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Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Jusmudi(m): 11:34am On Mar 24, 2016 |
dolphinheart:Oga if God commanded dem 2 mak images like ark of d covenant, d copper snake etc, he did nt nd ll nt 4bid d use of images bt he ll nt b api if pipo worship dos images. It bcoms an insult 2 God.................... If God does nt allow d use of images dt means we hvin d picture of our love ones,@home is nw a sin |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 11:37am On Mar 24, 2016 |
Peritus: you are right to a very large extent,but I personally feel that they are more than just invitees these are my reasons. 1. The influence Mary and Jesus had at the wedding. Mary told them to do whatever jesus commands, and Jesus told the servants at the wedding to fill large jars with water. These commands would not have been possible without influence, mere invited guests cannot do that. 2. second personal reason is that I believe Jesus went to the wedding with his family members, both mother and brothers, such kind of invitation can only occur if those getting married are family(extended) to jesus' family, or if they are friends to jesus family. taking those two into account ,adding jesus age and the probability of being the head of his family, I think I'm right to say that Mary went to jesus, not for a miracle, but for something to be done about the wine situation. yes, mary knew who Jesus is from birth, but she was not aware of the fact that Jesus could perform miracles. she did not tell jesus what to do, but she just informed jesus that there is no more wine, and as head of the family, he should do something about it. Even when Jesus answered her, her next statement shows she did not know how jesus will handle the situation, unless you want to say she is aware of the process by which the miracle will be performed, and that she wanted jesus to turn water into wine. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 12:05pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Jusmudi: Bro, God did not forbid the use of images, king Solomon had images in his house na. God did not forbid the use of images for religious purposes, as there are images in the temple. what God forbids is the use or creation of images by oneself for any religious purpose. All images used for religious purpose must come from God. God did not say "do not make images", he said, " do not make for yourselves". God has been specific on these, the maker, the purpose, the structure and the location have been specified by God prior to the making of such images for religious purpose. If someone else makes it, Who is not the same person as the person God said should make it, God will not accept it. If the person who God said should make it, makes it, but does not follow gods direct instruction on its details, God will not accept it. so you can see how strict these issue is. For everyone to be certain that these is a divine intruction, and for everyone to see that such instructions where followed in detail, God had it recorded and preserved. to now even protect the people from wrong use of these images, God had them placed in a location where less than 1% of the isrealites could see it. It is wrong to say that since God approved that images could be made for religious purpose then, one can also do so now. even those who God gave command to make images did not make any other image apart from the one God commanded. so it is important that those who make the image of Mary and Jesus for religious purpose must first tell 1. who gave them the command to do so 2. details about the command 3. who the command was given to(who was told to make the image) 4. and why it's put in a public place instead of somewhere private. If this can't be provided, then the image is false, and you have no right to blame someone who makes an image of Jesus and put two horns on his head, or an image of Mary with very big nose. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Jusmudi(m): 1:02pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
dolphinheart:Sir no mara ur relationship wit sm1, he or she must invite u. Bros sorry 2 say dt base on dis ur point, ur argument lacks base |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Jusmudi(m): 1:10pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
[quote author=dolphinheart post=44064036] Bro, God did not forbid the use of images, king Solomon had images in his house na. God did not forbid the use of images for religious purposes, as there are images in the temple. what God forbids is the use or creation of images by oneself for any religious purpose. All images used for religious purpose must come from God. God did not say "do not make images", he said, " do not make for yourselves". God has been specific on these, the maker, the purpose, the structure and the location have been specified by God prior to the making of such images for religious purpose. If someone else makes it, Who is not the same person as the person God said should make it, God will not accept it. If the person who God said should make it, makes it, but does not follow gods direct instruction on its details, God will not accept it. so you can see how strict these issue is. For everyone to be certain that these is a divine intruction, and for everyone to see that such instructions where followed in detail, God had it recorded and preserved. to now even protect the people from wrong use of these images, God had them placed in a location where less than 1% of the isrealites could see it. It is wrong to say that since God approved that images could be made for religious purpose then, one can also do so now. even those who God gave command to make images did not make any other image apart from the one God commanded. so it is important that those who make the image of Mary and Jesus for religious purpose must first tell 1. who gave them the command to do so 2. details about the command 3. who the command was given to(who was told to make the image) 4. and why it's put in a public place instead of somewhere private. If this can't be provided, then the image is false, and you have no right to blame someone who makes an image of Jesus and put two horns on his head, or an image of Mary with very big nose.[/quote Bros i marry my hands 4 u. Bt on d oda hand, GOD gave us fOOD bt did he mention EbA? Since God has permitted d use of images, Hw do U still want God to repeat xam word by sayin ''' go nd hv d image of Mary nd JESUS''' ?? Bros its sounds 4ni u know.................... Bt i must commend ur effort in trying 2 learn.................... Kudos to u |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Jusmudi(m): 1:12pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
[quote author=dolphinheart post=44064036] Bros i marry my hands 4 u. Bt on d oda hand, GOD gave us fOOD bt did he mention EbA? Since God has permitted d use of images, Hw do U still want God to repeat xam word by sayin ''' go nd hv d image of Mary nd JESUS''' ?? Bros its sounds 4ni u know.................... Bt i must commend ur effort in trying 2 learn.................... Kudos to u |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Jusmudi(m): 1:17pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
[quote author=dolphinheart post=4406 Bros i marry my hands 4 u. Bt on d oda hand, GOD gave us fOOD bt did he mention EbA? Since God has permitted d use of images, Hw do U still want God to repeat xam word by sayin ''' go nd hv d image of Mary nd JESUS''' ?? Bros its sounds 4ni u know.................... Bt i must commend ur effort in trying 2 learn.................... Kudos to u |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 7:13pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Jusmudi: My explanation did not mean they where not invited, its to show you they where not mere invitees. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 7:43pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Jusmudi: I believe you read my post, we are talking about using image for religious purpose ,you eba theory does not count. For if it counts , the isrealites would have brought any animal to the temple to be sacrificed, instead of bringing the ones God specified. Anyone could have done the sacrifice , instead of a levite. Those who made the images, having received directives from God, did not continue to make different other images. They did not even make a replica of the image they where directed by God to do for religious purpose, they did as God as directed them to do and stopped immediately after they completed their work. Because God had commanded a copper serpent to be made does not mean Solomon could do it too. This was done to protect us from all these false image of one long haired jesus and mary that is everywhere today. Anyone who makes any image for religious purpose must show proof that he is divinely ordained to do such image. It must be recorded with the details stated their. If one who makes such image does not do so. He is same as a person who makes the image of any man, and calls it the image of jesus. God had not given the command for the image of jesus to be made, therefore " do not make for yourself any graven image" calling it jesus for religious purpose . |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Jusmudi(m): 8:18pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
dolphinheart:Nd u ll agree wit me dt anybody dt is invited ar nt mere invitees. For u 2 b invited makes U special |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Jusmudi(m): 8:31pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
[quote author=dolphinheart post=44076124][/quote] I bow my head in respect nd speak ntnin bt truth.,... My Bros do u remember when Jesus said in book of john , just as d copper snake is lifted up so ll d son of man b lifted up dt any1 wu look @him ll b saved.. So my Bros Jesus is sayin d use of symbols by using d cross 2 illustrate his death on d cross nd 2day we hv cross either @home or church or even ur pastor use to bless u in d church by sayin ''''' I bless in d name of father, son, nd d holy spirit '''''' which is also d cross. So U c dt d use of symbols or images ar nt only done by catholics bt everybody.. Which even our Lord Jesus illustrated |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 8:47pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Jusmudi: It was the person I replied that used the words " mere invitees" . Inviting someone to a wedding does not make someone special. The person is already special, that's why he or she is invited. Buy mary's invitation is different, she is probably family to the couple for her to have such influence. Someone who you invited to your wedding, who is not part of the organizing committee cannot be giving your ushers command na. Unless that person has the authority due to his or her closeness to the couple . Likewise you can't go a wedding you are invited to and tell the ushers to go and fetch water. But you can do so if you are related or very close to those doing the wedding. On the issue of the organizers asking mary to ask jesus. This I dnt believe, mary would probably have noticed herself and gone to meet jesus. If the organizers have asked mary, the head would have been aware and would not have made the statement he made when he tasted the wine later. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 8:50pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Jusmudi: Can you direct me to where that is written in the book of john? |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 8:51pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Ubenedictus:O Uben..., Na wahoo. When you meet your God... Hmmmm. 1 Like |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 8:52pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Ubenedictus:Wouldn't it be better if you post such a scripture here? |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 9:00pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
Syncan:Sir, do you realize that Jesus' lineage didn't come through this Mary we are talking about here? It was through Joseph. Why is Joseph completely alleniated from the whole scene? To tell you the truth, Mary is not more important than Joseph in the whole Jesus' birth. Joseph as far as am concern is more important, because he is from the tribe of Judah, through which the promise was made. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 9:07pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
BLINGZ88:And when she interceded, do you remember what she said to the people "WHAT EVERY HE TELLS YOU DO". Pls show where Jesus commanded you people to do all you do in Catholicism? If you are such addent follower of Mary, then you shd do all Jesus commanded. Worship God in spirit and in truth. No specific location, no particular time, no particular position, not using any totem. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by babadem2much(m): 9:41pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
omartins: God bless the work of your hands, this same people will hang or place the pictures of their pastors and will be shouting Catholics worship Mary or statues. may God open their eyes |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 10:07pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
analice107:my dear, if it is about worship i will be happy to meet my God cos i'll calmly tell him: "Jesus when u finished ur work on earth u gave u church d authority to preach, teach and celebrate ur worship, you promise d church d spirit of truth and gave her d spirit, gave it leaders promising them d power to bind and lose in heaven and earth, u promised to be with ur church for ever and promise never to allow d evil on prevail over her, i have worshiped in exactly the same way d church u instituted worships and teaches". When i am in d church Jesus founded i am not shaken because error can't preveal against it, it is d pillar of truth. If i were in a church dat depend on d interpretation of their pastor and his opinion a an ecclesia community founded by man long after Jesus died and founded his church then i will be worried. 1 Like |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 10:14pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
analice107:please define the word linage |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 10:19pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
dolphinheart:So you want to build a doctrine on probability? You will ignore clear commands and go with probability. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 10:26pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
analice107:i already gave passages joshua 7:6, abi u no get bible? |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 10:28pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
dolphinheart:who told u neither mary or anyone had seen Jesus perform a miracle? Dat isnt in my bible oh! |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 10:42pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
dolphinheart:hahahb, do not make for urself simply means "do not make for your own use", it has nothing to do with whether a thing was commanded or not, stop spilting hairs. Since u claim every temple image was given in well detailed instruction, please show me the detail instruction 4 d great winged creature in 1kg 6:32, wat about d images of trees we find in 1 kgs 7:41,42 |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 10:51pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
dolphinheart:john 3:14 2 Likes |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 10:57pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
analice107:i always listen to those words "do watever he tell u" and the catholic church lives by them, we hear and listen to him that is why we hold on to d fulnes of d word handed on by both letters and word of mouth just like paul said. I certainly worship him in spirit and truth just like d early xtians did. 1 Like |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by Ubenedictus(m): 11:04pm On Mar 24, 2016 |
dolphinheart:hahaha dolphinheart says "they did not venerate the ark" the bible says "joshua...prostrated himself before the ark" who is lying, you accuse catholics of bowing before image yet the bible says Joshua too prostated befor an image. Have a good day trying to explain how u are contradicting scriptures. 2 Likes |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 2:50am On Mar 25, 2016 |
Ubenedictus:My brother, you are the church. The hunch Christ talked about is not a building. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by analice107: 2:51am On Mar 25, 2016 |
Ubenedictus:Pls quote the scripture out. |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 8:55am On Mar 25, 2016 |
analice107: The disscussion about the wedding is not a doctrine, we are just sharing personal opinions |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 9:05am On Mar 25, 2016 |
Ubenedictus: Bro, I did not say "neither mary Or anyone had seen jesus perform a miracle" , let me rephrase: neither mary or anyone had seen jesus perform any miracle before turning water into wine. Hope you get me now? |
Re: Do Catholics Worship Statues? | Catholic Answers by dolphinheart(m): 10:12am On Mar 25, 2016 |
Ubenedictus:No Bro, "do not make for yourself" means "do not make for yourself" . its like saying " let me determine, how when and what images you should make, and who should make it, dnt make this decision by yourself". All the images made for religious purpose then followed this discription. No image was made without command!, so in essence " do not make for yourself any image without my command! As explained earlier, 1. no image was made without jehovahs directive. 2. No image was made by anyone but the person jehovah directed to make it. 3. No extra image was made for religous purpose anywhere else. 4. The details where given 5. The details where recorded. 6. The images where not kept in the open. Images used for religous purposes today do not follow the examples and instructions layed down before now. Since u claim every temple image was given in well detailed instruction, please show me the detail instruction 4 d great winged creature in 1kg 6:32, 1 ki 6:32 The two doors also were of olive tree; and he carved upon them carvings of cherubims and palm trees and open flowers, and overlaid them with gold, and spread gold upon the cherubims, and upon the palm trees. Ube, this is detailed enough! As to the great winged creature, you would not have known that the creatures wings are great, or the materials used to make them if details where not given. Read 1 kings chapter 6. wat about d images of trees we find in 1 kgs 7:41,42Pls quote the verses for us to see! |
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