spice123:
@4everGod In a layman's understanding it's just like someone saying that he he's not a robber but he gets gift from his known robber friend and even eats part of what he steals and yet says to himself that he does not steal. WHAT AN IRONY! You are an accomplice unknowingly.

We are spiritual beings acting on the instructions of a blessed and all powerful God so we are not laymen! Laymen cannot understand the things of the spirit. If you fail to understand scripture via the spirit of God and choose to be emotional about it hence using head knowledge then I wish you well.

hanity:


Are you telling me A muslim what you saw?when that is how every muslim does myself and family included

He's quite correct. The ram is divided into three parts; one for the family, one for neighbours and non-Muslims, and the third portion for the less-privileged. I still heard it on television this morning during the Ararat broadcast. I don't know about the past sins and and the badluck part though.

Ranchhoddas:
He's quite correct. The ram is divided into three parts; one for the family, one for neighbours and non-Muslims, and the third portion for the less-privileged. I still heard it on television this morning during the Ararat broadcast. I don't know about the past sins and and the badluck part though.

But then the part we keep for ourselves,do we throw that away?Dont we eat that?

hanity:

But then the part we keep for ourselves,do we throw that away?Dont we eat that?

I don't know. Perhaps the ''badluck'' is reserved for the ones you give out. You have not denied the allegation yet. Why is that?

spice123:
@Op It is not only wrong but it's a bad luck to eat it. They actually cast their lots (bad luck and past sins) on the ram before killing it and so if you partake in it,........

hanity:

I wonder if you actually think at all,why would they eat what you said they cast their bad luck and past sins on

spice123:
They don't eat it dear. They prepare it for the general public and reserve a separate ram for themselves. I have seen that myself several times.

hanity:


Are you telling me A muslim what you saw?when that is how every muslim does myself and family included

Ranchhoddas:
He's quite correct. The ram is divided into three parts; one for the family, one for neighbours and non-Muslims, and the third portion for the less-privileged. I still heard it on television this morning during the Ararat broadcast. I don't know about the past sins and and the badluck part though.

@Ranchhoddas your reply shows you don't understand what he says, and you're busy calling it quite right. Its totally wrong. He says we cast our sins before slaughtering it. Which is wrong. We are not idol worshippers rather we call God name, we submit the Animals to him and slaughter it.

Bismillaahi wallaahu ‘Akbar [Allaahumma minka wa laka] Allaahumma taqabbal minnee.

In the Name of Allah, Allah is the Greatest! [Oh Allah, from You and to You.] Oh Allah, accept it from me.

He also alleged that we cast our sins on the ram we share and hide a separate one to eat. Any Ram, in fact any animal you did not kill with Allah's name, you cannot eat it. God doesn't need your meat, HE doesn't need the blood of the Animals. What he need is the faith in your mind that you believe this Ram is God creature and God made me superior to kill it, he subjected the ram to me. If he wishes the Ram will be the one to kill me. Then Allah I submit Your creature (Ram) to you.


Their meat will not reach Allah , nor will their blood, but what reaches Him is piety from you. Thus have We subjected them to you that you may glorify Allah for that [to] which He has guided you; and give good tidings to the doers of good [Quran 22: 37]

My point is there is nothing like separate hidden ram that Allah's name has not been mentioned.

Mode Of Division
It's advisable when you slaughter 1 ram, you divided in to 3. One portion for your neighborhood regardless of who they are etc. The second portion to all the needy, the third portion for yourself. This is only the teaching of the Sunnah not command.

If you eat all the ram without giving it out, your sacrifice is valid

If you give some and keep some, it is still valid

If you dash it all outside, without you eating, it's still valid.


Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.476 Narrated by Salama bin Al Aqua. The Prophet (saws) said: (Of the Sacrifice) eat of it, and feed of it to others, and store of it.

FriendChoice:










@Ranchhoddas your reply shows you don't understand what he says, and you're busy calling it quite right. Its totally wrong. He says we cast our sins before slaughtering it. Which is wrong. We are not idol worshippers rather we call God name, we submit the Animals to him and slaughter it.

Bismillaahi wallaahu ‘Akbar [Allaahumma minka wa laka] Allaahumma taqabbal minnee.

In the Name of Allah, Allah is the Greatest! [Oh Allah, from You and to You.] Oh Allah, accept it from me.

He also alleged that we cast our sins on the ram we share and hide a separate one to eat. Any Ram, in fact any animal you did not kill with Allah's name, you cannot eat it. God doesn't need your meat, HE doesn't need the blood of the Animals. What he need is the faith in your mind that you believe this Ram is God creature and God made me superior to kill it, he subjected the ram to me. If he wishes the Ram will be the one to kill me. Then Allah I submit Your creature (Ram) to you.


Their meat will not reach Allah , nor will their blood, but what reaches Him is piety from you. Thus have We subjected them to you that you may glorify Allah for that [to] which He has guided you; and give good tidings to the doers of good [Quran 22: 37]

My point is there is nothing like separate hidden ram that Allah's name has not been mentioned.

Mode Of Division
It's advisable when you slaughter 1 ram, you divided in to 3. One portion for your neighborhood regardless of who they are etc. The second portion to all the needy, the third portion for yourself. This is only the teaching of the Sunnah not command.

If you eat all the ram without giving it out, your sacrifice is valid

If you give some and keep some, it is still valid

If you dash it all outside, without you eating, it's still valid.


Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.476 Narrated by Salama bin Al Aqua. The Prophet (saws) said: (Of the Sacrifice) eat of it, and feed of it to others, and store of it.

Thank you

Ranchhoddas:
I don't know. Perhaps the ''badluck'' is reserved for the ones you give out. You have not denied the allegation yet. Why is that?

The best reply as being given to you by friendchoice bt if you are still confused then 'm sorry i cnt help your case

FriendChoice:










@Ranchhoddas your reply shows you don't understand what he says, and you're busy calling it quite right. Its totally wrong. He says we cast our sins before slaughtering it. Which is wrong. We are not idol worshippers rather we call God name, we submit the Animals to him and slaughter it.

Bismillaahi wallaahu ‘Akbar [Allaahumma minka wa laka] Allaahumma taqabbal minnee.

In the Name of Allah, Allah is the Greatest! [Oh Allah, from You and to You.] Oh Allah, accept it from me.

He also alleged that we cast our sins on the ram we share and hide a separate one to eat. Any Ram, in fact any animal you did not kill with Allah's name, you cannot eat it. God doesn't need your meat, HE doesn't need the blood of the Animals. What he need is the faith in your mind that you believe this Ram is God creature and God made me superior to kill it, he subjected the ram to me. If he wishes the Ram will be the one to kill me. Then Allah I submit Your creature (Ram) to you.


Their meat will not reach Allah , nor will their blood, but what reaches Him is piety from you. Thus have We subjected them to you that you may glorify Allah for that [to] which He has guided you; and give good tidings to the doers of good [Quran 22: 37]

My point is there is nothing like separate hidden ram that Allah's name has not been mentioned.

Mode Of Division
It's advisable when you slaughter 1 ram, you divided in to 3. One portion for your neighborhood regardless of who they are etc. The second portion to all the needy, the third portion for yourself. This is only the teaching of the Sunnah not command.

If you eat all the ram without giving it out, your sacrifice is valid

If you give some and keep some, it is still valid

If you dash it all outside, without you eating, it's still valid.


Sahih Al-Bukhari Hadith 7.476 Narrated by Salama bin Al Aqua. The Prophet (saws) said: (Of the Sacrifice) eat of it, and feed of it to others, and store of it.

So what is wrong with my comment?

hanity:

The best reply as being given to you by friendchoice bt if you are still confused then 'm sorry i cnt help your case

Sorry this method does not work with me. You have still not denied his allegations. Suspicious.

Ranchhoddas:
Sorry this method does not work with me. You have still not denied his allegations. Suspicious.

Allow him. don't reply him. He has seen everything. Nothing like hidden meat or Ram and I explain it clearly. Just leave the companion of fool.

FriendChoice:


Allow him. don't reply him. He has seen everything. Nothing like hidden meat or Ram and I explain it clearly. Just leave the companion of fool.

Like I care...

4everGod:


OP as a believer there is nothing wrong with eating it! The bible says that we can eat even those things offered to idols but we should give thanks to almighty God for it. However this is for a grounded believer who lives by faith and not fear.

A young believer with doubts shouldnt do so and also a mature believer should not eat it in the presence of an immature believer who still believes that its not right to eat it.....this is for the sake of his faith.

Every food or animal comes from God so be they from Native doctors, juju worshippers, muslims etc feel free to eat if you are spiritually matured to do so. Afterall how would they accept you or your message when you reject their hospitality?

God bless you.

God bless you so much.Obviously you are not one of so many Christians whose knowledge of the bible is limited to what their pastor say on Sunday.

You infidels christians will never learn to stay in your place..anyway the muslims shall leave a part of their salah meat meant for infidels as offering.

As for me, I'll enjoy my salah meat...

realmindz:
You infidels christians will never learn to stay in your place..anyway the muslims shall leave a part of their salah meat meant for infidels as offering.

As for me, I'll enjoy my salah meat...

Are you a Muslim. If yes something is wrong with you. For every non Muslim is a potential Muslim. Allow them to ask.

spice123:
@Op It is not only wrong but it's a bad luck to eat it. They actually cast their lots (bad luck and past sins) on the ram before killing it and so if you partake in it,........

balash maclatunji and other nairaland muslims. pls come clarify this, is it true that u guys reserve a certain part of the ram for infidels as sin offering?

realmindz:

balash maclatunji and other nairaland muslims. pls come clarify this, is it true that u guys reserve a certain part of the ram for infidels as sin offering?

It's a very simple response? How on earth are we supposed to keep part of ram that we also eat for offerings? Have you ever heard someone who poisoned his friends food and also ate from it?

spice123:
They don't eat it dear. They prepare it for the general public and reserve a separate ram for themselves. I have seen that myself several times.

You are a pathetic liar, what do you people gain in been so stupid atimes? Ram that the least is 50k I will not buy 50k ram share and anoda 50k ram to eat alone, you see say you dey stupid abi?

Na people like you people in your neighbourhood don't even bother giving you share of meat at all whilst your pain. Silly buffon

balash:


You are a pathetic liar, what do you people gain in been so stupid atimes? Ram that the least is 50k I will not buy 50k ram share and anoda 50k ram to eat alone, you see say you dey stupid abi?

Na people like you people in your neighbourhood don't even bother giving you share of meat at all whilst your pain. Silly buffon

I can really see that the truth hurts so bad. May God have mercy on you.

Ranchhoddas:
I don't know. Perhaps the ''badluck'' is reserved for the ones you give out. You have not denied the allegation yet. Why is that?

What allegation? According to the rulings, you are supposed to give ram out raw immediately you kill and skin them and portions you talking about is wrong, there are no 3 different portions it's very simple, list out people you want to give meat to that you know they don't have means to kill as well, if I give a certain portion of meat to David individually and I remember Iya Nkechi and her 3 children and Papa Nkechi would you expect me to give them the same portion I gave David? That's where the portions are choosed that you heard.

It's like it should be circulated in a way you don't give people that wouldn't be satisfied with the gift and it has never been byforce, if I send to you and you don't partake in eating you are free to return 'free meat' since you not hungry.

balash:



Don't run Idiot, counter my claims instead.. Pathetic Liar

I only wish you what you wish me. Clearly you're being indoctrinated. Lolsssss

spice123:
I only wish you what you wish me. Clearly you're being indoctrinated. Lolsssss

Get a life and stop been a liar..

balash:


Get a life and stop been a liar..

it's being a liar and not been a liar brother. Stop acting like a kid. I've seen your texts (proved no point anyway) so why the stress? If I don't see you text after now, then I'll know that you're wise. If not, then.......

spice123:
it's being a liar and not been a liar brother. Stop acting like a kid. I've seen your texts (proved no point anyway) so why the stress? If I don't see you text after now, then I'll know that you're wise. If not, then.......

Being* was obviously a spell check issues

My problem with u was your claims that you 'saw' and assumed immediately and you still went ahead to criticize and condemn without proof, isn't that just outrightly kiddish of you..

Ranchhoddas:
Sorry this method does not work with me. You have still not denied his allegations. Suspicious.

Keep on being suspicious,you must have been deceived by nearly everybody you know one planet earth that is why u'll keep on getting suspicious

what if dem sell inside food for u for buka unknowingly....

greatwhite:
It is wrong

Bigot


What makes it wrong?

Thank u preachers of the bible. I am not eating.

If they give you eat it. Nothing wrong with it

[quote author=Tpave post=49245037]Just asking cos somebody asked me this question this morning and I decided to bring it to the forum. [/lol....why not. They are just serving meat and moreover the ram meat is even sweeter]

U may eat anytin, as long as its not monkey.....

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4everGod:



There is no confusion there....its simply a difference in spiritual maturity. I am spiritually mature and have been eating it and preaching to them at the same time especially since my Bible tells me to eat it freely and enjoy it too.

The other person may just not be a mature believer yet so do not call it confusion....afterall a baby must crawl before it can run and jump but both the one crawling and the one jumping are still both people.

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Nonsense