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Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by plaetton: 11:41am On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: There is no mention of Jesus in the annals of Jewish history. If Jesus had existed, even as a rebel, amongst them, no doubt he would have featured prominently in their culture and religious literature. If the majority of Jews don't believe in this saviour, son of god crap, then why do the majority of Africans, including you , do ? That's why I asked, are YOU, Nigerian Christians , privy to something that the majority of the Jewish people all over the world are oblivious to ? Pls try and answer. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by hahn(m): 12:02pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: Lol. Dem don bobo you. Do you mind giving evidence to back your claim? |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 12:53pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
plaetton:lol... I see your point, are only delighted in mocking. Am not delighted in mocking you, as a matter of fact I don't care if you mock me or my faith and make a folly and rip me apart, I don't care bro. I only care that you know that these things are true, I have a whistle blower that tells me you know these things.... yet. You see the bible wasn't mistaken when it says a lot of things it said about those that will twist the truth and promote self acclaimed wisdom and intelect, we have seen them and so am not surprised at all. Honestly I can't go and argue with you because you already have a prejudiced judgement on these things which you won't just give up easily. You will only take up anything I say and twist it. As for the illustration I gave you with radio signal, which you twisted and started asking if God is a radio signal, that was simply more using a human case scenario to make you think that if such is obtainable in our own capacity, Nugent how much more God. As for the receiver, yes we a receiver that we user to communicate with him, and that's God's word as contained in the bible. I know you don't believe in that also, so don't try to let me know that aii. There are so many things about God that even I myself can't decipher, not in my lifetime. But I know he exists because I see his glory all around me, from the tiniest of ants to the firmament, to the universe in general. It could only take an intelligent being somewhere to have carefully created all these things each with its unique characters. He is alive bro. Hope ya day is moving on fine? 5 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 1:02pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
hahn:Apart from the bible, ancient histological books attests to that. Google king Nero and the reports on the ancient Roman empire and how they torment the followers of Christ. 1 Like |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by hahn(m): 1:07pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: Ok. Thanks. I'll google it up. I'd advice you google up "the spanish inquisition" and "the crusades" to read up how the followers of Christ tormented, killed , raped, enslaved and murdered Jews, Muslims and other "non-believers" on behalf of the god you serve. 3 Likes |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by plaetton: 1:11pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: You don't get it dude. In my language, they would say that you just cooked a good soup, but then you covered it with dirty cloth. Your faith is yours., but your faith is not truth, and could possibly be the furthest thing from truth. That is the main reason you call it faith. Faith is like building a closet around yourself ,and then demanding that everyone must come and live in it with you. "My bible.., my bible,..". What you actually mean is my Bible.., my Babble. Your Bible is simply your own Babble. When christians painfully come to this realization, then our job here would be done. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 1:11pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
plaetton:Sir, Jesus didn't come to exist in the literature of the Jews s and their hypocritical culture, he came to show them the way to his father in heaven. didn't you see that in what I said before? Sir not only Africans believe in him, Americans do, Asians do, Europeans do. Christianity is not an African religion only. So stop trying to use the mentality that Africans gullible to believe what some reprobate Jews objected. What will say about the other people in the world that believe in him based on this your shortsighted perspective sir?? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 1:13pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
plaetton:Where is your hope sir? In who? |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by menesheh(m): 1:16pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: No amount of believe makes something a fact. you have to first live your life the best you can make out of it and stop worrying about afterlife of which you are aware that there is zero evidence to such ideology. The only evidence there is in is that it was written in a book some thousands of years by a culture, enforced for everyone to believe by an empire via sword. Nothing more or less. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by plaetton: 1:17pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: Hope in what ? The human potential. A potential that primitive , stone age mythologies(calling themselves religigion) have tended to reta.rd 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by plaetton: 1:21pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
menesheh: What a folly indeed. Neglecting to fully understand and appreciate the only life you know, and instead, using your valuable time alive for the primitive pursuit of yet another life in a mythical grandiose paradise. 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 1:23pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
menesheh:Hahahahaha..... You really have a good sense of humor. Am driving sir, I will quote you later this evening, till then. Stay cool. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by johnydon22(m): 1:26pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: Hope for what? But if hope should be rightly placed it should be in Myself.. Humans, family, friends, children, potentials of humanity to turn out good and many others. I may have hopes in many things but it should never include imaginary things or unsure vague concepts .. When have people's life become so bleak that they need to conjure imaginary things to place their hopes 8 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by menesheh(m): 1:27pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: sure! |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by menesheh(m): 1:45pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
texanomaly: This is so ambiguous that it makes no sense. If the little girl (though she is a little girl to understand) feels she can't discuss such topic that are forming the actions of billions of people around the world, either because it is so mysterious and complex, sorry, her brain is so feeble-minded in thought. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by Nobody: 1:52pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
Thoniameek:HI babe, how and where have you been? Hope you're good. Happy New Year. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by Richirich713: 2:03pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
hahn: I advise u to Google Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong, Jeffrey Dahmer, Napoleon Bonaparte etc They were all atheists who followed your views, such as: there's no God, raped or murder is not really wrong etc it's just an illusion. Jeffrey Dahmer, an infamous serial killer and atheist sentenced to 900 years in prison, said “if a person doesn’t think that there is a God to be accountable to, then what’s the point of trying to modify your behavior to keep it within acceptable ranges?”. This was voted quote of the year in the council of atheists. I read this in the same book u read that says Jesus was created at the council of nicea. That same historical scholar apparently said Josephus , Tacitus, Pliny the Younger , Phlegon, Lucian, Celsus , Mara Bar Serapion, Suetonius, and Thallus were all on pot for believing Jesus existed. This same scholar apparently also said all the 99% of historical scholars today who believe Jesus crucifixion is a fact(let alone his existence) are also on pot. 2 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by hahn(m): 2:26pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
Richirich713: Lol. You still haven't understood the fact that morality has nothing to do with religion or the belief in god. Besides, your god has been responsible for more deaths in the world. For evidence from the bible check https://www.nairaland.com/2819877/murder-bible Also, for every kid that dies of an illness and every victim of war your god is responsible because it has chosen to do nothing about it. Even the atheists you mention were created, supposedly by you, by this god and yet it allowed them wreak havoc on millions of innocent souls. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by frank317: 3:13pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: OK, this one is comparing God with radio signal. Lol... Radio signal is more real than your God. Your God lives in ur mind does radio signal live in the mind? You believe God by faith... Then you should park well and keep quiet. Next time you see Muslims who believe in Mohammed or Allah by faith give them a hug. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by frank317: 3:16pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: A whole all powerful came down to earth to save mankind and many people dont believe and you dont find it suspicious or troubling? Isn't it time you start looking into the competence of this your God? 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 6:57pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
plaetton:At any point this dialogue will condescend to the level of spiteful remarks, I will have to simply let it be bro, it's never my intention to cause any form of anger, nor strife over the cause of this dialogue. Good eve. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by plaetton: 7:02pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
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Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by plaetton: 7:02pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode:No no, sir. Actually, my dear friend, it's been a pleasure discussing/ debating with you. I have ZERO anger or disrespect towards you. I Think you are more honest and humble than most of the folks I jaw jaw with here on this section. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 7:04pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
johnydon22:So you believe you are all that is to be when it comes to existence, that there is no supreme being who gave you the life you are living today? Since You said you put hope in yourself, do You think you as a human being have the capacity to explicitly achieve anything you think of, independent of any help from God? What do you actually believe in? |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 7:08pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
frank317:Sir you misunderstood me, am not saying God is equal to radio signal, all I was trying to do was simply let him see that if you actually can't see the things that are very obtainable to you in our human comprehension and yet they exist, then why would you write of the possibility that God exist despite the fact that you can't see him with your naked eyes? where does that leave you on the scale of logic and reasoning? |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by plaetton: 7:14pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode:Yes. Man is the master of his destiny, for good or for bad. No skydaddy, no Toothfairy required. Just look at the March of human civilization. Look how far we have come, from where we have been, with all our mistakes. We have come this far all alone. Intact, we can even say that the beliefs in skyfairys has greatly slowed and ret.arded our progress as equal citizens of the stars. 2 Likes |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 7:18pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
frank317:No no no sir, speak for yourself alone and don't generalise the philosophy you believe in. Actually the percentage of atheist to theist is recorded at 14% to 82%. So going by this your logic, I can humbly tell you that majority of humanity actually believe that God exists sir.... but that's not my main point. My point is that the fact that the way atheist looks at God is quite understandable because some of you guys actually stated off as theists and along the line started believing differently based on life experiences, religious hypocrisy and the evils in the world today. But the thing is, why do you guys because of the actions and choices of man, attribute those consequence to God and in the process say that since allows such inhumane and wanton deed to flourish, then he dosent exits. If God dosent exist, then who takes his position as the supreme being? 1 Like |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 7:20pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
plaetton:Thanks for the understanding sir. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by bxcode(m): 7:25pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
plaetton:Yea man has a hand in his destiny because as a man thinks in his heart, so is he. But sir, if the March of human civilization have been all that cosy? Why are we having increased crime rate and devilish acts and increased wickedness in high places and wanton greed and acts of selfishness? I know you will bring in religion but before you do, mind you that religion also began with men and not with God. So why are you attributing our actions and it's consequences to the perfect God? 1 Like |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by plaetton: 8:31pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode:Well first of all, humans are still socially evolving. As an evolving species, Remember, we are not so different from wild animals. Sometimes we take two steps forward and one step backwards, sometimes we take one step forward and two steps backwards. Now, if the human March of civilization had been guided or supervised by the invisible hand of a supernatural being, then, don't you think the earth would have been paradise for all humans ? The fact that it is not is proof that we have been struggling and bungling all by our selves by trial and error, social evolution. If you look back at the last 250'000yrs of human history on Earth, you would agree that we are living in the best of times. Now, our present political and economic system makes it possible for a wide gap between those who have and those who do not. Our social system insists that everyone should have. Therefore, those who do not must struggle to have. Even Pentecostal Christianity is anchored on the predication that you should have wealth and riches. Therefore the society is caught up in a constant flux of competition, by all means possible, to possess and accumulate. Pentecostalism correlates spiritual growth with personal accumulation. These are the reasons for increasing crime and wickedness. 2 Likes |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by frank317: 8:44pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: God is supposed to be the creator, a being that gave life to be every human. So powerful that we can't comprehend. Created man and everything. He knows the future knows what man wants... Isnt that so? The best you can do for him is stop comparing him with things he supposedly created... They are not supposed to be used as an example to prove his existence... Its deamining. God as the creator is supposed to be self existent in the heart of everyone. he is supposed to be 'realer' than everything on earth since he ceated them all... No need for you to try to prove him. Sadly, the fact that u have to be here trying to convince his own creation he exist is quite suspicious. It makes his existence sound like a fraud, which makes me wonder.. Shouldn't he have thought of this? His competence is really at stake here. |
Re: Understanding Christianity : Out Of Eden by frank317: 8:50pm On Jan 09, 2016 |
bxcode: Are u for real? Or are u just living in denial. How many theists believe Jesus came as God to save man from doom? Check the percentage yourself. Theist theist theist... So? Are they now better than atheists just because the believe in the existence of a God? What happened to believing in Christ as their personal saviour? Are we throwing that away just to win an argument? Then later u go and bash them or ask them to repent? Stop decieving yourself bro. Stop living in denial. 1 Like |
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