4everGod:



This is the end of the Matter. Well done Bro.

They know it but will rather bury their heads in the sand.

ScepticalPyrrho:


The problem with posts like this is the inability of the poster to identify the "big leap" you took from the bolded part to the Bible quotations.

How did you make the huge jump from assuming there must be a creator to referring to an ancient manuscript as a source of information about the creator?

What authenticates these books?

Does the Bible also indicate an intelligent design beyond the rhetorics and unverifiable stories written therein.

Not all atheists are against creationism. But for the sake of this debate, let us assume I don't accept your version of creator because I see no connection between mind-boggling texts in the bible and the assumed creator in your post.

Why should the bible stories be taken as true?

There is no assumption in my claim that the God of the Bible created all things and I can use the laws of logic and science to prove this:

There are only three possibilities from where the universe can come from. By way of elimination we will arrive at the scientific evidence of the origin of the universe. It is either:

(1). The universe created itself; or

(2). The universe has always existed, or

(3). The universe was created.

1. The universe created itself:

Can something create itself? Can nothing create something? The answer to these is an absolute No. We all know that something cannot create itself and nothing can't create something. From Latin we have the phrase "ex nihilo, nihil fit" meaning "from nothing, nothing comes." It also violates the law of cause and effect, that says for every effect there must be a cause. The effect can't be greater than the cause and nothing cannot be greater than something. Therefore, based on the laws of science and logic, the universe couldn't have created itself. That leaves us with options 2 and 3.

2. The univese has always existed:

Lets go to the 2nd law of thermodynamics that basically teaches that "the whole universe is losing usable energy for doing usable work." This means that the usable energy in this universe is wearing down. The universe as a whole is losing energy. In other words, molecules as a whole are slowing down.

Therefore, if this universe was eternal we will be in what is called a "virtual heat death." This means that there will be virtually no molecular movement. Everything would have lost its available heat energy for doing work. Therefore, the universe cannot be eternal, it must have had a beginning. The theory that the universe has always existed or is eternal has to be false based on the law of science and logic. This leaves us with only one possibility based on science. And this is:

3. The universe was created:

"In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Genesis 1:1

Science confirms the biblical verse that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth as we have just shown. With this verse we see that God is outside time. He is eternal, with no beginning or end. He also knows all things, being infinitely intelligent. To recognise His handiwork, you should be able to know how to recognise the evidence of the works of His intelligence. That is the evidence.

Blogthug

When you click on the quotation icon you will get two boxes- [quote][/quote]

The difference between those two boxes is that one has the slash (/) symbol.

The one without the slash symbol should come first before anything you want to quote, then you end it with the one with the slash symbol.

Whatever you want to quote should be between or in the middle of those two boxes

So you can do that between anyone's post you wish to quote. I hope you get it now?

hopefulLandlord:
Blogthug, you can reply the above post by copying and pasting from the "Example" part,

OK I get you

removing the (.) aka fullstop I added after the symbol [ and clicking post

yeah

hopefulLandlord:
Blogthug, you can reply the

OK great

didn't understand wha

yes o

didn't understand wha

above post by copying and pasting from the "Example" part, removing the (.) aka fullstop I added after the symbol [ and clicking post

bennyann:
Blogthug

When you click on the quotation icon you will get two boxes-

The difference between those two boxes is that one has the slash (/) symbol.

The one without the slash symbol should come first before anything you want to quote, then you end it with the one with the slash symbol.

Whatever you want to quote should be between or in the middle of those two boxes

So you can do that between anyone's post you wish to quote. I hope you get it now?

thanks bro

Blogthug:


thanks

It's my pleasure

rhektor:


The same way Atheists has joined Atheism with science.

lol it always amazes me when most new atheists starts thinking they own science the way some Christians think they own God, even Baron and Descartes the founders of science were theists, also looking at history, over 70% of Nobel Prize Winners for science are theists

https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates#

enshy:

You just goofed!
So atheists are only comparable to animals, its well said!
Your hope at death is that of an animal! No wonder your vision, thinking is as an animal indeed.
Your folly is on a GP!!

And who told you that animals wouldn't exist again after death? Animals have souls if you don't know.

OLAADEGBU:


There is no assumption in my claim that the God of the Bible created all things and I can use the laws of logic and science to prove this:

There are only three possibilities from where the universe can come from. By way of elimination we will arrive at the scientific evidence of the origin of the universe. It is either:

(1). The universe created itself; or

(2). The universe has always existed, or

(3). The universe was created.

1. The universe created itself:

Can something create itself? Can nothing create something? The answer to these is an absolute No. We all know that something cannot create itself and nothing can't create something. From Latin we have the phrase "ex nihilo, nihil fit" meaning "from nothing, nothing comes." It also violates the law of cause and effect, that says for every effect there must be a cause. The effect can't be greater than the cause and nothing cannot be greater than something. Therefore, based on the laws of science and logic, the universe couldn't have created itself. That leaves us with options 2 and 3.

2. The univese has always existed:

Lets go to the 2nd law of thermodynamics that basically teaches that "the whole universe is losing usable energy for doing usable work." This means that the usable energy in this universe is wearing down. The universe as a whole is losing energy. In other words, molecules as a whole are slowing down.

Therefore, if this universe was eternal we will be in what is called a "virtual heat death." This means that there will be virtually no molecular movement. Everything would have lost its available heat energy for doing work. Therefore, the universe cannot be eternal, it must have had a beginning. The theory that the universe has always existed or is eternal has to be false based on the law of science and logic. This leaves us with only one possibility based on science. And this is:

3. The universe was created:

"In the Beginning God created the heaven and the earth." -- Genesis 1:1

Science confirms the biblical verse that in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth as we have just shown. With this verse we see that God is outside time. He is eternal, with no beginning or end. He also knows all things, being infinitely intelligent. To recognise His handiwork, you should be able to know how to recognise the evidence of the works of His intelligence. That is the evidence.

Another hypocritical statement.

As an adult you present the verse of the Bible as evidence?

You need to take further training on research methodology.

otemanuduno:


And who told you that animals wouldn't exist again after death? Animals have souls if you don't know.

Read the posts well..I didnt say that someone else did.
Do you believe in the composite nature of man?

enshy:

Read the posts well..I didnt say that someone else did.
Do you believe in the composite nature of man?

Yes, and I also believe in the composite nature of every other animal.

Blogthug:


strawman, do u agree God exists? yes, no or I don't know?
yes we do, from the evidence of the Big Bang we can deduce that the initial singularity (time, space and matter) started after the Big Bang before, since something cant come from nothing, it means the cause of the Big Bang is something, now if it is something what would it be? if our universe (time space and matter) began at some point, this means the cause of the universe by necessity will be timeless, spaceless and matterless hence supernatural, but not just supernatural powerful as well powerful and a creative force that fits the definition of God, there are other logical evidences supporting Intelligent creator, deism 101

Deism is just another speculation.

It doesn't hold water.

Blogthug:


lol it always amazes me when most new atheists starts thinking they own science the way some Christians think they own God, even Baron and Descartes the founders of science were theists, also looking at history, over 70% of Nobel Prize Winners for science are theists

https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates#

Theism or Atheism doesn't determine success. It all depends on following the GOLDEN RULE "USE YOUR BRAIN CRITICALLY."

Blogthug:


then from this day, u are no longer an atheist but an agnostic. I recommend u read about T H Huxley, he is the founder of agnosticism , I have lots of evidences for God to bring u to deism sha, if u are interested whatsapp 07034362071, don't worry u won't have to go to church, if that's what u r scared of :b

Don't worry about that, I do go to church sometimes...

Give it your best shot.

A deist is just an atheist who is a creationist.

otemanuduno:
Yes, and I also believe in the composite nature of every other animal.

So is there any difference between that of man and animal? What is that of man & animal?

ScepticalPyrrho:
Don't worry about that, I do go to church sometimes...

Give it your best shot.

A deist is just an atheist who is a creationist.

Sense!!!

but I love how theists especially Christians argue more for deism these days; shows they're seeing how unconvincing and nonsensical their theistic claims are so they quickly run to deism

I've got no issues with a deistic god devoid of claims and doctrines

But the Abrahamic god? The Abrahamic religions? Those are rather trivially demonstrated false, beyond reasonable doubt, based on massive internal inconsistencies, clear moral damage, and overwhelming objective evidence contradicting the assertions they make and the assertions made on their behalf.

hopefulLandlord:


Sense!!!

but I love how theists especially Christians argue more for deism these days; shows they're seeing how unconvincing and nonsensical their theistic claims are so they quickly run to deism

I've got no issues with a deistic god devoid of claims and doctrines

But the Abrahamic god? The Abrahamic religions? Those are rather trivially demonstrated false, beyond reasonable doubt, based on massive internal inconsistencies, clear moral damage, and overwhelming objective evidence contradicting the assertions they make and the assertions made on their behalf.

Succinctly put.

Yahweh/Allah believers are the worst of all theist.

They would crucify any person to prove that their God is powerful.

enshy:

So is there any difference between that of man and animal? What is that of man & animal?

Man is an animal; fortunately we are higher animals.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Succinctly put.
Yahweh/Allah believers are the worst of all theist.
They would crucify any person to prove that their God is powerful.

true

ScepticalPyrrho:
Deism is just another speculation.
It doesn't hold water.

because u say so? that's your opinion, present your argument

otemanuduno:
Theism or Atheism doesn't determine success. It all depends on following the GOLDEN RULE "USE YOUR BRAIN CRITICALLY."

stramwan, who said it determines success please?

enshy:

Nonsense!
Atheism as is the case of drunkeness, hopelessness and shame is only best described, read about and not experienced!
Atheism is only an hypothesis for the fools to grope over! Its only fit for the thrash can!!

here u go again enshy, using curses to defend ur nonexistent God.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Don't worry about that, I do go to church sometimes...

oh OK, me too, but mostly when invited

Give it your best shot.

you would have to add me first, since u aren't paying me

A deist is just an atheist who is a creationist.

category error fallacy! if A is not B then A is not B, saying a deist is just an atheist means u don't even know what u are talking about.

Do u think Atheists believe in God? cuz All deist believe in an impersonal creative force God while most also believe in intelligent design and reject revealed religion and their supernatural claims, miracles, visions and prophecies.

All creationist are Christians that believe in Evolution. mind u there are also Christian deists who reject the supernatural claims about Jesus they just follow his teachings like how I follow Confucius's teachings.

all atheist don't believe in God and intelligent design or think the universe isn't intended that everything boils down to mindless random atoms coming together, lol.

it's quite ridiculous, think of it, at what point would random atoms produce consciousness or even intelligence? have u researched about the probability of life arising randomly? what are the odds? does your life have a purpose if everything boils down to atoms? do u think morality is subjective? if yes, did Hitler do any wrong thing? if he felt what he did was right. think about all this, atheism is ridiculous, materialism isn't all there is, u have a mind don't u?

rawgurl:

here u go again enshy, using curses to defend ur nonexistent God.

No curses dear! Atheism is only described. Repent lest you perish without trace!

enshy:
No curses dear! Atheism is only described. Repent lest you perish without trace!

u are appealing to fear and it's a fallacy

otemanuduno:
Man is an animal; fortunately we are higher animals.

You killed it!
If man is an higher animal, then man isnt equal with animal, is this correct?
How is man therefore different from animal in their composite nature?

enshy:

You killed it!
If man is an higher animal, then man isnt equal with animal, is this correct?
How is man therefore different from animal in their composite nature?

What exactly are you driving at?

enshy:

Repent lest you perish without trace!

How do you know he will perish without trace? Has anyone perished because he did not repent?

enshy:

No curses dear!
Atheism is only described.
Repent lest you perish without trace!

OK

Blogthug:


u are appealing to fear and it's a fallacy

I guess you see evil and rush into it!
What fallacy there is in your response!
The Bible says 'the prudent man foreseeth the evil and hideth himself but the simple pass on and are punished' - Prov 27:12

otemanuduno:

How do you know he will perish without trace? Has anyone perished because he did not repent?

You shouldnt know cos you are ignorant of existence of God, beginning of life, end of life, to these you have always confessed you dont know.
My friend, I know 'it is appointed to every man once to die, after this judgment'
If you want to escape, please run to Jesus, escape the damnation to come, seek Jesus while you may, confess and forsake your sins, you will surely find help with Him..Amen!