that when talking about softwares alone,it doesn't make sense,but we all know that you're talking of spirit or God indirectly . So it makes sense to ask for prove or some form of physical quantification. The day you understand this is the day you stop believing You want to be clever by half, but you failed again. Take all your questions about software,to the right section and see if you won't be called mad by experts there. Focus on the OP please Modified. No one who's informed about the bolded will ever ask those questions. But someone who's not informed about spirit has not done anything wrong to ask. He wants to know what's spirit which you have been ruining away from defining directly, but hiding cowardly behind a software to do so |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 10:41am On Apr 25 |
TenQ:There's enough evidence here that you're the expert of throwing tantrums everywhere. Perfect example was your reply to Francistown. It's was purely emotional reaction all through. Nothing reasonable Name calling, insults and false accusations won't help you win an argument. It will only show you're losing the debate and frustrated. |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 10:55am On Apr 25 |
triplechoice:See frying pan calling kettle black like Hamas. When you are throwing insults to others it's okay but when you get insulted back you begin to cry. In case you don't know me, I give you the kind of respect you give when you communicate. It is one thing to communicate intelligently it is another when your obvious aim is to ridicule the person you are communicating with. Go check with Buda and most times Lord-Reed, we rarely get into a slug of words unlike many of you. In other words, if you speak respectfully and with logic and common sense, you get a more productive response. It is the person who cannot defend his position that loses an argument my dear. And this is reflective by how the person avoids answering direct questions with respect to to topic at hand |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 11:06am On Apr 25 |
TenQ:We are talking about the methods of expressing grief. You are derailing your own thread. Explain how all these gibberish relate to spirit or soul |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 11:07am On Apr 25 |
TenQ:Are you always retarded? The screenshot even tells u cells are the unit of life |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 11:08am On Apr 25 |
triplechoice:I know more about softwares or hardware than you ever think you know and this is why we are having problems with understanding BASIC things that need no argument. Let me come down with you to ground zero and make basic explanations (which you can confirm about the software written i any machine) Basic information about Information and Data written on Any Hardware 1. Softwares in a memory device is usually recorded in formated forms using appropriate file system format of disk partitions with data all in binary format on magnetic devices as magnetic North or South polarity, in Flash memories as ON or OFF in array of memory cells made from floating-gate transistors, in Optical Disks as Good or Bad Reflectance from microscopic data pits and lands arranged in a spiral track on the disk's surface etc. 2. The Recorded data on the memory devices do NOT add nor subtract any Material (such as atoms, molecules, electrons etc) from the physical device 3. If the File system on a memory device is NOT recognised by a machine, the data on it doesn't exist to the machine because it is NOT recognisable. 4. The same applies to the format in which a software is compiled on a memory device: even if the filesystem is recognized and the format in which the software is compiled on the machine is NOT, the software is NOT recognised. Like a software compiled for Windows OS will not run on a Mac or an Android or a Linux device (Unless we use an Emulator to translate the compiled code to the appropriate instruction format for the target OS) 5. Data or Information is erased from an appropriate hardware by either overwriting the data with random binary data or re-writing a new (different) memory partition on the memory device. 6. Since Data on a physical device Exist BUT is NOT physical, then it is NOT Tangible Do these make sense or which one do you disagree with? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 11:09am On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix:So the cells of my hair is Life? Think Bro! |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 11:10am On Apr 25 |
TenQ:Gravity is tangible. We feel its effect and its measurable. Same as electric and magnetic field. Consciousness is not the same as life. There can be alive without consciousness. Viruses/bacteria and other life forms are alive but lack consciousness. I think at this point u should tell us if u actually attended any school at all. Your reasoning is just daft |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 11:16am On Apr 25 |
TenQ:If a programmer inserted a software into a machine memory, isn't that indication that the software exists? Yes u can't touch software but they are tangible because we can interact with them Software programming in the brain? At what age does this programming happen? From emotions, volition etc, babies learn all these from their environment. That's why a baby raised by animals behave like them. All the inputs comes from the interaction with the environment, and environment includes people and animals |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by jaephoenix(m): 11:24am On Apr 25 |
TenQ:Yes, CPU is responsible for almost output except that from bios Info is stored in form of engrams, which are formed in the fetal/neonatal stages, by the baby interacting with the environment. These engrams are then in the cortices. Neurons carry info throughout the body via tracts, ganglia etc |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by TenQ: 11:26am On Apr 25 |
jaephoenix:Please check: I see where you are making your gross errors. We know there is Gravity because of its effects BUT Gravity is not made up of matter Gravity does not have energy Gravity does not have dimension Gravity cannot be removed from one place to the other In other words, Gravity is NOT Tangible even though it EXISTS We can only Feel the Effects of Gravity on masses (the effect is what is called weight) The same with Electric Fields and Magnetic Fields. We can feel their Effects on charges or other magnetic materials as Electric or Magnetic Forces, but the Fields themselves are NOT Tangible. They cannot be described as physical; they are invisible. I agree with you that Consciousness is a Special subset of Life (or Living) therefore they may not be perfectly synonymous. Therefore, I will use Consciousness rather than Life (for the rest of the discussion) As a medical Doctor: Is Consciousness Tangible? |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by KnownUnknown: 11:33am On Apr 25 |
TenQ: The question is straight out of the mind of a ignorant person who doesn’t even realize how benighted he is. |
Re: Atheist Says Spirit Is Nothing Because It Is Non Physical & Invisible by triplechoice(m): 11:39am On Apr 25 |
@TenQ . Since you want to continue fooling yourself,see you blunder fully explained below. This was your original question. TenQ: The above was what I described as hypothetical situation or question. You replied later by removing the "if" to make it read exactly like this below, "The apparent gravitational pull on the moon reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it, how much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1. 1m? Removing "if " here has made it meaningless and incoherent. The question contains two clauses, a subordinate clause and a main clause The first statement in the question with an "if" is a conditional clause, the subordinate clause, preceding the main clause, "how much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1.1m". (Main clause) The conditional clause is very mobile and can be moved to the final position of that original question you asked and it will still make sense like below. "How much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1.1m if the apparent gravitational pull on the moon is reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it?" This is very correct. But see what happened when you stupidly remove the "if" to make it real in your ignorance that you knew what you were doing. How much energy will a man of 60kg use to jump by 1.1m the apparent gravitational pull on the moon is reduced by 5% because of the presence of a large asteroid passing beside it? So you see that by removing the "if" you have rendered the original incoherent. And because the conditional clause came first in the original question ,was why there was a, punctuation mark before the main clause. After it was taken to the end the comma was not needed. I wanted to ignore you concerning this grammatical blunder of yours, but since you keep bringing up as if I was the one who has the problem, I decided to . English language is your problem and that's why you struggle to understand what everyone has been explaining for you |
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