toniatt:
Bros abeg which bible chapter he dey say Jesus was send only to the Jews alone. Abelian

toniatt:
Bros abeg which bible chapter he dey say Jesus was send only to the Jews alone. Abelian

OrdercityWeb:

Do you know what you're saying at all. Cultural values changes? That's the biggest joke I've heard this year.
Farming methods and cultural values don't correlate.
Values are found in respect, traditions, language, uniqueness of the culture from others. What you stand for, what you're known for THOSE ARE YOUR VALUES. So as a Yoruba boy we postrate to greet elders that's one of our VALUES. How can you say that should change? You're still confirming my point that cultural values are lost EASILY with this intertribal thing
Besides what do you mean "how far i can trace that identity ?
The fact that you even mentioned "YORUBA" you've contracdicted yourself. That's where the identity belongs. That's what makes me unique, that's why I'm not IGBO.
So which identity do you claim in intertribal marriages?

Your repeated assertion that cultural values do not change shows- may I with respect say-ignorance of man's various cultural evolution. Culture is dynamic - even basic social studies taught us that. As for identity - let me use an extreme example - the LGBTQ people and their sex change operations a la Caitlyn Jenner shows you that even identity itself is subject to change. Human history and experience proves these points all too eloquently. And the reason is simple: man is a being that has the power to be. Without this basic trait nothing regarding progress and change in society, in our personal lives will be possible.

The fact that you are a christian negates your argument on cultural preservation, what happened to your own religion?
Most people marry from their tribes coz they understand each other's language / perception of life, I think your problem as with most people is they confuse 'culture' with a well brought up individual, that is why any responsible parent would tell you to marry from a good home.
Majority of Nigerians now marry according to their religious beliefs ie a christian wants a christian, muslim wants a muslim etc
If you want to avoid inter-tribal unions how far are you ready to draw the line? how do you avoid pre colonial wars and post colonial demarcations? do you marry from the same state or the group of states that make your tribe? or same local government or same street lol.
If your cultural values can't survive because you married from another tribe then you should drop that culture anyway (Just like you dropped your forefathers religion) you can't cherry pick It takes more than wearing native attires to claim a culture, do you spill drinks for the ancestors ??
Talking about Israelite and Hittites, when you should be quoting great men from your region...... gerrrrrrrrrra here

I love it with passion

Inter tribal marriage is giving birth to a lost generation.

abelprice:
There is beauty in diversity.. that's like caging yr self all in the of maintaining cultural heritage.. .

There will b no drama in your family

Op ask short question o.. d pple below me write story book.. making me feel bad.. hope my answer make sense.. cos pple below jst dey intimidate me.. ..

Lol. Who's giving an award? Don't feel intimidated.

With more inter-tribal marriage Nigerian will learn to tolerate one another more.

I cant imagine someone like YEMI ALADE denigrating somebody of both Igbo or Yoruba tribe because she is related to both tribes

I have noticed that people who usually engage in tribal wars are those who have never stepped a feet outside their village and mingle with people of another tribe

tintingz:
The world is evolving and some ignorant, archaic people are still wallowing whether inter-tribal marriage should be encourage. SMH

How does marrying from your tribe, race add to economy or our daily life or make things better? and to think your culture will fade off, this is fallacy, your culture will only fade off if you don't teach your children your culture.

I will encourage inter-tribal marraige anytime, anywhere, it creates harmony between tribes, race than hatred, it promote culture. I won't promote tribalism supremacy like our ignorant archaic fathers did, the world has evolve from that mentality and people should evolve from this backward mentality.

Bullshiit! How does marrying someone from another tribe contribute to your life? What you wrote is bullshiit

OrdercityWeb:
I was having a discussion with a few friends yesterday. I told them emotions aside, intertribal marriages shouldn't be ENCOURAGED.
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Why? To preserve our culture, our identity is in our culture. I know alot of products of intertribal marriages that are torn between the question of identity.
I once read where a lady from an intertribal marriage said her mom insisted she married her own tribe as against her dad's.
In many intertribal homes there is this cultural neutrality, and many times there's a power play on the kids among the two in-laws.
Even the bible doesn't encourage intertribal marriage, remeber the instructions Abraham gave to his servant and the fact that Jesus was sent to the jews ONLY initially.
Have you wondered why the Chinese and Koreans do not marry outside their race, why do you think there is that cultural cohesion and reverence with them anywhere they go.
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My take is INTERTRIBAL MARRIAGES SHOULDN'T BE ENCOURAGED.
What's your take? Please be factual and intelligent DO NOT APPEAL TO EMOTIONS.

**modified**
Alot of people are saying "culture evolves". Yes cultures evolve. But fundamentals like identity remains same.
Culture evolves. Identity doesn't. The fact that the Yorubas believe they descended from Oduduwa is UNIQUE TO THEM ALONE AND CAN NEVER EVER EVOLVE.
THE MOMENT IT DOES WE HAVE LOST WHO WE ARE

Who says Bible does not encourage inter-tribal marriage, what of Moses who married Ethiopia?

Read your Bible again... There was a reason God gave that instruction for that particular point in time.

Those people were sinful and abominable at that time, but later repented.

Once you repented God is ever willing to forgive, the reason someone like REHAB was included in the Genealogy of Israel

babyfaceafrica:
na only you waka come..no support

As in eh see how they want chop off my head.

Op you are right. I do not support inter-tribal marraige. People who do this do not respect their culture. Marry your tribe to preserve your culture, history, and tradition. Children born from inter-tribal marriages always get confused when they grow up.
Only fools marry people outside their tribe.

OrdercityWeb:

You are digressing. That's not my point.
What i mean by cultural preservation is THE VALUES OF A PEOPLE NOT THEIR TECHNOLOGY. Technology evolves.
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BUT OUR VALUES NEVER CHANGES and if they are not passed down to the next generation they will become extinct.
Now you've not still answered the question of IDENTITY?
**modified**
I still don't see how technological advancement and change is caused by Intertribal marriages

identity is one thing that remains constant. It stands the test of time but culture is dynamic. Inter tribal marriage to my little understanding promotes cultural interference. Therefore it should be encouraged.

Marry Afonja women om your own risk. You will rat oil soup throughout your llife time. Their men are welcome to marry in igboland.

Lmao. Don't mind the op.

zubydave:
The Op is a dangerous man. One more thing Op, what's your view on racism?

OrdercityWeb:
I was having a discussion with a few friends yesterday. I told them emotions aside, intertribal marriages shouldn't be ENCOURAGED.
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Why? To preserve our culture, our identity is in our culture. I know alot of products of intertribal marriages that are torn between the question of identity.
I once read where a lady from an intertribal marriage said her mom insisted she married her own tribe as against her dad's.
In many intertribal homes there is this cultural neutrality, and many times there's a power play on the kids among the two in-laws.
Even the bible doesn't encourage intertribal marriage, remeber the instructions Abraham gave to his servant and the fact that Jesus was sent to the jews ONLY initially.
Have you wondered why the Chinese and Koreans do not marry outside their race, why do you think there is that cultural cohesion and reverence with them anywhere they go.
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My take is INTERTRIBAL MARRIAGES SHOULDN'T BE ENCOURAGED.
What's your take? Please be factual and intelligent DO NOT APPEAL TO EMOTIONS.

**modified**
Alot of people are saying "culture evolves". Yes cultures evolve. But fundamentals like identity remains same.
Culture evolves. Identity doesn't. The fact that the Yorubas believe they descended from Oduduwa is UNIQUE TO THEM ALONE AND CAN NEVER EVER EVOLVE.
THE MOMENT IT DOES WE HAVE LOST WHO WE ARE

Are you a Targaryen?

[[s]quote author=menxer post=59649066]
I disagree, our cultural values changes as we do.
Take any cultural value and see how far back you can trace it without it changing.

For instance, There was a time our cultural value of wealth was built on the idea that you must be a farmer with great physical strength and ability to do farm work.
Has the cultural value of creating wealth by farming diminished in any way?
No.
Has method of farming remained the same?

Identity.
If you say you are Yoruba, for instance, how far back can you trace that identity? [/quote][/s]

On the contrary, only fools think inter-tribal marriage is wrong.

deedeedee1:
Op you are right. I do not support inter-tribal marraige. People who do this do not respect their culture. Marry your tribe to preserve your culture, history, and tradition. Children born from inter-tribal marriages always get confused when they grow up.
Only fools marry people outside their tribe.

YES, inter-tribal marriage should be encouraged

......... Am already in it......am from Akwa ---bom state, "Annang" & she is from Benue state, "Igede". So loving her, peace of mind etc

OrdercityWeb:

Please spare me! So you can't see those examples are exceptions. Don't you know there would always be exceptions.
Besides do you know how long they've stayed in America. They are virtually Americans now.
And it has nothing to do with being immigrants, Chinese and asian immigrants whenever they go are known to always keep their culture. That is why you have chinese villages, resturants and many more.
How many 'original' Chinese can you say the same of? Or Korean? It's rare. The examples you would find are those whose ancestors were immigrants and their offspring have integrated with the existing culture which is rare anyway.


You're not being factual and realistic, you're talking about identity? What identity do offspring of intermarriages claim?
You and I know from the many of such marriages that we know are mostly culturally neutral. The kids are neither here nor there. Infact in most of these homes they only speak English.


It is hard? What are you saying? The example i gave in the OP didn't you see that?
How does conquering tribalism have to do with intermarrying. You don't have to intermarry to be untribalistic. Many of these people you're talking about hold inner biases and prejudices against their tribes and sometimes pass it to their kids. So your point here is subjective.


That's not entirely true. I have said it before "Discouraging intertribal marriage has nothing to do with being tribalistic. Tribalism is a mindset and you don't have to intermarry to be unbiased. You just have to reason.


Please don't even go this direction. You're off the mark and have completely digressed. If you can't differentiate between Values and Technology then?


Culture evolves but value does not. Identity does not.
It's just like saying we all going to die but engaging in life threatening situations will hasten ones death. That's what intertribal marriage does.
All the problems you mentioned there is a problem of Western civilization.

@bolded
You are very right

YelloweWest:
Honestly no. The complications are just too much.

Thank you ooo.

The truth is all these people know but they're just avoiding REALITY. I didn't even say it shouldn't be allowed i said it shouldn't be "encouraged "
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Let them keep living in an idealistic, politically correct imagination. As if all cultures share the same values, as if all cultures can mix.

MrBrownJay1:


you are misinformed brotha... your own identity is ALREADY a product of inter-tribal mix, thus believing that what you are today is the main root of your tribe, is a JOKE.



this is just hypocrisy at its highest....



and there is also a vast cultural intake from both side, which would make a person more enlighten and open minded in this world... instead of narrow minded.



any person who want to direct their lives by what is written in the bible is a damn fool, and a bloody hypocrite....as i am 110% sure that this person does NOT follow ALL what is written in their holy book. enough with the hypocrisy to quote the bible only when it fits your selfish agenda.



who cares what ignorant people/cultures do? until not long ago, we foreigners (whether black or white) were viewed as "demons of the west" by the Chinese government, so i certainly understand why many were against such marriage, but if you travel a bit more in your life, you will realize that MANY Chinese or Koreans marry foreigners (even though many look down on such act)
sadly, with your state of mind, no wonder so many ignorant people continue having such narrow minded state of mind. OPEN YOUR MIND AND LIVE YOUR LIFE without any fear whatsoever.



what shouldnt be encouraged is the idea that a person's tribe could be an obstacle into marrying someone.... this is ABSURD! what's next?! we shouldnt talk to one another? we shouldnt have friends from other tribes etc?!



nothing YOU wrote is either factual or intelligent....it is all simply a baseless emotional statement, thats has NO merit whatsoever.

here is a clue: if you fall in love with someone, then marry them (so long as their tribes practices are NOT against yours)

NICE ONE THERE

PataAlhaja:
I think the OP has a point.

As a proud Yoruba nigger, if at all, I consider marriage sometimes in the future, she just has to be Yoruba. Kids are closer to their Moms and I would love to raise 100% Yoruba kids, with 100% Yoruba names and inclinations ... kids who would learn the Yoruba language, culture and ways from their Mom and I ...

Besides, I love speaking the Yoruba language so much. So getting married to a "Non-Yoruba" is definitely not an option.

No apologies ... My life, my choice.

Life's too short, you know. Igba o lo bi orere, Aiye o tan lo bi opa ibon!

Never say never... The day you meet the one you love, her tribe would be the last thing on your mind, talking from experience

It's the mindset that your tribe is superior to another, is what makes you want to cling to your tribe.

God did not create any tribe, God created humans in his image, but we what want to recreate God In the image of our Tribes

PataAlhaja:
I think the OP has a point.

As a proud Yoruba nigger, if at all, I consider marriage sometimes in the future, she just has to be Yoruba. Kids are closer to their Moms and I would love to raise 100% Yoruba kids, with 100% Yoruba names and inclinations ... kids who would learn the Yoruba language, culture and ways from their Mom and I ...

Besides, I love speaking the Yoruba language so much. So getting married to a "Non-Yoruba" is definitely not an option.

No apologies ... My life, my choice.

Life's too short, you know. Igba o lo bi orere, Aiye o tan lo bi opa ibon!

Bless you my brother. You see it.

They are all avoiding reality. Not all cultures are compatible. We all don't share common values.
They are not been realistic, they are just trying to sound politically correct and like the West.

OrdercityWeb:
I was having a discussion with a few friends yesterday. I told them emotions aside, intertribal marriages shouldn't be ENCOURAGED.
..
Why? To preserve our culture, our identity is in our culture. I know alot of products of intertribal marriages that are torn between the question of identity.
I once read where a lady from an intertribal marriage said her mom insisted she married her own tribe as against her dad's.
In many intertribal homes there is this cultural neutrality, and many times there's a power play on the kids among the two in-laws.
Even the bible doesn't encourage intertribal marriage, remeber the instructions Abraham gave to his servant and the fact that Jesus was sent to the jews ONLY initially.
Have you wondered why the Chinese and Koreans do not marry outside their race, why do you think there is that cultural cohesion and reverence with them anywhere they go.
...
My take is INTERTRIBAL MARRIAGES SHOULDN'T BE ENCOURAGED.
What's your take? Please be factual and intelligent DO NOT APPEAL TO EMOTIONS.

**modified**
Alot of people are saying "culture evolves". Yes cultures evolve. But fundamentals like identity remains same.
Culture evolves. Identity doesn't. The fact that the Yorubas believe they descended from Oduduwa is UNIQUE TO THEM ALONE AND CAN NEVER EVER EVOLVE.
THE MOMENT IT DOES WE HAVE LOST WHO WE ARE

You quoted Abraham instruction in the old testament to justify your argument. Have you read Paul's exhortation in the new testament?: "In the same way, all of us, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether slaves or free, have been baptized into the one body by the same Spirit, and we have all been given the one Spirit to drink.
1 Corinthians 12:13". In the house of God, there should be no discrimination. The evil of separation wrought at Babel has been erased at Pentecost when at the downpour of holy Spirit all speak the same language, the language of love. For God is love and all who dwell in God dwell in love. Abraham gave the instruction so that his son won't mix with pagan nations. All believers in Christ are one body, one Spirit in Christ. Which culture do you want to preserve? The pagan culture? You prefer that over the Christian culture? You need a rethink. Christians can marry from any tribe so far the person serve God in truth and Spirit. I will as a Yoruba marry a Christian Ibo than marry a pagan Yoruba.

deedeedee1:

Bullshiit! How does marrying someone from another tribe contribute to your life? What you wrote is bullshiit

If you read my posts you will see where i said anybody is free to intermarry or not, anybody is free to practice any culture, religion, it is non of anybody business.

Where are in 21 century, we have evolve from many things but it is sad some people mentality still stuck to the ancient universe.

Amberon11:
On the contrary, only fools think inter-tribal marriage is wrong.

Marry from your tribe so your children will appreciate their culture. I have seen many children born from intertribal marriages that are either here or their. Most even tend to love their mother's side more.
If you are a man, my advise is for you to marry someone from your tribe.
Only fools marry people outside their tribe

deedeedee1:

Marry from your tribe so your children will appreciate their culture. I have seen many children born from intertribal marriages that are either here or their. Most even tend to love their mother's side more.
If you are a man, my advise is for you to marry someone from your tribe.
Only fools marry people outside their tribe

So if your child marries from another tribe, will you kill him/her?

The way some people reason ehn.

[s]

tintingz:
If you read my posts you will see where i said anybody is free to intermarry or not, anybody is free to practice any culture, religion, it is non of anybody business.

Where are in 21 century, we have evolve from many things but it is sad some people mentality still stuck to the ancient universe.

[/s]
Marry from your tribe to preserve your culture and identity. The world will only respect if you do.
What you wrote is bullshiit

hammerT:
No it should not be encouraged.

Yoruabs should go and marry their inbreed children and stop trying to pass it off to others.


HausaFulani marry amongst themselves no complain, Igbo do same, y is it always Yoruba carrying intermarriage on their head?

Thank you!
You see the point. Then it will get to a stage the offspring of this marriages will not even care about their roots. They'll become lost.

OrdercityWeb

Thus is a very nice topic to discuss but I think you are mixing up intertribal and interracial marriage.
But all the same. Marying from the same culture is closer to inbreeding than marrying from a different culture. Because there is a lower option for selection in the gene pool. The only exception to not marrying from another tribe is if you have conflicting views on something major. But this is very rare

Most of everything you said rested on the point that 'cultural identity has to be preseved'. But whether there is intertribal marriage or not. This cultural identity would s vanish. How many yoruba people still believe in oduduwa, how many yoruba people prostrate or kneek down to greet their parents today. I dont know the origin of jollof rice. But its enjoyed all around the country same for suya/kilishi/boli. You said south east asians dont marry out of their culture this is very false. Many of them that migrate to other countries like usa have interracial kids

You also tried to support your claim with the bible. The reason God prevented marriage with another tribe is because they were viewed as heathens. That was a generalisation that wont work today via the merging of tribes. The only main issue I can see is with the kids having identity issues. But this isnt that big of a deal

You cant prevent inter-tribal marriage. The whole africaryan (black nd white mix from us) has been around for a while. And as more tribes mix. There wouldnt be any pure-blood. Everybody would be mixed. Culture isnt something parents teach. Its something you get from your environment. A yoruba couple living in igbo land will have to have igbo influences in their yoruba culture......

I can see people rent being mature with their discussions. They go to insults as a form of defense. I wont do that

@ op

That's your view though.