Walphem:


Sir or ma, can we meet? Is it possible for you to send a PM To me, I am a "nobody" but someone that has fire for God and humanity

Myself too but God is not interested in our nobody, most of those He uses are nobody, in fact they are mostly slaves when God used them. Think of Joseph in Egypt, Daniel, Esther and Nehemiah.
I will do.

Ramon92:
Tell them to pay taxes..

It is not just about taxes...i am sure you pay tax, Are you ok with what past and present leaders have used your taxes? We need much more than just paying taxes to enrich s one folks

Bollinger:


Again you do not understand. Every country has crime. No country is immune. The difference is the magnitude and percentage. Let me break it down for you so you will understand.

1. I don't have to bribe people who provide electricity for me.

2. No tout stops me at a bus station to give him something.

3. No policeman stops me to collect bribe.

4. If you are arrested for any reason, you don't pay bail in police stations

5. Customs officials don't search you at airport and start asking you to give them something.

Etc.

To you this may be small differences but i assure it is huge. No country can function with one or all of these things happening frequently in it's society. I tell you, Nigerians don't understand the full extent as how corruption has damaged the country.

I love ur reply here it is corruption that is stopinh us from moving forward in this country.even in the church there is politics and corruption. D almighty God will help us ooo.

Weselion:
If they go into agriculture like you rightly said, Nigerians will want to enjoy the proceeds for free. They will tell you it is their money the church used to build the farm etc

hope u know that there will be job creation and food security hmmm. At least a lot of unemployed graduate will be empowered through the program. Not agriculture only there are job creation too in ict, and establishing industries and factories that will employ d unemployed graduates. for example a private university(babcock university) in ogun state produce wheat bread and sell it out to our supermarkets like shoprite and other stores.

wirinet:


And how are all the points you raised going to help solve Nigeria's economic challenges?

Work hard in your vocation e.g. as a civil servant you are productive and incorruptible and so if you're a business owner. Obey rules and regulations etc

If each person does this Nigeria gradually gets better. No single individual or group will get it done. Government is the main driver.

oneolajire:
I wrote this in July. Also made this thread on Nairaland. This is long overdue.

Titled "time for religious organisations to invest in agriculture"

http://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2016/07/19/time-for-religious-organisations-to-invest-in-agriculture/

Kudos to OP

Great piece...our minds reasoned along the same line
...how can we push this? I really don't want us to just "rant" in the internet...but to forge and solve this persistent issue in the country

SAINTHUD:
Recent events in the Church have generated
social fervor about the lifestyles of men of
the robe and the governance structure of the
Church in Nigeria, in particular the
Pentecostal hue. This is as expected because
the funding profile of the Church is
primarily derived from contributions from
congregants. There is a lot of angst out there
because Nigerians are experiencing economic
hardship. This provides some of the
context for the public backlash. However we
risk throwing out the baby with the
bathwater if our passion becomes a raging
flood that sweeps away reason and
structural facts.
Are there excesses in the church? No doubt.
The eco-system is imperfect for the simple
reason that Pastors are men afterall. And the
operations of some snake oil merchants
have only served to compound issues. There
are now magicians in robes, economic
opportunists in cassocks, ecclesiastical
predators in surplices and charlatans in
collars.
But there are also genuine men of God and
ministries, thousands upon thousands of
them.
The spectrum of the Church in Nigeria
consists of orthodox churches, evangelicals,
pentecostal institutional and pentecostal
independents. Methodist Church is orthodox,
ECWA is evangelical, the Redeemed Christian
Church of God, Deeper Life Bible
Church and the Assemblies of God are
pentecostal institutional, whilst Daystar
Christian Centre is a pentecostal independent.
The Orthodox Church establishment laid the
foundation for modern Nigeria. They are
the offshoots of missionary work. They
educated the people we now refer to as the
founding fathers of the federation. They
established the first set of hospitals and
schools in Nigeria. Methodist Boys’ High
School, Baptist Academy and Our Lady of
Apostles Grammar School are well known
examples of schools established by
missionaries.
It was the Church that educated the first set
of civil servants in Nigeria. And the Church
has always been at the nexus of cultural re-
orientation in Nigeria. Who can ever forget
the work of Mary Slessor, the diminutive
nurse who fought against the barbaric culture
of the killing of twins? And so when we chant
about the “labour of our heroes past,” we
must not forget that some of these heroes
are the missionaries and the orthodox
establishments.
Now we do not know why but clearly, God
raised a generational stream of young men
and women to build on the foundational work
of the orthodox churches. The work
began with the establishment of the Scripture
Union (S.U or C.U – Christian Union) in
primary and secondary schools. From that
movement emerged the generation of those
who now head the Pentecostal institutional
churches today, in particular the
unassuming Pastor Enoch Adeboye and the
self effacing Pastor William F. Kumuyi.
Incidentally both attended The Apostolic Faith
before fate directed their trajectories.
Both are very well educated. Pastor Adeboye
has a PhD in Applied Mathematics whilst
Pastor Kumuyi has a first class honours
degree in Mathematics. At the time of their
ascendance, the “faith movement” was taking
root in America and this spawned the
ministries of the late Archbishop Benson
Idahosa, Bishop David Oyedepo and Pastor
Ayo Oritsejafor. We must also note the great
work of a little known Englishman who
settled in Ile Ife, the late Pa Elton. He would
be responsible for the mentoring of the next
ministerial generation and the establishment
of Pentecostal doctrine in Nigeria.
However something major took place in the
early 80s. A then unknown medical student
at the University of Lagos was ordained a
Pastor by the Assemblies of God Church.
This was an extremely radical event 30 years
ago. His name is Dr. Tunde Joda of the
Christ Chapel fame. He was a product and
proponent of the Faith Movement and was
highly influenced by the ministries of Rev.
Kenneth E. Hagin and Kenneth Copeland. He
opened the door for his generation and made
God exciting to young people. That was
a generational advent and invariably
members of that generation became Pastors.
Because of the educational background of the
generation, the Pentecostal movement
acquired sophistication. The emergent
Pastors are generally creative in approach,
aggressive, uninhibited and resourceful. Many
emerged through the “model parish”
structure of the Redeemed Christian Church
of God. Dr. Tony Rapu would prove pivotal
to that structure though there is evidence to
the effect that Pastor Tunde Bakare was
perhaps the first model parish Pastor. That
was before he went on to found the Latter
Rain Assembly.
Some in that generation are now in full time
ministry but many maintain a dualism – they
work as professional managers and
entrepreneurs whilst running the churches on
a full
term basis. (Some are in government). And so
we arrived at a literal prophetic era in
Nigeria church history – the era of the order
of priest-kings technically known as the
Order of Melchizedek. All Christians belong to
this Order but these young Pastors in
dual callings typify the Order. Most are
successful in their secular callings and it
would
be uncharitable to assume that they went into
ministry for money. Most do not collect
salaries from their churches. Instead they
contribute. These emergent Pastors signified
a generational move of God. The generation is
noted for “speaking in tongues” – a
peculiar glossolalia dating back to Pentecost.
They are thus referred to as
“Pentecostals”. (In modern parlance, the term
“Pentecostal” has come to signify
exuberant loud worship and gifted oratory).
They redefined what a man of God is and
till today, the redefinition presents a
challenge to society. So aggressive are
members
of this Pentecostal movement that in a
strange twist of fate, they exported
Christianity
back to the UK. And they have established
churches in Ukraine, Ireland, America and
more.
Nigeria as a nation has no social security
system. The absence of social net is why
individuals take care of the economic needs
of their parents in old age. This familial
approach to social security leaves huge
swaths of needy citizens unattended to. Into
this void has stepped the Church. The Church
complements the efforts of some State
governments who clearly cannot cope with
the deluge of developmental challenges
facing Nigeria. And the Pentecostal generation
has acquitted itself wonderfully at this
task.
Let’s be more particular. Pastor Taiwo
Odukoya, a man of grace runs The Fountain
of
Life Church. It has a hospital, an orphanage, a
school for the indigent and orphans and
a vocational farm. Pastor Ituah Ighodalo, the
founder of Trinity House supports indigent
students with scholarships. His Lydia Grace
Foundation supports the rehabilitation of
lower class prostitutes, among so many other
initiatives. Pastor Tony Rapu, the Pastor
of This Present House runs one of the most
successful drug rehabilitation programmes
through the Freedom Foundation network.
Pastor Poju Oyemade organises a hugely
successful bi-annual youth empowerment
seminar called The Platform.
Rev. Sam Adeyemi, a gentleman of the robe
runs Daystar Christian Centre. His Church
has a community impact programme and has
renovated 5 State schools, among so
many other programmes. He is particularly
noted for leadership training. Pastor Paul
Adefarasin of the House on the Rock Church
hosts an annual cultural impact
programme called The Experience. It is a
major engagement platform for youths
through music. The City of David, a Redeemed
Church parish runs a most successful
soccer academy and acclaimed football club,
COD United FC. These are just a few
examples of what these particular ministries
are engaged in and space will not permit
us to name the works of so many other
ministries. Many church ministries run
schools,
hospitals, orphanages, sex worker
rehabilitation programmes, drug
rehabilitation
programmes, community development
programmes and youth development
programmes. By the time we scale up to the
network of Redeemed Christian Church of
God and the like, the exponential value of
Church ministries becomes staggering in
proportion. The Catholic Church is
responsible for the establishment of a post
graduate
university, the Pan African University. That
university has taken up a major responsibility
for skill development in the private sector.
The Church also founded Loyola Jesuit
Secondary School. Even the much maligned
Bishop David Oyedepo founded two
universities! No other Nigerian, living or dead
has accomplished such feat as far as we
know. Invariably almost every church has
bent its back to carry the burden of the State
and it’s a huge burden.
A wholesale condemnation of the Church is
not helpful. The Church through its
programs saves Nigeria from the
consequences of its dereliction in governance.
Perhaps there is a need for a compendium of
the good works by churches that is
accessible to the general public. The Church
essentially aggregates resources to
create a social security net for Nigeria.
Otherwise we will have more drug addicts,
prostitutes, orphans, hapless widows and
certainly more crime. We will also have less
kids in school, less young men acquiring trade
skills, less micro-financing of small
businesses, and less value orientation and
instruction for our youths.
At the heart of the ongoing debate is the
nature of church economics. Why do people
give to churches in such huge figures? Why
would a Pastor take money from the poor?
To the man looking from the outside those
giving ten percent of their salaries are either
gullible or hypnotized. But the notion of giving
is a fundamental of the Christian faith.
Jesus said, “Give and it shall be given unto
you”. Apostle Paul wrote, “He who sows
sparingly will also reap sparingly, and he who
sows bountifully will also reap bountifully.
So let each one give as he purposes in his
heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for
God loves a cheerful giver. (2 Cor 9: 6 – 7).
Giving in Christianity is predicated on the
principle of sowing and reaping. And giving is
a socio-economic ladder according to
Christian doctrine. It is also proof of love for
God. It is within this context that we can
understand why the poor give to churches.
The poor man’s faith teaches him to give his
way out of poverty, though we must admit
that the role of industry is sometimes
neglected in teachings. There are perversions
of the doctrine of giving but that does not
make the doctrine any less fundamental.
Now, unlike some religions, Christianity runs
an economic commonwealth when it
comes to institutional development and
building programs. Everyone contributes to
the
commonwealth. And the value of a gift before
God is relative to deprivation. That would
seem heartless to the outsider and some will
consider it exploitative, but the story of
Elijah and the widow of Zarephath is a
wonderful illustration of the dynamics of
giving to
a man of God (or church ministry) in an
economic downturn. And the parable of the
widow’s mite establishes the principle of
relative deprivation as a measure of value.
That said, it must be mentioned that the
Church has oft times operated with a silo
mentality. There has to be better engagement
between the Church and civil society. In
addition, a peer-to-peer review system must
be instituted. If the Pastors judge
themselves they will escape condemnation.
Some advocate state interference in
religious affairs. Regulating the Church
sounds okay in theory but it can prove a very
dangerous idea in a tri-religious society like
Nigeria. Not with all the goings on. And we
may have a peculiar situation of a man of
different faith sitting in judgment over
Christian economics without doctrinal
understanding and vice versa. We must not
rush
us into dangerous territory. As we shall soon
discover, this obviously targeted
regulation will create inconsistencies and
challenges as we seek to apply it across all
religious boards. But the Church has to
recognize that society has significantly
altered,
and for many Nigerians it is the one true
institution.
This is my humble contribution to the ongoing
debate.

What a piece...I agree with the part of properly getting a compendium of what churches have done and still doing, however we need a real paradigm shift into the real basic problems along side the CSR projects they are involved in

@Sainthud, I, personally, I'm not in any way condemning or discrediting the Church. But I'm of opinion that God is navigating another path, probably, leading to the next revival which might not be through any movement, neither from any pulpit nor through any man of God but God Himself raising for Himself- living stones from every denomination for the manifestation of the sons and the building of the Kingdom of God through influence- #ministryofinfluence from every walk of life. And as a result, God is putting this craving and hunger in us. Shalom!

Walphem:


As I rightly said I am a Christian, and a Nigerian, someone else from the Muslim side or traditionalist can also champion this

Being a Christian is not a ground to champion a course for the Christian family if it is not to include the Muslims.

Better still go start a church and drive your vision if you believe on church can achieve what you have in.

Johncuppa:

No sir, we claim to be the salt and the light. Let's therefore proof what we've been claiming

Then start and stop looking for who to do the job for you or are you not a salt of the earth too?

If only on church platform you can achieve it, then start a church. Stop shifting responsibility.

Johncuppa:
@Sainthud, I, personally, I'm not in any way condemning or discrediting the Church. But I'm of opinion that God is navigating another path, probably, leading to the next revival which might not be through any movement, neither from any pulpit nor through any man of God but God Himself raising for Himself- living stones from every denomination for the manifestation of the sons and the building of the Kingdom of God through influence- #ministryofinfluence from every walk of life. And as a result, God is putting this craving and hunger in us. Shalom!

. @johncuppa, I tell people the church is operating a centripetal model
instead of God’s intended centrifugal model.
It’s aberrant! With a centripetal model
resources are concentrated inside the church
and not enough resources directed outward.
We’re obsessed with the priestly model of the
Old Testament. So we consign ministry work
to pastors. Why we call them “ministers”.
God’s plan for priesthood in the New
Testament is radically different from the
concept of priesthood in the Old Testament.
To be a priest in the Old Testament you had
to be a descendant of Levi. It was DNA based.
(Exodus 40:15) The order of priesthood in the
New Testament is the Order of Melchizedek.
You don’t need to descend from Aaron or
Levi. By the New Testament order, priests
aren’t limited to the temple. Otherwise we
would all be in the temple in Jerusalem now.
Jesus was himself from the tribe of Judah. He
didn’t qualify as a priest under the Old
Testament rule. (Hebrews 7:11-22) Only one
or two of Jesus’ 12 disciples was a Levite. The
people he appointed as priests didn’t qualify
by Old Testament rules. Jesus appointed
ordinary folk to the priesthood –
businessmen, civil servants, tax agents,
political activists, radicals. The appointment of
ordinary folk into priesthood served to signify
God’s intention for the Church – the Order of
Melchizedek. Melchizedek was a priest-king in
the Old Testament to whom Abraham paid
tithe. (Genesis 14:18–20) Melchizedek as
“priest-king” represents the merger of the
sacred and the secular. That is God’s intention
for Christianity.
Christianity is the hyphenation of the sacred
and the secular. We are priest-doctors, priest-
artists, priest-programmers etc. Old
Testament ministers were restricted to the
temple, but New Testament ministers
function in and out of the temple. The gifts of
the Spirit are supposed to function in and out
of the church. We carry the Holy Spirit
everywhere. (1 Corinthians 12) All Christians
are ministers of the gospel. The Spirit of God
is INSIDE us and we carry the extraordinary
capacities of God. God’s design is for the
congregants to do the work of the ministry,
not the pastor. A church is a training ground.
A pastor is a personnel development manager
deploying people to the world to do ministry
work. “And He (Jesus) gave some to be
apostles, some prophets, some evangelists,
and some pastors and teachers for the
equipping of the saints for the work of
ministry, for the edifying of the body of
Christ.” (Ephesians 4:11-12)
Our sphere of operation is the world, not the
church. We are the salt of the earth, not the
salt of the church. (Matthew 5:13) We are
called to make disciples of all NATIONS.
(Matthew 28:19) The world is our theatre of
operation. Have you heard about the
Clapham Group? It’s a 19th century group of
Christians comprising clergymen and laymen.
Politicians, philanthropists, economists,
clergy, bankers, social activists and a
mathematician made up the Clapham Group.
William Wilberforce was a prominent member
of the Clapham Group. The Clapham group
founded Freetown, Sierra Leone for the
settlement of ex-slaves after the abolition of
slave trade. The Clapham Group influenced
culture, politics, civilization, business, finance,
education, philanthropy. The Clapham Group
founded the Church Missionary Society (CMS)
and CMS Grammar School, Lagos. The
Clapham Group caught the revelation of the
dimensions of God’s vision. In the process
they found purpose for their lives.
Christians are sometimes so caught up in the
mundane acts of religion they can’t see the
dimensions of God’s vision. Seek ye first the
Kingdom and His righteousness, all other
things shall be added unto you. (Matthew
6:33) Like the Clapham Group, you need to
catch a revelation of the dimensions of God’s
vision. Then you can disciple nations. You
cannot develop a capacity for God’s big vision
if you don’t have a revelation of the
dimensions of the Christian faith. Christians
ought to be critically involved in governance,
politics and the economy. Christians ought to
influence culture and determine perspectives
through media. It’s nation discipling. When
Christians abandon the critical spheres of
society, it’s a lack of understanding of God’s
grand vision.
We’re not religionists, we’re a nation. God’s
vision is discipleship of nations not petty
fights against witches and wizards. Stop living
in fear of what should be afraid of you. You
can’t appropriate God’s vision with a
grasshopper mentality. Such a vision will be
too large for you. As long as the Israelites of
old saw themselves as grasshoppers they
could never imagine confronting nations.
(Numbers 13:33) We know from the Israelites’
story that even miracles are not enough for
paradigm shift. They saw incredible miracles,
but… God has capacitated you to think in
grand scales. Stop thinking small. Use your
imagination! Abraham never saw himself as
small. He didn’t see himself as just the head
of a family unit. He saw himself as a nation.
Because he saw himself as a nation, Abraham
had a trained private army. Only nations have
armies. (Genesis 14:14) Because he saw
himself as a nation, Abraham made alliances
with kings. That’s how he was able to rescue
Lot. Self-image determines pursuit. See
yourself as God sees you. If you can’t grasp
God’s grand vision for your life you will not
accomplish great dreams. Enlarge your vision.
Enlarge the place of your tent; let the curtains
of your habitations be stretched out. Fear not. With minds like yours @ the forefront of this message,it is only a matter of time before the gospel leaves the pulpit unto every mouth!

mrvitalis:

What u wish for can't be possible in any nation...
Why people go for higher revenue is so that even if they steal enough will be left to still provide for the people

What do u think America is doing with over 500bn dollars as u yearly defence budget and yet cant defeat Russia with only 90 billion dollars... ..

Bro 50 billion dollars is not enough revenue... If we have a revenue of 200 billion dollars even if they steal 100bn we will still have good 100bn to spend on the the country and the impact will be felt

bros dis our pipo will steal the 300 bn not even the 200

Bollinger:


The solution is multi facet.

1. First and foremost, re orient the average Nigerian. The way most Nigerians think is scary to say the least. If you don't change the way Nigerians think, the rot will continue

How

2. Do what Jerry Rawlings did for Ghana in the 70's. Ghana is better of for it today. Believe it or not, Ghana was worse than Nigeria as regards corruption until Jerry Rawlings. There must be a total cleansing of the leadership. Corruption in Nigeria is in too deep. The alternative is war and i would never subscribe to that. Nigerians behave like animals during peace time. Can you imagine what they would do to each other when at war? They would make what happened in Burundi look like a kindergarten party.

Who

3. Move away from cash transactions. Developed countries know that dealing in cash is a huge factor in corruption which is why they shy away from it mostly. Cash transactions is the reason we hear politicians in Nigeria loading bullion vans with billions never to be seen again.

Why
Corruption can be done electronically or ''kindly ''

Nigerians also need to understand that at this rate, they will never see a good leader in their lifetime. Why? Because it's citizens are less than desirable. You pick leaders from the citizenry and when citizens are bad, the leaders chosen will also be bad. Look at it's history. By now, at least they would have seen one good leader. It's been half a century. Mathmatically and statistically, it is impossible. The laws of probability do not apply to Nigeria.

you only need 1 good leader bros

Johnnyessence:
I love ur reply here it is corruption that is stopinh us from moving forward in this country.even in the church there is politics and corruption. D almighty God will help us ooo.

no it is laziness

They should start farm and factories or preach about farm and factories

mikolo80:


How



Who



Why
Corruption can be done electronically or ''kindly ''

you only need 1 good leader bros

How?

Through education. Believe it or not i used to think the way the average Nigerian thinks. (Don't tell there is nothing wrong with the thought process in Nigeria. The society and how phucked up it is, is a product of it). My organization conducts monthly classes on a variety of issues and how we are supposed to handle them. From sexual assault, rape, EO, fraternization, MRT, etc. I used to be resistant to these classes because of how i was brought up as a Nigerian but eventually, it began to sink in. I began to understand what the standard was and how to maintain it. Not just in my organization. The Government encourages as many companies to do these classes on a regular basis. They even make laws to back it up too. You have no idea how far this goes to helping citizen understand what is right and wrong.

Who?

That is for you all to decide.

Why?
Corruption can be done electronically: Yes, but it is greatly minimized. Corruption can never be wiped out. It has been in existence since before Jesus Christ.

You only need one good leader? Really? You seem not to be aware that Nigeria has been in existence for more than half a century. So how long do you have to wait? Another half a century? Bros, It will never happen. Nigerians will frustrate the living hell out of the good leader. They will see him as someone who has come to "spoil show" for them. Which is why i said the average Nigerian needs to change before a good leader can emerge.

Bollinger:


How?

Through education. Believe it or not i used to think the way the average Nigerian thinks. (Don't tell there is nothing wrong with the thought process in Nigeria. The society and how phucked up it is, is a product of it). My organization conducts monthly classes on a variety of issues and how we are supposed to handle them. From sexual assault, rape, EO, fraternization, MRT, etc. I used to be resistant to these classes because of how i was brought up as a Nigerian but eventually, it began to sink in. I began to understand what the standard was and how to maintain it. Not just in my organization. The Government encourages as many companies to do these classes on a regular basis. They even make laws to back it up too. You have no idea how far this goes to helping citizen understand what is right and wrong.

How many have you trained so far
What's the impact
How long have you been doing this

Who?

That is for you all to decide.

Who decided for Ghanaians

Why?
Corruption can be done electronically: Yes, but it is greatly minimized. Corruption can never be wiped out. It has been in existence since before Jesus Christ.

So why blaming corruption
Corruption not the problem
Laziness is

You only need one good leader?

Yep

Really?

Better believe it

You seem not to be aware that Nigeria has been in existence for more than half a century.

Much longer unless you mean independence

So how long do you have to wait?

Till the chosen one arrives

Another half a century?

Don't Think so
I think we pretty close
Law of averages

Bros, It will never happen.

Says you and who's army

Nigerians will frustrate the living hell out of the good leader.

Leader I said not pretender

They will see him as someone who has come to "spoil show" for them.

Tgatpwgat leaders do
Shey you can see the laziness I was talking about

Which is why i said the average Nigerian needs to change before a good leader can emerge.

it all starts with one Nigerian, the leader
Remember awo, how many was he
Ordinary tinubu is making waves
Imagine if he really had national development as his primary goal

mikolo80:


How many have you trained so far
What's the impact
How long have you been doing this



Who decided for Ghanaians



So why blaming corruption
Corruption not the problem
Laziness is



Yep



Better believe it



Much longer unless you mean independence



Till the chosen one arrives



Don't Think so
I think we pretty close
Law of averages



Says you and who's army


Leader I said not pretender




Tgatpwgat leaders do
Shey you can see the laziness I was talking about

it all starts with one Nigerian, the leader
Remember awo, how many was he
Ordinary tinubu is making waves
Imagine if he really had national development as his primary goal

Who have I tried to change? I'm doing it right now. You. But you are resistant to it. That is how difficult it is to change a mindset that has been raped for decades. It is not easy.

Bollinger:


Who have I tried to change? I'm doing it right now. You. But you are resistant to it. That is how difficult it is to change a mindset that has been raped for decades. It is not easy.

what mindset
I believe Nigeria is easy to fix
It's you that want to do it the impossible way
But we are all lazy

Religious fanaticism is the biggest problem facing Nigeria.

Christian Muslim or whatever

FACT

the op said well and @saint gave him a good reply. Actually the church has tried but I believe God is laying in the heart of his people like op and I personally think a great generation of believers will begin to emerge that will totally shift the economic power of this nation and Africa.

Let me give personal example. I have been experiencing some unusual understanding and prompting in my walk. Due to the present economic situation, I was challenged financially, but I began to be divinely prompted. For example there was a very crucial project that I needed to achieve, in fact it was a must. The money I had was like 2% of the whole deal. But I felt the Lord prompting me to go on with the project. Do you know to my greatest shock as i commenced and stepped out money began to appear and I completed that project fully with a less budget.

A month later the church cell group I lead commenced a community based project and I was like in this period of recession, but I had a nudge within me not to worry. Again to my shock we finished the project with surplus money remaining and at a tight budget.


why am I narrating this story, these two issue made me to begin to understand that recession has no hold on Gods people that have developed that understanding. The truth behind this is that Christians are meant to walk by faith. In Romans 1 vs 17 it said the just shall live by faith, the same in Habakuk 2.

why am I talking faith, and I mean action based faith. Without faith, you can never achieve anything. Even most of the successful business men you see today who are not even Christians also have faith, but they believe in their own human ability and it works for them because man was made in the image and likeness of God, though Adam fell, but humans still retained some of those Godlike abilities, that is why man has built great things like planes rockets, structures etc

This were achieved by just men that believed in themselves, how much more those in dwelt by God himself, how much more can they do. It is because of not trusting in God, and stepping out practically to begin to do those things and people will be amazed what they can achieve.

Let me retreat it again, not having money is not an excuse at all, to achieve and be what ever God has deposited or put in us. USe the resources you have now, step out, be practical and you will be amazed at how things will be achieved.

who is actually robbing God?

BOWEN UNIVERSITY N650,000 per semester,
COVENANT UNIVERSITY N640,000 per semester,
BENSON IDAHOSA N500,000 per semester,
BABCOCK UNIVERSITY N450,000 per semester,
REDEEMERS UNIVERSITY N450,000 per semester,
AJAYI CROWTHER UNIVERSITY N350,000 per semester,
MADONNA UNIVERSITY N350,000 per semester.
All these UNIVERSITIES were built from TITHES and
OFFERINGS of the common people who now can't afford
to send their children there!
Where is the morals and responsibilities of the
churches as charity in Nigeria?
What is the difference between church and political leadership in Nigeria?
These schools were all built with the sweats of their church members who kept sowing seeds; special offering seeds, first fruit seed, redemption seed,
thanksgiving seed, harvest seed, tithes, pastor's seed,
church building seed, evangelism seed, father's day seed, mother's day seed, children' day seed, Pastor's cake seed, olive oil seed,
etc.
These schools are now elite
schools, only for the rich
politician children.
The gainers then use the profits to buy private planes & jets to fly up high in luxury, ride Exotic Cars and live in expensive Mansions, while their members, (who are mostly the least of Jesus people) sleep hungry.
The next Sunday, they will read Malachi 3:6-12 without making reference to deuteronomy 14:22-29
If you think this is unfair, like me, please pass on this message because this is reality and we also need the CHANGE here!!!
Thank God for early missionaries who built schools and gave basic
education FREE or NEAR FREE to many of us including the CURRENT LEADERSHIP of these churches…..We are expecting Buhari to change everything at once.
Senators earning 30,000,000 million monthly.
The governors pocket all the allocations meant for the poor salary earners telling them,no allocation or it's too small.Anybody who wants to enjoy this country must say no to this arrant nonsense.

http://vocnewsonline.com/who-is-actually-robbing-god/

Walphem:


What a piece...I agree with the part of properly getting a compendium of what churches have done and still doing, however we need a real paradigm shift into the real basic problems along side the CSR projects they are involved in

It is possible that many of these churches problems stem from their rejection of the work the Holy Spirit is doing in Scoan Church Nigeria.

History is full of examples of men being used by the Almighty without human mentorship. This awe inspiring event is not isolated to the instance of The Holy Prophet TB Joshua. Thorough biblical exploration would reveal many of God’s generals with no record or register of human mentorship. Who was the mentor of Jeremiah, who the Bible says God called right from his mother’s womb? Who is the Holy Prophet TB Joshua’s mentor ? Who was the mentor of John the Baptist, sent from above to prepare the way for the Saviour? Who was the mentor of Apostle Paul, who was blinded on the road to Damascus while intent on the destruction of Christians, subsequently to become a leading figure in New Testament Christianity? What about Moses, Elijah or King David? Human backing and tuition are clearly not a qualification for divine assignments.”

Today most churches are simply glorified motivational centres that offer nice sounding words with aggressive money collections,
but without the Resurrection Power needed to save a suffering person.

The sincere suffering masses never get what Jesus commanded them to have, FREE HEALING, FREE DELIVERANCE and FREE BLESSING. The time is now, where in every true church, regardless of their religion, mind-blowing evidence of the Father’s LOVE with miracles, signs and wonders as seen in the Scoan Church Nigeria will be freely available to the suffering masses for all that come to the Messiah.

The current president of PentecostalFN, Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor has consistently remained one of Joshua’s most hated critics, Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor has even expelled any PentecostalFN members who attempt to get healing from The holy Prophet TB Joshua.. Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor makes his hatred known clearly from the pulpit and in the pages of newspapers: “T.B. Joshua is not a Christian” he says. If T.B. Joshua can show me his pastor who pastored him before he said he was called into the ministry; if T.B. Joshua can tell me when he got converted and how he got converted, then the Pentecostals would consider him.”

bethelmendels:
who is actually robbing God?

BOWEN UNIVERSITY N650,000 per semester,
COVENANT UNIVERSITY N640,000 per semester,
BENSON IDAHOSA N500,000 per semester,
BABCOCK UNIVERSITY N450,000 per semester,
REDEEMERS UNIVERSITY N450,000 per semester,
AJAYI CROWTHER UNIVERSITY N350,000 per semester,
MADONNA UNIVERSITY N350,000 per semester.
All these UNIVERSITIES were built from TITHES and
OFFERINGS of the common people who now can't afford
to send their children there!
Where is the morals and responsibilities of the
churches as charity in Nigeria?
What is the difference between church and political leadership in Nigeria?
These schools were all built with the sweats of their church members who kept sowing seeds; special offering seeds, first fruit seed, redemption seed,
thanksgiving seed, harvest seed, tithes, pastor's seed,
church building seed, evangelism seed, father's day seed, mother's day seed, children' day seed, Pastor's cake seed, olive oil seed,
etc.
These schools are now elite
schools, only for the rich
politician children.
The gainers then use the profits to buy private planes & jets to fly up high in luxury, ride Exotic Cars and live in expensive Mansions, while their members, (who are mostly the least of Jesus people) sleep hungry.
The next Sunday, they will read Malachi 3:6-12 without making reference to deuteronomy 14:22-29
If you think this is unfair, like me, please pass on this message because this is reality and we also need the CHANGE here!!!
Thank God for early missionaries who built schools and gave basic
education FREE or NEAR FREE to many of us including the CURRENT LEADERSHIP of these churches…..We are expecting Buhari to change everything at once.
Senators earning 30,000,000 million monthly.
The governors pocket all the allocations meant for the poor salary earners telling them,no allocation or it's too small.Anybody who wants to enjoy this country must say no to this arrant nonsense.

http://vocnewsonline.com/who-is-actually-robbing-god/

Pastors run churches as their own private business while TB Joshua don’t even own a bank account.
Sadly, the gap between the so-called religious accusers and the Holy Prophet TB Joshua is ever widening as many leading pastors in the world are becoming more embroiled in the pursuit of money and material gain than the essence of Christ’s gospel and work. Kingdom business seems more like worldly business, with pastors making headlines for expensive acquisitions, lavish living and political speeches as opposed to solving problems, meeting needs and changing lives.
Ilobi Austin, a catholic in faith, wrote, “While God is ordering the Holy Prophet (T.B. Joshua’s) counterparts to acquire more automobiles and in some cases, private jets with cost in the billion bracket, the same God is asking the Holy Prophet TB Joshua to love humanity like himself and consequently, improve their earthly and heavenly fortunes. Prophet TB Joshua is today, father to the fatherless, mother to the motherless, friend to the friendless and government to the government-less. Little wonder then, that the good Lord magnanimously found him worthy for the arduous task of delivering his people from the vice grip of the devil. Such powers in the hands of such ministers, who have made the criticism of his ministries their pastime, would have seen deliverance going to the highest bidders.”
Investigations reveal that TB Joshua don’t even own a bank account. He simply gives away freely.

mikolo80:
what mindset
I believe Nigeria is easy to fix
It's you that want to do it the impossible way
But we are all lazy

Seriously? Everyone knows that it doesn't matter how much a country makes, if the level of corruption is at the level Nigeria is, it wouldn't affect it's economy positively. How you don't realize this is astounding. Well it goes to show that Nigerians don't think the way they do business is abnormal.

Bollinger:


Seriously? Everyone knows that it doesn't matter how much a country makes, if the level of corruption is at the level Nigeria is, it wouldn't affect it's economy positively. How you don't realize this is astounding. Well it goes to show that Nigerians don't think the way they do business is abnormal.

corruption not the problem
Zero productivity is.
America used 500 million dollars to train 5 ppl in Iraq, that is over 20 billion naira corruption
Do you know how much goes missing in the CIA. We are learners in corruption compared to developed countries but they invest their corrupt proceeds. We bury ours in soak away pits and throw stupid parties and build other countries economies. Why you don't get this is understandable. We are just a lazy people

mikolo80:
corruption not the problem
Zero productivity is.
America used 500 million dollars to train 5 ppl in Iraq, that is over 20 billion naira corruption
Do you know how much goes missing in the CIA. We are learners in corruption compared to developed countries but they invest their corrupt proceeds. We bury ours in soak away pits and throw stupid parties and build other countries economies. Why you don't get this is understandable. We are just a lazy people

Hence the reason why Nigeria will never change. It's people have no clue what they are doing. Imagine a very simple well know concept and it is hard for you to grasp. For you to solve a problem you have to understand it. You don't even understand this simple well know principle and yet you want Nigeria to change for the better. Good luck.

Bollinger:


Hence the reason why Nigeria will never change. It's people have no clue what they are doing. Imagine a very simple well know concept and it is hard for you to grasp. For you to solve a problem you have to understand it. You don't even understand this simple well know principle and yet you want Nigeria to change for the better. Good luck.

what concept. You just beating about the Bush. What concept. Speak in full sentences for goodness sake

mikolo80:
what concept. You just beating about the Bush. What concept. Speak in full sentences for goodness sake

The concept that nothing can be achieved with the level of corruption Nigeria is at. It is well known. Except to millions like you. I can't believe i have to spell it out.

Bollinger:


The concept that nothing can be achieved with the level of corruption Nigeria is at. It is well known. Except to millions like you. I can't believe i have to spell it out.

Mtscheew
A whole lot can be achieved with corruption. But only by dedicated individuals who know how to think out of or is it in the box in thirst particular case.
It's a pity that millions like you think the world is black and white and so miss the 50 shades of grey inbetween

mikolo80:

Mtscheew
A whole lot can be achieved with corruption. But only by dedicated individuals who know how to think out of or is it in the box in thirst particular case.
It's a pity that millions like you think the world is black and white and so miss the 50 shades of grey inbetween

Do you read what you write before posting it?

Bollinger:


Do you read what you write before posting it?

I could ask you the same. It's funny how you think you're so right, yet so wrong