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celebrating the birthday of Christ is not a sin, only if it is not being celebrated in a worldly way!

sagieramos:
celebrating jesus birth should be right if he had asked us to do so, but now that we never recieve any instruction on that, it's either right or wrong.
we all observe what happen around and during xmas period: kidnapping, robery, ritual and all sort of evil things skyrocket.
[color=#006609]i don't think an holy being could inspire a celebration that give rise to these evil thing i mension above[/color]

your opinion is that Jesus did not command us to do so. Okay, that your personal choice. May church leaders establish special days to
celebrate the great acts of salvation? How much freedom do Christians have in the new covenant,either individually?

A practice may have originated under certain circumstances but, eventually, have lost that significance, either in whole, or at least significantly. There is Bible precedent for dealing with this principle read 1 Cor. 8:1-13

Because you love Him, you must celebrate Him anytime, anyhow, anywhere and in any generally acceptable form.

malvisguy212:
your opinion is that Jesus did not command us to do so. Okay, that your personal choice. May church leaders establish special days to
celebrate the great acts of salvation? How much freedom do Christians have in the new covenant,either individually?

A practice may have originated under certain circumstances but, eventually, have lost that significance, either in whole, or at least significantly. There is Bible precedent for dealing with this principle read 1 Cor. 8:1-13

i agreed with you for the fact that most people don't know its origin, but we're in an era were information show the truth with evidence that the ritual was initually celebrated by the people who did otherwise of god's commandment.
[color=#006660]if we continue in the celebration they ignorantly established, does that not show we take them as our mentor even if we rebranded it?[/color]
to the bible portion you mention, i will be greatful if you could kindly explain it to me. thanks.

Rilwayne001:
Oh well! But you are quick to copy and paste those alleged pagan practice in Islam?

What is the connection of this topic to Islam??
Every rational person who studies islams origins, Knows its rife with pagan practices. From the circling of the kabba, kissing blackstone , stone devil, ur love for the moon etc is all pagan superstition that mohammed incorporated to his religion.

malvisguy212:
There are many people who seems to disagree with the celebration of Christmas. Jehovah's Witnesses, teach that it is a sin to observe Christmas at all. Is it a sin to celebrate Jesus' birthday?.
Yes, Christmas is not mentioned in the
Bible. There is NO command for believers to observe or celebrate Jesus' birthday. It is a matter of PERSONAL CHOICE . I think it is acceptable to observe Christmas; or not to observe Christmas. I think it is not a sin to celebrate Christmas to a degree, anymore than it would be sinful to
celebrate the birthday of a family
member. I think it is appropriate to
celebrate the Lord's birthday for those who choose to do so.

This lead us to many questions such as :
Jesus was not born in December? What about the pagan origin? Santa clause, e.t.c
First, a person who was born on February 29 (leap year) only celebrate his birthday after 4 years, is it sinful to chose another day to celebrate it ? I personally do not think so. Likewise, I see no harm in celebrating Jesus'
birthday on December 25th,even if His actual birthday rests in a different month and date.I think it is a wonderful thing to celebrate the birth of the Savior, God's gift to mankind.

Doesent Christmas has pagan origin ? So does the names of the week, if your birthday fall in Saturday (Saturn) will you celebrate it as a devoted christian because Saturn is one of the pagan gods? The truth is that Christians today
celebrate the holiday in an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT MANNER. There are many wonderful Gospel hymns which have been written to worship Jesus at Christmas time; such as, Silent Night, Hark The Herald Angels Sing, Oh Little Town Of Bethlehem, Joy To The World. I think it would be a mistake to overlook
Christmas entirely, and miss out on the opportunity to witness to the lost during the emotional Christmas season. Many hearts have been turned to the Lord during the Christmas holiday , is it sinful to present track to the lost ?No evidence exists that the Christian leaders who began this practice consciously wanted to compromise with
paganism.

In conclusion, there are two ways in celebrating Christmas;
Conclusion
1. The Worldly Way :
Santa Claus, the north pole, elves, , secular songs about Christmas, booze, parties, Rock music,et cetera.
2. The Christian Way:
Jesus Christ, Christmas carols, soulwinning, a nativity scene, helping the poor in Jesus' name, et cetera.

Romans 14:5-6
One man regards one day above
another, another regards every day
alike. LET EACH MAN BE FULLY CONVINCED IN HIS OWN MIND . HE WHO OBSERVES THE DAY OBSERVES IT FOR THE LORD , and he who eats, does so for the Lord, FOR HE GIVES THANKS TO GOD ; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and GIVES THANKS TO GOD .

HAPPY CHRISTMAS.

Merry Christmas buddy.. This is front page worth. lalasticlala OAM4J take note.

Brilliant write up and analysis as usual.

There are several things we do today that evolved from pagan civilization besides the days of the week ; including the Hindu-Arabic numerals aka our numbering system. I wonder if the overzealous deeper lifers and jh know this.

Christmas is a day set aside to celebrate christ's birth. A huge surge in charity donations and selfless services happen on this day. A happy period celebrated by billions and a lot of parents get to see their children(with their grand kids) who have been away all year making a living.


Yet some ignorant people come out to say its a sin to celebrate it.

malvisguy212:
I don't want to argued with you muslims, but you keep on quoting me. The hadith say We use to considered going around the mountain till islam CAME.

It's better you move on...
Ibrahim ( Abraham) was commanded by God to leave his wife Hajar ( Hagar ) and their infant son alone in the desert between Al-Safa and Al-Marwah with only
basic provisions to test their faith. When their provisions were exhausted, Hagar went in search of help or water. To make her search easier and faster, she went alone, leaving the infant Ismail ( Ishmael) on the ground.
She first climbed the nearest hill, Al-Safa, to
look over the surrounding area. When she saw
nothing, she then went to the other hill, Al-
Marwah, to look around. While Hagar was on
either hillside, she was able to see Ismael and
know he was safe. However, when she was in
the valley between the hills she was unable to
see her son, and would thus run whilst in the
valley and walk at a normal pace when on the
hillsides. Hagar travelled back and forth
between the hills seven times in the scorching
heat before returning to her son. When she
arrived, she found that a spring had broken
forth from where the Angel Jibreel hit the
ground with his wing. This spring is now
known as the Zamzam Well , and was revealed
by the angel of God as both sustenance and a
reward for Hagar's patience....So what if pagans do it later on

parisbookaddict:
Merry Christmas buddy.. This is front page worth. lalasticlala OAM4J take note.

Brilliant write up and analysis as usual.

There are several things we do today that evolved from pagan civilization besides the days of the week ; including the Hindu-Arabic numerals aka our numbering system. I wonder if the overzealous deeper lifers and jh know this.

Christmas is a day set aside to celebrate christ's birth. A huge surge in charity donations and selfless services happen on this day. A happy period celebrated by billions and a lot of parents get to see their children(with their grand kids) who have been away all year making a living.


Yet some ignorant people come out to say its a sin to celebrate it.

At bold, Is there any religious practise or rites or observance that comes from the things you mentioned above.?

malvisguy212:
Thank you for your wonderful contribution. Yes, God hate lies, but the bible did not mention the day Jesus was born, chosen December 25 to celebrate Jesus does not mean "its a lie" it is just choice.

Christians Lerders who first celebrate Christmas never compromise it with
paganism, They may simply have wanted to celebrate the birth of Jesus. However, modern scholars generally agree that the date they chose for Christmas was influenced by a pagan celebration on or about that same date honoring the “Invincible Sun.”

How much freedom do Christians have in the new covenant,either individually or as a church, to express their faith, worship and thanks toward Christ in forms not found in the Bible? May church leaders establish special days to celebrate the great acts of salvation? “Once pagan, always pagan” is the way
some people reason.

Malachi 4:2
2 But for you who revere my name,the
sun of righteousness will rise with
healing in its rays. And you will go out
and frolics like well-fed calves.

Christians who keep Christmas are not pagans. They do not worship nor regard pagan gods. They honor Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. It is true that certain customs attached to December 25 are practiced in a pagan spirit by many people. But a truly Christian observance of Christmas does not include drunkenness, fornication,carousing or any other conduct unworthy of saints. After all the entrance of Jesus into the world cause a GREAT JOY OF CELEBRATION IN HEAVEN in Luke 1:46–2:38.

Word! It is more of what it represents to the celebrant than how it came about. This is my opinion though.

falopey:
Brother, let us stop being hypocritical here. The bible has made it clear in Rm 14:5-6 when new christian converts among the jews and the gentiles were arguing on what celebration to observe and what not to observe. Some converts that were of jewish origin were still attached to some jewish celebrations like the feast of unleaven bread and so on while those of greek origin or gentiles did not know anything about such celebrations.

Some thought they should not celebrate while some thought maybe they should celebrate something else. The jewish christians among them still held fast to sabath while some of the gentile christians never even practised sabath before because they were not of jewish tradition or origin. They were idolaters before their conversion.

the argumentbof whether to observe some celebrations or discard some celebrations ensued between them. That why paul told them that whether the scripture say you should observe some days or notis not the question.

Hence the Romans 14:5-6
One man regards one day above
another, another regards every day
alike. LET EACH MAN BE FULLY CONVINCED IN HIS OWN MIND . HE WHO OBSERVES THE DAY OBSERVES IT FOR THE LORD , and he who eats, does so for the Lord, FOR HE GIVES THANKS TO GOD ; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and GIVES THANKS TO GOD .

A lot of things we do are not ordered by the bible, but we alow the holy spirit to guide us to know if we are committing sin doing it or not. For example: we build places of whorship today when Jesus did not even build one or order his deciples to do the same. christians in those days were found of whorshipping in brethren house.

We celebrate naming ceremony today. we eat and merry with neighbours and loved ones. does the bible order that kind of celebration? None of the biblical christians did the same.

Celebrating this anniversary and that anniversary in the church. where do christian celebrate whatever anniversary in the bible? And to you all these are not sins. But celebrating the birth of Jesus.

Everybody celebrate the transition unto glory of their aged. please give me an example of a place where funneral ceremony is celebrated in the bible. and to you its worth it. except celebrating the birth of the lord.

Jesus told the desciples that the holy spirit would teach them in many things. in that case Jesus directly or indirectly admit to them that he could not teach them everything they had to know until he would be received into heaven.

While we should be giving God thanks everyday, in churches today, we dedicate a special sunday as thanks giving sunday. please where was that practiced in the bible? But we know what is right and that is unto the glory of god and we do it. but to appreciate the birth of Jesus christ by celebrating it is a sin to you because bible does not say so.

we go to church on sunday. Where is that written in the bible. even that same Romans 14:5-6 has settle the issue of Sabbath worship.

Why do you celebrate new year celebration? is it because the bible tells you to do it or any of the apostles celebrated it?

I can go on and on but I will leave the rest to you to think on so many things you do that bible does not order to do. And that are not sins anyway.

Q.E.D!

CAPTIVATOR:
Dont bring christmas here pls !!!
The days in Romans 14:5,6 Are Actually The Jewish Celebrations COMMANDED BY GOD before Christ Came, am happy you indicate that at bold ..... Is christmas commanded by God Or a Man - Made command ?


But we found in the scipture that God APPRECIATES building a house specifically for his worship ? ( 2 chronicles 6:8 ) contrary to christmas/birthday celebration that has no basis in the scripture



You are right!!! The bible did not order naming ceremony , i wonder why people do it ? Its unscriptural like its friend Christmas .



Yes ! Its Another Hole in christendom .



Swallow the undelined , funeral ceremonies are not biblical ; dancin with a casket , putting money in the casket of a dead man e.t.c and some other paganic custom associated with funerals are all pure dillusion like christmas



But yet the apostles did not celebrate Jesus Birthday ... !



Who Asked you to dedicate a special sunday as thanksgving ... Uh ? Thats funny



Heb 10:24,25 said true christians must regularly meet together , I enjoyed a weekly routine of bible study not just sunday alone . Many chose sunday to OBEY HEB 10:24,25 BECAUSE IT A DAY OFF FROM WORK , whereas christmas has no basis in the scripture .



New year celebration is unbiblical nd paganic like its fellow christmas .

while i wouldnt have loved to argue further with you. I would like to chip in with this. every scripture is a template to address things that were, are and still to come. So dont tell me that Rm 14:5 doesnt apply to christmas. in other words, you can as well saidv that the word of God is for only the Israelite since God addressed them and their situations directly and no mention of other races in many ways. in fact i would like you to read the whole of Rm 14 and learn more.

1 John 3:21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God

Rom 14:22 Do you have a conviction? Keep it to yourself before God. The man who does not condemn himself by what he approves is blessed. (that is when you do it unto the glory of God without committing sins doing it) But if you thing otherwise, it is a sin to you if you do it.
So if you do not celebrate christmas, its all well and good. No sin in that and no sin in celebrating it for people who do it in holiness and righteousness.

If you can quote the old testament for me to support you argument. Of course you should be ready to abide by all the statutes of God as commanded in the old testament and celebrate all the celebrations ordained there. Jesus did not build a house and call it church.

Yes funnerals are not biblical. but you are not going to bury your aged like a chicken because thats the way they do funneral in the bible. no church service. no entertainment of the guests. Not talking of those funneral frivolities you were talking about. If you at any time in your live do any of these, that means you are an hypocrite. Non of those happened in the bible.

If Jesus had not been invited by that guy to the marriage ceremony at canal in galile, people like you would have said that marriage ceremony is a sin just like you kicked against naming ceremony. what is the difference? god gives me a new wife, i celebrate: and god gives me a new child from the wedding, i celebrate naming him. but you are saying it is wrong, abi?

behold old things are passed away, and become new. If you say that Christmas has a pagan origin. Well it is all hear say. We were not there. As some unscrupulous people are kicking against the true biography of Jesus bringing some fabble instead, so that origin of christmas is arguable. A christian king in ekiti state stopped idolatory and replace it with revival and prayer. People of your kind in the future will discourage people tha that revival and prayer has pagan origin and that they should not attend. what is wong in replacing evil with good?

tell me that i am comitting sin celebrating new year. Greatest evangelist of our time celebrated these festivals we are talknig aout and i beleive that God does not speak to you more than them. reinhard bonnke, ayodele babalola, Kartyrn Khumay, Akindayomi of Redeem, Obadare, Abiara, Founder of Apostolic Faith, etc. you are not holier than these people and many more

too much hypocrisy for you there. Leave christmas alone for people celebrating it while you stay clear of celebrating it since it is against your conscience. If you do celebrate against your conscience, to you and to you alone it is a sin.

4C2215131:
Word! It is more of what it represents to the celebrant than how it came about. This is my opinion though.

your opinion is good, thank you.

falopey:
while i wouldnt have loved to argue further with you. I would like to chip in with this. every scripture is a template to address things that were, are and still to come. So dont tell me that Rm 14:5 doesnt apply to christmas. in other words, you can as well saidv that the word of God is for only the Israelite since God addressed them and their situations directly and no mention of other races in many ways. in fact i would like you to read the whole of Rm 14 and learn more.

1 John 3:21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God

Rom 14:22 Do you have a conviction? Keep it to yourself before God. The man who does not condemn himself by what he approves is blessed. (that is when you do it unto the glory of God without committing sins doing it) But if you thing otherwise, it is a sin to you if you do it.
So if you do not celebrate christmas, its all well and good. No sin in that and no sin in celebrating it for people who do it in holiness and righteousness.

If you can quote the old testament for me to support you argument. Of course you should be ready to abide by all the statutes of God as commanded in the old testament and celebrate all the celebrations ordained there. Jesus did not build a house and call it church.

Yes funnerals are not biblical. but you are not going to bury your aged like a chicken because thats the way they do funneral in the bible. no church service. no entertainment of the guests. Not talking of those funneral frivolities you were talking about. If you at any time in your live do any of these, that means you are an hypocrite. Non of those happened in the bible.

If Jesus had not been invited by that guy to the marriage ceremony at canal in galile, people like you would have said that marriage ceremony is a sin just like you kicked against naming ceremony. what is the difference? god gives me a new wife, i celebrate: and god gives me a new child from the wedding, i celebrate naming him. but you are saying it is wrong, abi?

behold old things are passed away, and become new. If you say that Christmas has a pagan origin. Well it is all hear say. We were not there. As some unscrupulous people are kicking against the true biography of Jesus bringing some fabble instead, so that origin of christmas is arguable. A christian king in ekiti state stopped idolatory and replace it with revival and prayer. People of your kind in the future will discourage people tha that revival and prayer has pagan origin and that they should not attend. what is wong in replacing evil with good?

tell me that i am comitting sin celebrating new year. Greatest evangelist of our time celebrated these festivals we are talknig aout and i beleive that God does not speak to you more than them. reinhard bonnke, ayodele babalola, Kartyrn Khumay, Akindayomi of Redeem, Obadare, Abiara, Founder of Apostolic Faith, etc. you are not holier than these people and many more

too much hypocrisy for you there. Leave christmas alone for people celebrating it while you stay clear of celebrating it since it is against your conscience. If you do celebrate against your conscience, to you and to you alone it is a sin.

wow, brother God bless you. I love this.

falopey:
while i wouldnt have loved to argue further with you. I would like to chip in with this. every scripture is a template to address things that were, are and still to come. So dont tell me that Rm 14:5 doesnt apply to christmas. in other words, you can as well saidv that the word of God is for only the Israelite since God addressed them and their situations directly and no mention of other races in many ways. in fact i would like you to read the whole of Rm 14 and learn more.

1 John 3:21 Beloved, if our heart does not condemn us, we have confidence before God

Rom 14:22 Do you have a conviction? Keep it to yourself before God. The man who does not condemn himself by what he approves is blessed. (that is when you do it unto the glory of God without committing sins doing it) But if you thing otherwise, it is a sin to you if you do it.
So if you do not celebrate christmas, its all well and good. No sin in that and no sin in celebrating it for people who do it in holiness and righteousness.

If you can quote the old testament for me to support you argument. Of course you should be ready to abide by all the statutes of God as commanded in the old testament and celebrate all the celebrations ordained there. Jesus did not build a house and call it church.

Yes funnerals are not biblical. but you are not going to bury your aged like a chicken because thats the way they do funneral in the bible. no church service. no entertainment of the guests. Not talking of those funneral frivolities you were talking about. If you at any time in your live do any of these, that means you are an hypocrite. Non of those happened in the bible.

If Jesus had not been invited by that guy to the marriage ceremony at canal in galile, people like you would have said that marriage ceremony is a sin just like you kicked against naming ceremony. what is the difference? god gives me a new wife, i celebrate: and god gives me a new child from the wedding, i celebrate naming him. but you are saying it is wrong, abi?

behold old things are passed away, and become new. If you say that Christmas has a pagan origin. Well it is all hear say. We were not there. As some unscrupulous people are kicking against the true biography of Jesus bringing some fabble instead, so that origin of christmas is arguable. A christian king in ekiti state stopped idolatory and replace it with revival and prayer. People of your kind in the future will discourage people tha that revival and prayer has pagan origin and that they should not attend. what is wong in replacing evil with good?

tell me that i am comitting sin celebrating new year. Greatest evangelist of our time celebrated these festivals we are talknig aout and i beleive that God does not speak to you more than them. reinhard bonnke, ayodele babalola, Kartyrn Khumay, Akindayomi of Redeem, Obadare, Abiara, Founder of Apostolic Faith, etc. you are not holier than these people and many more

too much hypocrisy for you there. Leave christmas alone for people celebrating it while you stay clear of celebrating it since it is against your conscience. If you do celebrate against your conscience, to you and to you alone it is a sin.

read 1 Corinthians 8:4–13 Paul clarified the issue of food offer by idol, he say eating meat offered to an idol is not immoral, because “an idol is nothing at all.” An idol is an inanimate object. “Food,” he says, “does not bring us near to God; we are no worse if we do not eat, and no better if we do.” remain bless.

@ falopey


Show me how roman 14:5,6 support christmas ?

The DAYS are Jewish celebrations commanded by God ? A simple yes or no is required

dolphinheart:
At bold, Is there any religious practise or rites or observance that comes from the things you mentioned above.?

Exactly What I wanted to ask from the fans of December 25 rice and chicke.n .

STAMPandSEAL:
celebrating the birthday of Christ is not a sin, only if it is being celebrated in a worldly way!

Brother , the early christians did not celebrate birthdays . The World Book Encyclopedia says that : " they considered the celebration of anyone's birth to be a pagan custom " .

Its funny how people justify the christmass celebration.
1. You are celebrating an occassion without prior instruction to do so. You feel you could do so cus its for someone important in the Christian world and you have a right to choose a day for it.
2. Instead of even trying to get a date close to the actual event, you choose a date far off the mark.
3. The date choseen is not only far off the mark, it goes against all scriptural markers for that period in which the event occurred.
4. To make matters worse, that date is previously been used for the same type of celebration even though it was for a false God.
5. To make matters even more worse, the practise, process ways at which you do this celebration is same or similar to that of the pagan God.

As you did ojoro for the pagan God to snatch its own celebration under its nose, the pagan God is now doing ojoro to snatch his celebration back. You can see that from the debauchery and festivities associated with christmass. And also the reasons why most people do any bad thing throughout the year just to be able to celebrate it with parties and merriment.

Christmass is a perfect example of Christian association with paganism. The modification of pagan ideas to make it look good in the eyes of God. God sees through all these.

God wants to protect his servants, but the servants too must be willing to abide by Gods directives. The creations of a religious practise and belief devoid of scriptural guidance will only allow Satan a chance to make us do the wrong things.

If you think you are smarter than the devil and try to create a celebration out of his own celebration, the result is what we see today in the world.

Jozzy4:
Brother , the early christians did not celebrate birthdays . The World Book Encyclopedia says that : " they considered the celebration of anyone's birth to be a pagan custom " .

Early Christians were human beings. Was it because Jesus said so or because of their personal opinion about it. Even Paul gave his personal opinions on issues and still issue a disclaimer that it's not God that said so. That's it's what he just thought to be ok. We play musical instruments in churches today. The same early Christians considered it then as paganism.

dolphinheart:
At bold, Is there any religious practise or rites or observance that comes from the things you mentioned above.?

What about the use of musical instruments. Be it for personal use or church use. It's use was associated with paganism. Pagans were the first to use musical instruments. Early Christians avoided it. Some churches today use only their clapping because of that, for example, Church of Christ.

business4all:
What about the use of musical instruments. Be it for personal use or church use. It's use was associated with paganism. Pagans were the first to use musical instruments. Early Christians avoided it. Some churches today use only their clapping because of that, for example, Church of Christ.

1. If you read the scriptures, you would have seen that different musical instruments was used by servants of jehovah. Both on earth and in heaven.

though its use is not the same as its used by most churches today.

2. Can you tell me how you came about this statement "early christians avoided it"?

3. I dnt know about how church of Christ compose and sing their songs of praise.

dolphinheart:
At bold, Is there any religious practise or rites or observance that comes from the things you mentioned above.?

concerning Food sacrifice to idol, how did Paul solve this issue ? 1 Cor. 8:1-13.

Christmas is unbiblical. It is pagan. It's unchristian. Even secular history testifies to that fact.
It's a matter of choice either to celebrate or not just as it's a matter of choice either to do wrong or right.

malvisguy212:
concerning Food sacrifice to idol, how did Paul solve this issue ? 1 Cor. 8:1-13.

1. I do not see the correlation between your question , the topic and my post.

2. Paul is encouraging us to give consideration to those who might be stumbled by our actions, even though our actions are not wrong, for example, eating of food sacrificed to idols.

dolphinheart:
1. I do not see the correlation between your question , the topic and my post.

2. Paul is encouraging us to give consideration to those who might be stumbled by our actions, even though our actions are not wrong, for example, eating of food sacrificed to idols.

in 1 Cor. 8:1-13 Paul is teaching the church about meat sacrifice to idol, what Paul is saying is that a christian have PERFECT freedom over everything God had created, a christian who eat meat sacrifice to idol knowingly or unknowingly, is not a sin why ? Because the idol is NOTHING to him, and his conscience is not offended. the truth is that, the wood and bronze use to create those pagan gods were ALL made by GOD. This object mean nothing to a true christian.

dolphinheart:
1. If you read the scriptures, you would have seen that different musical instruments was used by servants of jehovah. Both on earth and in heaven.

though its use is not the same as its used by most churches today.

2. Can you tell me how you came about this statement "early christians avoided it"?

3. I dnt know about how church of Christ compose and sing their songs of praise.

yes they were used in the old testament. Pagans used musical instruments first before God talked about it. Study your bible well. So it has pagan origin. Even many old testament practices including some ordained by God Himself were not practicable in the new testament. Or have you even seen Jesus praised God with music or acknowledged musical instruments? Or the apostles too? Apostles didn't authorize it.

Mind you. I am not saying musical instruments are sins. But it was used for idolatry first in the bible. The question of pagan origin is not the issue. What the issue is, is what you make of that now.

malvisguy212:
in 1 Cor. 8:1-13 Paul is teaching the church about meat sacrifice to idol, what Paul is saying is that a christian have PERFECT freedom over everything God had created, a christian who eat meat sacrifice to idol knowingly or unknowingly, is not a sin why ? Because the idol is NOTHING to him, and his conscience is not offended. the truth is that, the wood and bronze use to create those pagan gods were ALL made by GOD. This object mean nothing to a true christian.

@ first bold, how did you come about that reading 1 cor 8: 1-13

Paul was teaching about conscience and the stumbling of weak christians by the strong ones.

@ second bold. If you read the verses you will note that paul said not all have the knowledge and thus have a different view on eating meat sacrificed to idols. You who has the full knowledge of these idols should guide against ur actions and not confuse these weak ones.
Those weak ones might go and follow you to eat this meat out of inacurate knowledge, they might feel its right to eat the meat while still feeling the idols as significant.
Do not stumble others,expecially the weak ones cus we have a better knowledge of things and thus feel its right to do them.
You sin when you stumble others.
that's what paul is trying to tell us
3rd bold, you seem to forget that the reason that jehovah purnished and condemed idol worship is not because of the source or type of material used in making the idol, but because of what the idol is being used for.

The use of these images means something cus it challenges the supreme authority of God, the right to our worship as creator and supreme being.

business4all:
yes they were used in the old testament. Pagans used musical instruments first before God talked about it. Study your bible well. So it has pagan origin. Even many old testament practices including some ordained by God Himself were not practicable in the new testament. Or have you even seen Jesus praised God with music or acknowledged musical instruments? Or the apostles too? Apostles didn't authorize it.

Mind you. I am not saying musical instruments are sins. But it was used for idolatry first in the bible. The question of pagan origin is not the issue. What the issue is, is what you make of that now.

You seem to be putting different things into the same basket, and they are
1. What pagans can do in their everyday life.
2. The customs or practise of pagans when it comes to worshipping their Gods.
3. Gods approved practises when it comes to praise and worship.

I will discuss the use of the origin of musical instruments when you quote the scriptures that makes you feel it has pagan origin.

I will also discuss the use of musical instrument by christians after the first part has been addressed by you.

dolphinheart:
Its funny how people justify the christmass celebration.
1. You are celebrating an occassion without prior instruction to do so. You feel you could do so cus its for someone important in the Christian world and you have a right to choose a day for it.
2. Instead of even trying to get a date close to the actual event, you choose a date far off the mark.
3. The date choseen is not only far off the mark, it goes against all scriptural markers for that period in which the event occurred.
4. To make matters worse, that date is previously been used for the same type of celebration even though it was for a false God.
5. To make matters even more worse, the practise, process ways at which you do this celebration is same or similar to that of the pagan God.

As you did ojoro for the pagan God to snatch its own celebration under its nose, the pagan God is now doing ojoro to snatch his celebration back. You can see that from the debauchery and festivities associated with christmass. And also the reasons why most people do any bad thing throughout the year just to be able to celebrate it with parties and merriment.

Christmass is a perfect example of Christian association with paganism. The modification of pagan ideas to make it look good in the eyes of God. God sees through all these.

Brother, you're virtually crying more than the bereaved. One man celebrates Jesus everyday, another picks a day/season to celebrate Him. Let them be. The issue is not why Christ died or what He called us to/for.

Christmas is not of God and it not in the bible neither was it recorded his disciples celebrate it even no holiday was recorded. Jesus only commanded Holy communion and He said if ye love me keep my commandment John 14:15 so why create what is not in the bible?

Charlesdock:
Christmas is not of God and it not in the bible neither was it recorded his disciples celebrate it even no holiday was recorded. Jesus only commanded Holy communion and He said if ye love me keep my commandment John 14:15 so why create what is not in the bible?

should a christian chose a day to celebrate the soul winning, because it not in the bible and Jesus did command us to do it , will you call it sin ? Have you not read in colossian 3:17 which say:

"And whatever you do,whether in WORD
OR DEED, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, GIVING THANKS TO GOD the Father through him."

You praise God in your tribal language, you celebrate His holy name, is it a sin ?
How much freedom a christian have outside the bible ?