Walphem:
Today's Nigeria economy is really becoming uninteresting and a bit sickening, this has made me ponder so much and left me totally confused. I have asked myself what are the roles of today's believers? Joseph was a man that God used to plan for the raining days of a country and he saved an entire country and his family from Famine. Jesus Christ fed 5000 women, and performed lot of miracles. With these and many more I am totally convinced that the church is fully Empowered to solve the present predicament Nigeria is in.

Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate the efforts of various churches in organizing leadership and empowerment seminars eg Daystar Leadership conference, Convent Centre's -The Platform, RCCG Conventions, Winners' Shiloh, TREM's Kingdom Life Conference etc. However, what the country need from the church at this point is way beyond that.
All through the remaining period of the year, October, November, Decemeber churches will be filled up with Church goers praying to close the year 2016 strongly and start the year 2017 in a much better way! And believe me the church gives so much hope to those with faith and believes! After this Hope, Faith and Believe what more? Empowerment seminars and Leadership trainings? Is that enough? No that isn't enough! We need churches that can use its might to solve particular problem(s) of the country.

I remember few years ago Daystar came up with a project to ensure Nigerians enjoy constant power supply, but we never heard about the campaign anymore. We have also heard of Pastors vying for political positions to assist in solving the national problems, what a fantastic step,however the Bible clearly identify to us not to " yoke with unbelievers".

Then how do I want the church to be a game changer? It is simple, why can't we have one or 2 churches going into mainstream agriculture as part of their missionary work, most of them raise funds for missionary works outside the country with minimal or no ROI(mind you I know it is not meant for profit) , but it is long overdue for the big churches to start venturing in solving real life problems and not "educational" problems alone.

It is worthy to note that great professionals are "church goers" and they can give their services to churches on Pro bono, with this churches can have an industry of their choice for the purpose of solving problems.

The time has come to not only buy Private jets (in dollars and putting pressure on the Forex) importing church equipment in Billions of Naira etc

We can truly show the world "how missionary work can be done" not just by opening schools alone and the graduate of the schools not even having any paid employment.

I have a strong feeling that the church has the right solution to Nigeria's problems.

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Caveat: I am just a concerned Nigerian and a Christian, thread isn't for insults but to discuss how we can get Nigeria out of this mess

pring:
All we get is the opposite.
Do u know that government issues pastors license to preach the word of God?
As in a certificate?
If u kn this, u will not expect anything good from churches.
They are the same, When last did u hear a pastor say bad about a government?
Has VP pastor Osibanjo contributed anything meaningful since he came in?
For me,
Religion is an arm of government.
And again, People mostly go to church for deliverance and miracles when thing are not going well with them.
The wealthy dont go to church to sow seed n tithe, its only d poor because they expect more.
In Europe n US, people think less about churches because they are not suffering like most African.

Your submission is good, however, the church were one of the organization that brought Education to us, and I am quite convinced, Education has a lot of positive sides, we can have a "local" solution to our problem. We can do this together

Demigods666:
Trash!

What has this fake religion done for us? Look around look at the foreigners they know the truth www.exposingchristianity.com is the reason why they have progressed right from time. They know this xtianity was all a scan and you gullible ones will never learn. But I pray you do.

Greatzeus:

Good write up,God bless you.
But if churches should do as you said and invest in Agriculture, it is these same Nigerians and mostly Christians that will say they are business men not true men of God. Some will even want the Agricultural products to be distributed free,the way they are clamouring for church schools to be free.

felaismyhero:
i visited the site and i noticed that most of the quotes are largely from d old testament or jewish texts that xtians dnt accept.not much from the new testament.and it mentioned occultism as being a form of 'spiritual truth',my question is must we really believe in anything?,cant they all be misleading?

mrvitalis:
Bro if we tax all religious outfit revenue we as a country will get over 5 trillion per year... This will bridge budget deficit and end recession

otokx:
In the past, the best hospitals and schools were owned and run by churches who charged next to nothing for quality service.

The beneficiaries was not restricted to church members or fellow Christians but every human being who walked into the premises.

Nowadays it is a totally different ball game strictly for the rich with some phantom scholarships.

Bollinger:


You are confusing revenue with utilization. Have you forgotten that Nigeria is abundant with oil? It does not matter how much you can make. What matters is how you use it. Nigeria is one of the most corrupt countries in the world and because of that it is doomed. Even if the streets were littered with gold, Nigeria would still be poor because it's people are inherently corrupt. Ask yourself why countries like Germany and Japan who don't have oil prosper.

mrvitalis:

Seriously u no nothing about the oil sector. .. we might have some crude oil but we are not producing enough with respect to our population. .

What do u think the minister of petroleum has been flying all over the world to do??

U think having oil the main thing? Making an oil well produce is the main thing bro and it takes billions of dollars which we dont have to spare


Whata our revenue?? Below 50 billion dollars.. For a country of 180 million people thats small bro.. That's small..

Bollinger:


You still did not understand my point. Nigeria has everything it needs to be probably the wealthiest country in the world. Population, landmass, minerals, etc and yet it's people are no better than beggars. Even if you tax churches, how will the funds be used? It won't because it would siphoned of into the pockets of corrupt Nigerians. Fix corruption first and everything aelse will follow. Nigerians don't fully comprehend how horrible corruption is in Nigeria. You need to go live in another society for a while and you will understand. In 20 years, i have not had to bribe anyone to get anything done. By Nigeria's standards, that is impossible.

mrvitalis:

Bro do u think we are mpre corrupt than the Arab nations or Americans?? Or Chinese or Brazilians or Italians or French??

Our major problem is that we dont generate enough revenue. .. we can only have inflated project prices but there is a limit

Walphem:
Today's Nigeria economy is really becoming uninteresting and a bit sickening, this has made me ponder so much and left me totally confused. I have asked myself what are the roles of today's believers? Joseph was a man that God used to plan for the raining days of a country and he saved an entire country and his family from Famine. Jesus Christ fed 5000 women, and performed lot of miracles. With these and many more I am totally convinced that the church is fully Empowered to solve the present predicament Nigeria is in.

Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate the efforts of various churches in organizing leadership and empowerment seminars eg Daystar Leadership conference, Convent Centre's -The Platform, RCCG Conventions, Winners' Shiloh, TREM's Kingdom Life Conference etc. However, what the country need from the church at this point is way beyond that.
All through the remaining period of the year, October, November, Decemeber churches will be filled up with Church goers praying to close the year 2016 strongly and start the year 2017 in a much better way! And believe me the church gives so much hope to those with faith and believes! After this Hope, Faith and Believe what more? Empowerment seminars and Leadership trainings? Is that enough? No that isn't enough! We need churches that can use its might to solve particular problem(s) of the country.

I remember few years ago Daystar came up with a project to ensure Nigerians enjoy constant power supply, but we never heard about the campaign anymore. We have also heard of Pastors vying for political positions to assist in solving the national problems, what a fantastic step,however the Bible clearly identify to us not to " yoke with unbelievers".

Then how do I want the church to be a game changer? It is simple, why can't we have one or 2 churches going into mainstream agriculture as part of their missionary work, most of them raise funds for missionary works outside the country with minimal or no ROI(mind you I know it is not meant for profit) , but it is long overdue for the big churches to start venturing in solving real life problems and not "educational" problems alone.

It is worthy to note that great professionals are "church goers" and they can give their services to churches on Pro bono, with this churches can have an industry of their choice for the purpose of solving problems.

The time has come to not only buy Private jets (in dollars and putting pressure on the Forex) importing church equipment in Billions of Naira etc

We can truly show the world "how missionary work can be done" not just by opening schools alone and the graduate of the schools not even having any paid employment.

I have a strong feeling that the church has the right solution to Nigeria's problems.

[b][/b]
Caveat: I am just a concerned Nigerian and a Christian, thread isn't for insults but to discuss how we can get Nigeria out of this mess

Bollinger:


Again you do not understand. Every country has crime. No country is immune. The difference is the magnitude and percentage. Let me break it down for you so you will understand.

1. I don't have to bribe people who provide electricity for me.

2. No tout stops me at a bus station to give him something.

3. No policeman stops me to collect bribe.

4. If you are arrested for any reason, you don't pay bail in police stations

5. Customs officials don't search you at airport and start asking you to give them something.

Etc.

To you this may be small differences but i assure it is huge. No country can function with one or all of these things happening frequently in it's society. I tell you, Nigerians don't understand the full extent as how corruption has damaged the country.

Walphem:
Today's Nigeria economy is really becoming uninteresting and a bit sickening, this has made me ponder so much and left me totally confused. I have asked myself what are the roles of today's believers? Joseph was a man that God used to plan for the raining days of a country and he saved an entire country and his family from Famine. Jesus Christ fed 5000 women, and performed lot of miracles. With these and many more I am totally convinced that the church is fully Empowered to solve the present predicament Nigeria is in.

Please don't get me wrong, I appreciate the efforts of various churches in organizing leadership and empowerment seminars eg Daystar Leadership conference, Convent Centre's -The Platform, RCCG Conventions, Winners' Shiloh, TREM's Kingdom Life Conference etc. However, what the country need from the church at this point is way beyond that.
All through the remaining period of the year, October, November, Decemeber churches will be filled up with Church goers praying to close the year 2016 strongly and start the year 2017 in a much better way! And believe me the church gives so much hope to those with faith and believes! After this Hope, Faith and Believe what more? Empowerment seminars and Leadership trainings? Is that enough? No that isn't enough! We need churches that can use its might to solve particular problem(s) of the country.

I remember few years ago Daystar came up with a project to ensure Nigerians enjoy constant power supply, but we never heard about the campaign anymore. We have also heard of Pastors vying for political positions to assist in solving the national problems, what a fantastic step,however the Bible clearly identify to us not to " yoke with unbelievers".

Then how do I want the church to be a game changer? It is simple, why can't we have one or 2 churches going into mainstream agriculture as part of their missionary work, most of them raise funds for missionary works outside the country with minimal or no ROI(mind you I know it is not meant for profit) , but it is long overdue for the big churches to start venturing in solving real life problems and not "educational" problems alone.

It is worthy to note that great professionals are "church goers" and they can give their services to churches on Pro bono, with this churches can have an industry of their choice for the purpose of solving problems.

The time has come to not only buy Private jets (in dollars and putting pressure on the Forex) importing church equipment in Billions of Naira etc

We can truly show the world "how missionary work can be done" not just by opening schools alone and the graduate of the schools not even having any paid employment.

I have a strong feeling that the church has the right solution to Nigeria's problems.

[b][/b]
Caveat: I am just a concerned Nigerian and a Christian, thread isn't for insults but to discuss how we can get Nigeria out of this mess

Bollinger:


You still did not understand my point. Nigeria has everything it needs to be probably the wealthiest country in the world. Population, landmass, minerals, etc and yet it's people are no better than beggars. Even if you tax churches, how will the funds be used? It won't because it would siphoned of into the pockets of corrupt Nigerians. Fix corruption first and everything else will follow. Nigerians don't fully comprehend how horrible corruption is in Nigeria. You need to go live in another society for a while and you will understand. In 20 years, i have not had to bribe anyone to get anything done. By Nigeria's standards, that is impossible.

mrvitalis:

What u wish for can't be possible in any nation...
Why people go for higher revenue is so that even if they steal enough will be left to still provide for the people

What do u think America is doing with over 500bn dollars as u yearly defence budget and yet cant defeat Russia with only 90 billion dollars... ..

Bro 50 billion dollars is not enough revenue... If we have a revenue of 200 billion dollars even if they steal 100bn we will still have good 100bn to spend on the the country and the impact will be felt

AquaCancerian:
Astute @emboldened.

The question is, how do we go about doing that?

soulpeppersoup:


What stop mosques or traditional religion from doing what you saying but it be the church or don't they have members?

Johncuppa:

You won't believe I've shed tears on this. I thought it was just my own opinion and may be I was wrong.
Now that I saw this, I am relieved. May be God is putting this yearning in us when He is ready to fill the ditches.
However, don't always think God must use the entire body of Christ. May be you and I are even the interest of God. God is capable of saving a nation with just a man.
May God gives us #thjosephs, #thedaniels, #thenehemiahs , #theesthers IJN

soulpeppersoup:


What stop mosques or traditional religion from doing what you saying but it be the church or don't they have members?

Greatzeus:

Good write up,God bless you.
But if churches should do as you said and invest in Agriculture, it is these same Nigerians and mostly Christians that will say they are business men not true men of God. Some will even want the Agricultural products to be distributed free,the way they are clamouring for church schools to be free.