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Katsumoto: http://1.bp..com/_8XPdscEISUE/TVG7YpSPEXI/AAAAAAAAAJA/6tmMYd1vLgQ/s1600/Slums.jpg

Slum na slum

The term slum is relative to the country in perspective.

You maybe referring to villages in the rural areas. But in the cities, there are many slums. Most of the new developments came about with the clearing of slums. But the slums remain nonetheless and they are visible. If you remain in Manhattan, you don't see the ghettos in other parts of NY.

Even if you close your eyes, you can't miss the slums in China.

LOL.
Okay, fine. But you must consider that New York City has grown over two hundred years, while some of these Chinese cities like Shenzen and Guandong are relatively less than 3 decades old.
I'm sure if you go back to Shenzen in a decade, that part of town would be gone.

AjanleKoko: LOL.
Okay, fine. But you must consider that New York City has grown over two hundred years, while some of these Chinese cities like Shenzen and Guandong are relatively less than 3 decades old.
I'm sure if you go back to Shenzen in a decade, that part of town would be gone.

Agreed and that's why we mustn't be quick to label China a developed nation. It is still the fastest growing economy in the world though.

You know a lot of people don't know China and India were the richest nations before the Industrial revolution made Britain leapfrog both countries. Both countries have rich histories that were truncated by imperialism and an unwillingness to change.

Katsumoto: Agreed and that's why we mustn't be quick to label China a developed nation. It is still the fastest growing economy in the world though.

You know a lot of people don't know China and India were the richest nations before the Industrial revolution made Britain leapfrog both countries. Both countries have rich histories that were truncated by imperialism and an unwillingness to change.

China was indeed rich before it was partitioned by the Europeans, but it had been in steady decline after the voyages of Zheng He that was commissioned by the Ming Dynasty. By the 1800s, China had declined tremendously after being ruled by the foreign Qing Dynasty who were a Manchu speaking people, not Han. In its weakened state, even Japan, which had just went through its own industrialization during the late 1800s early 1900s was able to invade Manchuria and create a puppet state.

India on the other hand was also in decline, in which the Indian subcontinent was suffering from constant warfare as the Mughal Empire was splintering. By time the British and the French arrived, the Mughal princes were fighting amongst themselves.

tobechi74: India iz beta in 3 aspects

education,tertiary instiution,academic texbook etc especialy enginering, science and technology

juju, disapearance,love potion,get rich quick , jazz. Etc

polyandry

nigeria is better in every other thing

of course nigeria is better in every other thing, especially boko haram. olodo!

Let us compare Nigeria with India based on economic indices.

India:

GDP (Purchasing Power Parity): $4.515 trillion
GDP (Official Exchange Rate): $1.676 trillion
GDP (per capita): $3,700

Unemployment Rate: 9.8%
Population Below Poverty Line: 25%

Public Debt: 51.6% of GDP
Inflation Rate: 6.8%

Nigeria:

GDP (Purchasing Power Parity): $418.7 billion
GDP (Official Exchange Rate): $238.9 billion
GDP (per capita): $2,600

Unemployment Rate: 21%
Population Below Poverty Line: 70%

Public Debt: 17.6% of GDP
Inflation Rate: 10.8%

Courtesy of The World Factbook

Biggyd2: It is interesting how India tried to put things back in place after this blackout. Will it happen in this country?

NEW DELHI – As electric power was restored across India on Wednesday, the nation’s new power minister sought to tamp down a growing argument between state and federal ministers over who was to blame for Tuesday’s unprecedented blackout.
...

see
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/02/world/asia/power-restored-after-india-blackout.html?pagewanted=all

Come on let us hear something. Always looking for ways to praise 'oyibo' over yourselves, even when oyibo is FUKKING UP. Complex issues of course.

Here's the truth which they don't seem to be ''putting back in place'':



Blackouts shine light on India’s failings

By Amy Kazmin in New Delhi

Jaivir Singh, a 32-year-old property developer, was in his office in Gurgaon, a hub of modern office blocks and high-rise apartments near New Delhi, on Tuesday when the lights and television went out, and the back-up battery on his desktop computer started beeping.
Within minutes, the lights and televisions flickered back to life. The huge diesel- fuelled generators in his building – which also houses north India’s largest medical laboratory – had kicked in. It appeared to be one of the routine power cuts that punctuate the working day in India’s “millennium city”.


“On average, the electricity goes off once or twice a day,” Mr Singh says. “In the peak summer season, we are pretty much running between 10 to 14 hours on back-up power. Most of the top industry in the region is already prepared for downtime like this.”
Yet cocooned in his comfortably air-conditioned office, Mr Singh was in the middle of a sweeping power failure that cut electricity supplies to half of India’s 1.2bn people across the northern and eastern parts of the country for nearly 10 hours.

The blackout, the world’s biggest ever, was the second significant power failure in as many days, triggered by the collapse of India’s strained electricity distribution grid twice in less than 36 hours. Even for a resilient population, and companies, inured to frequent power cuts, the sheer magnitude of the back-to-back blackouts has been a jolt.
“This affected so many people at the same time,” Mr Singh says. “This hits us in the face very starkly – it’s an absolute dent to the idea of India shining.”

Sumit Ganguly, a Calcutta-born professor of political science at Indiana University visiting India, says the sweeping blackouts should be a “wake-up moment” for elite Indians who believe their country can progress, despite the failure of basic public services.

“The alarm clock has gone off,” Mr Ganguly says. “It’s saying ‘you can’t sleep any more’. There are structural bottlenecks in the economy that need to be addressed not tomorrow, not the day after tomorrow, not a week from now, but now.’”

India is, in fact, far better prepared to cope with such massive blackouts than elsewhere in the world. Per capita power use is already low, just a quarter of the global average. And with power demand exceeding supply by 10 to 12 per cent in the peak summer season, nearly every Indian is accustomed to frequent and long interruptions to their electricity supply.
“All of us know there is a power problem but all of us have accepted it,” says Kapil Chopra, general manager of the five-star Oberoi Hotel, Gurgaon, a few miles north of New Delhi. “This has brought to the fore what people have accepted as a way of life.”

Nearly 300m of India’s poorest citizens in remote areas are totally “off-grid”, living without any access to electricity at all. Even in rural areas that have electricity in theory, many villages receive reliable power only during politically sensitive sowing seasons – such as now – to irrigate their recently planted crops.
In urban areas, millions of people and most businesses have generators or other back-up systems to cope with what is quaintly known as “load-shedding” – the deliberate disconnect of entire neighbourhoods from the power grid when demand exceeds supply.

There is a whole parallel economy operating on back-up power

From New Delhi International Airport to five-star hotels, large manufacturing industries and modern office complexes, most large businesses, as well as institutions such as hospitals, rely on huge diesel generators to keep operations humming when the power goes.
Shops and restaurants, small offices, and many middle class households also have small generators, or large battery systems, widely sold in India, that can keep fans, lights, computers and other small appliances running for up to eight hours.

During this week’s blackouts, Indian television news channels broadcast without interruption to an audience of hundreds of millions of people, angrily keeping abreast of the developments on their generator-, or battery-powered televisions.
“There is a whole parallel economy operating on back-up power,” says Mr Chopra. “If you do any service – a mall, a residential building, you have to have power back-up.
“There is no hotel – even a one-star – that doesn’t have a power back-up facility. Any other city may have been paralysed, but here everybody has a contingency plan in place already.”

Nebeuwa: Let us compare Nigeria with India based on economic indices.

India:

GDP (Purchasing Power Parity): $4.515 trillion
GDP (Official Exchange Rate): $1.676 trillion
GDP (per capita): $3,700

Unemployment Rate: 9.8%
Population Below Poverty Line: 25%

Public Debt: 51.6% of GDP
Inflation Rate: 6.8%

Nigeria:

GDP (Purchasing Power Parity): $418.7 billion
GDP (Official Exchange Rate): $238.9 billion
GDP (per capita): $2,600

Unemployment Rate: 21%
Population Below Poverty Line: 70%

Public Debt: 17.6% of GDP
Inflation Rate: 10.8%

Courtesy of The World Factbook

Look, we have long passed this stage you're in, quoting rubbish from the CIA World Factbook. (Don't omit the CIA ). You think you can just post any statistic from any source? We're talking of HUNGER in India being worse than Sudan and Rwanda, and almost twice worse than Nigeria, courtesy of the UN global hunger index, and you're here posting rubbish from CIA World Factbook? Is the Indian 'poverty line' not rigged so that only those earning below 25 cents a day are classified as poor? Contrast that with Nigeria where the poverty threshold is $2 dollars a day, meaning of course that a greater percentage of Nigerians would be classified as poor than Indians? THAT was tackled on this thread earlier on, but no, like a goat with no brain you ignored all that to come in here and post your slave rubbish? Come on GTFOH. FIRST READ THROUGH THE THREAD, THEN contribute IN LINE WITH what has been already been posted.

AjanleKoko: India has similar problems to Nigeria (corruption, multi-ethnicity, religious turmoil, widespread poverty, etc).
However, they can't be compared to Nigeria in development, I have to confess. A lot of services that function in India don't even exist in Nigeria. In Delhi, there's a metro line, in Calcutta they have the tram (light rail). Hyderabad and Bangalore are very modern, state of the art places. But in general, India looks poor in infrastructure.

Some of the good things I've seen in India:
- Airports. Very well run, some are old, but many are state of the art. I've seen the ones in Mumbai, Delhi (this one tops any airport in Africa), Calcutta, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai. Far ahead of any airport in Nigeria, even the much-praised MMA2.
- Hotels: They have a lot of 5-star accomodation across India.
- Hospitals: The hospitals here, Nigeria does not have a single one that even comes close. But they are all private sector-owned.
- Military: They have a state of the art military facility in Calcutta. Visited there and was very impressed.
- Metro/Light Rail/Train Service: The Delhi metro is not pristine, but functions surprisingly well. So is the tram in Calcutta. The railway is ubiquitous, everywhere, but looks like our own rail service I have to confess. Though they are using electricity like modern train systems, the trains look like they were fabricated in India. India is not so good with manufacturing.

However, the overall picture of India is not good, I must confess. The whole setup of the country looks a lot like Mushin or Oshodi. Not so many nice neighbourhoods. Also, too many shrines all over the place, with very disturbing images. I visited one in Noida, and was freaked out somewhat. I also found their rickshaws quite annoying. Imagine being ferried from place to place in a pushcart, pulled by a man, not an animal!

And the most disturbing of all: On a major street in Calcutta at 11am in the morning, there were dozens of grown-azz men bathing in public, using water from a broken pipe! On a road as busy as Ikorodu Road, mind you

My guy what you're describing there as signs of Indian being more 'developed' are not actually signs of development, but signs of growth - signs that India is a bigger country than Nigeria. Nearly ten times the size of Nigeria in population, and a much bigger budget? So how will they not have big airports and several cities that look like Abuja? Or several 5 star hotels etc? Or have many train lines? It's a huge country compared to Nigeria, and so should have those things.

Rossikk: Look, we have long passed this stage you're in, quoting rubbish from the CIA World Factbook. (Don't omit the CIA ). You think you can just post any statistic from any source? We're talking of HUNGER in India being worse than Sudan and Rwanda, and almost twice worse than Nigeria, courtesy of the UN global hunger index, and you're here posting rubbish from CIA World Factbook? Is the Indian 'poverty line' not rigged so that only those earning below 25 cents a day are classified as poor? Contrast that with Nigeria where the poverty threshold is $2 dollars a day, meaning of course that a greater percentage of Nigerians would be classified as poor than Indians? THAT was tackled on this thread earlier on, but no, like a goat with no brain you ignored all that to come in here and post your slave rubbish? Come on GTFOH. FIRST READ THROUGH THE THREAD, THEN contribute IN LINE WITH what has been already been posted.

says the man who quotes wikipedia which quotes the cia factbook and other sources

oyb: says the man who quotes wikipedia which quotes the cia factbook and other sources

Wikipedia draws information from a large cross section of sources, and hence is far superior to the CIA factbook for the purposes of gathering reliable information. On any given issue, Wiki will provide stats from several sources, not just one. Can't compare.

OP
So the what's the point of this thread? Is it to cast the Indians in bad so Nigeria can shine?

Rossikk: Look, we have long passed this stage you're in, quoting rubbish from the CIA World Factbook. (Don't omit the CIA ). You think you can just post any statistic from any source? We're talking of HUNGER in India being worse than Sudan and Rwanda, and almost twice worse than Nigeria, courtesy of the UN global hunger index, and you're here posting rubbish from CIA World Factbook? Is the Indian 'poverty line' not rigged so that only those earning below 25 cents a day are classified as poor? Contrast that with Nigeria where the poverty threshold is $2 dollars a day, meaning of course that a greater percentage of Nigerians would be classified as poor than Indians? THAT was tackled on this thread earlier on, but no, like a goat with no brain you ignored all that to come in here and post your slave rubbish? Come on GTFOH. FIRST READ THROUGH THE THREAD, THEN contribute IN LINE WITH what has been already been posted.

Your passionate defense of Nigeria is commendable, but please stick to the facts. You should not disregard statistical facts, because it doesn't suit your purposes. You also fail to mention that India has a thriving democracy compared to Nigeria. India has been able to maintain its democratic governance while Nigeria has undergone numerous regime changes and coups. However, it is not Nigeria's fault that our democratic system is not as advanced compared to India's democratic system. The root of the differences can be found in both India and Nigeria's experience with colonialism.

More comparisons of India and Nigeria

India:

Literacy rate: 66%
Life Expectancy: 64 years old
Infant Mortality: 55 (deaths)/1,000 (live births)

Nigeria:

Literacy rate: 72%
Life Expectancy: 46 years old
Infant Mortality: 109 (deaths)/1,000 (live births)

Courtesy of World County Facts

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You can tell a lot about a country by their infant mortality rate.

Nebeuwa: Your passionate defense of Nigeria is commendable, but please stick to the facts.

Look at this one. What do you know about 'facts'? You come in here quoting dodgy sources like the CIA factbook and you have the nerve to talk about 'facts'?

You also fail to mention that India has a thriving democracy compared to Nigeria. India has been able to maintain its democratic governance while Nigeria has undergone numerous regime changes and coups.

Of what use is having a ''thriving democracy'' when you lead the world in malnutrition? Probably what they need is a dictatorship, like China. See, you need to stop looking at the world through the blue eyes of a caucasian drone, parroting conventional rubbish about 'democracy' even when its results are so clearly counterproductive.

However, it is not Nigeria's fault that our democratic system is not as advanced compared to India's democratic system. The root of the differences can be found in both India and Nigeria's experience with colonialism.

What is so advanced about a system that has produced the largest number of illiterates and malnourished people of any country on earth? Did you read the UN STATISTICS someone posted which showed that hunger levels in India are nearly twice as bad as Nigeria, and worse than Sudan and Rwanda?

Nebeuwa: More comparisons of India and Nigeria

India:

Literacy rate: 66%
Life Expectancy: 64 years old
Infant Mortality: 55 (deaths)/1,000 (live births)

Nigeria:

Literacy rate: 72%
Life Expectancy: 46 years old
Infant Mortality: 109 (deaths)/1,000 (live births)

Courtesy of World County Facts


You can tell a lot about a country by their infant mortality rate.

We can tell a lot about your intellectual shallowness by the sources you quote. Who the hell are ''World County Facts''?

According to UNICEF, Nigeria's infant mortality rate is 88 per 1000 not 109 per 1000, and her life expectancy 52 not 46.

Bawss1: OP
So the what's the point of this thread? Is it to cast the Indians in bad so Nigeria can shine?

Not at all bro. Just to clear the air on the deification of Indians and overhyping of their 'success story' among many NLers especially when they wish to run down Naija. I'm basically shoving some truth in their faces.

lmao! 1 funny thread mahn.......juz cudn't stop luffin' reading SISI_KILLS post mahn........forkin' funny ...

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Rossikk: Blackout in the country leads to 620 million people without power in a country where daily power cuts are already the norm. I thought some people here have been singing the praises of India while rubbishing Naija. The comments from Indians following this article below show the country is riddled with corruption and inefficiency. And scarily enough, they have nukes!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/01/world/asia/power-outages-hit-600-million-in-india.html

kuruption livez everiwhere evun in d WHIT£ HOU$£ but koncernin dis thread i wud PREFER d type of kuruption in INDIA & live well dan naija

ONLY Ghanaian RULE can save West Africa!!!!

Rossikk: My guy what you're describing there as signs of Indian being more 'developed' are not actually signs of development, but signs of growth - signs that India is a bigger country than Nigeria. Nearly ten times the size of Nigeria in population, and a much bigger budget? So how will they not have big airports and several cities that look like Abuja? Or several 5 star hotels etc? Or have many train lines? It's a huge country compared to Nigeria, and so should have those things.

So, why are you saying Nigeria is better than India if you can highlight these facts?

Can't we compare ourself wit UAE, Russia, USA, etc. @op, Look out for what is good.

Rossikk: My guy what you're describing there as signs of Indian being more 'developed' are not actually signs of development, but signs of growth - signs that India is a bigger country than Nigeria. Nearly ten times the size of Nigeria in population, and a much bigger budget? So how will they not have big airports and several cities that look like Abuja? Or several 5 star hotels etc? Or have many train lines? It's a huge country compared to Nigeria, and so should have those things.

Russia has the largest land mass in the world and 5 times the population of the UK, so Russia must have better facilities, amenities, and Infrastructure than the UK.

India has at least 10 times the population of Japan, so India must have better facilities, amenities, and infrastructure than Japan

Heck, with a population of 5 million, Singapore is 30 times smaller than Nigeria, so we don’t need to visit Singapore to know that Nigeria has better facilities, amenities, and infrastructure than Singapore.

There are so many examples I could give to demonstrate that bigger populations always mean bigger budgets and better facilities, amenities, and infrastructure.

Hope you get the sarcasm point.

To hit person head gulf-club just dey my mind right now, 2days wen Naija some area people never for the past one month, six month, one yr two yrs plus, either road rehabilitation make dem never fix am or transformer spoil or something, just two days them wan die MTCHEEEEEWWW *sigh into a waste bin for recycling* WE DON SEE 98% OF SUFFER FOR ELECTRICITY WETIN BE 2% WEY BE TWO DAYS.

ROSSIKE: STOP THE MYTH-MAKING:

India's major mineral resources include Coal (fourth-largest reserves in the world), Iron ore, Manganese, Mica, Bauxite, Titanium ore, Chromite, Natural gas, Diamonds, Petroleum, Limestone and Thorium (world's largest along Kerala's shores). India's oil reserves, found in Bombay High off the coast of Maharashtra, Gujarat, Rajasthan and in eastern Assam meet 25% of the country's demand.

India had about 125 Million metric tonne of proven oil reserves as April 2010 [4] or 5.62 billion barrels as per EIA estimate for 2009 [5] , which is the second-largest amount in the Asia-Pacific region behind China.[6] Most of India's crude oil reserves are located in the western coast (Mumbai High) and in the northeastern parts of the country, although considerable undeveloped reserves are also located in the offshore Bay of Bengal and in the state of Rajasthan.

Natural gas
As per the Ministry of petroleum, Government of India, India has 1,437 billion cubic metres (50.7×1012 cu ft) of confirmed natural gas reserves as of April 2010. A huge mass of India’s natural gas production comes from the western offshore regions, particularly the Mumbai High complex. The onshore fields in Assam, Andhra Pradesh, and Gujarat states are also major producers of natural gas. As per EIA data, India produced 996 billion cubic feet (2.82×1010 m3) of natural gas in 2004.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_resources_in_India


All this and yet she has the world's 2nd highest malnutrition rate.

Keep making excuses.

okay nice story. . I missed the part where this solves the problems we have. . .and besides india's oil is meat-ball compared to we have here and all the other resources you stated are still not up to what we have in monetary value. . .and then again just because u think india is in a worse state than we are(which is not) does not mean we are doing good,,Nigeria is falling apart and you know it,go back 2 google and see how much Nigeria makes daily,not just on oil alone and other minerals. . .infact the india you are talking about are one of the top buyers of aluminium in nIgeria or is that for free?
MOving away From resources,tell me one major area in which Nigeria has made a breakthrough Unless of course looting of public fund which they are really GOod at.i'm sure from all what u'v read here i need not emphasize more on how more India is progressive on medical grounds even Nigeria get most of their drug companies from them is it education u want to talk about?? Lets just save it.even for ur country to launch a satellite they still had 2 go 2 china for it. . .conclusion-NIGERIA has 2 improve and to answer the question,Yes,India is far better than Nigeria

401kk:
But due to their huge population, the positives tend to eclipse the negatives. Hundreds of millions of indians are poor to the teeth, same with china. There are about 200 million homeless people in china. But they don't broadcast this, they only show the positive side of their countries, something Nigerians wouldn't like to do.

name one positive thing in Nigeria

Ufeolorun:
Bullshit ke? Lol even my praising your commitment didn't stop that,taek it easy mae! No be fight.

Where's is Nigeria's Tata( though I think conglomerrate company model is 'bullshit')
Where's is Nigeria's Bharti
Where's Nigeria's Arcelo-mittal
Where's Nigeria,s: Reliance industry,Infosys technologies
How many of nigerias political billionaires turned 'corporate titans' as they normally refer to them has been able acquire old and tested western brand like land rover and Jaguar
I said earlier they have problems but its infantile to try use these as reasons why Nigeria should be compared to India.
Let's be patriotic but we should allow our loyalty be guided by what's seriously wrong and not working in Nigeria so we can run towards solution.

Our potential is enormous and that's why I get angry at the way we are just letting our chances slip.

Conglo is the way to go o. The only way in fact

Katsumoto:
1. Those are your criteria and not generally accepted criteria. Its not even the only criteria; which means everything else is taken into consideration

2. You can't create billionaires in Nigeria because even the ones you have are dependent on government-monitored monopolies and contracts. You don't have an enabling environment to create billionaires; yet millions are below the poverty line while your ministers and their friends smile to the bank.

3. Heavily criticized or not, its what we can go by. You are yet to present something that supports your notion of Nigeria being better than India. Malnourishment is not the only criteria. That seems to be the only criteria you have as well as your patriotism.

which other criteria. Can you use phone or watch TV or drive or build house when you haven't eaten

India is never better than Nigeria instead worst even my roommate says it and she's Indian.

mikolo80:
name one positive thing in Nigeria

Your education, your fat full stomach, your iphone, ipad, nice flat, maybe car or Jeep... your business or job, your hangouts - clubs. bars etc.... All that did not drop from the sky. Nigeria gave it to you, ok? If you'd been born in India, Chad, or Somalia you might be stuck in one slum somewhere brushing your teeth with gutter water.

Rossikk:
Your education, my dad not Nigeria your fat full stomach, same as above until recently and I am very lean [/b]your iphone, [b] can't afford one and it's not made in Nigeria [/b]ipad,[b] same as before nice flat, now you're just rubbing it in but thank goodness for dangote if not also not made in Nigeria [/b]maybe car[b]all imported or Jeep... your business also import based but none yet personally or job, none for 3 years after NYSC [/b]your hangouts [b] hangout is for the rich - clubs. bars[b] same as before [/b] etc.... All that did not drop from the sky. Nigeria gave it to you, ok? maybe you're confusing me with you If you'd been born in India, all these exist in India Chad, or Somalia [b] I'm almost grateful that our case is not like these,.... Almost cos I'm thinking the ease of weapon acquisition and potential for war lordIsm [/b]you might be stuck in one slum somewhere brushing your teeth with gutter water.

and I am grateful that this is not my portion but believe me when I say that Nigeria has not given me anything.

India is far ahead of Nigeria in every aspect. It's just that we are bless with wealth but cursed with bad leadership