YourNemesis:
The Yoruba were the major African group on the Island of Bahamas in the 1800s, and Oyo was said to have been a Major supplier.

bigfrancis21:


DNA doesn't change regardless. That is why regardless of the color, your so-called acculturation, or degree of mixing of african americans today, DNA tests are still able to pinpoint what tribe their very first ancestor came from. Just as the population of Yorubas with Igbo DNA is on a geometric rise in Yoruba land, 50 years from now Yorubas would be said to have heavy Igbo descent in them.

100 years from now, as many as 40% of Yorubas would be doing DNA testing with results indicating to eastern Nigeria.

bigfrancis21:


DNA doesn't change regardless. That is why regardless of the color, your so-called acculturation, or degree of mixing of african americans today, DNA tests are still able to pinpoint what tribe their very first ancestor came from. Just as the population of Yorubas with Igbo DNA through inter-marriage is on a geometric rise in Yoruba land, 50 years from now Yorubas would be said to have heavy Igbo descent in them.

100 years from now, as many as 40% of Yorubas may be doing DNA testing with results indicating to eastern Nigeria.

YourNemesis:


You are mixing up two things.
I am telling you that Yoruba DNA is the benchmark for Middle Guinea saves in the new world, Mandenkas for the Western Guinea, and of course Bantu and SAN have their own components.
The component of DNA African shares were not done under any wrong assumptions, they knew what exactly they were doing. Mandenka and Wolof DNA are not that different Hence The proportions you see there representing slaves from that axis. Same with Yoruba, Igbo Etc from the middle guinea coast.

Check any DNA documents of Africans - Yoruba always hold the pole/anchor position.

HORRORIZON:


As a share of the overall diaspora population in the Americas at large, Yoruba linage certainly dose hold a sizable share. Now when speaking specifically in regard to the African-American and Bahamian populations, it is a practically insignificant amount within these two populations. Igbo is the single most dominant bloodline of any one specific African ethnic group; making up the majority of the bloodline of upwards of possibly 60% of the AA population descended from the Chesapeake/Delaware Bay region alone. That's every state from Delaware down through Virginia, and even includes Southern PA and NJ as well most of the Northern part of North Carolina.

There are books, cemeteries, towns and more in which express just how dominant the Igbo presence in the region was over all the other ethnic groups in this vast area. President James Madison's own father was believed to have been poisoned to death, by one of his female igbo house slaves, after he had sexually abused several of his young Igbo house girls. Over 80 percent of his slaves were of Igbo descent.

You are mistaken to think that just because traditional Igbo customs aren't as prevalent withing the Black-North American populations than the Yoruba is within the South American populations, that the Igbo didn't care to preserve their traditions. The fact of the mater is that, the Igbo and Senegabians, due to their nature of defiance to having their liberties taken away.. were most often sent to the the Anglo colonies. The Anglo enslaving culture was extremely strict on "breaking" their slaves as soon as they arrived in port.

They tortured them until they committed to eliminating any presence of their native ways, and replaced them with that of their in-slavers right down to their very names. They created laws and punishments that constantly reinforced this situation from one generation to next until the defiance in the slave population was nearly wiped out. This is the reason the AA and other Anglophone black population in the Americas have little sign of Igbo or any other African cultural aspects about them.

HORRORIZON:


As a share of the overall diaspora population in the Americas at large, Yoruba lineage certainly dose hold a sizable share. Now when speaking specifically in regard to the African-American and Bahamian populations, it is a practically insignificant amount within these two populations. Igbo is the single most dominant bloodline of any one specific African ethnic group; making up the majority of the bloodline of upwards of possibly 60% of the AA population descended from the Chesapeake/Delaware Bay region alone. That's every state from Delaware down through Virginia, and even includes Southern PA and NJ as well most of the Northern part of North Carolina.

YonkijiSappo:


Sorry, but I am just curious to know if you really know what DNA testing entails?
Have you ever seen a Genomic category anywhere , called "Eastern Nigerian" ?
There is nothing like eastern nigeria DNA, lol.
As categories, you can see things like Nigeria, Benin/Togo, Cameroon/Congo, Hunter gatherer, Senegambian OR
West African, East African, Bantu, Khoi-San, Etc. But you won't see anything like Western Ghanaian, Eastern Cameroonian, Southern Senegalese etc.

Igbos for example are usually a mix of three components, Nigeria, Benin Togo and Cameroon-Congo. In that order.
Yorubas are also, Nigeria, Benin-Togo and Cameroon-Togo.
The only difference between both groups is that Yorubas usually have slightly more Benin-Togo than Cameroon-Congo , while Igbos usually have more Cameroon-Congo than Benin-Togo. Both have the Nigerian component as a given.
This isn't really surprising , especially if you look at the geographic location of both groups and correlate it with direction of ancient gene flow.

Everybody is a mixture of different discrete regions.

We can verify this by reviewing the two AncestryDNA results shown below for persons of confirmed fully Igbo and Yoruba ancestry. As expected because of geographical proximity the Yoruba person shows a greater degree of “Benin/Togo” than the Igbo person, but for both it is very substantial. They are of course only individual results (see the very first chart for a group average calculated by myself and this graph for the samples used by Ancestry.com) but in theory any Yoruba or Igbo ancestor having a similar genetic profile could have passed on “Benin/Togo” markers to their American-born descendants. For Jamaicans the Yoruba option is likely to be more relevant than it is for African Americans because of the additional arrival of socalled “Nago” contract labourers after the Abolition of slavery. But for both i suppose at least a minor degree of socalled “Benin/Togo” could very well also have found its way in their AncestryDNA results by way of Igbo or Biafran ancestry.
https://tracingafricanroots./ancestrydna-regions/benintogo-region/

mimifonwon:
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Anyways the test for me came out this way:

Father- yoruba from ijebu-igbo= 35% igbo of subsharan africa, 55% yoruba of subsharan africa, 10% of fulani of subsharan africa.
Mother-95% igbo of subsharan africa, 5% undetermined

Then i did my own
and me= 65% igbo of subsharan africa, 25% of yoruba of subsharan africa, and 10% fulani of subsharan africa



So basically the genes that are shared between each group that never changed is what gives the percentage- that is how most african americans sold into slavery are tracing their roots back to africa. I hope i explained it well

BlackPikiN:

How is your dad 35% Igbo since you said He's 100% yoruba.

mimifonwon:
Exactly, because of the bias in his father's family against easterners, his dad omitted the part that they married igbo women, so it showed that what we believe is not truly the reality of things, that is why i had our dna samples tested.I am now doing more research on my father's village in ijebu-igbo just to see how much of them truly belong to each tribe,it will take sometim -maybe years, but its a task i have taken up; because whether we all like it or not, we are mixed up somehow, and contrary to believe there are slight genetic differences found in each tribe.Its self explanatory if you carefully read the post. anyways DNA dont lie, people do.

mimifonwon:
So i met a nigerian professor who teaches at northwestern university. i introduced myself as igbo and yoruba, and he in turn says- then that means we are kin, cuz am egba. I was like oh, so you are yoruba, and he says, no i am igbo aka egba. I was confused, because in my 24 years of life, i have only heard from my yoruba cousins and southwestern friends that egbas are yoruba. So We sat down over tea and this man of 64 years of age, started giving me history lessons, on how the southwestern Nigeria was orginally only inhabitated by igbo tribe and her clans. I kinda just noded and smiled. He began to tell me that their native tongue is more similar to onitsha igbo than yoruba. But i didnt say anything-mainly cuz all the yoruba people who say they are of egba clan speak only yoruba language. So i kept listening and he started telling me that the original yoruba were people like oyo and ijebus who are more close in relations with the northern tribes like hausa. He said that we young people have let colonialism corrupt our histories. I myself I am infactuated with history and research, but most of what he told me, he said were directly from his father and great grandfather. Ah i didnt know what to say. He went on to say that modern egbas due to yoruba conquering them through a woman now is loosing their language and culture, while buying into yoruba culture. I just smiled. But after I got home today from work I decided to research to know if this was true. I think our elders like our grandparents are the ones who can tell us the truths about our identities. It is sad but true because i think its about time that we youths start asking or great grand or grand parents who are still alive for our geneology and ethnic compositions. Anyways one of my friend's directed me to this video of people singing in egba dialect first, so do we have egba speakers here? I speak yoruba and ngwa igbo which is very different but yet similar to other igbo languages. My cousins speak ika igbo, and though i understand some of the things they say 60 percent of the time, they also have a hard time understanding me 100 %. But when I speak my ijebu-igbo yoruba dialect to any yoruba person i see, they understand me very well. So my other question is why is the igbo language so different when it comes to different clans. I remember My first time of meeting my cousin's nnewi inlaws and i greeted them the normal ngwa igbo greetings i have learned from childhood -which is called itu maazi. I did so, but they were confused and couldnt understand me. Even when I say "nda" or "olia" to people not from abia or owerri they dont understand me. So Why is Igbo so different from clan to clan? My igbo friend from southern cameroon speaks ohafia igbo, but sometimes when she speaks fast, i get lost in translation. So IGBOS WHy IS YOUR LANGUAGE SO DIFFERENT FROM clan to Clan or shall i call IGBO a nation and say from tribe to tribe? PLease help me with some answers, why do you guys have that type of variety?

Below is the egba song mxed with a little yoruba. IF someone speaks egba only fluently no yoruba mixture, can you please write simple greetings and sayings for me below?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDxPawzD95Q

I also found this song interesting while youtubing, man I love our differences, it makes us all so unique and beautiful enjoy!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2gxQHwxIh4

bigfrancis21:
Population of Southern Nigeria as of 1921

https://books.google.com/books?id=GUc8AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA4&lpg=PA6&focus=viewport&dq=ika+igbo+bini&output=html_text

cc YourNemesis Laudate Lawani Lushore

MtuMsuper:
A not so casual observation.
I have once met a bajan (Barbados ) man and they tell me the igbo part of their heritage is taught in schools. I have a YouTube video somewhere, i can't find it now which tells of the story of the capture of an ancestor from igboland. Also he told me among the carribean nations, there is a stereotype about the bajans having legendary tempers, fierce personal freedoms and the love of money.
Coincidence?

YourNemesis:


Just telling you Yorubas most likely outnumbered Igbos on the new world, from all indications. Even if not by much.

All in all, it all depends on the country. Countries like Jamaica and the US had more Igbo slaves.

YourNemesis:


Just telling you Yorubas most likely outnumbered Igbos on the new world, from all indications. Even if not by much.

All in all, it all depends on the country. Countries like Jamaica and the US had more Igbo slaves.

YonkijiSappo:


Sorry, but I am just curious to know if you really know what DNA testing entails?
Have you ever seen a Genomic category anywhere , called "Eastern Nigerian" ?
There is nothing like eastern nigeria DNA, lol.
As categories, you can see things like Nigeria, Benin/Togo, Cameroon/Congo, Hunter gatherer, Senegambian OR
West African, East African, Bantu, Khoi-San, Etc. But you won't see anything like Western Ghanaian, Eastern Cameroonian, Southern Senegalese etc.

Igbos for example are usually a mix of three components, Nigeria, Benin Togo and Cameroon-Congo. In that order.
Yorubas are also, Nigeria, Benin-Togo and Cameroon-Togo.
The only difference between both groups is that Yorubas usually have slightly more Benin-Togo than Cameroon-Congo , while Igbos usually have more Cameroon-Congo than Benin-Togo. Both have the Nigerian component as a given.
This isn't really surprising , especially if you look at the geographic location of both groups and correlate it with direction of ancient gene flow.

Everybody is a mixture of different discrete regions.

YourNemesis:
The Yoruba were the major African group on the Island of Bahamas in the 1800s, and Oyo was said to have been a Major supplier.

ezeagu:


That's only because the people took markers by former colonial borders, there are markers that can tell if someone is from eastern Nigeria but that can only be done if they are singled out as such and not thrown into 'Nigeria'.

YonkijiSappo:


Like Jewish markers?

This is not a question of colonial borders, in fact these categories go past colonial borders, for example, most Nigerians have significant Benin/Togo ancestry. Yet they are not Nigerians, and we are not Beninese.

ezeagu:


Markers similar to Beninese because the markers were assumed to be based on them, just like how there's an entire one for the huge region of Cameroon/Congo. This why Hausa people get Nigeria results without Benin/Togo and Cameroon/Congo, it's random.

his person explains the results in detail: https://tracingafricanroots./ancestrydna/african-results/nigerian-results/

YonkijiSappo:


It isn't just "Assumed" to be a Beninese/Togolese marker for assumption sake.

The marker is labelled such, because that is where its highest concentrations are found. Most people from Benin/Togo region usually show a 90%+ dominance of it in their genomic breakdown. Same for people from Ghana/CV wh usually show like 80-90+% of that particular region.... It goes without saying, Cameroon/Congo is the same.

Nigerians usually seem to be the odd ones out, we have more fragmented DNA due to our complex history.

Infact, it has been said that Nigerians show the lowest concentrations of a marker assigned to them in general, because Nigerians as it turns out are a very very mixed African population. The Average Nigerian may not score more than 70% Nigeria most times, and that is for a very Nigerian person. Fulanis have some Senegalese and North Africa, Igbos have some Cameroon/Congo and Benin Togo with the former being slightly more than the later. Yorubas have Benin/Togo and Cameroon/Congo in the same vein, While all sorts of Nigerians show Ghana others Mali with a sprinkling of Bantu all over. A lot of people from our neighboring regions seems to have all migrated into the geographical space of what is now Nigeria in the past, hence the lower concentrations of "Nigerian" DNA markers among Nigerians themselves.
People from places right in the middle of Nigeria like Kogi and Plateau should do these tests, I am sure they would be the ones with the highest proportion of Nigerian unique markers.

Personally, I won't be surprised if I take a DNA test and score less than 65% Nigerian.

ezeagu:


The Orisha thing is very surface level, it's not something that has become or has been embedded in mainland North America. There were more Yoruba slaves, but they mainly went to Latin American countries. In the English of islands like Jamaica and Barbados the Igbo language is embedded in the language so much so that grammatical structure and some pronouns are influenced or are from Igbo.

Orisha in North America mainland is kind of like Judaism among Igbo people, it's a sentimental thing that doesn't really have precedence in the culture as opposed to important aspects of diasporan culture that academics look at as the cultural corpus or the main characteristics of a given area of the diaspora. It is noticeable that little to no attention is given to Orisha in the North American mainland inside academia, it's treated like wicca or any other new-age fad. Core African American culture is soul food, African American vernacular, family ties, music, etc. Nobody would claim that Orisha is part of African American culture but would rather say a minority of African Americans embrace it as a foreign religion used to connect back to Africa in some way.

All this is to say that if scrutinised, Igbo/Bight of Biafra culture is more relevant to African American culture than Bight of Benin ancestry is, also to Anglo Caribbean culture. The rediscovery of the Virginia Igbo link alone in academia is outpacing any new-age African adoptions.

bigfrancis21:


@bold...to add to this, there is a gradual general awakening going on right now among African Americans regarding their part/full Igbo ancestry. I go on several websites, Facebook or even YouTube and I see many of them proclaiming some level of Igbo ancestry compared to Yoruba. Yoruba popularity today among blacks in the new world was really made so by the survival of the religion in Brazil which spread/was imported into other countries in South America. Those who indulge in orisha do so as a connection to mama Africa or African ancestral origins, but not necessarily because they are of Yoruba ancestry. To these people, Ifa is a religion and anybody is welcome to practice it. It would be wrong to assume every black practitioner of the religion is of Yoruba ancestry.