booqee:
I keep wondering why did God even create the tree of life in the garden of Eden in the first place if He didn't want man to sin..

Some say its intentional... if it is, why was He so displeased to the extent of placing a curse on them...

He created us as man.. not as gods or heavenly creatures.. so of course he was easy and prone to falling for temptation.. so I assumed He knew from the start while creating him, that man would fall by eating the forbidden fruit...

so why bother creating it and then cursing man when it is believed He knew he would fall.. (that's the part that makes it look unfair) .. its similar to setting a concealed trap right in front of us..


I'm confused honestly ..

contributions are welcome

Kunzee2304:
One important thing to consider...is d story of d fall of Lucifer. Lucifer claimed tht God created slaves as angels...with jobs basivally to serve and praise God. Thus he began d rebellion stating that God was a autocratic leader that didnt give anyone choices. The first deception ensued...because Lucifer succeeded in convincing other angels of this fact.

Now thinking from my perspective...if there was an embargo on angels making choices...God must ve released this at this point in time. So when humans were created...Lucifer must have taunted God again that all creations if opportuned to choose...will choose d "power to know good and evil." This must be why God created man and had the scenario setup. Man fell has expected.

My thoughts tell me...that Life was created to re-populate Heaven all over again. But this time with beings that will become angels that had a choice. Your position and status in d bew life will be based on how well you stayed on that right path all through your journey on earth.

So God is a fair God. We are only victims of d tussle between Good and evil.

hungryboy:
That Thing dey confuse me too,
E just dey like say, God dig hole for all of us to fall inside,
Each man suppose carry him own cross nah,
Why should we all be suffering for what Adam did in the garden of Eden?,
Why should all mankind be suffering because of One Man's disobedience?,

bodeemmy:
Jehovah is a God of love, he love us that is why he created us. God has provided all what Adam and Eve needed, so they lack nothing.
There is one gift that God gives all human; the gift is called FREE WILL i.e ability to make decide for ourself what we want to do. God doesn't force ppl to serve him unlike Satan. God loves and appreciate it when we serve him base on genuine love for him.
So what God normally does is this;
this thing is Bad, if u do it this is the consequences
this thing is good, if u do it this is the reward
God will now leave u to make decision, so any decision u make u already know the outcome.
That is God for u, he want those that obey him based on love for him,
He goes for quality not quantity.
God have the power to make us like robot and be controlling us, but he doesn't because he want us to exercise our free will, whether we love and obey him or not


So in case of Adam and Eve, God want them to prove their love for him obeying the simple instruction or command he gave them which is not too difficult for them to obey, because that is not the only tree in the garden . obeying it is to their benefit self because is a life and death matter.
Is just like if your doctor told u not to eat a particular fruit because of the great damage the fruit can cause to your health and that after some time it can kill u. am very sure u w not eat the fruit again
likewise God told Adam & Eve not to eat that particular fruit for their life. they did obey that simple instruction, or they SIN (SIN-simple instruction neglected)
By doing that, they willingly did obey Jehovah the giver of their perfect life, they obey Satan that doesn't do anything for them.
God is perfect and all his ways are just.
so he did not intentionally put the tree there so that they can sin o
that will not show justice on Gods part, Jehovah is a God of Justice.

leorayvon:
he defamity of Adam
The reason is so that Adam can descend into the earth. Eating from the tree of life is the only way. Remember He made heavens and the earth. Adam (mankind) is to stay in the earth. Read on

The undetailed story of adam in the Bible potrayed this image of God as the betrayer of his maker and a weakling.and his God also as an imperfect creator, blaspheming the All seeing Eye and Omniscient God
This has made Adam suffer multi generational deformity and has also produce athesist which believd that the source of all toils, hardship,sickness and death is from the genesis tragedy,
An invincible God that decided to create something which he proclaimed is His image and likeness can be judged in that which he created,if we say Adam is a weakling are we not indeirectly say that his maker is also a weakling? If not,then we need to look into the matter more carefully.
Let us look into the story of this awesome never born titanic creature, what he did , not as deceived but to prove the deceiver (lucifer) to be the deceived.
Gen 1 vs26-27 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Looking closely at the account of creation , you will observe that God was not exactly calling things that be not as though they were, rather He spoke and called forth the entire creation from already existent materials,asking them to bring forth according to thier kind,God continued in this manner until he got to the creation of man, So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.gen 1vs 27.
The above verse was the creation of Adam,how come the bilble said in gen 2:5 that ' there was no man to till the ground' after which the Lord God formed man of the dust of the earth,the account of chapter 1 used the word 'creation' which is making something out of none existing material , while chapter 2 used 'form' which is making from an already existing material,
God is a spirit being therefore when he proposed to make man in His image ,after his likeness, He created the spirit and the soul of the man gen 1:27. It was in this state that God embedded the spirit of prophecy in Adam, (rev 19:10c for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.), this spirit of prophecy formed the basic form of knowledge that Adam had,which was exhibited when he had to name all the animals , including the first woman eve gen 2:19 ....and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
The angels did not know about the creation of the mans spirit and soul but they witnessed the forming of mans body.This was why in comparing themselves to man they could not comprehend the attention God is giving to man, they wondered what is about man that God is so mindful of him (psalm 8:4).
Adam having the spirit of prophecy knew that except a seed falls into the ground and die it abides alone (john 12:24).And for procreation to take place ,he being the first man must die ( leave his original exalted state in Eden to become a mortal msn in the earth.gen 1:28
There is no procreation in Eden, as it is a heavenly place , which is in its complete system of generation.hence for procreation to happen Adam must descend to the earth ( which was actually where he was given as his jurisdiction) which is not yet a perfect world. The only passport to the earth is the fruit of the tree of motality(the tree of the knowledge of good and evil)
In taking a rib from Adam to make eve, God made for man what he can die for, and that was why adam, even when he knew the consequences of eating of that tree and what lies ahead of eve after she has done so, decided to take full responsibility and die for the love he has for her, just like our Lord Jesus Christ chose to be made sin and died for the love he has for us to redeem us (including Adam)fro

booqee:
I keep wondering why did God even create the tree of life in the garden of Eden in the first place if He didn't want man to sin..

Some say its intentional... if it is, why was He so displeased to the extent of placing a curse on them...

He created us as man.. not as gods or heavenly creatures.. so of course he was easy and prone to falling for temptation.. so I assumed He knew from the start while creating him, that man would fall by eating the forbidden fruit...

so why bother creating it and then cursing man when it is believed He knew he would fall.. (that's the part that makes it look unfair) .. its similar to setting a concealed trap right in front of us..


I'm confused honestly ..
contributions are welcome

booqee:
I keep wondering why did God even create the tree of life in the garden of Eden in the first place if He didn't want man to sin..

Some say its intentional... if it is, why was He so displeased to the extent of placing a curse on them...

He created us as man.. not as gods or heavenly creatures.. so of course he was easy and prone to falling for temptation.. so I assumed He knew from the start while creating him, that man would fall by eating the forbidden fruit...

so why bother creating it and then cursing man when it is believed He knew he would fall.. (that's the part that makes it look unfair) .. its similar to setting a concealed trap right in front of us..


I'm confused honestly ..

contributions are welcome

lekkie073:
the ways of God cannot be comprehended by mere mortals.
acfording to the bible:
-God deliberately hardened Pharaoh's heart so that he would not listen to Moses
-God put lying tongues in the mouth of fake prophets
-God destined Judas to betray Jesus....

in each of these three it would be wise to assume that they were all doing according to God's will...

whether or not they r guilty should not be a subject of matter for us.

thats why I said some questions are better left unanswered!

analice107:

Create this scenarios in your mind's eyes.

Am your Mum, sovery rich. Everything you want you can get, I have a mansion which you live in it with me. One day i call you into a room empty, I mean nothing to eat in it, and then I give you an instruction saying, "Am going out my son, see that you touch nothing in this room till I return.
Remember, it's an empty room, and am telling you not to touch anything. What's is there to touch?

Again, I am your parent, am very wealthy. You of course is my child, and so lives in my mansion full of everything. But I call you and instructs you and say "Son, you can make use of everything in the freezer, every thing, only just this "wheat Bread", pls don't touch it", and I went out.
I left everything to your disposal, no restrains. There's assorted of everything. All kinds of breads, eat your fill, but don't touch the Wheat Bread. But you left every other thing you are free to touch and eat, but went to the only one I instructed you don't touch.
In your head or mind's eye, what do you see?

Let me help you. God Wanted to teach Adam Obidience and control.

In the first scenario, the room was empty, so Adam would of course have nothing to touch. If he touched nothing, because there was nothing to touch, would you call that Obidience? Will he be exercising any control? No.

The second scenario. Every thing but ONE is given to you. BUT you are instructed, leave the Wheat Bread alone. But u left the flour bread or corn bread and went for the wheat bread. Would you say Adam did well?
Can you obey instructions without control? No.
If you love me, you will respect me, if you respect me, you will obey me. Finish.
When you ask questions first think.

shanktang:
The tree of knowledge was simply the tree of God, it was exlusive only to God, remember God created the earth in six days and rested on the seventh and the seventh was dedicated unto God as the sabath, same way He made the nations and chose the jews to Himself sameway He chose the levites to Himself among the tweve tribes of israel, He always left to Himself a portion its the same way the principle if tithing 10% of what you got goes back to Him, He will always leave to Himself a remnant, they had everything and it didnt belong to them, they took that which belong only to God and they died, the tree was not there to test their obedience no, God does not put anybody to test, let alone to the lent at which you fall and loose everything, that was His tithe but they eat it and died.

booqee:
I keep wondering why did God even create the tree of life in the garden of Eden in the first place if He didn't want man to sin..

Some say its intentional... if it is, why was He so displeased to the extent of placing a curse on them...

He created us as man.. not as gods or heavenly creatures.. so of course he was easy and prone to falling for temptation.. so I assumed He knew from the start while creating him, that man would fall by eating the forbidden fruit...

so why bother creating it and then cursing man when it is believed He knew he would fall.. (that's the part that makes it look unfair) .. its similar to setting a concealed trap right in front of us..


I'm confused honestly ..

contributions are welcome

sandygechy:
What's this one saying

Jeromejnr:


How did I miss this? Kudos!

colp2015:
God planted the tree of knowledge of good and evil to alert Adam that Satan was in the garden. God did not intend to test man's obedience through the tree, but to communicate to Adam and Eve that evil spirits were in the garden with them.

Adam knew nothing about the invisible enemy. God knew Satan was in the garden, but since Adam did not give name to Lucifer, coupled with the fact that Lucifer/Satan is invisible, there was a problem communicating the nature and mission of Satan to Adam and Eve. Hence, God planted the tree of knowledge and evil to induce the adversary to reveal himself.

Who else but Satan would kick against God's instruction? Adam and Eve would never have sinned deliberately without influence.

I urge you to read an interesting article on http://faithfuljoel.com/2015/07/the-tree-of-knowledge-of-good-evil/

Suurulere:
"Hast thou not known? Hast thou not heard? That the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary; there is no searching of His understanding."-Isaiah 40:28.

If we know everything about Him, then He is no more God.

Forget Adam and Eve and be like Jesus...the Second Adam and the Lord of Heaven.

Drigdee:
God created Man to be a god on the earth and have dominion over everything.
But God does not force anyone to worship Him, that is one of the proofs of his love for us and it also describes His personality. He gives everyone the power to choose to serve , He does not force it.
So there had to be an avenue for Man to make that choice.
For example, when the devil rebelled against God long before creation, he didnt force His dominion over the devil, instead he allowed the devil to choose , and prepared the lake of fire for the rest to know the punisment of not recognisig Him as the creator .
This applies to us Humans also.
Choose you this day whom you will follow.
But still, How unsearchable are his judgement and His ways past finding out.

Benprak:
God never intended man to sin by creating the tree of knowledge of good and evil. God put d tree there because man is a free moral agent,and u can say man has free will to choose if u don't give him a choice? Think about dat

shine12:
Because He (God) did not create Robots.He gave man (Human) the freewill to obey/disobey and choose between right and wrong.Had He created Robots there wouldn't be the tree of good and evil.

tete7000:


The tree was placed their so as not to make us a programmed robot, a zombie like we have now in our scientific world. In a nutshell it signifies our freewill. It is actually love of God for us that made him do that not the other way. Imagine how painful it is for him see human chose the devil over him when he has the power to constrain us.

Adortem:
The power of choice! God didn't create man as zombies,He gave man a will,so the fruit of good and evil was there because he wanted them to simply make a choice and they did! In our lives,God would never force a choice on us,he gives us options to choose from "good or evil"?

lekkie073:
the ways of God cannot be comprehended by mere mortals.
acfording to the bible:
-God deliberately hardened Pharaoh's heart so that he would not listen to Moses
-God put lying tongues in the mouth of fake prophets
-God destined Judas to betray Jesus....

in each of these three it would be wise to assume that they were all doing according to God's will...

whether or not they r guilty should not be a subject of matter for us.

thats why I said some questions are better left unanswered!

bobkezel:

what a God!! That ur God must be a heartless, wicked, deceptive and senseless God. How could he go about tormenting people's life for trump's sake!! Causing troublem here and there. To tell you the truth, i have never seen anything good come out from that ur God, that is, it he exists sha.

lekkie073:
ok u buffonery has been acknowledged. ...can u shift to yaba left now

cloudgoddess:










Ask yourself, what causes human decision-making? What are the factors at play when we make a choice?

All thinking is done with the pre-frontal cortex, or the part of our brain that distinguishes us as "human", which has it's own natural tendencies, including:
- Curiosity. Wanting to learn as much about the environment as possible.
- Reasoning. Wanting to understand, and make choices based on those understandings.
- Persuasion. Ability to be convinced if sufficiently convincing arguments are put forward.

All of these mental tendencies, amongst others, are precisely the reason our species has survived, and managed to dominate so many other species. If Yahweh indeed created every aspect of human beings, that means HE INSTALLED THOSE TENDENCIES & MECHANISMS IN OUR BRAINS, INTENTIONALLY.

In addition, Adam and Eve were NOT given the power of informed choice. The choice they were given was "obey god and or not obey god and procure a huge benefit", with zero details as to why it was even wrong to disobey god, or what "wrong" was or meant (as the story goes they did not learn the meaning of right vs. wrong until they had eaten the fruit). To make a truly informed choice, and not an arbitrary, mindless one, we must know:

1. Why something is wrong/right and what those concepts even mean.
2. What the consequences will be if we choose either option.
3. If there is a potential to be misled, and if so what form would this misleading be presented in (ie. Satan & his argument for why they should eat the fruit).

Adam & Eve had NONE of those things. It is obvious what choice would most likely be made in such a situation, and humans of today are no different. We do not blindly make decisions because x person in charge told us (unless we are ruled by a dictator or brainwashed, which is exactly what theists are, no surprise there). Expecting them NOT to eat from the tree, given their human brains, the situation they were presented with, and the lack of details they were given, would be expecting them NOT to give in to the EXTREMELY PREDICTABLE functions of human nature and neurological patterns. Which, if God himself TRULY created our brains, he would KNOW EVERY SINGLE DETAIL AND MECHANISM OF AND WOULD HAVE MANUALLY INSERTED HIMSELF.

The flaws in the Adam & Eve story are so obvious to anyone studied in basic human psychology and/or neurobiology, or simply to any truly reasonable and honest person who has not been a victim of religious brainwashing.

But of course the cavemen who wrote the crap had no idea how our brains worked or how complex of a process decision-making is, or even that the concept of "free will" in itself is hotly debatable (I won't go into too much detail, but ask yourself this: If two people could possess the exact same genetic code and be exposed to all the exact same environmental factors to the minute detail, would they make the same choices? The fact that 99% of our thinking, learning, and interpretation is done by the subconscious brain, tells us the answer is YES. Modern psychology has shown us that absolute "free will", at least in the way that apologists describe it, very likely does not fully exist. Which is another huge monkey wrench in the Adam & Eve fable, and christianity in general.)

cloudgoddess:

What is so hard about saying, "by the way there is a serpent here that will try to convince you otherwise. he will mislead you so don't listen to him, just a heads up" This simple two sentences is too difficult for an all-powerful god to utter to his creations? Especially given the stakes? The mental gymnastics is strong.

whocanbewho:
what's your user name.. Lemme teach you a quick lesson.

Myde4naija:
you will run away if the proof is out, you will surely dodge the questions that will arise from it.

bobkezel:

i am already there you brainwashed maggot.