alexis:


You still haven't answered the question. You are copying and pasting the responses from scholars who don't believe in the Bible. I am asking you to address the points I have raised by yourself. While you are at it:

Can you respond to why Thomas in the Bible referred to Jesus as: My Lord and my God John 20:27-29. Thomas was a Jew and knew that associating any person to God Almighty was sin yet he called Jesus God, can you explain in your own words.

yes, the explanation for those verses are quite detailed, so I have to share articles that explains them. Please take time to read them. And these explanation were gotten from our,(JEHOVAHS WITNESSES) study of the Bible, and corroborated by scholars. Regarding john 20:27-29


John 20:28 (RS) reads: “Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’”
There is no objection to referring to Jesus as “God,” if this is what Thomas had in mind. Such would be in harmony with Jesus’ own quotation from the Psalms in which powerful men, judges, were addressed as “gods.” (John 10:34, 35, RS; Ps. 82:1-6) Of course, Christ occupies a position far higher than such men. Because of the uniqueness of his position in relation to Jehovah, at John 1:18 (NW) Jesus is referred to as “the only-begotten god.” (See also Ro, By.) Isaiah 9:6 (RS) also prophetically describes Jesus as “Mighty God,” but not as the Almighty God. All of this is in harmony with Jesus’ being described as “a god,” or “divine,” at John 1:1 (NW, AT).
The context helps us to draw the right conclusion from this. Shortly before Jesus’ death, Thomas had heard Jesus’ prayer in which he addressed his Father as “the only true God.” (John 17:3, RS) After Jesus’ resurrection Jesus had sent a message to his apostles, including Thomas, in which he had said: “I am ascending . . . to my God and your God.” (John 20:17, RS) After recording what Thomas said when he actually saw and touched the resurrected Christ, the apostle John stated: “These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.” (John 20:31, RS) So, if anyone has concluded from Thomas’ exclamation that Jesus is himself “the only true God” or that Jesus is a Trinitarian “God the Son,” he needs to look again at what Jesus himself said (vs. 17) and at the conclusion that is clearly stated by the apostle John (vs. 31).

As I was saying.... People, run away from jehova wickedness. You have been warned.

Let me share some of their dumb doctrines with you.

1) They are not allowed to marry non-jehova witnesses. Any member that marries an outsider will likely be ostracised and discriminated.

2) Any member that breaks their rules will be ostracised! Yes, no one will be allowed to talk to such member for a long time. Speak to such outcast member and you stand the risk of being outcast too

3) A televised broadcast information must not be shared with outsiders

4) They have a group of church elders in each of their branches that sit upon disciplinary cases.

5) They have an assasin-like group of youths that are ready to go to any lenght, even if it means hurting you, just to keep their secrets secret. What this means is, if they see that you have evidence of information that can tarnish their church image, they will bring you down! God help you if you have no strong security backing.

Is this not the same thing that cults do?

gasgenius:

In John 8:58, Jesus tells the Pharisees, "Before Abraham was, I am."
He claimed to be the "I AM" of Exodus 3:14, which is God Almighty.

See as this one dey turn bible upside down , ogbeni ... The I AM of exodus 3:14,15 identify himself as the God Of Abraham, Isaac , Jacob , are you telling me that Jesus is the God of Abraham , Isaac And Jacob ?

bettermike:
As I was saying.... People, run away from jehova wickedness. You have been warned.

Let me share some of their dumb doctrines with you.

1) They are not allowed to marry non-jehova witnesses. Any member that marries an outsider will likely be ostracised and discriminated.

2) Any member that breaks their rules will be ostracised! Yes, no one will be allowed to talk to such member for a long time. Speak to such outcast member and you stand the risk of being outcast too

3) A televised broadcast information must not be shared with outsiders

4) They have a group of church elders in each of their branches that sit upon disciplinary cases.

5) They have an assasin-like group of youths that are ready to go to any lenght, even if it means hurting you, just to keep their secrets secret. What this means is, if they see that you have evidence of information that can tarnish their church image, they will bring you down! God help you if you have no strong security backing.

Is this not the same thing that cults do?

More to come

gasgenius:
The Jehovah's Witness organization has produced its own bogus version of the Bible. This version is called the New World Translation. It contains deliberate changes to many verses of Scripture. These changes try to hide the fact that Jehovah's Witness teaching is unbiblical and false.
A Comparison of the Bible an

Can you give an example of some of the changes they made ? We will examine it together here.

thump up.............................................................................................una sabi bible

MVLOX:


check well please .....we believe in Hell but not Hell fire

That is just some dumb as shii there my nigga. After so many statements like "and cast them into the lake that burns forever"

All you used to debunk hell was a single verse by a man who was on an empty island and could have been delirious from the torment. The statement that 'hell was thrown into the lake of fire"

Which proves ur stupidity because hell was said to be thrown into a fire not hell fire into a fire.

And don't call me shitty because u made a distinction btwn hell and hell fire.

alexis:


Satan was referred to as "a god". The emphasis is "a god". The Bible calls us "gods" - Psalm 82:6. You and I know that is not the context of the verse in Hebrew - here is God the father addressing Jesus as God "with a capital G".

Hebrews 1:8: "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom".

The question again is why would God Almighty call Jesus God?

I have another question. Thomas in the Bible called Jesus "My Lord and My God". Why would Thomas who was a believing Jew equate Jesus with God Almighty?

Jehovah called Jesus God?
And you are so sure its him saying it?

Thomas called Jesus My God and My Lord because to Thomas Jesus deserves that much.



You are right he said to his Son,God is your throne. And in your mind it means Jesus is God?

dolphinheart

The word was [b]with God, the word was also that same God? [/b]

It says "And the Word was God".

That above was inserted into the translations, it is not in most manuscripts. Its a false/wrong translation, that is why most translations dnt put what you quoted in there versions.

Which manuscript is it in and which is it not in? Or which manuscripts is it not in and which is it in?

And the next verse (verse 9)continues the word of the father: you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God has set above your companions[/b]by anointing you with the oil of joy.
The father is the [b]God of jesus therefore jesus is not the almighty God.

Hebrews 1:8-9: Is lifted from Psalm 45:6-7: It's a reference to the deity of Jesus Christ as God and His superiority over other beings. I am not claiming Jesus is Almighty God as I would claim that I and my father are the same. I am claiming He is God in that He commands worship and He can forgive sins. Only God holds that position and no one else

To my point - Thomas after seeing the resurrected Jesus said - My Lord and my God. Thomas was a jew and knew that there was only one true God yet He called Jesus God.

So, I think people get it twisted when we say Jesus is God. God exists in more than one form at the same time.

pappy2000:
Jw girl is so much in love with me, she pleaded with me that I should change to Jw which I bluntly refused she said I should change to Jw for a moment then I can change later, I was planning of secretly leaving her, is it that God is telling me something to marry her

see my dear 'two wrong don't make a right' she's wrong to even date you. Come to think of what will be the foundation of your relationship. You both can never deceive God. My advice!

Christmasdon:
.where is catholic there'

My denomination is Baptist but even that didn't make it up there. I don't rate Catholics like that. I respect their institution for being nice custodian of the faith though over several centuries and that's that. That's just me tho.

[quote author=promzyugo post=39814295][/quote]

Mr man, if everybody will go to heaven - what about the promise of a " new earth " at 2pet 3:13 , na lie ?

What about psalm 37: 9-11 , that one too na lie ?

What about Jesus statement at matthew 5:5 , na joke ?


Your pastors has led you astray

Wumipaul:

see my dear 'two wrong don't make a right' she's wrong to even date you. Come to think of what will be the foundation of your relationship. You both can never deceive God. My advice!

Exactly.

Sarang:


Jehovah called Jesus God?
And you are so sure its him saying it?

Thomas called Jesus My God and My Lord because to Thomas Jesus deserves that much.

You are right he said to his Son,God is your throne. And in your mind it means Jesus is God?

This is not me saying it - This is the Bible saying it? You can't pick and choose what you want to believe. It's either God said it or He didn't. It's either Thomas said it or he didn't. The question is - how do you reconcile it?

[quote author=bluraygraphix post=39813897] I like the theme, so how are you people going to imitate him? I hope it's not just his physical character like preaching but living according to God's word serving him in truth and in spirit.

olubankemi:


@poster, kindly answer why you people don't donate or accept blood transfusion. I lost a colleague in September because she failed to allow blood to be transfuse to her when she lost blood during child birth. Her husband the same JW I learnt was involved in extra marital affairs and don't take care of her.

She is dead and gone, this man will continue his women affairs ministry and maybe her children may suffer for her decision not to allow blood to be transfuse into her.

Throw more light in this. I believe your women are at the receiving end in this. Saving life should be you people believe too.

Well accepting of Blood by any person or not accepting of Blood is a personal decision.
But let me take u to a coaster ride in d bible starting from the creation of man. God after creating Adam gave him the instruction to eat evry fruits and vegetables only but later it was after the flood of Noah's day that God gave Noah to eat animals for it to serve as food but he told noah an exception(Read Genesis 9:4)from the Holy book. He told noah that he ought not to eat Blood. U may ask why? God the creator of life well knew that the life of a flesh is in its blood(Read Leviticus 17:10,11,14) that was why he also gave the Israelites that command to abstain from Blood. The israelites when they have to kill any animal will make sure that they allow the blood of the animals to be out properly. They ought not to eat animals that are strangled. Some may reason, the command to abstain from Blood is only found in the Old testaments of the Holy book(BiBlE) but that is not the truth. During the days of the Apostles, there was a decision taken by the apostles of Jesus christ after prayerful consultations of other parts of the scriptures and was then later conveyed to the Brethrens by paul and barnabbas found in(Read Acts of Apostles 15:29) from the Holy book. There,the brethrens were told to abstain from a number of things and such things includes things strangled and also from BLOOD,that if they do,they will have good health and prosper. But one might rationalize that it can't be possible to eat raw blood, but think of these illustration- Suppose a doctor told u never to drink Alchohol, Would u say that since u re told not to Drink Alcohol but u now go ahead to transfuse it through ur veins? Have u not drank alcohol? Yes u hv done dat. Also most persons that are very weak and can't eat can be given food supplement via their veins or stiil yet given drip. So the command to abstain from Blood involves abstaining from it either taking it Raw or through transfusion. As Jehovah's witnesses, we also value our health more than others do, we totally and conscienciously reject blood transfusion and we also don't accept the four major components of blood. We Jehovah's witnesses have alternatives to blood transfusion and such alternatives has worked completely in most of our patients. We simply approach the Doctors who treat our patients and supply him with informations about such alternatives. In most foreign countries, many Doctors have been performing bloodless surgery and have indeed accepted the benefits of doing that becoz u are not prone to the risk of contacting any viral disease or still yet other health risk associated with Blood transfusion.

Above all, blood is a sacred thing and whenwhen Blood was used in animal sacrifices in the Israelites time did foreshadow the Blood that Jesus christ will shed on behalf of all makind for the redemption of their sins. Thanks for your honest question

alexis:
dolphinheart

The word was [b]with God, the word was also that same God? [/b]

It says "And the Word was God".



Which manuscript is it in and which is it not in? Or which manuscripts is it not in and which is it in?



Hebrews 1:8-9: Is lifted from Psalm 45:6-7: It's a reference to the deity of Jesus Christ as God and His superiority over other beings. I am not claiming Jesus is Almighty God as I would claim that I and my father are the same. I am claiming He is God in that He commands worship and He can forgive sins. Only God holds that position and no one else

To my point - Thomas after seeing the resurrected Jesus said - My Lord and my God. Thomas was a jew and knew that there was only one true God yet He called Jesus God.

So, I think people get it twisted when we say Jesus is God. God exists in more than one form at the same time.

so how many true God do we have?

Jessicha:




If Jesus is the only way to heaven , why did moses and David made heaven without him dying for them ?? Pls reply .



According to Jesus , who is a born again ? Where did Noah go when he died ? How did he made heaven since he is not a born again ?

Talking off point, with all due respect.

Efrankbblog:



Source:efrankb

THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE A BUNCH OF BIBLICALLY CONFUSED, ZEALOUS RELIGIOUS BIGOTS WHO TURNED VIRTUALLY ALL BIBLICAL DOCTRINES UPSIDE DOWN WITH TWISTED BIBLE QUOTATIONS LIKE ON THE ISSUE IN WHICH THEY ALLEGED THAT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WAS AN ANGEL AND CREATED!!!!!!!!!!!! SUCH STRANGE DOCTRINAL CONCOCTIONS!

alexis:


This is not me saying it - This is the Bible saying it? You can't pick and choose what you want to believe. It's either God said it or He didn't. It's either Thomas said it or he didn't. The question is - how do you reconcile it?

He said it..That He is Jesus's throne.
You wear glass?
Did you read the full verse.

Hmm

MVLOX:


Ask urself dis fine question....where did Adam and Eve go to? Where did God say dey will go too if dey die? Just like Adam and Eve unbeliever will go to Hell which is d common grave of man.

So the rich man and lazarus story is fake abi?

EVILFOREST:
I WITNESS JEHOVAH but am not a member.
I LOVE them so much because,
---Of all the CHRISTAIN denominations....
They are the MOST Enlightened, Educated, Exposed.
It is usually difficult to SPOT the Illiterates among them.

They train their KIDS to be resourceful in future
They are good at PUBLIC SPEAKING.
They dress modest.
They rarely give in, to the changes of the new age.

They study the BIBLE more than any other denomination.

Above all they have the BEST EVANGELISM network, involving both the rich and the poor. (youngest and oldest)
Their CLERGYMEN talk cautiously, unlike many others who talk back at the congregation carelessly.
Never MONEY driven nor conscious.

I always entertained them right from my CHILDHOOD and I have learnt a lot.
I just wish I can worship GOD, the way they do.
MOST times I feel ashamed as a christain when I see them.
I see them as CHRISTAIN EXTREMISTS.
they can kill for GOD.
I hope to pay them a visit soonest.

I Love them.

No we can't kill for Jehovah God but appreciate all you said about us. However, we will never tolerate any rivalry with Jehovah God

"If everybody are Jehovah witness then the police will be out of work". police head Spain !!!



"When witness host a party in your compound; they compound is neater after the party"" ... Head Health worker in Germany



"If truly Jesus existed; He will be very proud of witnesses just like wizkid Mom""..... leofab

promzyugo:
JW are just turning the bible upside down joor! JESUS CHRIST is the KING OF KINGS no man cometh unto the father GOD except by me.

We come to God through jesus, what does that make jesus, definitely not the one we need to come to cus you have to go through him to get to that one.

They claim that they will inherent the earth. Be not decieve all jehova witnesses cos this earth will be melted with fire and brimstone once the trumpet shall sound and the righteous will follow JESUS CHRIST to heaven while those that reject CHRIST will be tormented by anti christ for seven years to receive the mark of the beast which is 666 those christian that refuse the mark after that seven year will use their blood to pay for their sins and those that accepted the mark will go to hell fire with Satan till eternity so hear the word of God and turn away from your sins so that when Christ shall come we all will meet him in glory.

I pray that God will open their eyes so they will know that jesus is the son of God and believe in trinity in one God.. [/quote]
Eccl 1:4 , pslamms 78:69 : the earth will last forever.

ogahenry:


THE JEHOVAH WITNESSES ARE A BUNCH OF BIBLICALLY CONFUSED, ZEALOUS RELIGIOUS BIGOTS WHO TURNED VIRTUALLY ALL BIBLICAL DOCTRINES UPSIDE DOWN WITH TWISTED BIBLE QUOTATIONS LIKE ON THE ISSUE IN WHICH THEY ALLEGED THAT THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WAS AN ANGEL AND CREATED!!!!!!!!!!!! SUCH STRANGE DOCTRINAL CONCOCTIONS!

Jesus wasn't created?

Esdb3:


That is just some dumb as shii there my nigga. After so many statements like "and cast them into the lake that burns forever"

All you used to debunk hell was a single verse by a man who was on an empty island and could have been delirious from the torment. The statement that 'hell was thrown into the lake of fire"

Which proves ur stupidity because hell was said to be thrown into a fire not hell fire into a fire.

And don't call me shitty because u made a distinction btwn hell and hell fire.

Apostle john is delirious " @ underlined , this is coming from a so - called bible beliver .

They made heaven cause of their righteousness and faith and Jesus was yet to come and died but after his death b4 u get to heaven u must i said must believe in him or forget about heaven.

major466:
Unfortunately Jehovah's witness's core doctrine contradicts the doctrines of the bible.

you teach human traditions like Purgatory,Trinity,Immortality of d soul,Esther etc and pls make research about this topics with open mind and you will be surprise.

Nnaabros:


yes, the explanation for those verses are quite detailed, so I have to share articles that explains them. Please take time to read them. And these explanation were gotten from our,(JEHOVAHS WITNESSES) study of the Bible, and corroborated by scholars. Regarding john 20:27-29


John 20:28 (RS) reads: “Thomas answered him, ‘My Lord and my God!’”
There is no objection to referring to Jesus as “God,” if this is what Thomas had in mind. Such would be in harmony with Jesus’ own quotation from the Psalms in which powerful men, judges, were addressed as “gods.” (John 10:34, 35, RS; Ps. 82:1-6) Of course, Christ occupies a position far higher than such men. Because of the uniqueness of his position in relation to Jehovah, at John 1:18 (NW) Jesus is referred to as “the only-begotten god.” (See also Ro, By.) Isaiah 9:6 (RS) also prophetically describes Jesus as “Mighty God,” but not as the Almighty God. All of this is in harmony with Jesus’ being described as “a god,” or “divine,” at John 1:1 (NW, AT).
The context helps us to draw the right conclusion from this. Shortly before Jesus’ death, Thomas had heard Jesus’ prayer in which he addressed his Father as “the only true God.” (John 17:3, RS) After Jesus’ resurrection Jesus had sent a message to his apostles, including Thomas, in which he had said: “I am ascending . . . to my God and your God.” (John 20:17, RS) After recording what Thomas said when he actually saw and touched the resurrected Christ, the apostle John stated: “These are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in his name.” (John 20:31, RS) So, if anyone has concluded from Thomas’ exclamation that Jesus is himself “the only true God” or that Jesus is a Trinitarian “God the Son,” he needs to look again at what Jesus himself said (vs. 17) and at the conclusion that is clearly stated by the apostle John (vs. 31).

There is a big difference when the Bible refers to us as "gods" and when it refers to Jesus as "God". In the same way, I can say my daughter was the "queen" of prom night as to be saying my daughter is the 'Queen' of England.

Your text is not doing justice to what is been asked here. Clearly "god" and "God" are not the same. I find it sad that you have to refer to these opinions to explain the Bible to you.

We all know why the jews wanted to kill Jesus, because He equated himself with God. That runs throughout scripture, to claim otherwise is dishonest. John 5:18 is clear on that.

Sarang:



Well Jesus said it himself,My Father is greater than I am.
Jesus has a father and he prayed to his father to glorify him alongside the glory he had before.
I will ask you,dont you have a father? Are you your Father?

You people do not have a clue about the person of Jesus Christ. May be you people have but for the best reason known to you chose to ignore it.

Wumipaul:

so how many true God do we have?

There is only one God.

Sarang:



He said it..That He is Jesus's throne.
You wear glass?
Did you read the full verse.

Hmm

Madam, please address the points I have raised. When you start name calling, I will not engage you. All you have done is asked questions and evaded answering mine. Please do justice to the questions I have raised, I have done the same with yours