goldfish80:


Quote by Mario mandzukich on our Lord Pep Guardiola. Astonishing to know that pep went out of his way to make sure he didn't end the season as the top scorer. Its very petty of the greatest manager of men. He's like a school girl.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2812699/Pep-Guardiola-disrespectful-deserved-better-insists-Mario-Mandzukic.html

BascoVanVeli:


He sent spies to make sure Pique wasn't partying at night. Pep is a mad scientist lol i love him though, up barca!

goldfish80:


Quote by Mario mandzukich on our Lord Pep Guardiola. Astonishing to know that pep went out of his way to make sure he didn't end the season as the top scorer. Its very petty of the greatest manager of men. He's like a school girl.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2812699/Pep-Guardiola-disrespectful-deserved-better-insists-Mario-Mandzukic.html

BascoVanVeli:


are u saying Pep is "god" he is not saying Pep can't manage Balloteli, all these players have been lauded by other coaches. There is no reason to keep this arguement going.

TheGoodJoe:


Do you have an opinion of yours?

Guardiola changed Lahm from a right back to a defensive midfielder. He did well and the German national team adopted the strategy to the European and World Cup winning German team.

That is one of the reasons I think Guardiola is brilliant.

I said before the Zlatan was not ready for change. I read his comments and in my opinion, if Zlatan listened to Guardiola he would have improved. Those who did like Alaba, Messi, Lahm and Dani Alves improved.

You see my opinion of what Zlatan said.

What is your opinion?

daveP:
Lol


Stones o, Pebble o, Chris Rock o,


all I know is that some very good defenders never get the chance some half-naked defenders get on the world stage.


If Stones give Pep his points then he'll be considered world class of course.


But Leon and Troost

Mainz and Haugesund

Germany and Norway


These two CBs will one day be Africa's best partnership of they are well utilized.

zicky:
keep Alaba and Lahm outside lord Guardiola achievements

TheGoodJoe:


I wonder where you got the idea that I think Pep is a god. I do not and never think he is.

I said he is a genius. A brilliant manager. One of the best in this era. I believe you agree with that.

If Pep was a god, Enrique's Barcelona Will Not defeat Bayern Munich under Guardiola 3-0 in a match.

TheGoodJoe:


So tell me who played Alaba and Lahm in midfield first.

Lordabas:


It was just Tanzania o. A team that only knew how to defend, zero attacking sense. Their partnership is yet to be tested. Even Omeruo and Oboabona will look like top class CBs against them.

BascoVanVeli:

then why are we fussing? That is the exact point the guy is trying to prove to u but u won't give in. Pep is great coach but he has faults.

daveP:
nawa o. we might need a jury to pass a verdict.


But seriously speaking, Based on only Eto's account, I'll agree Pep isn't good one-one with his players.


i'd have imagined what the opinion wouldave been if he came across Jay Jay. But lo, we have him and Nacho, let's see how he treats Nigerians MVP this season.


3leagues have their best players complain of you an d they exit? Boils down to philosophy, but there's a way to impart philosophy and make heroes leave like heroes.

let's see how he treats Nacho, that's my own business for now. If he likes, do whatever he can with Man City, just let's see how Nacho fares.

current status- bench looker. (shrugs) time dey!!!

zicky:
we have always know Alaba n Lahm to be. Versatile, Alaba as the captain of Austria has always played in the midfield for his country, lahm is just like baines of everton looking at them play you know they will be good in midfield

tbaba1234:
I also feel Pep is a bad man manager but he is an exceptional coach that produces results. That covers for his lapses.

Not every player will have the best impression of you but Pep has had too many issues with former players.

tbaba1234:
I also feel Pep is a bad man manager but he is an exceptional coach that produces results. That covers for his lapses.

Not every player will have the best impression of you but Pep has had too many issues with former players.

TheGoodJoe:


I did not see who first played Alaba and Lahm in midfield first in your post.

daveP:
Individually they are good, that's why I use future tense for both of them.

Besides, we can just have attack-minded defenders when we don't have a recovery pattern yet. I'm sure you know they were simply playing to instructions.


They can't just be Puyol, Kosxielny, Pique, John Terry Overnight. Time will tell.

For now, let's appreciate the fact that we weren't subjected to yoboic(hearts in our mouth, blood in our brain) play as we formerly saw.


Ramon Azeez scored@club to remind Iheanacho that twas him that scored that kinda goal first at u-17 world Cup.

TheGoodJoe:


If Guardiola did not want to use Eto'o or Mandzukic and he dropped them. Their murmuring does not show Pep is a bad man manager.

I think it is his work with those he picks to play for him that counts if he is a bad man manager. He did not sign Mandzukic and Mandzukic was not in his plans. Mandzukic feeling bad does not count as bad man management.

goldfish80:


Like in Eto's case he talked to him 3 times throughout the season. In one of those three times, he wanted to tell Eto how to move, he rightly told him to fvck off!

I used to see you as an intelligent guy but am very surprised you're still running with this your line of argument all week. Very shocking.

zicky:
Alaba has always played in midfield for his country even before Guardiola coming, watch the 2013 championship league lahm some times move to the middle. So Guardiola did nothing special on those two players

goldfish80:


Dropping players is not the issue here bit the manner he does that.
You don't avoid talking to someone for a whole year because you want to drop him. Like in Eto's case he talked to him 3 times throughout the season. In one of those three times, he wanted to tell Eto how to move, he rightly told him to fvck off!
Manzukich was the top scorer and champions league winner before he joined, he abruptly stopped talking to him and went out of his way to ensure he does not end the season as the top scorer. You can't be a good manager of men and avoid talking to your wards for whatever reason.

I used to see you as an intelligent guy but am very surprised you're still running with this your line of argument all week. Very shocking.

TheGoodJoe:


I am not begging you to see me as intelligent. Let us discuss the points.

You have your opinion. I can disagree with them but one thing I do not fail to do is tell you why I disagree with them.

Now read the above. He told his coach F-ck off. That says it all. Guardiola studies and as I said, if a player does not fit what he wants, he drops the player. Eto'o was going. The question is why.

From the report above, Guardiola wanted to show him how to move. If Eto'o listened, he would get better but he was not ready to learn. When once Guardiola notices it, he looks for those ready to listen to him and conform.

When he told Messi, stop fatty foods, Messi did. When he told Messi, no more late nights watching Argentine football, Messi did. When he said, Messi I am switching you from a wing striker, Messi did it. When he said, Messi you will eat lots of fish and foods rich in fatty acids, Messi did.

It is not all about talent and history. As I said before, if Zlatan listened to Guardiola, he would have improved.

These guys refused to change and Guardiola's system relies on lots of changes. This season, he started with Fernando and Delph training with the defence. If you can not conform, you go.

zicky:
you keep saying Zlaan would have improved, was he career stagnant or deteriorated after he left Barca, improve as how

TheGoodJoe:


I am not begging you to see me as intelligent. Let us discuss the points.

You have your opinion. I can disagree with them but one thing I do not fail to do is tell you why I disagree with them.

Now read the above. He told his coach F-ck off. That says it all. Guardiola studies and as I said, if a player does not fit what he wants, he drops the player. Eto'o was going. The question is why.

From the report above, Guardiola wanted to show him how to move. If Eto'o listened, he would get better but he was not ready to learn. When once Guardiola notices it, he looks for those ready to listen to him and conform.

When he told Messi, stop fatty foods, Messi did. When he told Messi, no more late nights watching Argentine football, Messi did. When he said, Messi I am switching you from a wing striker, Messi did it. When he said, Messi you will eat lots of fish and foods rich in fatty acids, Messi did.

It is not all about talent and history. As I said before, if Zlatan listened to Guardiola, he would have improved.

These guys refused to change and Guardiola's system relies on lots of changes. This season, he started with Fernando and Delph training with the defence. If you can not conform, you go.

TheGoodJoe:
Last season, Jovetic and Dzeko left Manchester City. Negredo left before. Manchester City signed Bony during the January transfer window.

In the Summer, Pellegrini refused to sign a recognized striker to replace the departed ones and put faith in a Nigerian International Kelechi Iheanacho. Kelechi Iheanacho did not fail Pellegrini after he had the best goal to game ratio in England.

Guardiola is showing the same faith in the Nigerian and the teenage Brazilian sensation Gabriel Jesus. Guardiola opted against Manchester City signing Aubameyang or signing a recognized striker.

This means Iheanacho gets more games at Manchester City with him and Gabriel Jesus who joins in January as the only Center forwards in Manchester City.

cc: BascoVanVeli, Icon4s, tbaba1234, TheSuperNerd, lakesidepapa safarigirl, Joseph1013.

TheGoodJoe:


So tell me who played Alaba and Lahm in midfield first.