TheGoodJoe:


Sorry then. Too much similarities in the argument patterns. Hence you say you are not him, I will accept it.

Look at the current formation of City when we are in possession in the pic below.

Yes there have been football coaching greats but Guardiola takes bits from them.

There is no way Guardiola invented the false 9. It was there for ages. However, he always gives his team tweaks.

Then I will post some of his formations.

He took from these masters and created something new. There was a time he said something similar like he copies the Masters. I think it was when he talked of Bielsa.

So when we talk of Spaletti, Santana, Van Gaal, Cruyff, Michels etc, these men were great but it does not mean Guardiola is a genius. He reinvents great footballing inventions.

tbaba1234:
Kayode has performed well wherever he went. I think he deserves a super eagles shot even if it is a friendly.

TheGoodJoe:


If anyone is arguing blindly, it is you. Is there a competition here to win?

A statement he made that you class winning said Fabregas, Hleb and Rosicky played Tiki Taka as good as anyone.

Is that not a lie? Yet you say winning, arguing blindly.

He is yet to bring the stats that shows his Mustafi is a better passer than Stones. I showed him Jones passing stats last season and until now, he can not back it up.

Apart from Arsenal, who went ten years without a league title, which club will not take $100 million loss to win six titles in one season.

I mean, point out what is blind about my points. When you do call me and give him the winning title.

I do this to understand the game more. I value each others knowledge here. Not to win.

TheGoodJoe:


Do not tell me you are forgiveness. Seriously. Only forgiveness makes me this way.

I will not continue the discussion because I believe you are forgiveness.

If you say you are not, it will be hard for me.

I also believe the person who wrote stop arguing blindly that you won is you.

Forgiveness just vanished.

I also think you are adrainuche and the person who quoted you and said that you are the only person talking sense that Coach Siasia should not carry Mikel.

I sign out. It seems you just derail arguments to call yourself winner.

The similarities are too much to ignore.

CFCman:


Exactly! To put it in perspective, his monthly salary is more than enough to buy million Naira houses in Ikoyi, 60 homes in Enugu, or two mansions in Maitama. You can see why players from UCL teams are willing to move to English teams that won't be featuring in Europe this season It's all about the Benjamins

At a big continental European club, like Barca or Madrid or even Porto, he would likely earn between £15k to £20k/week.

forgiveness:


Bros, that money no reach to buy Land for Ikoyi not talk of flat.

In our eyes na money but the tax and the British standard of living wey go collect dat money nobi 4 here.

The kid get luck not to have chosen Porto else we no go here about am again.

Icon4s:


I also agree Success should be invited. Looking at the fixtures we have ahead in d qualifiers particularly the away games a 4-4-2 May just be too risky. U would often need a robust midfield to Keep the pressure a little away from ur defense. For the game in Lusaka a 4-5-1 May just b a good option for us. In Africa when u play away u should expect fire and brim stone from the home team. Worst still dat we are playing in Ndola, Youande and Algiers. Difficult places to win matches. A crowded midfield usually helps in such situations. When we come back home we can try 4-4-2 if necessary.

Brown Ideye should be kept for now away from the Team. Success should take his place. And Success must not necessarily be a starter for now. The '94 team had super stars on the bench . Nothing wrong in Ighalo and Success being substitutes for Iheanacho.Nothing wrong also with Ahmed Musa going to the bench. We respect some of these mediocre players too much.

I would like a frontline that looks like this:

...............Iheanacho

Moses......Iwobi........Simon/Ezekiel

By the way, have you seen Oshaniwa play of late? What makes you feel he is a better LB option than Echiejile, Madu, Amuzie.

One thing of note is for the first time in a long time team selection was done without sentiments. He selected d best from the available choices.

joseph1013:


[b]You're right. Consider Rooney who earns £200,000-a-week. His tax rate is 45%. So his after-tax Salary is £106,206-a-week. It's even worse in Spain, whose after-tax rate is 52%.

But the argument is that even that money is a big deal. If Kelechi is on £85,000-a-week, and his after-tax salary is £45,000-a-week, that's still some big molla.

And which is why I am left dumbfounded when footballers retire and are in penury, and I see people blaming the FA for not talking care of them. I'm always like WTH? These guys have earned in one month, the salary of a Nigerian in 50 years. Why should it be our business to take care of them when they have earned more than the salaries of our entire generation during their playing career?

PS: If you think I am exaggerating. Kelechi salary after-tax is around £45,000-a-week, that's £180,000-a-month. Using yesterday pound's exchange rate of £ = 525 naira, he is earning 94.5million a month. Let's say an average Nigerian earns 100k naira a month (which is a big lie), he will be earning 1.2million naira a year. 94.5 million divided by 1.2 gives us 78.

In other words, Kelechi is earning in a month what a Nigerian earning 100k a month would earn in 78 years. And an average Nigerian male dies at the age of 52.

I hope this puts things into perspective the next time we hear retired footballers tell us the FA is not taking care of them.[/b]

goldfish80:

I will be making a complete fool of myself if I say Guardiola is not a great football head. My argument has always been that he was a bad man to man manager. You don't have that many running issues with your staff everywhere you go without really asking yourself questions.

Anceloti may not have all the crazy idea Guardiola has but he is a better manager of men. Everywhere he has coached, players have bonded with him. Some Madrid players cried when he left. Ronaldo calls him Teddy bear.
Gatuso, Pirlo, Shevchenko, kaka name them genuinely have mad love for him. Some issues Pep had, Anceloti would have handled them differently.


Do you think Anceloti would have slammed a well decorated senior sports doctor like the manner Guardiola did?

Guardiola is a good coach but he is not god and his words are not Bible like you're making him out to be.

goldfish80:

I will be making a complete fool of myself if I say Guardiola is not a great football head. My argument has always been that he was a bad man to man manager. You don't have that many running issues with your staff everywhere you go without really asking yourself questions.

Anceloti may not have all the crazy idea Guardiola has but he is a better manager of men. Everywhere he has coached, players have bonded with him. Some Madrid players cried when he left. Ronaldo calls him Teddy bear.
Gatuso, Pirlo, Shevchenko, kaka name them genuinely have mad love for him. Some issues Pep had, Anceloti would have handled them differently.


Do you think Anceloti would have slammed a well decorated senior sports doctor like the manner Guardiola did?

Guardiola is a good coach but he is not god and his words are not Bible like you're making him out to be.

tiedee:
goodjoe,learn when to give up. Some fights are not just worth. Anyway you are entitled to your opinion. We talk to pass knowledge to not rub it into other people's face that your opinion is superior to theirs. I salute icon4 on this one. Always with succinct and concise information.

goldfish80:

I will be making a complete fool of myself if I say Guardiola is not a great football head. My argument has always been that he was a bad man to man manager. You don't have that many running issues with your staff everywhere you go without really asking yourself questions.

Anceloti may not have all the crazy idea Guardiola has but he is a better manager of men. Everywhere he has coached, players have bonded with him. Some Madrid players cried when he left. Ronaldo calls him Teddy bear.
Gatuso, Pirlo, Shevchenko, kaka name them genuinely have mad love for him. Some issues Pep had, Anceloti would have handled them differently.


Do you think Anceloti would have slammed a well decorated senior sports doctor like the manner Guardiola did?

Guardiola is a good coach but he is not god and his words are not Bible like you're making him out to be.

goldfish80:

I will be making a complete fool of myself if I say Guardiola is not a great football head. My argument has always been that he was a bad man to man manager. You don't have that many running issues with your staff everywhere you go without really asking yourself questions.

Anceloti may not have all the crazy idea Guardiola has but he is a better manager of men. Everywhere he has coached, players have bonded with him. Some Madrid players cried when he left. Ronaldo calls him Teddy bear.
Gatuso, Pirlo, Shevchenko, kaka name them genuinely have mad love for him. Some issues Pep had, Anceloti would have handled them differently.


Do you think Anceloti would have slammed a well decorated senior sports doctor like the manner Guardiola did?

Guardiola is a good coach but he is not god and his words are not Bible like you're making him out to be.

goldfish80:

I will be making a complete fool of myself if I say Guardiola is not a great football head. My argument has always been that he was a bad man to man manager. You don't have that many running issues with your staff everywhere you go without really asking yourself questions.

Anceloti may not have all the crazy idea Guardiola has but he is a better manager of men. Everywhere he has coached, players have bonded with him. Some Madrid players cried when he left. Ronaldo calls him Teddy bear.
Gatuso, Pirlo, Shevchenko, kaka name them genuinely have mad love for him. Some issues Pep had, Anceloti would have handled them differently.


Do you think Anceloti would have slammed a well decorated senior sports doctor like the manner Guardiola did?

Guardiola is a good coach but he is not god and his words are not Bible like you're making him out to be.

TheGoodJoe:



"Joan Vila, who was my mentor at La Masia, told me: 'Boy, soak up everything you can from Pep,'" Xavi said in the 'Pep' documentary.

"'His first touch, how he turns his head before receiving the ball, when he is under pressure, when he has space, his changes of rhythm, how he uses both feet to control the ball.'"

Guardiola began his coaching career with Barcelona B in the summer of 2007, before taking over the first team the following year.

And it was there that Guardiola first made his impact on the likes of Xavi and Co.

"The first thing I remember him saying as a coach was that he would not tolerate any player not working hard," said Xavi.

"'This is the only thing that I require, that you work hard for the group.' This was a surprise for us. The high pressing was brilliant. It was a real football revolution, a modern kind of football.

"Within a few years, no one played long balls anymore, even Real Madrid changed their style. Pep's first year started this football revolution. We made history. Not just for the victories, but also for the way we played.

"He changed world football. He did not just change Barca, he changed world football. I think he is one of the few people who can change English football."

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10522847/pep-guardiola-is-one-of-the-few-people-who-can-change-english-football-says-xavi-hernandez

Do you think Guardiola could do this by being a poor man manager?

TheGoodJoe:


Look at Pique who was seen as light weight and wack. Guardiola signed him and in less than a year, he was one of the best defenders in the World.

How can you still think Guardiola is a bad man manager?

forgiveness:


Na wa for awa people oooo! Drop Ighalo! Musa na average! Make Ideye no near....! All because of one player!

Even if Ighalo is 2 or 3 season player, wetin be the problem if e play for the season wey em dey inform for us? Abi form dey last forever?

Use it while it last. Chikena!


Come to think of it, Ighalo was surrounded by greedy and selfish players hence the reason he was unable to score against Tanzania. If Moses passed to him on time he for score. If Iheanacho passed to him instead of taking weak shots, Ighalo for score.

Abi una no see how he take control ball for inside post, Con take turn shoot or how he take dribble one player comot to fire shot for post before the witch keeper take catch the ball.

Make una go watch that match again with open heart and una go see wetin em do. Abi una wan make em turn Ronaldo overnight dribble all to score?

Let us wait for Alex Iwobi partnership with Ighalo and una go see the real goal scorer in Ighalo.

Musa mediocre but he was bought by a world class coach and Premier league current Champions. Abassi mbo!

Naija with their love for themselves.....

BascoVanVeli:


Trouble maker u don come back? lol. Everything u said was spot on.

TheGoodJoe:



"Joan Vila, who was my mentor at La Masia, told me: 'Boy, soak up everything you can from Pep,'" Xavi said in the 'Pep' documentary.

"'His first touch, how he turns his head before receiving the ball, when he is under pressure, when he has space, his changes of rhythm, how he uses both feet to control the ball.'"

Guardiola began his coaching career with Barcelona B in the summer of 2007, before taking over the first team the following year.

And it was there that Guardiola first made his impact on the likes of Xavi and Co.

"The first thing I remember him saying as a coach was that he would not tolerate any player not working hard," said Xavi.

"'This is the only thing that I require, that you work hard for the group.' This was a surprise for us. The high pressing was brilliant. It was a real football revolution, a modern kind of football.

"Within a few years, no one played long balls anymore, even Real Madrid changed their style. Pep's first year started this football revolution. We made history. Not just for the victories, but also for the way we played.

"He changed world football. He did not just change Barca, he changed world football. I think he is one of the few people who can change English football."

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10522847/pep-guardiola-is-one-of-the-few-people-who-can-change-english-football-says-xavi-hernandez

Do you think Guardiola could do this by being a poor man manager?

'Guardiola disappointed me because he didn't treat me with respect and it was twice as good when Jupp Heynckes (Bayern coach's before Guardiola) until was there,' Mandzukic said In an interview with Sportske Novosti .
'Would I sit down with Guardiola for a coffee? That is something that's not going to happen.
'In my professional life I don't have to like everyone but if I feel a negative energy coming from a person then I try to avoid them.
'I didn't deserve to be treated like that after giving everything for Bayern for two seasons. I felt that things would change for me just as he

'I struggled to adapt to him but in the end you need both parties to make a success of something.
'I realised there was no future for me there so I resigned myself to leaving the club and had time to choose a new destination.'
Referring to his omission from the 16-man squad for the cup final against Borussia Dortmund, which Bayern won 2-0, Mandzukic added: 'Guardiola decided not to play me because he didn't want me to finish as leading goalscorer, so he did not let me play towards the end of the season.
'It wasn't really important but it did show the lack of respect he had towards me.
'It would have made much more sense if he had told me I didn't fit into his style of play.'

TheGoodJoe:


Guardiola, bad man manager. These are the kind of things you say. You have now jumped to poor man manager.

If nothing else, this season are you not seeing Sterling? Are you not seeing Stones?

This season.

Stones was criticised by Allardyce before Guardiola and Stones started working together. In the last English match, Allardyce said Stones was EXCELLENT.

Then someone tries to associate Guardiola with not being a good man manager.

I first of all reminded Guardiola that he'd never been a great player. He was a good player, that's true. I told him," Eto’o told BeIN Sport.

"As a coach, he had proven nothing. He came in and didn't even know the story of the dressing room.

"Guardiola has never had the courage to say things in front of me. He passed by the players. Xavi told me they wanted me to stay but I had to talk to Pep. I say 'never, if you do not respect me, I do not respect you'.

"Pep told me how to move like a striker. I told him: 'You're not normal!' The true story is that Pep didn't respect the things in football," he added.

TheGoodJoe:



"Joan Vila, who was my mentor at La Masia, told me: 'Boy, soak up everything you can from Pep,'" Xavi said in the 'Pep' documentary.

"'His first touch, how he turns his head before receiving the ball, when he is under pressure, when he has space, his changes of rhythm, how he uses both feet to control the ball.'"

Guardiola began his coaching career with Barcelona B in the summer of 2007, before taking over the first team the following year.

And it was there that Guardiola first made his impact on the likes of Xavi and Co.

"The first thing I remember him saying as a coach was that he would not tolerate any player not working hard," said Xavi.

"'This is the only thing that I require, that you work hard for the group.' This was a surprise for us. The high pressing was brilliant. It was a real football revolution, a modern kind of football.

"Within a few years, no one played long balls anymore, even Real Madrid changed their style. Pep's first year started this football revolution. We made history. Not just for the victories, but also for the way we played.

"He changed world football. He did not just change Barca, he changed world football. I think he is one of the few people who can change English football."

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10522847/pep-guardiola-is-one-of-the-few-people-who-can-change-english-football-says-xavi-hernandez

Do you think Guardiola could do this by being a poor man manager?

Ibrahimovic famously fell out with Guardiola during his short-lived spell at Barcelona, referring to him as a "spineless coward" in his autobiography.

Asked his opinion on Guardiola, who is now in charge at Bayern Munich, Ibrahimovic told CNN: "Whatever happened, as a coach he was fantastic.

"As a person, I have no comments about that. That is something else. He is not a man. There’s nothing more to say."

The Swedish striker contrasted his opinion of Guardiola with that of Carlo Ancelotti - "a fantastic coach ... as a person he was amazing" - and Jose Mourinho, who he called: "The masterbrain, mastermind. He knows what he needs to do to win."

TheGoodJoe:



"Joan Vila, who was my mentor at La Masia, told me: 'Boy, soak up everything you can from Pep,'" Xavi said in the 'Pep' documentary.

"'His first touch, how he turns his head before receiving the ball, when he is under pressure, when he has space, his changes of rhythm, how he uses both feet to control the ball.'"

Guardiola began his coaching career with Barcelona B in the summer of 2007, before taking over the first team the following year.

And it was there that Guardiola first made his impact on the likes of Xavi and Co.

"The first thing I remember him saying as a coach was that he would not tolerate any player not working hard," said Xavi.

"'This is the only thing that I require, that you work hard for the group.' This was a surprise for us. The high pressing was brilliant. It was a real football revolution, a modern kind of football.

"Within a few years, no one played long balls anymore, even Real Madrid changed their style. Pep's first year started this football revolution. We made history. Not just for the victories, but also for the way we played.

"He changed world football. He did not just change Barca, he changed world football. I think he is one of the few people who can change English football."

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10522847/pep-guardiola-is-one-of-the-few-people-who-can-change-english-football-says-xavi-hernandez

Do you think Guardiola could do this by being a poor man manager?

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Pep Guardiola 'was in his own world' at Bayern Munich - Thomas Muller

Bayern Munich forward Thomas Muller has said coach Carlo Ancelotti is closer to the players than his predecessor Pep Guardiola, telling Bild: "Pep was thinking about perfect solutions all day long."

Muller, 26, begins his eighth Bundesliga season with Bayern when the German champions host Werder Bremen on Friday.

Ancelotti is his fourth manager at the club after Louis van Gaal, Jupp Heynckes and Guardiola.

"Ancelotti is a bit closer to the players. Pep was somewhat in his own world," Muller said.

"All day long he'd think about how he could move players by two, three meters in a certain situation on the pitch to find a perfect solution. That was crazy in a positive sense."

He said training under Ancelotti was "fun," adding: "He has a good way of handling players, and I hope that we'll be successful."

TheGoodJoe:



"Joan Vila, who was my mentor at La Masia, told me: 'Boy, soak up everything you can from Pep,'" Xavi said in the 'Pep' documentary.

"'His first touch, how he turns his head before receiving the ball, when he is under pressure, when he has space, his changes of rhythm, how he uses both feet to control the ball.'"

Guardiola began his coaching career with Barcelona B in the summer of 2007, before taking over the first team the following year.

And it was there that Guardiola first made his impact on the likes of Xavi and Co.

"The first thing I remember him saying as a coach was that he would not tolerate any player not working hard," said Xavi.

"'This is the only thing that I require, that you work hard for the group.' This was a surprise for us. The high pressing was brilliant. It was a real football revolution, a modern kind of football.

"Within a few years, no one played long balls anymore, even Real Madrid changed their style. Pep's first year started this football revolution. We made history. Not just for the victories, but also for the way we played.

"He changed world football. He did not just change Barca, he changed world football. I think he is one of the few people who can change English football."

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11679/10522847/pep-guardiola-is-one-of-the-few-people-who-can-change-english-football-says-xavi-hernandez

Do you think Guardiola could do this by being a poor man manager?

ep didn't have a long career as manager," he told Bild. "He is a young coach. He lacks experience. Sometimes he talks too much. Football is very simple."

On Monday, Ribery praised his new coach Carlo Ancelotti, telling kicker: "I'm finally feeling the trust again under Ancelotti. He is a great coach. I'm feeling free and motivated. Ancelotti is a gift for the club."

goldfish80:
TheGoodJoe, I could go on and highlight quotes by Hleb, Fabregas, Bojan, the bayern doctor etc about how bad a man manager our Lord Pep is. But that would not be necessary because I have made my point.
Pep Guardiola is a good coach but a very bad manager of men.
You can imagine what so many other players think about him but haven't gone vocal about it, preferring to keep a low profile. Yaya toure am sure will have choice words to say about him in the days ahead because already his agent I demanding an apology from LORD Pep.

goldfish80:

RRibery thinks Lord Pep talks too much like a girl. Remember, Ibrahimovic in an earlier quote said he is not a man.



Again, he thinks Carlito is a better manager of men like I have earlier suggested.

http://www.espnfc.com/bayern-munich/story/2919266/pep-guardiola-lacks-experience-bayern-munichs-franck-ribery

goldfish80:


Thomas Muller stopped shot of calling our Lord Pep a. douche bag. I heard they often fought in training.



Remarkably, he rates Carlito a better manager of men in the last paragraph.

zicky:
The way @TheGoodjoe portray Guardiola as a superhuman, giving credit to Guardiola for doing nothing

goldfish80:




Ibrahimovic even admits Anceloti was a better man to man manager than our Lord Pep


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/players/zlatan-ibrahimovic/12016727/Zlatan-Ibrahimovic-attacks-Pep-Guardiola-and-refuses-to-rule-out-move-to-Arsenal.html

goldfish80:

Even Eto will disagree that he is a good man manager


http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/6/0/97542/Sports/0/Cameroon-striker-Etoo-slams-disrespectful-Guardiol.aspx