Joagbaje:


At least real names were given. Any one who doubt can disprove by making a search. on face book or enquire from the church

True bro

akintom:


This charade was done, courtesy of prophet Jeremiah ( A. K. A the forensic prophet), in warri.

The guy is very familiar con artist.

Prove it or remain silent

Joagbaje:

obviously you didnt watch the video ?

No, he didn't.

Gombs:


Every one please note... This guy isn't about knowing the truth. He's a joke.

How can a man be willing to subject himself to the above "Humiliation" just because of a "movie role"... And looking at the below pic saying it was a fake wound

I watch this exact kind of wounds in Nollywood movies nowadays. Are Nollywood wounds also real?

Joagbaje:

watch the video first. then respond intelligently

Sir, i know you'll respond to Otem. never o.

felixomor:
Otem
Has fooled himself here again.
Telling lies just because of a simple video


Mscheww,
I wonder how these guys really sleep at night.

LOL, I don't sleep at night
I fly in the night

Gombs:
Otem is a well known mentally unstable nairalander. He should visit the church before his case is fully street blown

Thank you.

analice107:

Sir, i know you'll respond to Otem. never o.

Are u obsessed with my name?

As graphic as this picture below is, yet it isn't real. It is a snapshot from a Nollywood movie. Now tell me why the one here should be realler than this.

OtemAtum:
As graphic as this picture below is, yet it isn't real. It is a snapshot from a Nollywood movie. Now tell me why the one here should be realler than this.

I took my time to watch the video first. All of it. It takes a trained eye to detect reality from make believe and I am a trained eye sir with 6 years Paramedic experience and another 3 in the trauma unit of a hospital. The first pictures of the mad man are true injuries as they clearly show chaffing on the skin and lacerations going below the skin line with no inflammatory indication. Plus you can clearly see the flaking skin from chain burns or from the lengthy cutting off of blood supply to his wrists and ankles from the chains being on too tight which would also cause the lacerations on his wrist and ankles.

Your own picture however is a clear fake as cuts of that nature in your picture do not have clean swells around the edges. When they do it's septic and I see none of that in your picture. Plus the cuts are too consistent to be real which also shows that it's made up.

In movies people tend to overdo the injury look and like I said, a trained eye can tell the difference.

spacetacular:



I took my time to watch the video first. All of it. It takes a trained eye to detect reality from make believe and I am a trained eye sir with 6 years Paramedic experience and another 3 in the trauma unit of a hospital. The first pictures of the mad man are true injuries as they clearly show chaffing on the skin and lacerations going below the skin line with no inflammatory indication. Plus you can clearly see the flaking skin from chain burns or from the lengthy cutting off of blood supply to his wrists and ankles from the chains being on too tight which would also cause the lacerations on his wrist and ankles.

Your own picture however is a clear fake as cuts of that nature in your picture do not have clean swells around the edges. When they do it's septic and I see none of that in your picture. Plus the cuts are too consistent to be real which also shows that it's made up.

In movies people tend to overdo the injury look and like I said, a trained eye can tell the difference.

Keep deceiving yourself.

OtemAtum:
Keep deceiving yourself.

Deceit? You used pictures to try to push your deception which was why I said a trained eye can tell the difference. So if I may ask sir how well trained are your eyes medically?

spacetacular:



Deceit? You used pictures to try to push your deception which was why I said a trained eye can tell the difference. So if I may ask sir how well trained are your eyes medically?

My eyes are psychologically well trained and since the video is trying to show us a psychological artwork, I could detect its fakeness straightaway. However, the explanation you were making up there still didn't make sense, but only to the gullibles will it make sense.

Joagbaje:


Prove it or remain silent

You that coward away, from a challenge to come and prove the ability of your God, healing amputee?

You see, i have transcended the realm of asserting, what i don't have evidence on.

I have two clients, who have personally met your "forensic prophet", they came back, just the same way they went. But not without lost of substantial cash, to his abracadabra through;

*accommodation that he provided
*bribing of his agents, so you you could seat at the front row
*buying of all kinds of paraphernalia

Only fools and gullible, make sense of this your con artists.

OtemAtum:
My eyes are psychologically well trained and since the video is trying to show us a psychological artwork, I could detect its fakeness straightaway. However, the explanation you were making up there still didn't make sense, but only to the gullibles will it make sense.

Psychological "artwork"? Use words you can relate with sir. Since you allege that my explanation makes no sense to you then it means you are medically deficient in knowledge to be able to tell the difference between physical superficial wounds and profound wounds. You would never make a credible trauma analyst especially when you use terms like psychological artwork in exchange for actual injuries.

spacetacular:



Psychological "artwork"? Use words you can relate with sir. Since you allege that my explanation makes no sense to you then it means you are medically deficient in knowledge to be able to tell the difference between physical superficial wounds and profound wounds. You would never make a credible trauma analyst especially when you use terms like psychological artwork in exchange for actual injuries.

What I'm telling you is that those who made the video were artists who are well grounded in psychology, but for those who have inner eyes, they can easily detect the fakeness of the drama put up there.

OtemAtum:
What I'm telling you is that those who made the video were artists who are well grounded in psychology, but for those who have inner eyes, they can easily detect the fakeness of the drama put up there.

You started by telling lies that u watched the video
Now look at where u are now?

Look at the yeye picture u r pasting.
I pity u o.

felixomor:


You started by telling lies that u watched the video
Now look at where u are now?

Look at the yeye picture u r pasting.
I pity u o.

I asked you to compare na. I actually watched the video. The mistake the actors made was that they videoed the man when he was still 'mad' in his house. They even stayed outside the house where all eyes would be watching them. My guy, whenever someone is mad, his family members will do all things possible to keep him indoor, so that the family could save the mad person and the family itself some shame. But in that case, they displayed the mad man publicly and even came with very sharp cameras and video recorder to record all the things he was saying. At a point, they even zoomed the camera to focus on the supposed wounds on his leg, so that gullible people like you would see the wound.

All the scenes preceeding the supposed miracle ended up making us know that it was really acted. They want to make the supposed wound a point of belief for us, but once again, they failed. However, gullible people shall remain gullible, no matter how shallow the scenes seem to be.

OtemAtum:
I asked you to compare na. I actually watched the video. The mistake the actors made was that they videoed the man when he was still 'mad' in his house. They even stayed outside the house where all eyes would be watching them. My guy, whenever someone is mad, his family members will do all things possible to keep him indoor, so that the family could save the mad person and the family itself some shame. But in that case, they displayed the mad man publicly and even came with very sharp cameras and video recorder to record all the things he was saying. At a point, they even zoomed the camera to focus on the supposed wounds on his leg, so that gullible people like you would see the wound.

All the scenes preceeding the supposed miracle ended up making us know that it was really acted. They want to make the supposed wound a point of belief for us, but once again, they failed. However, gullible people shall remain gullible, no matter how shallow the scenes seem to be.

Was that why u first lied that u watched the video?
When u just simply fast forwarded and took screenshots?
Now u r trying to cover your mess desperately?

This is not the first time, you are doing this
You have even accused a baby girl of acting a miracle video on Nairaland before.

All these u are doing is poor damage control.

OtemAtum:
What I'm telling you is that those who made the video were artists who are well grounded in psychology, but for those who have inner eyes, they can easily detect the fakeness of the drama put up there.

first you focused on the injuries and called them fake and i have shown you that they are not and that you are the one trying to be deceitful. Now you are shifting from the injuries you earlier claimed as fake to the video and how it played out? What really is the problem with you sir? Do you have an issue with videos or injuries or you simply have an issue with seeing good stuff happen?

OtemAtum:
I asked you to compare na. I actually watched the video. The mistake the actors made was that they videoed the man when he was still 'mad' in his house. They even stayed outside the house where all eyes would be watching them. My guy, whenever someone is mad, his family members will do all things possible to keep him indoor, so that the family could save the mad person and the family itself some shame. But in that case, they displayed the mad man publicly and even came with very sharp cameras and video recorder to record all the things he was saying. At a point, they even zoomed the camera to focus on the supposed wounds on his leg, so that gullible people like you would see the wound.

All the scenes preceeding the supposed miracle ended up making us know that it was really acted. They want to make the supposed wound a point of belief for us, but once again, they failed. However, gullible people shall remain gullible, no matter how shallow the scenes seem to be.

Indeed you're right, it's staged. But what I tend to disagree with you on is the wounds being fake. I for one can inflict such injury on myself and even more and act mad for 6months straight up for some couple of millions, payable for my service. I can, and so can many people be willing to do more for a lesser cash. You cant begin to imagine what people are willing to do for money.
And yea, the mistake they made was filming him prior to his deliverance. It only proves it's staged

hopefulLandlord:
who "knew" the mad man

CC OtemAtum

You mean OtemAtum is the man healed I did not get you right

GoodMuyis:

You mean OtemAtum is the man healed I did not get you right

my Oga, Na you talk am o

Read through some of the comments in the thread. The mad man was healed of his insanity no doubt about it. Spontaneous resolution of madness is not a new phenomenum whether it came as a result of Orthodox treatment, accident, electric charges, psychotherapy, excorcist workup, herbs and religious beliefs not just peculiar to Christianity.


In our locality, there are homes with herbalist managers that take care of insanity, some persons were actually cured in such homes. The mystery of the methods used by the Herbalist and Sorcerers is difficult to explain to a layman but one thing is certain it fails them most of the time because some Kolo men and women remain in chains for months and years within the vicinity of the Healing center without improvement, some go back basically the same. In most scenario, the cured come down with the same madness or worse forms of it later.
The question should be is there any difference between the Prophet Jerry's healing wands and the traditional wizard operator of a mental home who dances around the subject in a wave of ecstasy and incantations?

The name of Jesus injected along the line looks like an afterthought the same way most of the hybrid prophets will ask one to buy ingredients for prayers (such as eggs, black stone, alligator pepper, candles, oils, handkerchief, beads, perfume, get seed money and prayer points) and still find a way to put the name of Jesus in the whole thing.
I don't believe Prophet Jerry and some others are practicing the Christianity Peter and Paul professed. Theirs is very different and I know what it is, just surprised at the modifications (Credits to Prophet TB Joshua) they have brought to the art, that it is becoming popular with new recruits and many others embracing the Art

All the read on this thread are stupid and rubbish comments from most insincere THEISTS and some ATHEISTS....

Putting aside my atheistic nature, the video is fake to those claiming experienced paramedics, well done ma....

Myself is a testimony of faked miracles.

I would have love to share the secrets behind all these staged miracles and how it's perfectly been done, but won't spoil market for the so called men of god

akintom:

Simple question to all Christians who subscribe to miracle.

*in all your years of attending crusades, have you seen a -

*completely blind man
* amputee
*polio crippled
*complete deaf and dumb

THAT YOU KNOW PERSONALLY, AS A MEMBER OF YOUR COMMUNITY OR CHURCH, BEFORE THE CRUSADE,


THAT GOT HEALED?

thank you!
It's always unknown people

jonbellion:
thank you!
It's always unknown people

Says who ? I've got an uncle who terribly sick , at the point of death . Joined the Lord's Chosen and immediately got his healing . But of course everything is coincidental to you .

These people are now part of the church , active members and other members get to visit them .

Arm chair atheist who sits in the comfort of his home and thinks he knows everything going on in the lives of 2 billion Christians worldwide .

Very narrow-minded you lots are !

I know someone personally with down syndrome. You never see even your family members taking such people for crusades but you want us to believe some guy we've never met before with lack of evidence what so ever was mad all because he has "wounds"
It's the people you know with disabilities don't get healed or aren't taken for crusades but you'll be using other people you don't know to testify
Subconsciously religious people don't even believe all these things are true. The 2014 ebola outbreak was one of the best proofs
Nothing new here time to put it where it belongs

KingEbukaNaija:


Says who ? I've got an uncle who terribly sick , at the point of death . Joined the Lord's Chosen and immediately got his healing . But of course everything is coincidental to you .

These people are now part of the church , active members and other members get to visit them .

Arm chair atheist who sits in the comfort of his home and thinks he knows everything going on in the lives of 2 billion Christians worldwide .

Very narrow-minded you lots are !

hmmmmmmmm
O di kwa egwu!

jonbellion:
hmmmmmmmm
O di kwa egwu!

Is this from someone who just told us about someone else with down syndrome he knows personally ? You atheists accuse Christians of lying , then expect us to believe your foolish stories ?

KingEbukaNaija:


Is this from someone who just told us about someone else with down syndrome he knows personally ? You atheists accuse Christians of lying , then expect us to believe your foolish stories ?

I didn't say it's not true na
And don't forget my claim still stands it's still anecdotal but it is most likely exaggerated by you to indirectly promote your church

jonbellion:
I didn't say it's not true na
And don't forget my claim still stands it's still anecdotal but it is most likely exaggerated by you to indirectly promote your church

Why won't I promote my church ? Don't you promote atheism ?

Am I part of the church leaders ? What is my personal gain for telling people about the truth ? I just needed to rubbish your claims that's why I told the story .

People who receive miracles are sometimes first timers with their own families . They immediately become members of the church , whom you as member can get to visit and relate to .

Sometimes members of the church too can get injured or terribly sick - broken bones , swellings etc - and still get healed right there in the church.

You atheists believe in so much nonsense and say some things that have no basis in reality . Everything is staged to you . That's the problem with skepticism - you only reject things that attack your personal beliefs not always for the rational reasons .