Here is my own brand of atheism which I pray all Christians subscribe; total disbelief/unbelief in goDs where goDs are defined as delusional primates who have regular Divinity hallucinations

nora544:


You are right and look at this, a prosperity preacher take 199 USD only when you want to hear listen to him online on his 4 days preaching

pls have some respect for the dead, I'm sure you don't know this man!! Google his name

Check the lower left hand side of the picture you posted, you will find the objective of the summit

It was a ledearship summit & not a church programme, even though he is a pastor

Read up about him & show some respect

http://leadershipsummit1.com/speakers/dr-myles-munroe/


He was on his way to 2014 edition when his plane crashed

https://mylesmunroeinternational.com/events/global-leadership-forum/

nannymcphee:


pls have some respect for the dead, I'm sure you don't know this man!! Google his name

With all due respect to the dead, there is still no justification for a so called minister of God to charge money for a ministration, leadership or otherwise.

When men die, they are usually remembered for how they live not how they died.

I would have been happy that Myles Munroe was known strictly for motivation speaking and leadership training. That will be understandable. But for one to own a church and then claim to be a motivational speaker is to preach Another Gospel.

I think Nora should be permitted her criticism. If these men will not hear us when they are alive, I hope they or their followers will hear when they are dead.

Munroe made his money speaking and writing. His audience was not always Christian or churches and that's why I excuse him charging. I observed him preaching in churches and then giving talks from five-star hotels which were exorbitantly priced. One may want to question the value of those talks but it's clear there was (is) a ready demand for these services

WinsomeX:


With all due respect to the dead, there is still no justification for a so called minister of God to charge money for a ministration, leadership or otherwise.

When men die, they are usually remembered for how they live not how they died.

I would have been happy that Myles Munroe was known strictly for motivation speaking and leadership training. That will be understandable. But for one to own a church and then claim to be a motivational speaker is to preach Another Gospel.

I think Nora should be permitted her criticism. If these men will not hear us when they are alive, I hope they or their followers will hear when they are dead.

vooks:
Munroe made his money speaking and writing. His audience was not always Christian or churches and that's why I excuse him charging. I observed him preaching in churches and then giving talks from five-star hotels which were exorbitantly priced. One may want to question the value of those talks but it's clear there was (is) a ready demand for these services

You justify the message a man preaches bc there is a ready demand for such services? Haba vooks. You could do better than this.

I have a friend who teaches Leadership and I encouraged him greatly on his career. But I also made it clear to him that what he is teaching is not the gospel and should never been seen as ministry. That's where the likes of Munroe get it wrong. Preaching motivations and leadership in the name of Christian ministry.

The same Munroe is known for making many anti Christian remarks. Now he dies and some say the body of Christ has lost someone. I have never seen Munroe and those he flock with as gospel ministers bc they do not preach the gospel. It is sentiments like that of nanny up there that give these men relevance and does not help us preserve the gospel from perversion.

WinsomeX:


With all due respect to the dead, there is still no justification for a so called minister of God to charge money for a ministration, leadership or otherwise.

When men die, they are usually remembered for how they live not how they died.

I would have been happy that Myles Munroe was known strictly for motivation speaking and leadership training. That will be understandable. But for one to own a church and then claim to be a motivational speaker is to preach Another Gospel.

I think Nora should be permitted her criticism. If these men will not hear us when they are alive, I hope they or their followers will hear when they are dead.

You know nothing about ministry.

Now, even if he is not a Minister, he should not charge for using his God's given talents shey? If he doesn't charge money, how do you expect him to cover for materials, sound, lights and power, venue etc? And you still wonder why your blogging failed? I'd tell you. Envy and destructive criticism.

Gombs:


You know nothing about ministry. If he doesn't charge money, how do you expect him to cover for materials, sound, lights and power, venue etc? And you still wonder why your blogging failed? I'd tell you. Envy and destructive criticism.

If I am not sure of anything else in life, I am certain of this one thing that the statement you quoted was not addressed to you. Yes it's a public forum and you could respond to whom you wish but does the above statement of yours not reveal even to you that you do not have capacity for this sort of discussion?

WinsomeX:


If I am not sure of anything else in life, I am certain of this one thing that the statement you quoted was not addressed to you. Yes it's a public forum and you could respond to whom you wish but does the above statement of yours not reveal even to you that you do not have capacity for this sort of discussion?

It's my thread, if I lack the capacity, please, take your discussion to a new thread, with those capable too, I promise not to interfere. But, if you won't, expect my full participation,. You cannot be the judge and jury in my court.

Now, I quoted you to halt your warped reasoning, for the sake of posterity- Monroe was wrong for "Preaching motivations and leadership in the name of Christian ministry."

Monroe you are trying to rubbish did far far more than you've done, or will do in 3 life times (assuming you continue the way you are now), he did far far more than you can wildly imagine you can do. Even if he was wrong, why don't you copy the right he did and add to your person? Always, you for weird reason love destructive criticism, and seem to know how everything should be done yet you NEVER made any stride in those directions to make even remote impact.

You criticise ministers and ministry on how they do things, yet you don't have anything to show for the true gospel you preach, you excuse is "narrow is the way, and only few find it"

You criticise books others wrote, yet you've written none, your blog failed, your ideas didn't work, did they? Yet you called Hagin a failure.

Your situation is redeemable sha, I have faith and hope.


Thanks in anticipation.

Munroe's trade is no different from Kaplan or Drucker or any other management guru seminars. That's business and not selling the gospel for a fee.

And that's where you get it wrong; assuming that every word coming out of a minister is a sermon

WinsomeX:


You justify the message a man preaches bc there is a ready demand for such services? Haba vooks. You could do better than this.

I have a friend who teaches Leadership and I encouraged him greatly on his career. But I also made it clear to him that what he is teaching is not the gospel and should never been seen as ministry. That's where the likes of Munroe get it wrong. Preaching motivations and leadership in the name of Christian ministry.

The same Munroe is known for making many anti Christian remarks. Now he dies and some say the body of Christ has lost someone. I have never seen Munroe and those he flock with as gospel ministers bc they do not preach the gospel. It is sentiments like that of nanny up there that give these men relevance and does not help us preserve the gospel from perversion.

Gombs:

It's my thread, if I lack the capacity, please, take your discussion to a new thread, with those capable too, I promise not to interfere. But, if you won't, expect my full participation,. You cannot be the judge and jury in my court.

It's your thread... see reasoning. Like it's your forum too abi? When do you plan to tell us your age sef? Let's start with that, then maybe we could excuse you for your baby talk. Your thread... on a public forum. I laff.

Speaking about your thread. Let me congratulate you on the success of it so far, having run this many pages. As I see that such are the things you glory in.

The rest of what you wrote is obviously not worth a response. As to who has or will affect more people in life, Myles or me, I am ready to wait for eternity to reveal that.

Only know that a health and wealth gospel, or a leadership and motivational gospel are NOT the gospel of Jesus Christ. They may help people to lead well in life and make the preacher wealthy but no one will receive a reward for preaching such in the name of Christ.

vooks:
Munroe's trade is no different from Kaplan or Drucker or any other management guru seminars. That's business and not selling the gospel for a fee

How do you justify a so called Christian minister doing such "business" when the Master said freely you have received, freely give.

vooks:

And that's where you get it wrong; assuming that every word coming out of a minister is a sermon

Of course very word may not be a sermon. But can't it be?

Even if I admit that every word of a minister is not a sermon, a conference of that magnitude with advertised paid entry, does it sound like every word to you? Does it sound like everyday regular talk?

Well, let me remind you what I said: Munroe did not preach Jesus' gospel. He preached another gospel. Now that he is dead may he find mercy with his God. If however he would be judged on the "gospel" he preached, your guess is as good as mine. And if you cannot guess what I am thinking, I can understand why threads like this run 60+ pages.

^^^You are right. There is no middle ground in the church.. It is either you are teaching God's word or you are heralding an adulterated gospel.

Paul worked with his hands to earn a living. Why can't Munroe? Would you have raised a finger against him if he sold tents like Paul?

Which other gospel did he preach? Care to explain?

Don't get superstitious on me, lay it all bare. His death has nothing to do with me

WinsomeX:


How do you justify a so called Christian minister doing such "business" when the Master said freely you have received, freely give.



Of course very word may not be a sermon. But can't it be?

Even if I admit that every word of a minister is not a sermon, a conference of that magnitude with advertised paid entry, does it sound like every word to you? Does it sound like everyday regular talk?

Well, let me remind you what I said: Munroe did not preach Jesus' gospel. He preached another gospel. Now that he is dead may he find mercy with his God. If however he would be judged on the "gospel" he preached, your guess is as good as mine. And if you cannot guess what I am thinking, I can understand why threads like this run 60+ pages.

WinsomeX:


How do you justify a so called Christian minister doing such "business" when the Master said freely you have received, freely give.



Of course very word may not be a sermon. But can't it be?

Even if I admit that every word of a minister is not a sermon, a conference of that magnitude with advertised paid entry, does it sound like every word to you? Does it sound like everyday regular talk?

Well, let me remind you what I said: Munroe did not preach Jesus' gospel. He preached another gospel. Now that he is dead may he find mercy with his God. If however he would be judged on the "gospel" he preached, your guess is as good as mine. And if you cannot guess what I am thinking, I can understand why threads like this run 60+ pages.

I hope we will not be at logger heads again

From your statements its obvious you dont know myles munroe, i want to crave your indulgence just to do a little read up on him

Below is the schedule for the 2014 edition of the leadership summit that was supposed to hold and kindly tell me where he got it wrong or made merchandize of the gospel

[size=15pt]2014 GLOBAL LEADERSHIP FORUM
NOVEMBER 1O-13, 2014- FREEPORT GRAND BAHAMA
“Leading Change in a Globalized World Through Principled Innovative Leadership”[/size]
--- SCHEDULE SUBJECT TO CHANGE ---
SUNDAY November 9th
10:00am-12:30pm Session#1“THE ROLE OF SPIRITUALITY IN GLOBAL LEADERSHIP” Dr. Jerry Horner
MONDAY November 10th - OPENING CELEBRATION
8:00am-12:00pm Registration (Convention Center)
9:30am-11:00am Formal Opening Ceremonies
10:00am-11:00am Session #2 “THE PRICE OF LEADERSHIP” Amb. Andrew Young
11:00am-11:30am Announcements & Networking Break
TRACK #1 - PERSONAL LEADERSHIP& GLOBALIZATION
11:30am-12:30pm Session #3 "THE CONCEPT & PRINCIPLES OF GLOBALIZATION" Dr. Myles Munroe
12:30pm-1:30pm Session #4 "THE CHALLENGE OF LEADING IN GLOBALIZATION" Dr. SiphamandlaZondi
1:30pm Break for Lunch & Free Time
5:00pm-6:30pm Delegates Orientation &VIP Leadership Reception Ministry of Tourism
7:00pm-7:30pm Session #5 Opening Plenary Sessions&ITWLA Awards Presentation
7:30pm-8:30pm “GLOBALIZATION &INTERNATIONAL SOCIALIZATION” Dr. SiphamandlaZondi
8:30pm-10:00PM “10 PRINCIPLES OF CHANGE, INNOVATION & LEADERSHIP” Dr. Myles Munroe
9:30pm-10:00pm Closing Remarks
TUESDAY November 11th - TRACK #1 - CORPORATE LEADERSHIP & GLOBALIZATION
8:00am-9:00am Session #6“GLOBALIZATION & THE CLASH OF NATIONAL CULTURE” Dr. Myles Munroe
9:00am-10:00am Session #7“LEADING CHANGE IN A GLOBALIZED THIRD WORLD” Amb. Andrew Young
10:00am-11:00am Session #8“WOMEN IN POLITICS IN A GLOBALIZED WORLD” Hon. Sharon Ffolkes-Abrahams
11:00am-11:30am Announcements & Networking Break
11:30am-12:30pm Session #9 “THE CHALLENGE OF MORALITY IN A GLOBALIZED WORLD” Rev. Raphael Massiah
12:30pm-1:30pm Session #10“KEYS TO BUILDING THE WINNERS EDGE IN LEADERSHIP” Mr. Bob Harrison
1:30pm-2:15pm Break for Lunch
2:30pm-4:00pm Next Generation Leaders Forum Dr. MylesMunroe & Jr. Trustees
Focus: Holding Convictions in a Changing Global World
4:00pm Break& Free Time
7:00pm-7:30pm Plenary Session &ITWLA Awards Presentation
7:30pm-8:30pm Session #11 “WOMEN, EQUALITY & GLOBAL LEADERSHIP” Pas. Sylvia Jordan
8:30pm-9:30pm Session #12 “GENDER EQUALITY IN THE GLOBAL VILLAGE ’’ Hon. Sharon Ffolkes-Abrahams
9:30pm-10:00pm Closing Remarks
WEDNESDAY November 12Th - TRACK #2 - NATIONAL LEADERSHIP & GLOBALIZATION
8:00am-9:00am Session #13 “CONVICTIONS & COMPROMISE IN GLOBAL LEADERSHIP” Dr. Myles Munroe
9:00am-10:00am Session #14 “ECONOMICS & BUSINESS IN A GLOBAL WORLD” Mr. Jerome Edmondson
10:00am-11:00am Session #15 “SMALL STATES & GLOBALIZATION” Dr. Peter Morgan
11:00am-11:15am Announcements & Networking Break
11:15am-12:15pm Session #16“SPIRITUAL FOUNDATIONS IN THE GLOBAL LEADER” Dr. Jerry Horner
12:15pm-1:15pm Session#17“LEADERS VALUING VALUES IN A GLOBALIZED WORLD” Dr. Josephine Bakhuis
1:15pm-2:15pm Break for Lunch & Free Time
2:30pm-4:00pm Government & Leadership Strategy Forum
Focus: GLOBAL POWER, POLITICS, PRINCIPLES, AND SPIRITUALITY
-----Free Networking Evening----
THURSDAY November 13th - TRACK #3 - LEADERS - THE PROCESS
8:00am-9:00am Session #18 “BALANCING INSTITUTIONS & INNOVATION IN LEADERSHIP” Dr. Myles Munroe
9:00am-10:00am Session #19 “THRIVING & LEADING IN THE GLOBAL WORKPLACE” Dr. Richard Pinder
10:00am-11:00am Session #20 “LEADERSHIP CREATIVITY IN A GLOBAL WORLD” Dr. Martin Williams
11:00am-11:30am Announcements & Networking Break
11:30am-12:45pm Workshops/Seminars:
“LEADERSHIP & THE SEVEN POWERS OF GLOBAL TRANSFORMATION”
- Politics, Economics, Business, Education, Health, Law, Culture -
• Workshop/Seminar #1 - Globalization & Politics Hon. Kendal Major
• Workshop/Seminar #2 - Globalization & Economics Messrs. Graham Pitt & Werner Gruner
• Workshop/Seminar #3 - Globalization & Business Mr. Jerome Edmondson
• Workshop/Seminar #4 - Globalization & Education Dr. Patricia Morgan
• Workshop/Seminar #5 - Globalization & The Media Dr. Margaret Elcock
• Workshop/Seminar #6 - Globalization & Law Mr. MerritStorr
• Workshop/Seminar #7 - Globalization & Culture Dr. Dave Burrows

12:45pm-1:30pm Networking Break
1:30pm-3:00pm GLF Awards & Graduation Luncheon
---- END OF FORUM - ENJOY THE BAHAMAS ----
… CHANGE THROUGH LEADERSHIP…
SCHEDULE SUBJECT TO CHANGE
Next Generation Leaders Forum - Dr. Myles Munroe & Jr. Trustees:
FOCUS:FUTURE LEADERS HOLDING CONVICTIONS IN A CHANGING GLOBAL WORLD
PANEL:
Charlie Masala
TristaKragh
Charisa Munroe
April Ripley
Carrington Morgan
Hubert Sugira
YemiAkinsiwaju

Sometimes Christians are so heavenly conscious but earthly daft!!! i know we are pilgrims on earth but we are also suppose to make the earth better, help in solving problems and not contribute to it or be passive about events while on earth

they cant hold any meaningful conversation outside the bible, talk about the world events or some technological revolution and they will be aloof

Dr Myles Munroe was able to make those distinction between both worlds, his message on the kingdom of God will help doubters get a full picture of what I'm talking about

[quote author=WinsomeX post=28067272]

It's your thread... see reasoning. Like it's your forum too abi? When do you plan to tell us your age sef? Let's start with that, then maybe we could excuse you for your baby talk. Your thread... on a public forum. I laff.

You and one other lady here are the adults asking for the age of another poster, and you both think you are in wisdom! Yes, it's my thread, if you hate the fact...hit the unfollow button.

Speaking about your thread. Let me congratulate you on the success of it so far, having run this many pages. As I see that such are the things you glory in.

Yeah, it's better than that thread you created to peddle falshood and gloat, having o.rgasmic pleasure in someone else's tough times. I glory in the impact of any thread I gvie time and energy to, not creating threads out of spite, bitterness and sheer envy.

The rest of what you wrote is obviously not worth a response. As to who has or will affect more people in life, Myles or me, I am ready to wait for eternity to reveal that.

Truth stings, don't she?
Wait on brother!

Only know that a health and wealth gospel, or a leadership and motivational gospel are NOT the gospel of Jesus Christ. They may help people to lead well in life and make the preacher wealthy but no one wil receive a reward for preaching such in the name of Christ.

Signed by:Senior Special Adviser to God on Worship Affairs.
Mr Drummaboy Esq

*clap fpr yourself

nannymcphee:
Sometimes Christians are so heavenly conscious but earthly daft!!! i know we are pilgrims on earth but we are also suppose to make the earth better, help in solving problems and not contribute to it or be passive about events while on earth

Christians tend to be that way because we have been called to be completely different in our mindset and in our thinking. What you call daft might not necessarily be daft in God's perspective.

I agree with you that we can help in anyway we can within God's wisdom to make the world a better place.

nannymcphee:

they cant hold any meaningful conversation outside the bible, talk about the world events or some technological revolution and they will be aloof

I believe it is essential that Christians challenge their mind by getting informed about their environment and the world. Bu, he place for this isn't within the church. The church should be a place to acquire knowledge about God.

nannymcphee:

Dr Myles Munroe was able to make those distinction between both worlds, his message on the kingdom of God will help doubters get a full picture of what I'm talking about

Does he do his secular teachings under the umbrella of the church?

@nanny, a simple question please: where is the gospel in that schedule? I won't even ask where is the name Christ. That will be far-fetched, just show me a hint of the gospel in those titles, then we can proceed.

Gombs:





You criticise ministers and ministry on how they do things, yet you don't have anything to show for the true gospel you preach, you excuse is "narrow is the way, and only few find it"

You criticise books others wrote, yet you've written none, your blog failed, your ideas didn't work, did they? Yet you called Hagin a failure.

Your situation is redeemable sha, I have faith and hope.

hehehehe, this guy you badt o.

WinsomeX:
@nanny, a simple question please: where is the gospel in that schedule? I won't even ask where is the name Christ. That will be far-fetched, just show me a hint of the gospel in those titles, then we can proceed.

You are getting it all wrong!!!!

He didn't call it church programme neither did he tell you the summit was about Jesus!!


If a pastor who happens to be a programmer should hold summit in web design, will you fault him for doing that?

Go through the schedule & tell me where he got it wrong, the schedule will tell you the objective of the summit

Might I ask you how you will counsel the president of a nation who is an atheist or Moslem? assuming he is faced with a decision that could cause war? How will you go about it?

^^^

My dear, we are getting to crux of the matter.

Myles Munroe, from the info I have on him, pastors a church. In the same bid he does leadership training and motivational teachings for secular organizations. The question that need be asked is this: does he distinguish his role as a Pastor from that of a secular teacher? His teachings are found in his books essentially. How many of those books preach Christ and the gospel of the kingdom? Do you know the gospel of the kingdom? If, as Gombs will have us believe, that these "extras" he does is his own "tent-making", where else has he taught the gospel?

See, young woman, when you find a man called to preach Jesus and the gospel of his kingdom, everything else he does is second fiddle. His passion is like Paul's "woe is me if I preach not the gospel".

The manner with which Myles Munroe died was tragic but the bigger tragedy is having a set of Christians today who think that what Myles Munroe and his friends preach is the gospel. You yourself cannot find any reference to Christianity on that schedule and you think such a person was consumed to preach Christ? The only thing you find there is a vague reference to spirituality. And spirituality can include New Age, Hinduism, Mysticism, Eckankar, Roman Catholicism, WoF, etc.

How will I counsel the nation President? I will do it in Jesus name. I will explore every opportunity I have to save some. That's Christian preaching and living.

shdemidemi:




Does he do his secular teachings under the umbrella of the church?

Pls go thru this website

https://mylesmunroeinternational.com/about-us/mylesmunroeinternational/

it will give you clarity, this is not his church's website

nannymcphee:
Pls go thru this website
https://mylesmunroeinternational.com/about-us/mylesmunroeinternational/
it will give you clarity, this is not his church's website

^^^
Not judging or picking on Myles Munroe, especially since, I've picked up one or two from him that gave me clarity in areas I sought understanding etc in. By and large Myles Munroe's teachings were kosher, and if there were any that weren't I usually chew them, spit their bones out and don't swallow.

The thing about Myles Munroe is the hustling aspect, the narcissism and the fraternizing with WoF because of lucre
It was getting or becoming alarming lately, with the depth of an increasingly hustling ‎by him across the African churches and third world nations, especially the African ones etc

Thank God it wasn't a painful death for him or any of the other guys, as the eye witness report say it was sudden, and that they didn't have to suffer‎ etc

May all RIP
- death, it just puts things into perspective

---

- EXCERPT -

Then they said,
"Come, let us build ourselves a city, with a tower that reaches to the heavens,
so that we may make a name for ourselves;
otherwise we will be scattered over the face of the whole earth."
- Genesis 11:4 NIV

Then they said,
"Come, let's build a great city for ourselves with a tower that reaches into the sky.
This will make us famous and keep us from being scattered all over the world."
- Genesis 11:4 NLT

Who personalises the Gospel and/or names God's work, business or ministry after themselves.?
Well, this is a common practice among WoF adherents/proponents
To them, it is like as if their names have some sort of "anointing", "power" etc hence the reason for the naming of God's work etcetera after themselves, though individual WoF names wont be mentioned, the spirit behind it will be.

The Tower of Babel/Nimrod spirit is the principality behind these personalities making name(s) for themselves, lapping up adulation, lapping up idolization, lapping up fame, and/or building empires (e.g. multi-million dollar church ministry/church building/television ministry etc)

The influence of the Tower of Babel/Nimrod spirit is so strong, that those personalising the Gospel become bold enough to name the labour of love and work of the Kingdom after themselves (e.g. Pastor XYZ Media Ministries, Pastor Joe Bloggs Ministries etc)
The labour of love, work of the Gospel, Bibles, institutions (e.g. universities etc) are named after them whilst alive and not even posthumously

They personalise the gospel enough, that it is unavoidably evident that the "ministries" are one-man shows and/or operations, which after the namesakes dies, will decrease and gradually fade out before coming to an end because they are personality and not God driven ministries

They personalise the gospel to perfection, they even have personnels or “armour-bearers” to carry their personals (e.g. umbrellas, mobile phones, Bibles, hymn books, man-purse etc)
They don’t travel any more different than the next person, but are bent on acquiring personal jet to move about.

They've personalised the gospel enough to cling on, dearly to positions, forming MOG, and claiming release or exception from stepping down or submitting to counseling during/after divorce or separation (i.e. they are above that)
Personalised the gospel enough that extramarital affairs, divorce and/or separation is OK, as the demands of the ministry takes heavy tolls on marriages.
Personalised the gospel enough for personal enrichment through living off tithes and offerings, seed money, first fruits offering etc and through misinterpreting and misquoting bible verses and twisting the bible for other ulterior and financial motives

They have become so self absorbed hence the dependence on and/or trust in their own names as opposed to trusting in Jesus' name
They personalised the gospel by adding letters after their titles or have initials following their names, so as to be above and have authority over common person

Personalised the gospel enough that they have become the focus of a substantial/significant cult following of die-hards
They have a following of people, draw attention to themselves instead of constantly pointing others to Jesus

They advertise retreats, revivals, conferences on buses, tabloids, TV channels, magazines etc personalised with their pictures prominently displayed on the adverts, flyers, billboards etc
Their visits to other gatherings are personal to them, as they expect to have either a seat on the altar or a front row cushioned seat.

They promote their books, always called a “your life will never be the same best seller” even though it's not
Also one of the main reasons for personalising the Gospel, is to separate and legally guarantee that the incomes/revenues generated from authorship (i.e. proceeds of books sales etc) are exclusively for them and not for the "church"

Resorting to self-image (i.e. elevating self instead of elevating God) and when names are put on things, points to the person
but in this business of the Father, the rule of thumb is to always point to Jesus Christ whom we are supposed to be serving and not us
Afterall when the dust settles, one name remains above every name (i.e. Jesus')
and only what is done for and/or named after Jesus will last

- /EXCERPT -
PERSONALIZING THE GOSPEL
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/23#26653664

nannymcphee:


You are getting it all wrong!!!!

He didn't call it church programme neither did he tell you the summit was about Jesus!!


If a pastor who happens to be a programmer should hold summit in web design, will you fault him for doing that?

Go through the schedule & tell me where he got it wrong, the schedule will tell you the objective of the summit

Might I ask you how you will counsel the president of a nation who is an atheist or Moslem? assuming he is faced with a decision that could cause war? How will you go about it?

my sister, you really need to undastand winsomex, yes our brother had d right to earn a living, but remember Christ and his approach to do d work of him dat sent him, he said,'' if any man love me, let him deny himself and take up his cross AND FOLLOW ME'' @Gombs, d only sensible thing in ur post which i also fight against is ''the proclevity of throwing away the baby with the bathe water'' i believe that everyman in their worst state still has a spark of divinity bc we were all created in God's image and likeness. When i meet a man, online/offline, i look for all d good thing about him/her and copy and discard all d negatives, dats what i do with my teachers, friends, neigbours, coursemates, pastor Chris, Oyedepo, Okon, Candour, winsomx, Bidam, demi, Goshen and u, Gombs, i benefit from ur goodness but refuse to share in ur iniquities. Jo is ur ce pastor, but he has commited a big fraud dat has made ppl like shdemidemi to exclaim, i was right afterall, no christian can heal! Pls pls pls sin is sin, a bad thing is a bad thing, it so shameful what u have done, i used to joke dat u are VERY DISHONEST, but never knew how truely shamelessly dishoness you are untill this jogate. @winsomx, i believe the late Dr Myles left so many good examples, pls bro lets copy d good and forget about d mistakes.

nannymcphee:


Pls go thru this website

https://mylesmunroeinternational.com/about-us/mylesmunroeinternational/

it will give you clarity, this is not his church's website

I believe we both agree the content of this website is not God nor His message but a message on how to be relevant in the world from a world view.

christemmbassey:
Jo is ur ce pastor, but he has commited a big fraud dat has made ppl like shdemidemi to exclaim, i was right afterall, no christian can heal!

Bro, I never said God can't use anyone to actualise His holistic purpose. If He can use the devil with Job, Peter, and Jesus; what stops Him from using a christian?

I say 'NOBODY HAS AN INHERENT POWER TO DO THE MIRACULOUS'.

It's no use telling a blind man what color the sky is!!!

hmmmmmmmmmmm, this is so apt a message for me as regards those antitithers that were in the parable of the sky. thanks nanny.

WinsomeX:
^^^

The question that need be asked is this: does he distinguish his role as a Pastor from that of a secular teacher?

yes he did, go thru this website
https://mylesmunroeinternational.com/about-us/mylesmunroeinternational/

How many of those books preach Christ and the gospel of the kingdom?

how many of his books have you read? how many of his messages have you listened to? for you to conclude he hasnt preached enough of christ?


from this link below, you will find that it wasn't called a christian conference, the objectives were clearly written

https://mylesmunroeinternational.com/events/global-leadership-forum/

the bigger tragedy is having a set of Christians today who think that what Myles Munroe and his friends preach is the gospel

Myles Munroe preaches the gospel but nobody will think and say that, that summit or other programs he had outside the church was about christ or the gospel

the general assumption could be that its about the gospel since he is a pastor, but the invitation card, website, flyers are pretty clear about it

will this faulty assumption by folks be the preachers fault?

How will I counsel the nation President? I will do it in Jesus name. I will explore every opportunity I have to save some. That's Christian preaching and living

you are not getting my point, lets assusme Ban ki moon(UN SEC GEN) or Iranian President, meets you for counsel on matters concerning their state, how will you counsel them? is that the time to preach the gospel to them? to tell them that when & if they give accept the lordship of jesus, their problem will be over? is that it?

Was that what Joseph did to Pharaoh? to tell him about Jehovah and how great he was?

what about Daniel?

there are minister who counsel leaders of industry, presidents of nations and associations on a constant basis, providing counsel/solutions to their problem while systematically preaching the gospel to them!!

nannymcphee:
you are not getting my point, lets assusme Ban ki moon(UN SEC GEN) or Iranian President, meets you for counsel on matters concerning their state, how will you counsel them? is that the time to preach the gospel to them? to tell them that when & if they give accept the lordship of jesus, their problem will be over? is that it?

Was that what Joseph did to Pharaoh? to tell him about Jehovah and how great he was?

what about Daniel?

there are minister who counsel leaders of industry, presidents of nations and associations on a constant basis, providing counsel/solutions to their problem while systematically preaching the gospel to them!!

Yes, according to 2 Corinthians 6:2, it is the time to preach the gospel to them, just like Paul did below...

²⁴Suddenly, Festus shouted, “Paul, you are insane. Too much study has made you crazy!”

²⁵But Paul replied, “I am not insane, Most Excellent Festus. What I am saying is the sober truth.
²⁶And King Agrippa knows about these things. I speak boldly, for I am sure these events are all familiar to him, for they were not done in a corner!
²⁷King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know you do—”

²⁸Agrippa interrupted him. “Do you think you can persuade me to become a Christian so quickly?”

²⁹Paul replied,
“Whether quickly or not, I pray to God that both you and everyone here in this audience might become the same as I am, except for these chains.”

- Acts 26:25-29 NLT

BabaGnoni:


The Tower of Babel/Nimrod spirit is the principality behind these personalities making name(s) for themselves, lapping up adulation, lapping up idolization, lapping up fame, and/or building empires (e.g. multi-million dollar church ministry/church building/television ministry etc)

The influence of the Tower of Babel/Nimrod spirit is so strong, that those personalising the Gospel become bold enough to name the labour of love and work of the Kingdom after themselves (e.g. Pastor XYZ Media Ministries, Pastor Joe Bloggs Ministries etc)
The labour of love, work of the Gospel, Bibles, institutions (e.g. universities etc) are named after them whilst alive and not even posthumously

They personalise the gospel enough, that it is unavoidably evident that the "ministries" are one-man shows and/or operations, which after the namesakes dies, will decrease and gradually fade out before coming to an end because they are personality and not God driven ministries

They personalise the gospel to perfection, they even have personnels or “armour-bearers” to carry their personals (e.g. umbrellas, mobile phones, Bibles, hymn books, man-purse etc)
They don’t travel any more different than the next person, but are bent on acquiring personal jet to move about.

They've personalised the gospel enough to cling on, dearly to positions, forming MOG, and claiming release or exception from stepping down or submitting to counseling during/after divorce or separation (i.e. they are above that)
Personalised the gospel enough that extramarital affairs, divorce and/or separation is OK, as the demands of the ministry takes heavy tolls on marriages.
Personalised the gospel enough for personal enrichment through living off tithes and offerings, seed money, first fruits offering etc and through misinterpreting and misquoting bible verses and twisting the bible for other ulterior and financial motives

They have become so self absorbed hence the dependence on and/or trust in their own names as opposed to trusting in Jesus' name
They personalised the gospel by adding letters after their titles or have initials following their names, so as to be above and have authority over common person

Personalised the gospel enough that they have become the focus of a substantial/significant cult following of die-hards
They have a following of people, draw attention to themselves instead of constantly pointing others to Jesus

They advertise retreats, revivals, conferences on buses, tabloids, TV channels, magazines etc personalised with their pictures prominently displayed on the adverts, flyers, billboards etc
Their visits to other gatherings are personal to them, as they expect to have either a seat on the altar or a front row cushioned seat.

They promote their books, always called a “your life will never be the same best seller” even though it's not
Also one of the main reasons for personalising the Gospel, is to separate and legally guarantee that the incomes/revenues generated from authorship (i.e. proceeds of books sales etc) are exclusively for them and not for the "church"

Resorting to self-image (i.e. elevating self instead of elevating God) and when names are put on things, points to the person
but in this business of the Father, the rule of thumb is to always point to Jesus Christ whom we are supposed to be serving and not us
Afterall when the dust settles, one name remains above every name (i.e. Jesus')
and only what is done for and/or named after Jesus will last

- /EXCERPT -
PERSONALIZING THE GOSPEL
https://www.nairaland.com/1790500/word-faith-movements-doctrine-proponents/23#26653664

we agree that some ministers have done and are doing the above points listed, but we are talking about Dr Myles Munroe for now. you are grouping everyone under this WOF umbrella

I have to go with Gombs on this

Its not enough to criticize, you show the way!!! show how it ought to be done

dont just sit on the sidewalks and criticize!!

write the book, pastor the church, preach the gospel the way it ought to be preached... then come tell us to learn from you

BabaGnoni:


Like Paul...

²⁴Suddenly, Festus shouted, “Paul, you are insane. Too much study has made you crazy!”

²⁵But Paul replied, “I am not insane, Most Excellent Festus. What I am saying is the sober truth.
²⁶And King Agrippa knows about these things. I speak boldly, for I am sure these events are all familiar to him, for they were not done in a corner!
²⁷King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know you do—”

²⁸Agrippa interrupted him. “Do you think you can persuade me to become a Christian so quickly?”

²⁹Paul replied,
“Whether quickly or not, I pray to God that both you and everyone here in this audience might become the same as I am, except for these chains.”

- Acts 26:25-29 NLT

Dont tell me you didnt understand the question i asked

Dont take that word "systematically" in isolation

Paul wasnt counseling them there!!!!

Dr myles Munroe counseled presidents of nations, you think he didnt preach christ to them, how do you offer guidance to your superiors in your workplace? so for every challenge that comes up, you keep telling them about jesus or reminding them that if they had given their hearts to christ they would have known what to do

Drummaboy aka WinsomeX has this legendary ability to criticize or condemn a man or ministry he knows nothing about, except what he read from some websites. He criticised Hagin so bad and when properly informed, he confessed he's never read any of Hagin's book, and that point to the fact that he's not listened to any of his messages.

Now, he's attacking Monroe, a man he's never read his books nor listened to. How then did Drummaboy get informed? From web pages of fellow backbiters. Same him said pastors should get a job, now the condition is the job should be strictly gospe ie non secular. Suddenly, motivational and leadership personality should not train muslims and others.

When asked a brilliant question on how he'd advice a world leader, say obama calle d him and asked "WinsomeX, how do I fix falling crude oil price?" WinsomeX will immediately start preaching the gospel and asking for those who'd give their lives to Christ.

I dey watch o....I'm really tired sef, might see you all tomorrow. Just touched down in Lagos for IPPC, I am soooooooo tired.