true2god:
[s]Then why did you falsely claimed that Ibn Ishaq said he wrote falsehood about the prophet of Islam in order to sustain himself? You gave me a reference, that is page 321 of Ibn Ishaq sira rasul Allah which turned out to be a lie. Don't you know I have the complete works of Ibn Ishaq on my laptop to confirm any lie you might tell me? Bros respect yourself.

You said Islam is not bases on stories written by human, that is funny. Who wrote the Koran? Angel Gabriel or allahh? Who compiled your so-called hadith? Angel Gabriel or Bukhari? Bros, you know nothing about Islam.

The quran and the hadith, in your house, are written by men, long after the death of your prophet. There was nothing like the Quran when Mohammed was alive. The Qur'an you have at home was compiled by the instruction of uthman, the 3rd khalifa, after he ordered all the surviving sahabas to start penning down what they memorized from the alleged 'revelations' Mohammed received from one entity whom he called allahh. The Quran is the compilation of what the sahabas claimed they hear allahh's messenger got as a revelation and there is many variance of the compilations. Some of the 'revelations' were either forgotten or eaten by goat. See Aisha's testimony below:


Sunan Ibn Majah, Book of Nikah, Hadith # 1934:

Narrated Aisha 'The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept
under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death, a goat entered and ate away the paper."

Sahih Muslim 3422—Amra reported that she heard Aisha discussing fosterage which (makes marriage) unlawful; and she (Aisha) said: There was revealed in the Holy Qur'an ten clear sucklings, and then five clear (sucklings) .

Sahih Muslim 3417—Allah's Apostle said: Being suckled once or twice, or one suckling or two, do not make marriage unlawful.

Sahih Muslim 3421—Aisha reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur’an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated by five sucklings and Allah’s Apostle died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur’an (and recited by the Muslims).

If you look at all the above hadith and sunnah, you will discover that, going by Aisha's own words, the revelation of stoning and suckling was not included in the Koran. It is not my word, it is Aisha's own testimony. Who do I believe, with respect to Islam? Your claim or Aisha's testimony?[/s]

Empiree:
smh.. why did you reject Gospel of Barnabas?

Empiree:
^^

I dont even understand a thing from your post. Sounds like you speak "anogo"

true2god:
We are discussing the biography of Mohammed by Ibn Ishaq. You can open a thread on the gospel of Barnabas and I will join you on the thread. Don't run away from facts when they hurt you, confront the facts.

The gospel of Barnabas was rejected by 100% of Christians that I know but it is promoted by almost every Muslim, despite the fact that more than 99% of Muslims have never even seen the so-called 'gospel of Barnabas' with their own eyes.

Face the topic bro.

plainbibletruth:


The message and the LIFE of a man who claims to be a prophet of God are key to confirming if such a man is truly who he says he is.

Mohamed approved and or committed appalling sins such as:
1. Lying and murdering.

Narrated Jabir Abdullah:

Allah's messenger said "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His apostle?" Thereupon Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's messenger! Would you like that I kill him?" The prophet said, "Yes".

SARIYYAH OF UMAYR IBN ADI'

Then (occurred) the sariyyah of Umayr ibn adi Ibn Kharashah al-Khatmi against Asma Bint Marwan, of Banu Umayyah Ibn Zayd, when five nights had remained from the month of Ramadan, in the beginning of the nineteenth month from the hijrah of the apostle of Allah. Asma was the wife of Yazid Ibn Zayd Ibn Hisn al-Khatmi. She used to revile Islam, offend the prophet and instigate the (people) against him. She composed verses. Umayr Ibn Adi came to her in the night and entered her house. Her children were sleeping around her. . He searched her with his hand because he was blind, and separated the child from her. The apostle of Allah said to him: "Have you slain the daughter of Marwan?" He said: "Yes. Is there something more for me to do?" He [Muhammad] said: "No. Two goats will butt together about her." This was the word that was first heard from the apostle of Allah. The apostle of Allah called him Umayr, "basir" (the seeing). (Ibn Sa’d’s Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir, Volume 2, p. 31; bold)

2. Legal Prostitution called Muta’

3. Armed robbery/ raids on innocent caravans and peoples. And many more ...

These should surely leave a question mark as to his prophethood.

In contrast Jesus Christ is "holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens" Hebrews 7:26

lfleak:
[s][/s]siiratu dohiifu

lfleak:
the bolded, why?

plainbibletruth:

You Mohamedans never fail to live up to expectations, do you?

plainbibletruth:

You Mohamedans never fail to live up to expectations, do you?

true2god:
They are ashamed of the history of their prophet. Instead of facing the truth, they will rather attack the messenger, Ibn Ishaq, who wrote the biography long before bukhari compiled the hadith, and long before the oldest tasfir were written.

Muslims will rather reject their own books instead of accepting the truth therein.

true2god:
Create a thread on that an we will discus it. Why do you reject sira rasul allahh by Ibn Ishaq while the Saudi imams and sheiks are still using it in their mosque and madrassas?

true2god:
They are ashamed of the history of their prophet. Instead of facing the truth, they will rather attack the messenger, Ibn Ishaq, who wrote the biography long before bukhari compiled the hadith, and long before the oldest tasfir were written.

Muslims will rather reject their own books instead of accepting the truth therein.

lfleak:
expectations of kicking your ass? Yea we do and will always do..

Empiree:
Qur'an is Islam not ibn ishaq

plainbibletruth:


When Mohamed compared himself to Jesus Christ in:

“Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: I am most akin to Jesus Christ among the whole of mankind, and all the Prophets are of different mothers but belong to one religion and no Prophet was raised between me and Jesus”. (Sahih Muslim, Vol. 4, p. 1260) Alt. – 5834.

He set himself up to (among other things) the high standard of morality that Jesus exemplified. The reasonable thing (except a person is stripped of reasoning or common sense) is to ask: “Who is this Jesus and in what ways was this Mohamed like Jesus?”

Jesus was CONSISTENT in what he taught and stood for from the beginning of his ministry here on earth till the end. Jesus stood for peace and love for others from start to finish, not hatred or antagonism.

Mohamed, on the other hand, was a patient and tolerant preacher of monotheism and justice in Mecca but, after the Hijrah, became a ruler determined to gain, sustain and expand his power by force of arms and by the subjugation of his enemies and even those were never opposed, hostile or unfriendly to him.

The so-called abrogation verses in the quran lend credence to the fact that things changed with Mohamed. When ‘peace’ could not earn him what he wanted, he resorted to the sword. When this happened all moral standards were thrown overboard. ‘Fresh revelations’ from Allah had to be ‘received’ to JUSTIFY his new positions.

Mohamed was always excited at killing his enemies, Jesus even when he facing death on the cross at the hands of his enemies expressed only love – “Father, forgive them ….” Luke 23:34.

One can go on, and on, and on about the glaring CONTRAST between Jesus whom Mohamed claim to be akin to and Mohamed himself.
The Islam of Mohamed chose to operate under a lower morality than of Jesus Christ. What Mohamed’s Islam wanted of the enemies is "God's curse be on them!" (Surah 9.30). What Jesus expressed to his enemies was: “for the Son of man came not to destroy men's lives but to save them". Luke 9.55

Mohamed’s moral character leaves much to be desired, even when compared with Jesus’ Apostles and perhaps even many Christians who lived in his time, not to mention Jesus Christ himself. Of course, one of the things Islam did was to try to IDENTIFY with prophets of earlier generations in the hope of gaining acceptance of more people. Unfortunately this claim of Mohamed to be akin to Jesus Christ falls on its face flatly. Jesus Christ and Mohamed are INCOMPARABLE!

Jesus Christ is "holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens" Hebrews 7:26

lfleak:
yea.. show me where its written that ibn ishaq is our book from authentic source...

true2god:
If you dnt believe in sira rasul allahh by Ibn Ishaq, where did get the information that an Angel appeared to him, in a cave, from? Where did you get the story of his Inlaw, waraqa, from?

Who told Mohammed he was prophet, angel Gabriel, khadija or waraqa? Where can we get this answer, the Koran or the sira?

true2god:
Muslims and denials are conjoined twins. Show me where it is written that the hadith of Bukhari is from authentic source. All Muslims books are fake my brother, including the Koran. There is nowhere Mohammed asked for the compilations of his revelations as a book. Show me where Mohammed asked the Muslims to compile his revelation as a codified religious document?

true2god:
If you dnt believe in sira rasul allahh by Ibn Ishaq, where did get the information that an Angel appeared to him, in a cave, from? Where did you get the story of his Inlaw, waraqa, from?

Who told Mohammed he was prophet, angel Gabriel, khadija or waraqa? Where can we get this answer, the Koran or the sira?

Empiree:


However, any hadith or stories written by anyone that in not in harmony with revelation(Qur'an) is rejected. Qur'an is criterial with which everything is scaled.

lfleak:
I like it when you Christmas love to quote and add ur logic..
Now the hadith you wrote up there is justifying the link between Muhammad pbuh and Jesus as well as other prophet that they all belong to same religion which is ISLAM... Which I can also go further and proove Jesus was a Muslim using your dear scripture...and u will also bring proof from the same script that jesus practise christianity... shall I?

plainbibletruth:


Jesus NEVER practiced Islam. Jesus and Muhammad are opposites in many ways.

plainbibletruth:


Jesus NEVER practiced Islam. Jesus and Muhammad are opposites in many ways.

1. On their Sin.
According to the Bible Jesus was sinless. On the other hand, Mohamed, as per the quran was sinful. In Mecca Mohamed received a command about his sin:
“Then have patience (O Muhammad). Lo! the promise of Allah is true. And ask forgiveness of thy sin and hymn the praise of thy Lord at fall of night and in the early hours.”(Surah 40:55)
Surah 48 also says this about Mohamed as a sinner:
“That Allah may forgive you your sins of the past and the future and complete His Favour on you, and guide you on the Straight Path…”
Jesus, in the Bible says of himself:
“Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can you prove me guilty of any sin?” (John 8:45-46)
Also, in 1 Peter 2:21-22 we are told: “To this you were called because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps. He committed no sin, and no deceit was found in his mouth.”)
The quran revealed that Mohamed was a sinner. The Bible reveals that Jesus was morally perfect, and without of sin.
2. Their Deaths.
When he was dying, Mohamed asked Allah for forgiveness and mercy: “O Allah! Forgive me, and bestow Your Mercy on me, and let me meet the companions.” (Bukhari 724)
In contrast to Mohamed, Jesus knew exactly where he was going after his death.
Luke 23:43 “I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.”
3. Their Clash with Satan.
Surah 113, Mohamed in Mecca says, “I seek refuge with the Lord of daybreak against the evil in what He has created, the evil in the night when darkness gathers, the evil in witches when they blow on knots, the evil in the envier when he envies.”
On the hand Jesus exercised a great authority over powers of darkness and Satan. In Luke 4:33-35 we read on Jesus’ encounter with a demon:
“In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an evil spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, “Ha! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are—the Holy One of God! “Be quiet!” Jesus said sternly. “Come out of him!” Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him.”
4. On Love
Mohamed said that Allah does not love those who reject Islam (quran 30:45, 3:32, 22:38), whereas Jesus said that God all loving to everyone whether they believed in him or not (John 3:16).
“For God so loved the world that he gave his uniquely born Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
5. On Stealing
Jesus’ position was: “Thou shall not steal” (Matthew 19:18), whereas Mohamed permitted stealing from unbelievers: “The people felt hungry and captured some camels and sheep (as booty)” (Bukhari 44:668).
6. On Lying
Mohamed permitted it (Sahih Muslim 6303, Bukhari 49:857)
Jesus said: “Thou shalt not bear false witness” (Matthew 19:18). And also: Matthew 5: “But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.”
7. On Slaves
Jesus never was a slave owner or slave trader. Mohamed was both: “Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) said: Sell him to me” (Sahih Muslim 3901).
8. On Forgiving others
Jesus preached forgiveness (Matthew 18:21-22, 5:38), Mohamed never did.
9. Mohamed taught revenge: “If then anyone transgresses the prohibition against you, Transgress ye likewise against him” (quran 2:194), whereas Jesus did not: “If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also” (Matthew 5:39).

It should be clear that the differences between Mohamed and Jesus Christ are a wide contrast – indeed as far as the east is from the west. Only those who have allowed themselves to be blinded will claim anything to the contrary.
You cannot honestly claim that these two practiced the same religion, can you?

Empiree:
Kindly tell us religion Of Jesus

plainbibletruth:


This is the religion of Jesus Christ:
"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
John 14: 6

lfleak:
I want to know if Jesus clapped and dance to worship... I want to know jesus selected Sunday as the only day to serve God... I also like to know if Jesus was a catholic or Pentecostal, I wish to learn how Jesus prayed to God compared to yours... I wish to know why Jesus is the only Son of God ..

plainbibletruth:


Why don't you first respond to what I posted.

Are outward observances greater than inner integrity?

See an example of how Jesus prayed:
"Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.” John 11: 41
He LOOKED UP and prayed to God THE FATHER.

But beyond an outward expression his INNER INTEGRITY was impeccable.
Can you show that of Mohamed?

plainbibletruth:


This is the religion of Jesus Christ:
"Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
John 14: 6

lfleak:
and that is Christianity??

Empiree:
So someone asks you whats Jesus's religion and you say "Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

Interesting!

And you want to teach me islam?. You are a joke. You make NO SENSE

lfleak:
where you guys called 3 in 1 get ur logic,am skeptic about..

Those siira you are plucking at all have same stand as the bible, because they are not reliable... Have you tried reading the biography of MJ or nelson Mandela? Am 100% sure both of them will refute some claim in it if they come back alive...

plainbibletruth:


Moslem minds have been conditioned to equate religiousness with outward appearances and observances more than with a person's inner condition of the heart. There is therefore the tendency to forget or ignore other critical issues of integrity and character.

For example, a moslem may let his beard grow and wear a short robe and "feel" that by so doing he is religious. Yet, his heart may be as wicked as that of Satan himself.

In islam outward customs have come to carry more weight than matters of the heart. That is why, for example, your focus here is going to "how did Jesus pray?", "I want to know if Jesus danced and clapped his hands", etc.

True religiousness begins on the inside of the individual. If the inside is rotten then every external expression becomes meaningless.

The only person who can bring about that true inner transformation is Jesus Christ who said: “Everyone who drinks this water will be thirsty again, but whoever drinks the water I give them will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give them will become in them a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” John 4: 13