xerxes456:
short sightedness... the things of the spirit is so big for the normal human mind to understand, God is spirit and they that serve him must do so in truth and in spirit, not in human mind and logical thinking... So guy you can never understand until you're ready to understand in submission to God's spirit, if you like read Bible like novel from front to back, until you submit to the Spirit of God, nothing for you...

Na so....leave the guy wey d read Bible like eze goes to school

NinjaX:
One of the greatest mystery of the century that man has yet to unravel is the big question of what happens after death.

This question is so mind-boggling that over the years it has been accorded different answers by people from various walks of life.

So far so good, none of the speculations has been confirmed as true. And since no-one has journeyed to the land of the spirits and successfully came back on evidence, I believe I can safely assert from a resolute postion that none hold claims to possession of such knowledge in this regard.

However, for the purpose of the thread, using the Christian religion as a yardstick, let's assume heaven does exist, likewise hell.

Therefore, if heaven really exist, the question follows that what then is the ticket a person must possess in order to become an eligible candidate?

Allow me to quote from the bible at this point.

Matthew 5:20
(King James Version)

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Summarily explaining the above verse, you must be RIGHTEOUS according to God's standard of righteousness.

According to the bible, righteousness is when one is absolutely devoid of sin. And sin can take any form - your physical actions, words and thought.

In conclusion, therefore, you must guard these 3 parts of you from sin so you can be sure of making heaven when the last trumpet sounds.

Now, here's why I believe it's more easier for me to jump into the air, visit the comfort station, have a short picnic and pen a short story while still in mid-air before landing, than for you to eschew sin completely.

I'll shift focus to the mind which is where thoughts are formed, because it is the most difficult of the three things I mentioned to put in check. My keen observation and findings have revealed that the mind, at no given point in time, can ever maintain a pure state in totality. You see a well-endowed damsel while plodding the streets, already you are having ideas. You see someone whom nature cheated facially, you say in your mind without speaking out, "damn! That guy is really ugly."

And. . . . . . . Even if you confess your sins away at church, new ones will take position almost immediately. Even before you breath your last on your death bed, you'd conceive wrong thoughts just in time before you die without wanting to. It's like a reflex action. You cannot hold it to a leash. It just happens. Unless of course you are an inanimate object, but then again, objects have no feelings at all.
It's like someone telling you to keep your eyes open yet instructs that you not look at anything. And then asks you, what do you see?
How does that sound?
"Kukuma" kill me already biko.

And this is close to what God requires from us. The sheer complication and complexity of it all. Trying to think this through can just drive a person insane.

ALSO, the biblical God exhibits a system of rule I'd like to term "arbitrary", where he solely determines the do's and don'ts.

Come to think of it, even emperors, kings, queens, rulers, in a fair system, are subject to the laws they use to govern their subordinates. If and when they (these rulers), fall short, they are confronted with those set laws.

But amazingly, It's forbiddingly not so in God's case. He's all supreme. You cannot challenge nor question his decisions. What he says is final. Yet God prides himself fairer than all.

Okay, imagaine if our dear president, Muhammadu Buhari is the God we are talking about, just try to picture what would happen. . .

Here's what I surmised:

- Fulani Herdsmen would kill thousands with boundless impunity.

- Favouritism will be the norm.

- He could send lightening to strike you for criticising him on social media even.

I hope now, after some sober reflection, the implications have dawned on you? Are you kidding me? We would be done for in that event.



Lastly, even though you somehow manage to scale through the hurdle of sin, which I think is a dead impossible feat to achieve, there's still the inescapable problem of the big bad guy having to conclude your final fate.

My dear ladies and gentlemen, the above reasons are why I strongly suggest that we do away with the thought that heaven is "makeable".

It's either this Christian God never wanted us to share his paradise with him in the first place, or he's plain confused, or we are his little experiment to fight boredom, [b]or it's high time we started acknowledging that everything about the Christian religion is indeed what it rightly is - nothing more than a fictitious sensational tale intended to thrill but was rather badly written.

The ending of the life cycles can't be accomplished with the current culture that is on this Earth today. Sodomy, transgenderism, sexism, racism, corruption, evil white magic and a host of other things that knock human beings off their destinies assigned by Orunmila. Death is winning.

NinjaX:
@Naijadeyhia

You didn't do justice to the question I posed in the slightest. Your response is far below the belt, far far below what I was expecting.

You only went about gathering the harvested wheats together with the tares in the process of aiming to counter my assertions, lumping everything together in a violent conflagaration and ended up destroying everything, losing out woefully on both sides.

Most of what you wrote up there are not new to me.

Still it does not change the fact that God acts in random ways thus even if you are righteous till death, entering heaven is not yet certain. And also, you cannot abstain from sin completely. To hell with all that crap about discipline.

No individual is a saint. We are all tainted with bad thoughts - the more effort you exert to overcome the urge, the more you are given to it. While some are consumed with it - and those are the ones sent to prison/sanctioned because they backed their thoughts with actions.

You are walking your reason through a one-sided tunnel. At least be open-minded a little. That would help.

And when I made mention of confessing sins, I was actually alluding to the fact that sins can be confessed anywhere, anytime.

I'm not a catholic, I'm an anglican, but that's not relevant to the discourse.

Bros that is why grace abound, also faith, and also Christ said BELIEVE in me. Have faith in God. He said and wen yea pray say also "and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us" u think its impossible. Bt God's word say "wit God nothin is Impossible" He said and the Holy Spirit wil teach us all truth" if u have the Holy Spirit in you. He wil guide u and show u d rite tins and part to take. The human mind cannot comprehend the ways of God. That is the main reason scientist today can't understand the way the mind works.

4everGod:


Do you think it is right to release a mass murderer or a mass rapist from jail? choose one

Do you think it is right to forgive someone who rapes your wife or to forgive someone who killed your child?

Do you think its right to sentence a law enforcement officer who served in law enforcement faithfully for 30yrs of his life yet planned and committed murder while in the force?

Your answers would help our discussion

Answers in the same order asked...
1. If he has finished serving his sentence why not?? Mind u God will punish liars for eternity in blazing fire... Even humans know that is high handed
2. It is right to forgive... Forgiveness is good but that doesn't mean a person who kills should go Scot free... Am only saying that the people hurt by the murderer should forgive him... But he should be kept away from the society
3. Of course, it is right to sentence him... But even in courts, the severity of sentencing is determined but the number of times the accused has committed the murder... Therefore a first time offender is not given the same punishment as a twentieth time offender... But if he didn't commit a grievous offence, let's say traffic offense like over- speeding, then his punishment should be mild not equal to that of a murderer

paradigmshift:


have never seen them open a topic for Islam ,am sure they don't have any valid point to share...so many atheist and Muslim in here

I didn't mention names oh.. One goat is already convulsing on my mentions..

Life is choice, Heaven or Hell is also a choice.you cannot use your corruptiable knowledge to understand Heavenly things,Bible is not book of science, you understand with experiment, is God word. Stop deceivin urself and accept the Truth.

4everGod:


There is no such thing as a sin by mistake. Everyones action begins with a thought! We speak or act our thoughts. There is always a premeditation prior to action. Anyone who sins had time to first think about it.

So are all sins equal... Is masturbation equal to killing thousands of people.. Is lying equal to raping young girls and boys...

I stopped thinking religion when I was 6,7, it just never appealed to me, all those Sunday school teachings and all, the op ain't far from the truth, looking at the life of a man, its riddled with imperfections and shortcomings, as rightly said by someone that's where grace comes in, and the bible says I'll have mercy on who I'll have mercy on, meaning some has been destined, marked out for damnation just like pharaoh and Esau, everything just gets so muddled up at the end, your brain starts going into a frenzy, certainly this world didn't just come into being of its own accord, and thinking deep the bible didnt give answers to some major questions, everything all.boiled down to faith,grace,hope, and the likes, heaven and hell, the after life, is just three entities the bulk of the human problem hinges on, and of course with no evidence of its existence or what have you,stop thinking religion if you can, keep thinking religion if you can't stop, believe whatever you want, to each his/her own, when we all run out of time, we'd know where we'd open our eyes to, enough of this religious indoctrination, atheism nonsense!!

sirTesco:
Life is choice, Heaven or Hell is also a choice.you cannot use your corruptiable knowledge to understand Heavenly things,Bible is not book of science, you understand with experiment, is God word. Stop deceivin urself and accept the Truth.

Abegii... What's difficult to understand... All sinners are subjected to the same fate irrespective of degree or motive... If a starving mother steals to feed her kids, she goes to hell right??

Thanks for the advert @activeplan. I don't understand these atheist people, live and let live. If you must post wrote ups, why use abusive words and mockery? Ask questions, stick with the facts, draw reasonable conclusions in arguments, not abuse people and mock them/their beliefs.

But come to think of it o, even tho I'm not a Christian, I think that guy that analysed your write up paragraph by paragraph killed it. Word!

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Answers in the same order asked...
1. If he has finished serving his sentence why not?? Mind u God will punish liars for eternity in blazing fire... Even humans know that is high handed

So if a mass murderer or mass rapist finishes his prison term or in this context repents he should be set free and forgiven right? Put this next to your earlier comments

2. It is right to forgive... Forgiveness is good but that doesn't mean a person who kills should go Scot free... Am only saying that the people hurt by the murderer should forgive him... But he should be kept away from the society

First you said the person should be forgiven then you say the person should be kept away from society. Do you see where God beats you at righteousness? IF ANYONE BE IN CHRIST HE IS A NEW CREATURE OLD THINGS ARE PASSED AWAY, BEHOLD ALL THINGS ARE BECOME NEW. There is no segregatio with God.

3. Of course, it is right to sentence him... But even in courts, the severity of sentencing is determined but the number of times the accused has committed the murder... Therefore a first time offender is not given the same punishment as a twentieth time offender... But if he didn't commit a grievous offence, let's say traffic offense like over- speeding, then his punishment should be mild not equal to that of a murderer

So you agree that a first time offender should be punished regardless of how previously good he has been yet you call God unjust? Put this next to your previous comments

Do you know the value attached to a soul and why it should not be messed with or taken for granted? The Bible says , WHAT SHALL IT PROFIT A MAN IF HE GAINS THE WHOLE WORLD YET LOOSES HIS SOUL. If the whole world cannot be compared to one single soul then you would understand why God would spare nobody who messes with it or takes it for granted.

Carmal90:


U are displaying d madness in ur family publicly

I learnt it from your family..

Khd95:
Ok,wait for them....

They are in church right now

we are back from Church

foladara777:

So are all sins equal... Is masturbation equal to killing thousands of people.. Is lying equal to raping young girls and boys...

Its not about the equality its about the soul which commits it. Sin is Sin. You are looking at it from the angle of the gravity of the offence. God looks at it from the perspective of the Offender. WHY WOULD HE EVEN CONSIDER DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE AND TRY TO JUSTIFY IT?

Justifying it means not admitting he is wrong or not repenting. All ACTS of sin carry the same weight because they are all sins to based on intent and action. Why lie when you can say the truth? Why rape anyone? Why masturbate or lust after anyone who would lead you to masturbation? Why even kill one person not to talk about thousands?

Goes back to what i said about the value of a soul. If you knew what value God placed on your soul then even you would not want to sin against yourself not to talk about against others.

SycophanticGoat:


I learnt it from your family..

Never! Ur madness is hereditary

[quote author=4everGod post=51639115][/quote]
I know u really believe u are making sense right now but honestly you're not... A first time offender should be punished for his crimes... If a person kills for the first time, he should be set free??... Am actually more compassionate than God because while I will just punish a person who over speeds for three months with option of a fine, God will make him burn forever... That means if u lust after a woman for one minute and the trumpet sounds on the 60th second u will burn eternally just because of a minute's weakness... I don't have a problem with forgiving serial sinners, my problem is punishing good people who had a moment of weakness for all eternity... Is that just

Carmal90:


Never! Ur madness is hereditary

Nope! Your family taught me..

DeSepiero:


The standards are high that's why the contemporary Christians have invented the idea of "grace"

Christians invented grace?
I find this too funny to birth anger

Smiles.... Black will always be black... And white will always be white... (For the wise)
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Anyway... I commented becos I love the construction of this write up... The language usage is really impressive.....

4everGod:


Its not about the equality its about the soul which commits it. Sin is Sin. You are looking at it from the angle of the gravity of the offence. God looks at it from the perspective of the Offender. WHY WOULD HE EVEN CONSIDER DOING ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE AND TRY TO JUSTIFY IT?

Justifying it means not admitting he is wrong or not repenting. All ACTS of sin carry the same weight because they are all sins to based on intent and action. Why lie when you can say the truth? Why rape anyone? Why masturbate or lust after anyone who would lead you to masturbation? Why even kill one person not to talk about thousands?

Goes back to what i said about the value of a soul. If you knew what value God placed on your soul then even you would not want to sin against yourself not to talk about against others.

So a person who lies about his age to get a job in order to eat has the same soul as a person that kills and rapes Children for fun?? C'mon

SycophanticGoat:


Nope! Your family taught me..

I know ur parents won't want to dwell on it, but shaa ask them how did ur grandfather died at market place.

Carmal90:


I know ur parents won't want to dwell on it, but shaa ask them how did ur grandfather died at market place.

He emulated your own grandfather!

NinjaX:


Jeez! Haba! Lol. I used that example so you would have to link it up with other instances and flow along with the stream of my thoughts, but it seems your brain has sworn to forever part partnership with your digits. Or maybe you don't like stressing your brain. If at this point you still elect to feign ignorance, you are OYO.

You and naijadeyhia exemplify the contemporary stone-hearted man so rooted in his belief that he has refused to be open to suggestions; he is so conceitedly comfortable in his stand that he is dead scared to test his canoe on new waters.

I'm done arguing here. Nairaland theists, though not all, are the most unyielding people I've ever met. They are arrogant, annoyingly dishonest and conceitedly rigid in mental stagnation.

They are small-minded and only want you to accept their opinions, but never wanna see reasons with you.

They think they know all, and go about parading as the paragon of knowledge, yet they can rarely tell truth from lies which makes them all the more easier to deceive. Irony of life!

Have fun sir. I'm done pouring water on rock.

You know atimes it's fun to engage these atheists in arguments because they always come up with fun ideas about life, the supernatural etc.
If they would change, forget it you won't be the one that would make them change. God will reveal Himself to them at the right time.

Do you know why the are bold to be saying all the blasphemy?
God is God unlike the gods of the earth. Who would have dealt with them one time.

They have the liver to insult God anyhow.

Leave them they will soon know. the only thing is how soon ,that soon is, is what no one knows.

foladara777:

So a person who lies about his age to get a job in order to eat has the same soul as a person that kills and rapes Children for fun?? C'mon

What is a Soul?

gwine0047:


Christians invented grace?
I find this too funny to birth anger

Muslims did?

NinjaX:
People really need to see this.

Cc:

Lalasticlala

Seun

Dominique

Help push to the FrontPage please

Read more of the Bible and you will see that the mercy of God endures forever. You will see God saying he will have mercy on whom he will have mercy on. You will see confess your sin with one another. You will also work in the power of Holy Spirit because without the spirit of holiness you cannot be holy. Accept Jesus as you personal lord and Savior and every other things will be added. John said. I Baptise you with water but Christ whi is mightier will baptise you with Holy Spirit and fire

Read the Bible very well and discover more about holiness and. Holy spiirit

SycophanticGoat:


He emulated your own grandfather!

Since u agreed ur father grandfather died miserably...why should I join issue with u?

NinjaX:
@Naijadeyhia

You didn't do justice to the question I posed in the slightest. Your response is far below the belt, far far below what I was expecting.

You only went about gathering the harvested wheats together with the tares in the process of aiming to counter my assertions, lumping everything together in a violent conflagaration and ended up destroying everything, losing out woefully on both sides.

Most of what you wrote up there are not new to me.

Still it does not change the fact that God acts in random ways thus even if you are righteous till death, entering heaven is not yet certain. And also, you cannot abstain from sin completely. To hell with all that crap about discipline.

No individual is a saint. We are all tainted with bad thoughts - the more effort you exert to overcome the urge, the more you are given to it. While some are consumed with it - and those are the ones sent to prison/sanctioned because they backed their thoughts with actions.

You are walking your reason through a one-sided tunnel. At least be open-minded a little. That would help.

And when I made mention of confessing sins, I was actually alluding to the fact that sins can be confessed anywhere, anytime.

I'm not a catholic, I'm an anglican, but that's not relevant to the discourse.

Actually he answered your question fully! Your response to his further convinced me of what I suspected when I read your original post, which is you really don't understand righteousness. righteousness is better defined as a rightstanding wth God and not the absence of sin. Naijadeyhia has already done justice to the subject. I would suggest you read the book of Romans with an open mind and non preconceived definitions of what you are reading.

Carmal90:


Since u agreed ur father grandfather died miserably...why should I join issue with u?

After having followed the footsteps of yours. So you definitely should join issues with me because we share so much in common..

SycophanticGoat:


After having followed the footsteps of yours. So you definitely should join issues with me because we share so much in common..

We don't have anything in common, ur lineage secret that u decided to open in public is what am advising u on....it is known fact to we insider of ur family predicament....
And Yoruba always said ENITI TIE TII BAAJE, MAA WAA EYAN KUN RAA NII.

@op..let me ask u a question,, 'do u believe in evolution?'

This sounds like someone trying to justify the sins committed or planning to continue committing. God is big on forgiveness, and it's never too late to ask as far as you are alive. He sees the heart and can tell those who are genuine.