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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by pazienza(m): 3:01pm On Apr 23, 2015
kcjazz:
We are not producing enough young political leaders.

If a Soludo cannot win in Anambra, then its gonna be a long walk. Why can't our tecnocrats win elections at home? Every major tribe has a person that grows into the Presidency. For the North people like Sule Lamido or even Tambuwal is grooming himself now. Fashola has national appeal. If you are not a former Military guy then the path is through been a Governor. Nigerians are demanding more but if you are an Ochendo how can you ever become President.

Achieve in your state first and ambition to be a President will match the right opportunity.


How exactly are Tambuwal and Fashola presidential materials? Is Buhari a presidential material too? Is he better than Ochendo in any aspect of leadership or personal achievements? Other than shooting himself into power?

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Nobody: 3:01pm On Apr 23, 2015
size40:
[s]pls enough of this rubbish. which one is Igbo President? Goodluck Ebele Jonathan has taken their turn because he is their son[/s]

Hatred can kill my brother. Stop the bitterness, Jonathan is an Ijaw man not Igbo. We only gave him our support till the end just like the North supported Buhari.

There will be an Igbo president you hear?

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Nobody: 3:02pm On Apr 23, 2015
omonnakoda:
please do not pretend you do not know
kolo mental
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Nobody: 3:03pm On Apr 23, 2015
ramdris:
They can if people like Ogbonnaya are nominated. The Ibo's don't seems to like Rochas and Ngige even though they seems to have national appeal. Personally, I really do want to see an Ibo President but that can only come if they start seeing other zones as friends rather than enemy The truth is to be President, u must get the support of other zones.

The idea of holding on to past pain is what is really affecting them in their dealings with other zones. Even their Leaders use the biafra war to further divide the people by using it as a campaign speech whenever a northerner or south westerners are vying for the same office with them. This has to stop for them to lead.

Correct!

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by pazienza(m): 3:03pm On Apr 23, 2015
PassingShot:
I have thought of this same issue too and as I was about arriving at an answer (or so I thought), I realized that the Igbos failed to vote for late Odumegu Ojukwu when he ran in 2003.

In 2007 when Buhari ran with late Okadigbo (which should have meant that they could have a shot at the presidency after GMB), they didn't vote for the ticket.

Then I concluded that perhaps the Igbos do not like to produce the president.


I see, if Ndiigbo refuse to vote for their own, they are naive and not united, but if they do, they are tribal and vindictive, and still holding on to past grievances. You lots should make a decision and stick to it. Enough of this goal post changing.

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Serex66: 3:08pm On Apr 23, 2015
Actually Rochas would contest in 2019 and i think he would win....he said Buhari promised him if he supports him this time that he too would support him in 2019 and I know Buhari is a man of his words.

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by MalcoImX: 3:09pm On Apr 23, 2015
EUROBOMBER:


Amaechi is from the political SS at least for now, we want a man from the SE please.
It answers the OP's question if he is an Igbo. Okorocha can claim being a northerner too, but he is an Igbo.
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by PassingShot(m): 3:11pm On Apr 23, 2015
pazienza:



I see, if Ndiigbo refuse to vote for their own, they are naive and not united, but if they do, they are tribal and vindictive, and still holding on to past grievances. You lots should make a decision and stick to it. Enough of this goal post changing.

Kpele!
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by PassingShot(m): 3:15pm On Apr 23, 2015
pazienza:



I see, if Ndiigbo refuse to vote for their own, they are naive and not united, but if they do, they are tribal and vindictive, and still holding on to past grievances. You lots should make a decision and stick to it. Enough of this goal post changing.

I checked my post again to look for naive, not united, tribal, vindictive and holding past grievances but I didn't see any of them.

undecided
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by PassingShot(m): 3:17pm On Apr 23, 2015
Serex66:
Actually Rochas would contest in 2019 and i think he would win....he said Buhari promised him if he supports him this time that he too would support him in 2019 and I know Buhari is a man of his words.

I don't think anything like that happened. There were no conditions in the whole arrangement.
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by okekeanayo(f): 3:18pm On Apr 23, 2015
xtayle:
For whatever its worth, the generality of the igbo nation must desist from tribal(simple or acute) and hate tendencies. They must shift from their present mentality of seeing themselves as superior to others. They also must first respect others (especially d host of their places of prosperity) so others can respect them (respect is reciprocal). It will be helpful for them to start seeing Nigeria as one and act as such. No one is going to leave Nigeria 4 d other. Other tribes needs to start seeing nationalistic tendencies in them. As it is now, even though we all love them, no one trust them, they need to earn d collective trust of majority of other tribes in Nigeria.
you have spoken like a yoruba man, they are deceitful and tribally inclined. You beat ur chest to be one who determine votes but ask with what number of votes? When south-east and south-south voted for Obasanjo in 1999 and 2003, they were the right people, when these same zones voted for Yaradua in 2007 they were not tribal and sentimental. When they presented and voted a candidate, they became sentimental and tribal. My question is have the south-south and south-east shown love enough to Hausas and yorubas that should engender same love from the later? You have said it allow trust is earned but yoruba man is not trusted in the bed of politics, not even the hausas can trust them.

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Nobody: 3:18pm On Apr 23, 2015
Daverytimes:
They don't need the presidency, we need good governors because they affect the lives of the individuals in a state far more than the president does. Having an Igbo president is simply a matter of pride, nothing more nothing less. Will it happen? sure, its a matter of when not if.
correct..what people need are implementation of good and peoples govt policies,not who becomes president..the north has produced the highest number of presidents but still lags behind every other regions on all indices and scales..that the north have very rich folks like dangote who became rich thru lopsided govt patronage is outta da question,that does nothing to the huge amount of the ever loitering and pauperised talakawas and almajiris..
The sw are front runners in terms of intellectualism and education,awolowo,who got that credit and honor literarilly begged to be president for a day...and that academic feat was achieved way long before obj came onboard as civilian president and i doubt he,obj,made any inputs when he dorned that khaki..
The igbos are natural progressives,survivalists,dexterous,industrial and are trully blessed and have done extremely well for themselves and others in the face of deliberate govt strigent and harsh policies and having never substantially occupied the seat of power....
The north's rabid and thirst for power coupled with her long time in the seat of power has done little or no good to everyone and region and they are not ready to allow others direct the country's affairs.
So its not all about being president,afterall gej was there for about 6yrs and the niger delta is still degraded and denigrated;polluted and exploited.

The op talked about not entertaining issues thats gotta do with Biafra or massob..but truth is,that definitely could be what the igbos deserve and need. Same goes for the niger deltans.

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Nobody: 3:19pm On Apr 23, 2015
MalcoImX:
It answers the OP's question if he is an Igbo. Okorocha can claim being a northerner too, but he is an Igbo.

How can Okorocha claim being a Northerner?
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by pazienza(m): 3:20pm On Apr 23, 2015
PassingShot:


I checked my post again to look for naive, not united, tribal, vindictive and holding past grievances but I didn't see any of them.

undecided

That post was not just for you, but for other Nigerians and naive Igbos.

Nothing the Igbo does will ever please Nigerians, his every move and actions will always be assigned negative intentions and used against him.

He is damned if he moves, and condemned if he stands. There is no pleasing our detractors.

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Nobody: 3:22pm On Apr 23, 2015
pazienza:



I see, if Ndiigbo refuse to vote for their own, they are naive and not united, but if they do, they are tribal and vindictive, and still holding on to past grievances. You lots should make a decision and stick to it. Enough of this goal post changing.

I WISH EVERYONE WOULD RESPOND AND REACT TO THIS BRILLIANT POST.

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by MalcoImX: 3:25pm On Apr 23, 2015
okekeanayo:
you have spoken like a yoruba man, they are deceitful and tribally inclined. You beat ur chest to be one who determine votes but ask with what number of votes? When south-east and south-south voted for Obasanjo in 1999 and 2003, they were the right people, when these same zones voted for Yaradua in 2007 they were not tribal and sentimental. When they presented and voted a candidate, they became sentimental and tribal. My question is have the south-south and south-east shown love enough to Hausas and yorubas that should engender same love from the later? You have said it allow trust is earned but yoruba man is not trusted in the bed of politics, not even the hausas can trust them.
You are wrong on this, okekeanayo. The North will easily trust the SW to the SE. Why is this?

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by giantstrides(m): 3:37pm On Apr 23, 2015
pazienza:



I see, if Ndiigbo refuse to vote for their own, they are naive and not united, but if they do, they are tribal and vindictive, and still holding on to past grievances. You lots should make a decision and stick to it. Enough of this goal post changing.

So why do you feel the igbos refused to vote for Ojukwu ,despite his revered status in Igbo land ?
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Nobody: 3:38pm On Apr 23, 2015
EUROBOMBER:


If that is true the curse will not work, the curse of one man cannot hold a whole race down. besides, do you know that Aole placed a cusre on the Yorubas after what Afonja did to him?

Go and study history.

The curse of a dying man can. And so far what has happened to discredit it?
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by MalcoImX: 3:39pm On Apr 23, 2015
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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by MalcoImX: 3:40pm On Apr 23, 2015
EUROBOMBER:


How can Okorocha claim being a Northerner?
I said he can "claim" by the fact that he spent a large part of his life there and have social, political and economic relationships with the region .
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Crieff(m): 3:41pm On Apr 23, 2015
EUROBOMBER:


The lesson is simple, no zone can produce the president on it's own in this country. You need the support of at least about three other zones to make it up there. The Yorubas rejected Obasanjo but their block rejection was not enough to stop him because other regions wanted him. We have to reach out to other regions in this country and form lasting alliances, that is the only way to achieving an Igbo presidency in Nigeria.

In other words, an Igbo presidential candidate may likely recieve more support from other region other than his own....as long as the required alliance is present?
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by pazienza(m): 3:44pm On Apr 23, 2015
giantstrides:


So why do you feel the igbos refused to vote for Ojukwu ,despite his revered status in Igbo land ?

The better question is: don't you think Ndiigbo should be applauded and commended for rejecting their beloved son, in favour of a foreigner, in the spirit of "one Nigeria"?

Shouldn't that act be seen as a testament of the Igbo "detribalized" nature and true belief in the unity of one Nigeria?

Shouldn't that singular altruistic act of rejecting our own beloved and most cherished "Ojukwu" in favour of a foreigner be seen as a proof to the fact that Ndiigbo as a people are not. sentimental people held down by past grievances?

Shouldn't the rest of Nigeria be applauding us for doing what both Yorubas and Arewas can never do ie, support another over their own?

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by pazienza(m): 3:51pm On Apr 23, 2015
You won't of course. It is more convenient for you to assign negative intentions and motives to that act.

You find a way to twist it and make the Igbo the villain, you twist them as follows.

1: The Igbo didn't vote for Ojukwu because they lack unity, they are silly,too, individualistic and lacking in political sophistication.

2: They didn't vote for Ojukwu becos they are AGIP( all government in power) they only vote any government in power.

3: They didn't vote for Ojukwu because they are too money loving, so their leaders were bought over with money.

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by pazienza(m): 3:53pm On Apr 23, 2015
You have created a game that the Igbo can never win, no matter how hard he tries, cos you keep changing the rules to make sure he remains the villain!

This is the truth that the naive Igbos are yet to grasp,

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by cirmuell(m): 3:56pm On Apr 23, 2015
I'm seeing shitty post I don't wanna see already. undecided

Anyway, if Rochas shows interest in 2019...he's getting Nigerians vote. That will depend on the performance of the incoming administration though.
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Olaolufred(m): 4:02pm On Apr 23, 2015
IGBO'S SPIRIT OF INDIVIDUALISM AND EXHIBITIONISM MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO STAND TOGETHER AS A FORMIDABLE FORCE.

THIS TRAITS MADE IT IMPOSSIBLE FOR THEM TO SUPPORT ANY OF THEIR OWN SON.

IF YOU THINK IT IS A LIE, ASK OJUKWU AND CHEKWAS OKORIE.
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Nobody: 4:03pm On Apr 23, 2015
EzioAuditore:


The curse of a dying man can. And so far what has happened to discredit it?

Aole was also a dying man..Go figure. embarassed
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Nobody: 4:05pm On Apr 23, 2015
EUROBOMBER:


Aole was also a dying man..Go figure. embarassed

Maybe his is not active but Tafawa Balewas is, until proven otherwise.
Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by giantstrides(m): 4:12pm On Apr 23, 2015
pazienza:


The better question is: don't you think Ndiigbo should be applauded and commended for rejecting their beloved son, in favour of a foreigner, in the spirit of "one Nigeria"?

Shouldn't that act be seen as a testament of the Igbo "detribalized" nature and true belief in the unity of one Nigeria?

Shouldn't that singular altruistic act of rejecting our own beloved and most cherished "Ojukwu" in favour of a foreigner be seen as a proof to the fact that Ndiigbo as a people are not. sentimental people held down by past grievances?

Shouldn't the rest of Nigeria be applauding us for doing what both Yorubas and Arewas can never do ie, support another over their own?

My question wasn't answered, you just steered the discussion to another angle. I think I agree with passingshot, the Igbos do not seem to want the presidency, right from the first republic when Azikwe's led NCNC rejected Awolowo's AG in an alliance that would have made the Igbos a dominant force , since they held higher numbers in the parliament than the Action Group. Instead , they joined NPC and gave the northerners power on a platter of gold, the mistake has been repeated over and over again since then .

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Nobody: 4:35pm On Apr 23, 2015
EzioAuditore:



[s]Maybe his is not active but Tafawa Balewas is, until proven otherwise.[/s]

The Igbos are a blessed group of people. God has blessed us and no man can curse us.

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by Duru1(m): 4:40pm On Apr 23, 2015
@OP

Please shove your Nigeria and its presidency. Ndiigbo do not need a thing that belongs to the gutter.

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Re: How Can Nigeria Produce An Ibo President? by pazienza(m): 4:40pm On Apr 23, 2015
giantstrides:


My question wasn't answered, you just steered the discussion to another angle. I think I agree with passingshot, the Igbos do not seem to want the presidency, right from the first republic when Azikwe's led NCNC rejected Awolowo's AG in an alliance that would have made the Igbos a dominant force , since they held higher numbers in the parliament than the Action Group. Instead , they joined NPC and gave the northerners power on a platter of gold, the mistake has been repeated over and over again since then .

Lies your ancestors passed on to you.

Awo was never interested in forming any alliance with Zik, he was only weighing up his options and sizing up the East and North. For while he was in discussion for a possible alliance with Zik, his right hand man, Akintola was in the North on his behalf discussing on possible alliance with the North. He played the same game on Ojukwu. Zik was older and wiser in the ways of the world, than Ojukwu, he easily picked up on Awo's treachery, and hurriedly teamed up with North.

Blame your treacherous Awo for the failure of the East - West alliance.

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