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EyeHateGod:
He has more than Ten account on Nl na..

bigfrancis21:
Bro ignore the argument and focus on spiritual enlightenment, which is more important. Did you see my post in reply to you?

DedeNkem:
Please, read this and let me know if it answered your question.

Psoul:
You grew up in a family and saw a man and a woman that claimed they are your parents and u believed them and keep answering their name. You never inquired for the day they met and conceived you. Even if your father agreed he met your mother, did u ask your mother if actually it was your father's sperm that conceived you. You must be so dumb and daft to believe such thing.

Science told us that once a heavy object goes up, a particular force (gravitational force) will bring it down,We believe it. An aircraft, as heavy as it is can fly and stay up in the air without that force bringing it down. This was possible cos some other forces (Mechanics) were put in place to alter the force of gravity. You were able to believe this but cannot believe that there is a Supreme force that can alter the force that will break those eggs in the trunk. You must be d dumbest thing that ever lived.

Science cant stand alone without bringing the power of the Supreme Being (God) in play. Believe it or not it wont change a thing. Many bigger men in the field of Science have gone this ur way and at last came to bow to that Supreme Being. U r just a beginner.

dnte:
To all the atheist, i hope this video gives you a clue of how useless the big bang theory is..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XTIIrnLvP4"

NinjaX:
For the umpteenth time, I'm not an atheist.

I was only pointing you to the ridiculous proposition you made, only gave you the vinegar you offered me to see how it tastes.

@highlighted: That's just it. As plain as daylight. If I can get money by doing some labour, why do I need to pray?

Why can't God separate the wheat from the chaff, in this case, fulfil the demands of prayers that will benefit who's making the petition, and ignore disastrous ones?

But surely I ain't half as petty as God who exhibits human tendencies as envy.

Go sit down abeg. Your arguement has been laid to waste. Even Jesus would rebuke you for doing a piss-poor job trying to justify the impossible.

You are the weakest rival in all my NL years. Shame.

KingOfAmebo:
Yeah right, Now you are denying your beliefs cuz I exposed your ignorance but ironically your unintelligent comments made it damn easy.

Please explain the ridiculous proposition, Sorry, you can't cuz you just don't have anything to say about it.

Wow , how ignorant can someone get?...your ignorance deserves a gold medal. So you think prayer is just about getting money? Ok, you believe you should just sit at home and pray for God to send his angels to deliver 10 Ghana must go bags filled with dollars? It's either you don't read the Bible or you read it upside down.

Have you come across the scriptural verse that says "Faith without works is....." ? You need Faith but you need works to bring faith to life. I am sure if you understood this from onset you won't be rebellious to God.

You are so foolish to think you can tell God what to do.

Besides, Who are you to question God?...how disrespectful is it for a creature to question his creator, just because God is slow to anger and because you are enjoying the gift of free will doesn't mean the wrath of God can't visit you. Mind you, it is terrible thing to dare God. He is both a merciful God and a God of judgement. Don't invite God's wrath upon your life, repent now before it is too late.

Since you can now compare yourself with God, please show us what you have created that can be equal or more than what God has created.

Again I repeat, God is NOT your servant, you cannot order him around to grant your wish...kneel before him and pray for forgiveness.

Conclusion and deliverance: Say this prayer.

In the name of Jesus, a name above every other name, I rebuke the demon speaking through me...let the fire of God Almighty burn you demon. Hell is were you belong and not in my body, Let the light of God illuminate me and let every darkness disappear in Jesus name. There is power mighty in the blood of Jesus Christ...I am free and free indeed, thank you Jesus for a new and better life, for in Jesus mighty and precious name. Amen.

NinjaX:
Quit whipping up baseless assumptions from your dumbass. So if I were to criticise Messi's performance in a game, in such a way that does not go well with your fragile emotions, does that make me a supporter of Ronaldo? Why are you theists so quick to presume anyone appraising christianity must be an atheist who is only out to attack your beliefs? If your beliefs were pure in actuality you wouldn't be apprehensive of appraisal...

Lawd! You sound like a world-class illiterate. Demand a refund from whomever tutored you.

Being on the defence wouldn't deter me from beaming the floodlights of rationality on christianity.

You said someone who wishes to make heaven cannot do that alone by virtue of his righteousness and earthly works. You said the person should pray for the grace of God to aid him. Then I said, since God has not answered any of my prayers, what is the guarantee that he would indulge my request and provide that much needed grace?

Money is one of the necessities of life. Is God so busy that he cannot send some of his angels to go heal sick helpless believers and hungry ophan kids who must have prayed to him countless times?
Why is your God so heartless?

Hogwash!
Everybody has faith irrespective of religious affiliations or inclinations. There are many people who don't believe in your so-called God but they are very successful, while the staunch believers live mostly wretched life. Except pastors who grow their empire by dispossessing gullible people of their hard earned cash. Wise up bro, stop enriching your million dollar suit-wearing pastor who teaches that materialism is all vanity. Fucking_ use your common sense.

What is the purpose of prayers?

True. God is suddenly that vengeful fangs-baring tiger who specialises only on pouncing on innocent people and little kids to protect his weak ego. But turns shy when confronted with real life problems?

Free will? Did he seek mary's consent before instructing his holyspirit to rape another man's wife?

What a coward for a God. Nonsense!

Irrelevant. But I've engaged in activities that impacted positively in the lives of people around me this year. What has your God done this year? Just name one thing.

Has God accounted for his own evil deeds? Does God even have any moral right to question actions of people whereas he has committed untold crimes?

Have you got other sensible thing to say?

NinjaX:
@Naijadeyhia


Still it does not change the fact that God acts in random ways thus even if you are righteous till death, entering heaven is not yet certain. And also, you cannot abstain from sin completely. To hell with all that crap about discipline.

No individual is a saint. We are all tainted with bad thoughts - the more effort you exert to overcome the urge, the more you are given to it. While some are consumed with it - and those are the ones sent to prison/sanctioned because they backed their thoughts with actions.

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NinjaX:
One of the greatest mystery of the century that man has yet to unravel is the big question of what happens after death.

This question is so mind-boggling that over the years it has been accorded different answers by people from various walks of life.

So far so good, none of the speculations has been confirmed as true. And since no-one has journeyed to the land of the spirits and successfully came back on evidence, I believe I can safely assert from a resolute postion that none hold claims to possession of such knowledge in this regard.

However, for the purpose of the thread, using the Christian religion as a yardstick, let's assume heaven does exist, likewise hell.

Therefore, if heaven really exist, the question follows that what then is the ticket a person must possess in order to become an eligible candidate?

Allow me to quote from the bible at this point.

Matthew 5:20
(King James Version)

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Summarily explaining the above verse, you must be RIGHTEOUS according to God's standard of righteousness.

According to the bible, righteousness is when one is absolutely devoid of sin. And sin can take any form - your physical actions, words and thought.

In conclusion, therefore, you must guard these 3 parts of you from sin so you can be sure of making heaven when the last trumpet sounds.

Now, here's why I believe it's more easier for me to jump into the air, visit the comfort station, have a short picnic and pen a short story while still in mid-air before landing, than for you to eschew sin completely.

I'll shift focus to the mind which is where thoughts are formed, because it is the most difficult of the three things I mentioned to put in check. My keen observation and findings have revealed that the mind, at no given point in time, can ever maintain a pure state in totality. You see a well-endowed damsel while plodding the streets, already you are having ideas. You see someone whom nature cheated facially, you say in your mind without speaking out, "damn! That guy is really ugly."

And. . . . . . . Even if you confess your sins away at church, new ones will take position almost immediately. Even before you breath your last on your death bed, you'd conceive wrong thoughts just in time before you die without wanting to. It's like a reflex action. You cannot hold it to a leash. It just happens. Unless of course you are an inanimate object, but then again, objects have no feelings at all.
It's like someone telling you to keep your eyes open yet instructs that you not look at anything. And then asks you, what do you see?
How does that sound?
"Kukuma" kill me already biko.

And this is close to what God requires from us. The sheer complication and complexity of it all. Trying to think this through can just drive a person insane.

ALSO, the biblical God exhibits a system of rule I'd like to term "arbitrary", where he solely determines the do's and don'ts.

Come to think of it, even emperors, kings, queens, rulers, in a fair system, are subject to the laws they use to govern their subordinates. If and when they (these rulers), fall short, they are confronted with those set laws.

But amazingly, It's forbiddingly not so in God's case. He's all supreme. You cannot challenge nor question his decisions. What he says is final. Yet God prides himself fairer than all.

Okay, imagaine if our dear president, Muhammadu Buhari is the God we are talking about, just try to picture what would happen. . .

Here's what I surmised:

- Fulani Herdsmen would kill thousands with boundless impunity.

- Favouritism will be the norm.

- He could send lightening to strike you for criticising him on social media even.

I hope now, after some sober reflection, the implications have dawned on you? Are you kidding me? We would be done for in that event.



Lastly, even though you somehow manage to scale through the hurdle of sin, which I think is a dead impossible feat to achieve, there's still the inescapable problem of the big bad guy having to conclude your final fate.

My dear ladies and gentlemen, the above reasons are why I strongly suggest that we do away with the thought that heaven is "makeable".

It's either this Christian God never wanted us to share his paradise with him in the first place, or he's plain confused, or we are his little experiment to fight boredom, [b]or it's high time we started acknowledging that everything about the Christian religion is indeed what it rightly is - nothing more than a fictitious sensational tale intended to thrill but was rather badly written.

NinjaX:
One of the greatest mystery of the century that man has yet to unravel is the big question of what happens after death.

This question is so mind-boggling that over the years it has been accorded different answers by people from various walks of life.

So far so good, none of the speculations has been confirmed as true. And since no-one has journeyed to the land of the spirits and successfully came back on evidence, I believe I can safely assert from a resolute postion that none hold claims to possession of such knowledge in this regard.

However, for the purpose of the thread, using the Christian religion as a yardstick, let's assume heaven does exist, likewise hell.

Therefore, if heaven really exist, the question follows that what then is the ticket a person must possess in order to become an eligible candidate?

Allow me to quote from the bible at this point.

Matthew 5:20
(King James Version)

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Summarily explaining the above verse, you must be RIGHTEOUS according to God's standard of righteousness.

According to the bible, righteousness is when one is absolutely devoid of sin. And sin can take any form - your physical actions, words and thought.

In conclusion, therefore, you must guard these 3 parts of you from sin so you can be sure of making heaven when the last trumpet sounds.

Now, here's why I believe it's more easier for me to jump into the air, visit the comfort station, have a short picnic and pen a short story while still in mid-air before landing, than for you to eschew sin completely.

I'll shift focus to the mind which is where thoughts are formed, because it is the most difficult of the three things I mentioned to put in check. My keen observation and findings have revealed that the mind, at no given point in time, can ever maintain a pure state in totality. You see a well-endowed damsel while plodding the streets, already you are having ideas. You see someone whom nature cheated facially, you say in your mind without speaking out, "damn! That guy is really ugly."

And. . . . . . . Even if you confess your sins away at church, new ones will take position almost immediately. Even before you breath your last on your death bed, you'd conceive wrong thoughts just in time before you die without wanting to. It's like a reflex action. You cannot hold it to a leash. It just happens. Unless of course you are an inanimate object, but then again, objects have no feelings at all.
It's like someone telling you to keep your eyes open yet instructs that you not look at anything. And then asks you, what do you see?
How does that sound?
"Kukuma" kill me already biko.

And this is close to what God requires from us. The sheer complication and complexity of it all. Trying to think this through can just drive a person insane.

ALSO, the biblical God exhibits a system of rule I'd like to term "arbitrary", where he solely determines the do's and don'ts.

Come to think of it, even emperors, kings, queens, rulers, in a fair system, are subject to the laws they use to govern their subordinates. If and when they (these rulers), fall short, they are confronted with those set laws.

But amazingly, It's forbiddingly not so in God's case. He's all supreme. You cannot challenge nor question his decisions. What he says is final. Yet God prides himself fairer than all.

Okay, imagaine if our dear president, Muhammadu Buhari is the God we are talking about, just try to picture what would happen. . .

Here's what I surmised:

- Fulani Herdsmen would kill thousands with boundless impunity.

- Favouritism will be the norm.

- He could send lightening to strike you for criticising him on social media even.

I hope now, after some sober reflection, the implications have dawned on you? Are you kidding me? We would be done for in that event.



Lastly, even though you somehow manage to scale through the hurdle of sin, which I think is a dead impossible feat to achieve, there's still the inescapable problem of the big bad guy having to conclude your final fate.

My dear ladies and gentlemen, the above reasons are why I strongly suggest that we do away with the thought that heaven is "makeable".

It's either this Christian God never wanted us to share his paradise with him in the first place, or he's plain confused, or we are his little experiment to fight boredom, [b]or it's high time we started acknowledging that everything about the Christian religion is indeed what it rightly is - nothing more than a fictitious sensational tale intended to thrill but was rather badly written.

ArcToyin:
This is just your perception deduced from overlong thinking. It is baseless and untrue.

This is absolutely untrue too. You can only speak for yourself and not even for your neighbor. Have you heard of the man called Enoch
who walked with God and did not sin. If he can do this as a human, it is practically possible to achieve too. You don't know all human race so stop speaking base on what you see in your area.
Holy living can be hard to live in Lagos but easier in some states

KingSango:
Nonsense. Your ideas about well endowed women is wrong. Nothing is sinful about sex, because our ancestors made traditions that governed purity and wholesome values. There were empires that lasted centuries without war. All the people had substantialable livilihoods, no one was richer than the king, and children were paired and married at young ages. Every child knew their destiny and ebbo was made to ensure them. The elders were revered and respected. They were taken care of in old age.

Sin is perversions like sodomy and witchcraft.

NinjaX:
How is it just my perception and how is it baseless and untrue? Where is your evidence of those, or rather anyone, who has gone to heaven expect sensational tales conjured by bunch of drunk cavemen that you are made to believe happened in the bible?

Who is talking about those that went to the heaven here? You could call them different name or use a degrading adjective to qualify all because you don't believe their tales.
What am saying it u can never know the thought within me and you will be incorrect making inference based on whatever research you have made that I inhabit impure thoughts. Knowing fully well what the Bible say in Prov 4:23 'guide your heart with all diligence, from it comes the issue of life'. Phil 4:8 '...whatsoever things are true,... honest..., just..., pure..., lovely..., good report..., think on this things'. Prov 23:7, cool 3:2 etc. juxtaposing all these verses Is enough for me to control my thoughts.




The perfect scenario you described applies only to human rule where judgement is given on account of peoples actions and words. So what about the sins of the mind? How will earthly authorities manage that?

Seems you don't get the idea of sin I'm talking about. The sin I meant in this context is not the case whereby a smoker decides to quit smoking, or a drug addict resolves to stop doing drugs. Those thoughts that unconsciously flash through your mind without you realising it is the core of the matter here. And our mind, as long as you are still alive, is constantly set in that motion. Unless you die anyway.
I got what you are stressing even from the earlier post. consider the scriptures I put up there and you know is possible. Besides, if you entertain impure thoughts and you quickly put it behind you doesn't make you sin but further ruminating on it makes you guilty. for example, if I see a lady and the thought of dating or having sex with her comes up. If I don't quickly discard off my mind and keep on welcoming it then sin comes it but if I quickly do any with it then I won't be guilty of it.
There are ways you can stop impure thoughts. Impure thoughts mostly Come when you are alone. Once you mingle with people you have high chance of not experiencing it. So if I decide to always be with people, then am doing myself good.

Everyone has got opinions. Fact, stands above all.

Enoch. Not again. Don't tell me you actually believe that bullcrap.
Why shouldn't I believe. Was it not written in the book authenticated and inspired by God
Enoch existed long before the arrival of Jesus. He was not baptised, wasn't born again which are the requirements for making heaven so there's no way I'm buying that bullshit_ in whatever form it's packaged.
lol. So Abraham too is not in heaven? Before the arrival of Jesus, the standard of making heaven was different. Somebody lived holy life and you said he wasn't born again, the statement is a bullshit.

I could say I flew to the moon and back yesterday, and then proceed to write an interesting book with loads of packaging about it, so tell me, would you believe I did, if I also bring other people to bear testament to my claims?

NinjaX:
I'm sorry but you are not making any sense.

KingSango:
You are in err, because you are allowing European spiritual philsophy to define purity. Nothing wrong with looking upon a woman with sexual desire,

only when you pursue a path of impurity is it wrong.
Our nature will not allow us to look upon a well endowed woman and not be in awe.

You have to adjust yourself not hate nature.

The mind and heart rules the body, a good traditional upbringing will restrain you in all human situations. This current world hates purity and degrogates traditions in favor of world acceptance. There is no light in darkness. Ase.

ArcToyin:
How many people did you survey?
How many states did you carry out the survey?
How many countries did you visit for the survey?
Sincerely, you are getting it right?

Ranchhoddas:
I don't think there's any part of the bible that suggests what you have implied- equal punishment regardless of level of misdeed. The only one I can think of right now suggests otherwise.

Ikennablue:
yeah...i remember the part that says everyman will be judged according to his work... I think the major problem here is understanding the bible.

NinjaX:
Is that so?

Well, the below text stands in defiance against your opinion.

Matthew 5:28 But I tell you, everyone who looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.



More like a reflex action. It's uncontrollable. Nature programmed us that way. That's the point. When images hit the eyes, it immediately sends messages to the brain prompting the mind to respond to stimuli on impulse before you can blink. This process is faster than anything you can think of.

Thank you for admitting that much of it. Nice one.


Brilliant! Just brilliant.



Human situations as in words and actions, except thoughts.
Fixed!

In conclusion, you can only control what you say and do, not what you think or want to think. One can only will himself to not bring his dark thoughts to life. But the dark thoughts linger still, hiding in the innermost part of the mind. Sadly, God can see those thoughts. So our dreams of being in paradise are shattered.

Of course our ultimate dreams are crushed because God had already made it so right from the inception of man. God is nature. We can't fight against natuere. You said it yourself. And this God made a movie of our world. Now you understand why we can't alter some things. You can call those things nature, if you like, and nature is what? Nature is God.

Thread closed.

Cc:

Naijadeyhia.

NinjaX:
Most of the accounts of the bible are accepted by people in same measure as fictional books. They need not be certain that those events did happen. Faith takes good care of it.

But faith is useless to humanity, though not entirely useless. One needs a little bit of faith to carry on with the everyday activities of life.

Without faith, we can do nothing. Faith energizes us to pursue our goals, ends, or wants. But faith cannot work on its own.

Faith must go with action. But religion kind of suscribe to stand-alone faith in a twisted way. They say you must help yourself so that God will help you.

That you mustn't just sit idly after praying, you should try your hands at something and God will bless you through that engagement. But that's what humans have been doing ever since. Although in the case of men, it's known as hope, not prayers.

Hoping for something and working hard at it is likely to be successful.
Wonder why pastors say you must go into action else fortunes won't fall from heaven? Think about it.



Whether you quickly perish the thoughts of wanting to engage in sexual intercourse with a woman immediately those thoughts arise, amount to nothing.

Merely harbouring those thoughts, even for a split second, is all that matters. Rebuking those bad thoughts will make room for more thoughts. And it will happen again. Thoughts can take any form. Any form. Thing is, it will keep happening. All through your journey in life. Just like when you inhale oxygen and exhale carbondioxide. It's a continual process. It terminates only at death. You see, the mysteries of this amazing word are interconnected, one way or the other. Somehow. Mankind is doomed. It breaks my heart to admit this, but truth must be told. That's the reality we face, even though our perceptions differ.

ArcToyin:
Bible fictional book? How do you expect me to reason with your points when a well proven and divinely inspired source is disregarded by you. From all you have been saying, I have not seen any reference you quoted to support your message. Your words shows that you know more than those who wrote the bible. For your Info, we don't just believe the bible for faith sake as you have said but for a real time reality. All the events recorded in the Holy book happened, they are not just fiction. 2 Pet 1:20 says no message of the scripture came as a result of man's interpretation but by men who were moved by God.
I disagree with your view of Christians about faith. I will repeat again, you gave this assertions based on your idiosyncrasy. Check James 2:14 to end speak about faith with work. How will you tell me that christans are thought on stand-alone faith.

to you it might not amount to something, but as for me it amount to something. Dwelling on the thought might lead you to sin and If it doesn't you aren't guilty.
Wrong perceptions.

NinjaX:
One of the greatest mystery of the century that man has yet to unravel is the big question of what happens after death.

This question is so mind-boggling that over the years it has been accorded different answers by people from various walks of life.

So far so good, none of the speculations has been confirmed as true. And since no-one has journeyed to the land of the spirits and successfully came back on evidence, I believe I can safely assert from a resolute postion that none hold claims to possession of such knowledge in this regard.

However, for the purpose of the thread, using the Christian religion as a yardstick, let's assume heaven does exist, likewise hell.

Therefore, if heaven really exist, the question follows that what then is the ticket a person must possess in order to become an eligible candidate?

Allow me to quote from the bible at this point.

Matthew 5:20
(King James Version)

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Summarily explaining the above verse, you must be RIGHTEOUS according to God's standard of righteousness.

According to the bible, righteousness is when one is absolutely devoid of sin. And sin can take any form - your physical actions, words and thought.

In conclusion, therefore, you must guard these 3 parts of you from sin so you can be sure of making heaven when the last trumpet sounds.

Now, here's why I believe it's more easier for me to jump into the air, visit the comfort station, have a short picnic and pen a short story while still in mid-air before landing, than for you to eschew sin completely.

I'll shift focus to the mind which is where thoughts are formed, because it is the most difficult of the three things I mentioned to put in check. My keen observation and findings have revealed that the mind, at no given point in time, can ever maintain a pure state in totality. You see a well-endowed damsel while plodding the streets, already you are having ideas. You see someone whom nature cheated facially, you say in your mind without speaking out, "damn! That guy is really ugly."

And. . . . . . . Even if you confess your sins away at church, new ones will take position almost immediately. Even before you breath your last on your death bed, you'd conceive wrong thoughts just in time before you die without wanting to. It's like a reflex action. You cannot hold it to a leash. It just happens. Unless of course you are an inanimate object, but then again, objects have no feelings at all.
It's like someone telling you to keep your eyes open yet instructs that you not look at anything. And then asks you, what do you see?
How does that sound?
"Kukuma" kill me already biko.

And this is close to what God requires from us. The sheer complication and complexity of it all. Trying to think this through can just drive a person insane.

ALSO, the biblical God exhibits a system of rule I'd like to term "arbitrary", where he solely determines the do's and don'ts.

Come to think of it, even emperors, kings, queens, rulers, in a fair system, are subject to the laws they use to govern their subordinates. If and when they (these rulers), fall short, they are confronted with those set laws.

But amazingly, It's forbiddingly not so in God's case. He's all supreme. You cannot challenge nor question his decisions. What he says is final. Yet God prides himself fairer than all.

Okay, imagaine if our dear president, Muhammadu Buhari is the God we are talking about, just try to picture what would happen. . .

Here's what I surmised:

- Fulani Herdsmen would kill thousands with boundless impunity.

- Favouritism will be the norm.

- He could send lightening to strike you for criticising him on social media even.

I hope now, after some sober reflection, the implications have dawned on you? Are you kidding me? We would be done for in that event.



Lastly, even though you somehow manage to scale through the hurdle of sin, which I think is a dead impossible feat to achieve, there's still the inescapable problem of the big bad guy having to conclude your final fate.

My dear ladies and gentlemen, the above reasons are why I strongly suggest that we do away with the thought that heaven is "makeable".

It's either this Christian God never wanted us to share his paradise with him in the first place, or he's plain confused, or we are his little experiment to fight boredom, [b]or it's high time we started acknowledging that everything about the Christian religion is indeed what it rightly is - nothing more than a fictitious sensational tale intended to thrill but was rather badly written.

NinjaX:
Now we are going off the topic of discourse to disputing the validity of the bible. I don't know much about the history of the christian religion, but I do know that other religions that share similarities with it well precedes it. And if something is gotten from another thing, then it's only logical to think that that thing is not authentic.

Lol. You are saying everything about the bible is factual just because the bible says it is? What a ridiculous statement.

For a book supposedly inspired by an intelligent, compassionate all-powerful entity, it's not just appalling but shocking that it contains and supports violents inhuman acts against other humans. All the manslaughter, raping, wars, ransacking and what have you

Sir, you are not being honest to yourself so I will leave you to your opinion. I believe my previous post did justice to all points you raised

NinjaX:
Now we are going off the topic of discourse to disputing the validity of the bible. I don't know much about the history of the christian religion, but I do know that other religions that share similarities with it well precedes it. And if something is gotten from another thing, then it's only logical to think that that thing is not authentic.

Lol. You are saying everything about the bible is factual just because the bible says it is? What a ridiculous statement.

For a book supposedly inspired by an intelligent, compassionate all-powerful entity, it's not just appalling but shocking that it contains and supports violents inhuman acts against other humans. All the manslaughter, raping, wars, ransacking and what have you

Sir, you are not being honest to yourself so I will leave you to your opinion. I believe my previous post did justice to all points you raised

ifdaeg:
@OP am led by the spirit of the Lord to congratulate you for counting yourself out of the number that are believing God to be with Him in his kingdom forevermore. Welcome to HELL. Your eternal home of torment. You think your tiny brain that can cease from existence in the next 30seconds can judge GOD and HIS standards set for humanity. The last time I checked animals don't battle with sin, except Man because a fruit was eaten in a garden. That fruit like a virus breeds sin, and only the cleansing antivirus (the blood of Jesus Christ) can set you free from Sin. With people like you heaven is impossible but with God nothing shall be impossible. Once more, since you rejected heaven you can't reject hell. Thank God you won't come back to counter this thread when you die and find yourself before the God you just insulted. Once more welcome to hell Mr walking dead.

One of the greatest mystery of the century that man has yet to unravel is the big question of what happens after death.

This question is so mind-boggling that over the years it has been accorded different answers by people from various walks of life.

So far so good, none of the speculations has been confirmed as true. And since no-one has journeyed to the land of the spirits and successfully came back on evidence, I believe I can safely assert from a resolute postion that none hold claims to possession of such knowledge in this regard.

However, for the purpose of the thread, using the Christian religion as a yardstick, let's assume heaven does exist, likewise hell.

Therefore, if heaven really exist, the question follows that what then is the ticket a person must possess in order to become an eligible candidate?

Allow me to quote from the bible at this point.

Matthew 5:20
(King James Version)

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Summarily explaining the above verse, you must be RIGHTEOUS according to God's standard of righteousness.

According to the bible, righteousness is when one is absolutely devoid of sin. And sin can take any form - your physical actions, words and thought.

In conclusion, therefore, you must guard these 3 parts of you from sin so you can be sure of making heaven when the last trumpet sounds.

Now, here's why I believe it's more easier for me to jump into the air, visit the comfort station, have a short picnic and pen a short story while still in mid-air before landing, than for you to eschew sin completely.

I'll shift focus to the mind which is where thoughts are formed, because it is the most difficult of the three things I mentioned to put in check. My keen observation and findings have revealed that the mind, at no given point in time, can ever maintain a pure state in totality. You see a well-endowed damsel while plodding the streets, already you are having ideas. You see someone whom nature cheated facially, you say in your mind without speaking out, "damn! That guy is really ugly."

And. . . . . . . Even if you confess your sins away at church, new ones will take position almost immediately. Even before you breath your last on your death bed, you'd conceive wrong thoughts just in time before you die without wanting to. It's like a reflex action. You cannot hold it to a leash. It just happens. Unless of course you are an inanimate object, but then again, objects have no feelings at all.
It's like someone telling you to keep your eyes open yet instructs that you not look at anything. And then asks you, what do you see?
How does that sound?
"Kukuma" kill me already biko.

And this is close to what God requires from us. The sheer complication and complexity of it all. Trying to think this through can just drive a person insane.

ALSO, the biblical God exhibits a system of rule I'd like to term "arbitrary", where he solely determines the do's and don'ts.

Come to think of it, even emperors, kings, queens, rulers, in a fair system, are subject to the laws they use to govern their subordinates. If and when they (these rulers), fall short, they are confronted with those set laws.

But amazingly, It's forbiddingly not so in God's case. He's all supreme. You cannot challenge nor question his decisions. What he says is final. Yet God prides himself fairer than all.

Okay, imagaine if our dear president, Muhammadu Buhari is the God we are talking about, just try to picture what would happen. . .

Here's what I surmised:

- Fulani Herdsmen would kill thousands with boundless impunity.

- Favouritism will be the norm.

- He could send lightening to strike you for criticising him on social media even.

I hope now, after some sober reflection, the implications have dawned on you? Are you kidding me? We would be done for in that event.



Lastly, even though you somehow manage to scale through the hurdle of sin, which I think is a dead impossible feat to achieve, there's still the inescapable problem of the big bad guy having to conclude your final fate.

My dear ladies and gentlemen, the above reasons are why I strongly suggest that we do away with the thought that heaven is "makeable".

It's either this Christian God never wanted us to share his paradise with him in the first place, or he's plain confused, or we are his little experiment to fight boredom, [b]or it's high time we started acknowledging that everything about the Christian religion is indeed what it rightly is - nothing more than a fictitious sensational tale intended to thrill but was rather badly written.

oluwaseyi000:
has anyone ever thought of the fact that if Nigeria constitution/justice system is like God own, all Nigerians will simply be in life-jail

yet as bad as my country is: it never see me as jail worthy (I've never committed any serious offense)

it provides different levels of punishment to different level of offence and exempt minors from jail punishment

unlike God who will put a serial rapist, terrorist and murderer together with a fifteen year old who simply lie to her mother
threatened children with fire (my Sunday school teacher weekly obsession)

according to God constitution we and our corrupt politicians deserve same hell


God/Yahweh/Allah constitution and justice system is the most anti human and simply delusional

I don't understand why Christian pretend about this terrifying fact

One of the greatest mystery of the century that man has yet to unravel is the big question of what happens after death.

This question is so mind-boggling that over the years it has been accorded different answers by people from various walks of life.

So far so good, none of the speculations has been confirmed as true. And since no-one has journeyed to the land of the spirits and successfully came back on evidence, I believe I can safely assert from a resolute postion that none hold claims to possession of such knowledge in this regard.

However, for the purpose of the thread, using the Christian religion as a yardstick, let's assume heaven does exist, likewise hell.

Therefore, if heaven really exist, the question follows that what then is the ticket a person must possess in order to become an eligible candidate?

Allow me to quote from the bible at this point.

Matthew 5:20
(King James Version)

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Summarily explaining the above verse, you must be RIGHTEOUS according to God's standard of righteousness.

According to the bible, righteousness is when one is absolutely devoid of sin. And sin can take any form - your physical actions, words and thought.

In conclusion, therefore, you must guard these 3 parts of you from sin so you can be sure of making heaven when the last trumpet sounds.

Now, here's why I believe it's more easier for me to jump into the air, visit the comfort station, have a short picnic and pen a short story while still in mid-air before landing, than for you to eschew sin completely.

I'll shift focus to the mind which is where thoughts are formed, because it is the most difficult of the three things I mentioned to put in check. My keen observation and findings have revealed that the mind, at no given point in time, can ever maintain a pure state in totality. You see a well-endowed damsel while plodding the streets, already you are having ideas. You see someone whom nature cheated facially, you say in your mind without speaking out, "damn! That guy is really ugly."

And. . . . . . . Even if you confess your sins away at church, new ones will take position almost immediately. Even before you breath your last on your death bed, you'd conceive wrong thoughts just in time before you die without wanting to. It's like a reflex action. You cannot hold it to a leash. It just happens. Unless of course you are an inanimate object, but then again, objects have no feelings at all.
It's like someone telling you to keep your eyes open yet instructs that you not look at anything. And then asks you, what do you see?
How does that sound?
"Kukuma" kill me already biko.

And this is close to what God requires from us. The sheer complication and complexity of it all. Trying to think this through can just drive a person insane.

ALSO, the biblical God exhibits a system of rule I'd like to term "arbitrary", where he solely determines the do's and don'ts.

Come to think of it, even emperors, kings, queens, rulers, in a fair system, are subject to the laws they use to govern their subordinates. If and when they (these rulers), fall short, they are confronted with those set laws.

But amazingly, It's forbiddingly not so in God's case. He's all supreme. You cannot challenge nor question his decisions. What he says is final. Yet God prides himself fairer than all.

Okay, imagaine if our dear president, Muhammadu Buhari is the God we are talking about, just try to picture what would happen. . .

Here's what I surmised:

- Fulani Herdsmen would kill thousands with boundless impunity.

- Favouritism will be the norm.

- He could send lightening to strike you for criticising him on social media even.

I hope now, after some sober reflection, the implications have dawned on you? Are you kidding me? We would be done for in that event.



Lastly, even though you somehow manage to scale through the hurdle of sin, which I think is a dead impossible feat to achieve, there's still the inescapable problem of the big bad guy having to conclude your final fate.

My dear ladies and gentlemen, the above reasons are why I strongly suggest that we do away with the thought that heaven is "makeable".

It's either this Christian God never wanted us to share his paradise with him in the first place, or he's plain confused, or we are his little experiment to fight boredom, [b]or it's high time we started acknowledging that everything about the Christian religion is indeed what it rightly is - nothing more than a fictitious sensational tale intended to thrill but was rather badly written.

oluwaseyi000:
has anyone ever thought of the fact that if Nigeria constitution/justice system is like God own, all Nigerians will simply be in life-jail

yet as bad as my country is: it never see me as jail worthy (I've never committed any serious offense)

it provides different levels of punishment to different level of offence and exempt minors from jail punishment

unlike God who will put a serial rapist, terrorist and murderer together with a fifteen year old who simply lie to her mother
threatened children with fire (my Sunday school teacher weekly obsession)

according to God constitution we and our corrupt politicians deserve same hell


God/Yahweh/Allah constitution and justice system is the most anti human and simply delusional

I don't understand why Christian pretend about this terrifying fact

One of the greatest mystery of the century that man has yet to unravel is the big question of what happens after death.

This question is so mind-boggling that over the years it has been accorded different answers by people from various walks of life.

So far so good, none of the speculations has been confirmed as true. And since no-one has journeyed to the land of the spirits and successfully came back on evidence, I believe I can safely assert from a resolute postion that none hold claims to possession of such knowledge in this regard.

However, for the purpose of the thread, using the Christian religion as a yardstick, let's assume heaven does exist, likewise hell.

Therefore, if heaven really exist, the question follows that what then is the ticket a person must possess in order to become an eligible candidate?

Allow me to quote from the bible at this point.

Matthew 5:20
(King James Version)

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Summarily explaining the above verse, you must be RIGHTEOUS according to God's standard of righteousness.

According to the bible, righteousness is when one is absolutely devoid of sin. And sin can take any form - your physical actions, words and thought.

In conclusion, therefore, you must guard these 3 parts of you from sin so you can be sure of making heaven when the last trumpet sounds.

Now, here's why I believe it's more easier for me to jump into the air, visit the comfort station, have a short picnic and pen a short story while still in mid-air before landing, than for you to eschew sin completely.

I'll shift focus to the mind which is where thoughts are formed, because it is the most difficult of the three things I mentioned to put in check. My keen observation and findings have revealed that the mind, at no given point in time, can ever maintain a pure state in totality. You see a well-endowed damsel while plodding the streets, already you are having ideas. You see someone whom nature cheated facially, you say in your mind without speaking out, "damn! That guy is really ugly."

And. . . . . . . Even if you confess your sins away at church, new ones will take position almost immediately. Even before you breath your last on your death bed, you'd conceive wrong thoughts just in time before you die without wanting to. It's like a reflex action. You cannot hold it to a leash. It just happens. Unless of course you are an inanimate object, but then again, objects have no feelings at all.
It's like someone telling you to keep your eyes open yet instructs that you not look at anything. And then asks you, what do you see?
How does that sound?
"Kukuma" kill me already biko.

And this is close to what God requires from us. The sheer complication and complexity of it all. Trying to think this through can just drive a person insane.

ALSO, the biblical God exhibits a system of rule I'd like to term "arbitrary", where he solely determines the do's and don'ts.

Come to think of it, even emperors, kings, queens, rulers, in a fair system, are subject to the laws they use to govern their subordinates. If and when they (these rulers), fall short, they are confronted with those set laws.

But amazingly, It's forbiddingly not so in God's case. He's all supreme. You cannot challenge nor question his decisions. What he says is final. Yet God prides himself fairer than all.

Okay, imagaine if our dear president, Muhammadu Buhari is the God we are talking about, just try to picture what would happen. . .

Here's what I surmised:

- Fulani Herdsmen would kill thousands with boundless impunity.

- Favouritism will be the norm.

- He could send lightening to strike you for criticising him on social media even.

I hope now, after some sober reflection, the implications have dawned on you? Are you kidding me? We would be done for in that event.



Lastly, even though you somehow manage to scale through the hurdle of sin, which I think is a dead impossible feat to achieve, there's still the inescapable problem of the big bad guy having to conclude your final fate.

My dear ladies and gentlemen, the above reasons are why I strongly suggest that we do away with the thought that heaven is "makeable".

It's either this Christian God never wanted us to share his paradise with him in the first place, or he's plain confused, or we are his little experiment to fight boredom, [b]or it's high time we started acknowledging that everything about the Christian religion is indeed what it rightly is - nothing more than a fictitious sensational tale intended to thrill but was rather badly written.