Scholar8200:

Ezekiel 28:2
2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God;

While the body of the message may have a dual application, error starts when we choose to ignore one of the focus.

Does that take away the fact that the portion has a broader application or grander fulfilment?

goodnews201668:


My brother that book of mark, Jesus was refering to Gehenna.
You don start again.
Read that place very well, before starting the same yesterday's assertions of yours all over again.

That the fire is not quenched is repeated in Revelation 14:10,11 so is that place also Gehenna?

10 the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 14:10,11

DoctorAlien:


Please, shows us a Bible passage that says the wicked will be alive forever burning.

10 the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelations 14:10,11

DoctorAlien:


If the story of Lazarus was talking about the righteous and the wicked and their fate at death, and Lazarus is supposedly the righteous man, while the rich man is the wicked:

What in the story shows that Lazarus was righteous? Was he righteous by merely sitting at the rich man's gate everyday?

Why then did the rich man bid Abraham send Lazarus to warn his brothers? ANd even said if that happens his brothers will REPENT!!!
Luke 16:30
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

Scholar8200:

[s]Ezekiel 28:2
2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord God;[/s]

While the body of the message may have a dual application, error starts when we choose to ignore one of the focus.

I never quoted Ezekiel 28:2. I only quoted Ezekiel 28:13-18

What is he saying?

Stop beating around the bush: who is being referred to in Ezekiel 28:13-18 if not Satan?

You like mixing things up, take it easy.
Gehena is different from lake of fire.

Scholar8200:
That the fire is not quenched is repeated in Revelation 14:10,11 so is that place also Gehenna?

10 the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Revelation 14:10,11

goodnews201668:


Una don change am again, what of the hellfire or the rich man?
Another hellfire still dey?

Did you not read that Death and Hell were cast into the Lake of Fire? Realise that Hell/Sheol has the bottomless pit (Revelations 9:1,2) as a part.

DoctorAlien:


If the story of Lazarus was talking about the fate of man at death, is Abraham's bosom the destination of the righteous?

Before the resurrection of Christ.

DoctorAlien:


If the story of Lazarus was talking about the righteous and the wicked and their fate at death, and Lazarus is supposedly the righteous man, while the rich man is the wicked:

What in the story shows that Lazarus was righteous? Was he righteous by merely sitting at the rich man's gate everyday?

Lazarus is a begger

psalm 37:25 said the righteous will not beg for food .

Scholar8200:
Why then did the rich man bid Abraham send Lazarus to warn his brothers? ANd even said if that happens his brothers will REPENT!!!
Luke 16:30
And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

So will the righteous and the wicked be communicating in Heaven?

DoctorAlien:


"Upon the wicked He shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest..." Psalm 11:6

Prove that this is relevant to the subject matter of final judgement. And what I rather see here is the event in Revelation 20 then note that there, after the raining, the devil is still cast into the Lake of Fire!!!

Scholar8200:
Before the resurrection of Christ.

Before the resurrection of Christ, Abraham's bosom was the destination of the righteous? Who said so?

So, on whose bosom is Abraham? Is he hanging in the air?

Jozzy4:


another lie

Sheol never means bottomless pit.

its translated pit, grave. never Bottomless pit

Pit is what? And where is the place mentioned in Revelations 9:1,2?

DoctorAlien:


You did not answer the question I asked you!

Meanwhile, What then does Abraham's bosom signify in Jesus' parable?

Was Lazarus transferred from Abraham's bosom to a "final destination" in the story?

That story preceded the resurrection of Christ. In Revelations we read of people in Heaven where God's Throne is and where the River of Life etc is.

DoctorAlien:




Before the resurrection of Christ, Abraham's bosom was the destination of the righteous? Who said so?

So, on whose bosom is Abraham? Is he hanging in the air?

Abel died and go to the bossom of the man Abraham that is not yet born

Scholar8200:
At resurrection, we are raised with an incorruptible, immortal body. See 1 Corinth 15 and 1 Thess 4.

Let us read the account of Lazarus death and resurrection in John 11:23-25.

Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”

24 Martha answered, “I know he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?”

How can one be immortal without Jesus?

Scholar8200:
Prove that this is relevant to the subject matter of final judgement. And what I rather see here is the event in Revelation 20 then note that there, after the raining, the devil is still cast into the Lake of Fire!!!

Is Rev. 20 not the final judgment? Is it the first judgment? If it is not the final judgment, which one is?

goodnews201668:


Stop deceiving yourself there the Bible talks about being resurrected as a spirit, if we are spirits whats the essence of resurrecting people to become spirits again?

Interesting, resurrected as spirits!

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 Corinth 15:51-54

So those who dont sleep will be changed to spirit? Vs 53 shows the change, mortal flesh puts on immortality. NOBODY will be changed to spirit.

Scholar8200:
Pit is what? And where is the place mentioned in Revelations 9:1,2?

greek abyss is different from hebrew sheol.

your case is a typical example of confusion

Scholar8200:
That story preceded the resurrection of Christ. In Revelations we read of people in Heaven where God's Throne is and where the River of Life etc is.

You did not answer my question.

What does Abraham's bosom signify?

Also, does the Bible indicate that the righteous will be transferred from Abraham's bosom to a "final destination"?

DoctorAlien:


But according to you, Jesus was describing the fate of man at death, right?

That discourse preceded His death and resurrection!

DoctorAlien:


You did not answer my question.

What does Abraham's bosom signify?

Also, does the Bible indicate that the righteous will be transferred from Abraham's bosom to a "final destination"?

Those who were martyred in Revelations 6 were not found in Abraham's bosom but in Heaven. The Innumerable company of those redeemed in Revelations 7 were found at the Throne, not Abraham's bosom. Now Bible speaks of the resurrection of saints after Christ resurrected, did they just resurrect and went back to the grave? NO!

Jozzy4:




greek abyss is different from hebrew sheol.

your case is a typical example of confusion

Too bad, abyss is an adjective describing the pit!!!
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9-1.htm

DoctorAlien:


Is Rev. 20 not the final judgment? Is it the first judgment? If it is not the final judgment, which one is?

I meant the part in Revelations 20 where fire will destroy those that try to fight against the camp of the saints, after which follows the Judgement found in Verse 11-15

Scholar8200:
That discourse preceded His death and resurrection!

?

Was Jesus talking about the fate of the dead in the story of Lazarus or not?

Scholar8200:
Too bad, abyss is an adjective describing the pit!!!
http://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9-1.htm

not just an adjective , the pit is the pit of the abyss . not sheol

pit of the Abyss" Rev 9:1

i guess u think the word translated pit in the verse is Sheol .

more lies exposed .

dorox:

Let us read the account of Lazarus death and resurrection in John 11:23-25.

How can one be immortal without Jesus?

Consider that verse 26 and tell me if that refers to physical death bearing in mind that MANY believers, even the apostles died!

Scholar8200:
Those who were martyred in Revelations 6 were not found in Abraham's bosom but in Heaven. The Innumerable company of those redeemed in Revelations 7 were found at the Throne, not Abraham's bosom. Now Bible speaks of the resurrection of saints after Christ resurrected, did they just resurrect and went back to the grave? NO!

What is he saying? The resurrection will be at the last day according to the Bible.

Show us the place where the Bible says the saints will be transferred from Abraham's bosom to another place!

Scholar8200:
Those who were martyred in Revelations 6 were not found in Abraham's bosom but in Heaven. The Innumerable company of those redeemed in Revelations 7 were found at the Throne, not Abraham's bosom. Now Bible speaks of the resurrection of saints after Christ resurrected, did they just resurrect and went back to the grave? NO!

What is he saying? The resurrection will be at the last day according to the Bible.

Show us the place where the Bible says the saints will be transferred from Abraham's bosom to another place!

Scholar8200:
I meant the part in Revelations 20 where fire will destroy those that try to fight against the camp of the saints, after which follows the Judgement found in Verse 11-15

If the fire burns them to ashes, will their ashes be judged or what?

Scholar8200:
Consider that verse 26 and tell me if that refers to physical death bearing in mind that MANY believers, even the apostles died!

Jesus made it quite clear that anyone who died believing in Him will not remain dead forever. He likened it to the temporary unconciousness we have when we fall asleep, because He alone has power over death.
So on the day of resurrection all those who are 'asleep' in Him will be brought back to life like you would wake someone from a deep sleep.

DoctorAlien:


So will the righteous and the wicked be communicating in Heaven?

Abraham's bosom is not heaven.

DoctorAlien:

What is he saying? The resurrection will be at the last day according to the Bible.
Show us the place where the Bible says the saints will be transferred from Abraham's bosom to another place!

Matthew 27:52 read and learn

Jozzy4:

not just an adjective , the pit is the pit of the abyss . not sheol
pit of the Abyss" Rev 9:1
i guess u think the word translated pit in the verse is Sheol .
more lies exposed .

What is the abyss? The pit is one of the synonyms for Sheol!
http://biblehub.com/strongs/hebrew/7585.htm abyss means bottomless, an adjective describing the pit!