WASMOG:
that's is not sacrifice u just borrow them for a specific period of time for example when Abraham want to sacrifice his son Ishmael that's is sacrifice coz he would have lost him forever

And the same God that gave Isaac to Sarah (defying ALL biological odds) would have resurrected him but instead, God wanted to test Abraham's obedience and faithfulness. This is why Abraham was a "friend" of God.

LIKE IF YOU STILL BELIEVE IN JESUS! Well, it's no surprise thingy. If peter who saw some miracles of Jesus could deny him, then who is Ese Walter? I guess a drop of water on the atlantic. In case atheist doesn't know, Jesus already knew that a lot people will deny him in this end time. It is just that she chose to be among those to tread that part. Just look at how shallow her origin, and definition, of life is. Hmmm! That reminds me, even the bible rightly quipped, 'a fool says in her heart, there is no God'! I pray that atheist returns to the path of Happiness LIKE IF YOU STILL BELIEVE IN CHRIST

Lets be clear here. This is NOT a question that you are seeking an answer to. You mind is clearly made up in advance and you are merely seeking to promote your own fixed position.

The sacrifice of Jesus makes perfect sense to Christians (hint: thats why they ARE Christians). Non believers are exactly that - NON believers.

No matter what intrepretation or argument is put forward you will not accept it.

You have every right to disbelieve and should not be disrespected for that. Believers have an equal right and should be equally respected. This thread was clearly merely an exercise in arguing to demean others. Disgraceful!!!!

Whether you like it or not Jesus christ died and he's risen from the dead,behold,he lives forever more.
Arguement can't solve anything. revelation comes by impartation of the Holy spirit.

Life is like an onion, there are many layers to it, and one gets to peel it one layer at a time, and is always being surprised that there is another layer when one thinks, feels, assumes, concludes that the previous was last.

KoloOyinbo:
Lets be clear here. This is NOT a question that you are seeking an answer to. You mind is clearly made up in advance and you are merely seeking to promote your own fixed position.

The sacrifice of Jesus makes perfect sense to Christians (hint: thats why they ARE Christians). Non believers are exactly that - NON believers.

No matter what intrepretation or argument is put forward you will not accept it.

You have every right to disbelieve and should not be disrespected for that. Believers have an equal right and should be equally respected. This thread was clearly merely an exercise in arguing to demean others. Disgraceful!!!!

Exactly... That's why I encourage us to avoid arguing with these type of people.. Everyone has a right to believe what they want.

Someone said prayers are answered by consciousness. Can that person explain further?

CaptainJune:


Lol. True. Other examples you fail to consider:

1. I sacrifice (give up) my bed so that my younger one may sleep in it for three nights. Have I lost my bed forever?

2. I sacrifice (give up) the use of my laptop for the day so that a friend may use it to complete an assignment. Have I lost my laptop forever?

3. I sacrifice (give up) my car so that my brother may use it to go for a job interview in time since his is still under repair. Have I lost my car forever?

What in the definition of sacrifice implies that the use of the word must be associated with permanent loss?

so Jesus only sacrifice was to stop flexing in this world for three days only...? lol that's BS

The trinity is illogical. if Jesus is eternal, then he could not die as a sacrifice. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Death is the opposite of eternal. For Jesus to be eternal, it would have to be granted by Yahweh. If it can be granted, it can be taken. If it can be taken, he cannot be a god.

cc : JackBizzle ... another example of a specious argument

kevoh:


A sacrifice is a loss or something you give up, usually for the sake of a better cause.

Source : http://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/sacrifice

Examples:
1. You (sacrifice) give up one of your two healthy kidneys to save your ailing aunty or friend who needs a kidney transplant. The sacrificed kidney never comes back to you in 3 days, it's gone forever.

2. You sacrifice your time saving/helping accident victims on a Monday morning making you miss an 8a.m presentation to a billionaire client and got sacked by your no nonsense boss for coming late due to that. Time sacrificed will not come back to you in 3 days time! You have lost it forever and your job too!

you dont understand the scriptures.!
Jesus sacrificed his human body..the one he came with through Mary but he was raised up in a spirit body.
More like you loose your job because you sacrificed your time to save your sister but you got another job far greater than the one you lost .
Hence he could ascend to heaven in the spirit body . if you read the bible you will know that Angels visited Lot and Abraham in a body visible to human, even Mary was visited by Angel Gabriel in flesh but not as a human... those bodies the angels put on are not really human body of flesh and blood....but spirit bodies visible to humans....hence after their message , they become invisible ....and go back to heaven
Jesus came in pure human flesh and that was the body sacrificed but raised up in spirit body hence he can assume a body you can see as if human ( same like the angels does )if he wants to ....

And who the Bleep are you.. Mr researcher

Lucifer makes the news too. As a matter of fact he is setting the pace. ... That's why your jesus makes the news, because People are asking "where the fuvk is he!!?[/quote]

CANTICLES:
The question is solved , ONCE you realize that Jesus is the high priest of the New Covenant . ( Hebrews 8:1 )

In ancient Isreal , the sacrifice is not completed until the high priest enter into the Most Holy place with the blood of the sacrificed animals .

thats a shadow of what Christ will do .

This Requires That For the sacrifice of Christ to be completed and accepted , he must rise and enter into the heavens on our behalf . Hey ! Dont forget he is the high priest of this new covenant .

" However when Christ came as a high priest .. He entered into the holy place , not with the blood of goats and of young bulls, but with his own blood, once for all time, and obtained an everlasting deliverance for us" - Heb 9:11,12, 24 .

Broz eh, e bi like say you go emboldened this your answer make more people see am o!

Nice answer btw!

And who the Bleep are you...

Lucifer makes the news too. As a matter of fact he is setting the pace. ... That's why your jesus makes the news, because People are asking "where the fuvk is he!!?[/quote]

victorazy:


Your talking about suicide Jesus is not ment to commit suicide.

Everything have to follow proccesses and directions so that some people should be held responsible, that's why He said "Father forgive them". That's where redemption started and the signs of rapture also started that day, infact he laid another foundation that's why there was earthquake that day and the sun went off.

Something he said "Father forgive them"... But practically you say he is God Almighty in the flesh right? So was he like, speaking to himself in the 3rd party, and calling himself his own father? Religion shouldn't be hard to break down, because this is highly contradictory. They say Jesus is the Son of God, but wait... He is also God... Sorry, wait again, he is also the Holy Ghost.

God is a Spirit being, a Supreme being, He everything, He is everywhere, but he isn't a son of man. Son of man is the term Jesus used to describe himself, he never said the Son of God. Even the Bible scholars couldn't tamper with that part of the Bible.

Atlantian:
It is all lies and control statements. Jesus never resurrected. No one goes into space with this body. Oxygen is not there at high altitude. How can his body survive without oxygen. I doubt the resurrection story 100%.

If you are a Christian, then it will be easier for you to believe because after resurrection, Jesus body turned to celestial body which is immortal (being spiritual) 1 Cor 15:36-58. This is what will happen to all believers we make heaven, their bodies shall be turned to celestial bodies because natural bodies cannot be in heaven.

My prayer for you is that the power of resurrection of Jesus Christ may be made manifest in your life. The starting point though is to believe in Jesus and give your life to him. Happy Easter

manny4life:


Exactly... That's why I encourage us to avoid arguing with these type of people.. Everyone has a right to believe what they want.

Correct. I could have made a very simple answer but whats the point? While the thread is a valid question if asked HONESTLY the actual motives here are quite disgraceful.

huntax:

This is just plain blasphemy. God is too holy to turn himself into a man and be subject to public disgrace. His Grace and Glory is too gigantic to fit in a human suit. Taking the form of man is a thing for angels, not the Almighty God himself. So convenient for this scripture to appear only in the new testament.

Bros! I see ur just joking and having fun

God is a spirit, He is ominipresent, meaning he can go anywhere or enter anywhere and that's why he said "your body is my temple" meaning ur body na him house and no one is bigger than his house

Bros! Seek for knowledge and sense (no offence abeg just advice)

demonic Argument


by an atheist

KoloOyinbo:

The sacrifice of Jesus makes perfect sense to Christians (hint: thats why they ARE Christians). Non believers are exactly that - NON believers.

It doesn't make perfect sense to Christians. If it did, they wouldn't need faith.

Babakenny:


I am 100% certain that you are a dead man walking!! Jesus said, they see me, but knows me not. Sin to Holy Spirit has no forgiveness, cos Jesus is Lord and HE is the spirit of the LIVING GOD. You will never see him when u die but u will see him if u genuinely repented of your sin. People like you are in hell blaming themselves for not accepting JESUS CHRIST AS THEIR LORD AND SAVIOR.
ACCEPT HIM TODAY BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!

HE DIED AND ROSE AGAIN SO THAT YOU MIGHT NOT DIE THE SECOND DEATH. Get a Bible and study why He died for you.

Sharrap dia! Stop making shiiit up as you go. Did you visit hell to see people complaining and blaming themselves. Or you're just telling lies for jesus.

To show that you don't fully understand your frustration in your religion. There's something called judgment day.I thought jesus was suppose to return before judgment, before so called sinners are sentenced to hell. How come you saw people in hell complaining.

Do come on a public forum and post Sunday school rubbish...

You have asked the foolish question in time ever. Word of God says, You will give account of every idle word you speak or write on the judgement day

Jeromejnr:


1000 likes!

you know what I have found out?... People say they don't believe in God or Jesus because it is convenient for them... That way they can do all sort of terrible things without feeling guilty about it... Their beliefs are born out of convenience

Jesus wil surely come back, I'm positive about this. My religion tells mi n I blivd it 100%

Atlantian:
It is all lies and control statements. Jesus never resurrected. No one goes into space with this body. Oxygen is not there at high altitude. How can his body survive without oxygen. I doubt the resurrection story 100%.

resurrected body is different from mere physical body. He is the first among all brethens to have a glorified(resurrected). The appointed date for all believers of the gosple of jesus to have that glorified body is on the second coming of jesus. The resurrected body do not die. It does not have influence or react to surroundings. It does not need oxygen to breath. It can perform any miracle such as disapearing, ascending to heaven and things u can ever imagine. Angels do not have the body. The resurrected body rules on angles. Hope u can now see the perfect life awaiting we christians.

huntax:

Something he said "Father forgive them"... But practically you say he is God Almighty in the flesh right? So was he like, speaking to himself in the 3rd party, and calling himself his own father? Religion shouldn't be hard to break down, because this is highly contradictory. They say Jesus is the Son of God, but wait... He is also God... Sorry, wait again, he is also the Holy Ghost.

God is a Spirit being, a Supreme being, He everything, He is everywhere, but he isn't a son of man. Son of man is the term Jesus used to describe himself, he never said the Son of God. Even the Bible scholars couldn't tamper with that part of the Bible.

There are many explanations of the Christian belief in the Trinity but non believers dont want to understand them. We already know you dont believe and you know ee do so why are you wasting our time? It is quite infantile and merely exemplifies bigoted Christian baiting to cause an argument.

huntax:

Something he said "Father forgive them"... But practically you say he is God Almighty in the flesh right? So was he like, speaking to himself in the 3rd party, and calling himself his own father? Religion shouldn't be hard to break down, because this is highly contradictory. They say Jesus is the Son of God, but wait... He is also God... Sorry, wait again, he is also the Holy Ghost.

God is a Spirit being, a Supreme being, He everything, He is everywhere, but he isn't a son of man. Son of man is the term Jesus used to describe himself, he never said the Son of God. Even the Bible scholars couldn't tamper with that part of the Bible.

Get ur fact correct sir. I said "Jesus is God in form of man"j

am0sn0nyu:
I SUPPOSE ANY OF YOU AFRICAN CHRISTIAN CONVERTS SHOULD BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A RATIONAL ANSWER

SOURCE

Just die the real death, and offer the real sacrifice for your own seed.

see question! Nothing we no go see for Nairaland.

Stop worshiping or praying to that greek demon called Is-zeuz/ Je-zeuz aka JESUS

He is the source of your misery you idiotic Africans!!!!

Vecto:
The trinity is illogical. if Jesus is eternal, then he could not die as a sacrifice. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Death is the opposite of eternal. For Jesus to be eternal, it would have to be granted by Yahweh. If it can be granted, it can be taken. If it can be taken, he cannot be a god.

Again , lack of fundamental biblical understanding.....the snake shed its skin..but it wil remain a snake
Don't limit God ...Jesus is part of God, hence use of phrase like son and father ....your son is an integral part of you...
Jesus came to the earth with full human body of flesh and blood...that body is what died....not his life ..his life did not die...so it was like shedding the human aspect to get back his spirit body
Jesus was in heaven before he came to earth.In heaven, he had a spirit body , but he assumed the human body in order to be like us ..after the killing and death of that human body, he took back his original spirit body. simple.!
if you open your mind , you will understand these things clear...

Nigerians are very intelligent.

Just when you start pondering on the sensitivity of a question, someone comes along to render it unintelligent.
I doff my hat for 9ja.