Bolaji21:

I see you're angry with your God.

First of all you cannot be angry at something that doesn't exist.

Secondly, I cannot be angrier than something that proposes to burn billions of people in hell while it chills in paradise

Well, he's still your creator and you're his creature. You can't change that.

Really? Tell me something

If you feel the inventors of gun powder are to blame for world War 1&2, it's your choice.

No. YOur god is to blame because it sat back and watched millions of people die despite it's foreknowledge and did nothing to save them. What a Arrow!

And if you feel the German chemist who discovered uranium is to blame for the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings too, it's your choice. Man has always been known to instinctively shift blame to others.

And your god has always been known to do nothing about it

hopefulLandlord:


don't get emotional bro, I'm only scrutinising your claim of knowing exactly what those viewing are "thinking"

but if you don't want me to mention you again, just reiterate it and it would be done, no biggie

You're the one that's been emotional by gloating and mocking something you claim doesn't exist. It's just like me saying Ogres don't exist and still spending my whole life online on ogre websites, mocking.

As I said earlier, if your intention is mere sarcasm, there's no need of mentioning me. Just get at it.

hahn:


First of all you cannot be angry at something that doesn't exist.

I'll leave that to the readers to decide.

hahn:

Secondly, I cannot be angrier than something that proposes to burn billions of people in hell while it chills in paradise

You seem confused. You just claimed it's impossible to get angry at something non-existent. Now you're saying you're not as angry as the non-existent God.

hahn:

Really? Tell me something



No. YOur god is to blame because it sat back and watched millions of people die despite it's foreknowledge and did nothing to save them. What a Arrow!

And your god has always been known to do nothing about it

A non-existent God should have helped the world War. You need to take a stand. Are you confused about the non-existent God or confused as to why the existent God didn't intervene in world War 1&2. Cos I'm not sure how to answer you, since your original claim is that He doesn't exist.

Bolaji21:

You're the one that's been emotional by gloating and mocking something you claim doesn't exist. It's just like me saying Ogres don't exist and still spending my whole life online on ogre websites, mocking.

I mock the "idea", you're free to judge my emotions anyhow you like

As I said earlier, if your intention is mere sarcasm, there's no need of mentioning me. Just get at it.

YOU claimed to know what the viewers are thinking and I'm challenging you on how you "know", refer to the post and see

and No! my intention is never mere sarcasm but if you can't stand a mix of sarcasm and serious points in posts then I'll stop quoting you, honestly I can't stand discussing with you if you can't so the feeling is mutual

butterflylion:



Na wa o! Why are you so blind to the obvious.

I said price per value is not general but relative but you said price per value is general.

Price does not determine value! This is what your stance implied : it implies that once a high price is placed on an item anywhere in the world then that item must be valuable to everyone in the world. THIS IS WRONG.

I had to take time to give you a lengthy breakdown so you would see the glaring difference but as expected you still did not see it.

It's alright anyway, not everyone is meant to quickly grasp simple issues

Anything else?

Stop putting words in my mouth.
No where did I say or imply that "anywhere in the world" nonsense that you have come up with.
It is your usual manner of inventing an argument so you can defeat it.
Value is subjective. So is price.
Neymar is worth 225 million to PSG. We know he's worth far less to Arsenal.
The buyer will only pay for a product what he thinks it is worth (value affecting price).

You have realized your folly so the next thing is to start saying things I have not said.
Well done.

Bolaji21:

I'll leave that to the readers to decide.



You seem confused. You just claimed it's impossible to get angry at something non-existent. Now you're saying you're not as angry as the non-existent God.

It is real to you, is it not? This situation is similar to when you are chatting with a kid about the toothfairy. You know it is not real but still tell the kid that it will come and put money under his/her pillow even when you know you are the one who will do it.

A non-existent God should have helped the world War. You need to take a stand. Are you confused about the non-existent God or confused as to why the existent God didn't intervene in world War 1&2. Cos I'm not sure how to answer you, since your original claim is that He doesn't exist.

Look. Read carefully

I KNOW your god does not exist but since we are discussing and you actually believe that it does I have to discuss like it exists. Understand?

So, now is your god responsible for the evil that happens on earth or not?

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

hopefulLandlord:


I mock the "idea", you're free to judge my emotions anyhow you like

Good, now you admit that your emotions are involved. That's settled.

hopefulLandlord:

YOU claimed to know what the viewers are thinking and I'm challenging you on how you "know", refer to the post and see

I don't know how to help you figure that out. But it's not hard for an average thinker that has gone through your previous posts.

hopefulLandlord:

and No! my intention is never mere sarcasm but if you can't stand a mix of sarcasm and serious points in posts then I'll stop quoting you

Well, you've not raised any valid point since. You're just merigorounding.

Bolaji21:

Good, now you admit that your emotions are involved. That's settled.

Hahahahahahahahaha, this is funny

I don't know how to help you figure that out. But it's not hard for an average thinker to has gone through your previous posts.

to do what? I say your god idea doesn't make sense! and you interpreted it as me wishing it away lol "average thinker" Indeed

Well, you've not raised any valid point since. You're just merigorounding.

my point is that people who criticise your god idea don't necessarily hate it!, you've not challenged this and you're only committing the fallacy of "proof by assertion" and equivocating

Ranchhoddas:
Stop putting words in my mouth.
No where did I say or imply that "anywhere in the world" nonsense that you have come up with.
It is your usual manner of inventing an argument so you can defeat it.
Value is subjective. So is price.
Neymar is worth 225 million to PSG. We know he's worth far less to Arsenal.
The buyer will only pay for a product what he thinks it is worth (value affecting price).

You have realized your folly so the next thing is to start saying things I have not said.
Well done.

Hahahahahahahaha you are now jumping to my camp in confusion.

These are your comments earlier

VALUE AND PRICE ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

This is circular reasoning in line with the theory of subjective value. I already explained that.

You also said :

Neymar is very valuable, so he commands a very high price[/b

].

That is a general statement and implies the value of Neymar is same worldwide but now you switch to my camp after I showed you your error by saying the below

Neymar is worth 225 million [b]to PSG. We know he's worth far less to Arsenal.

Now you agree that value is relative and value sometimes does not need to be paid for. VALUE CAN BE GOTTEN FOR FREE!

you did not even know when you changed your song and joined me in my chorus

See guy I have educated you enough and I believe you have also unconsciously taken to this education based on your shift all of a sudden.

VALUE IS NOT LINKED TO PRICE AND VALUE CAN BE GOTTEN FOR FREE!

VALUE DOES NOT ALWAYS NEED TO BE PAID FOR!

PRICE IS SELF SATISFACTORY AND NOT GENERAL.

VALUE MAY HAVE A PRICE TAG, MAY BE UNABLE TO BE QUANTIFIED AND MAY ALSO BE GOTTEN FOR FREE. all this is relative to who it is valuable to.

Bye for now!

hahn:


It is real to you, is it not? This situation is similar to when you are chatting with a kid about the toothfairy. You know it is not real but still tell the kid that it will come and put money under his/her pillow even when you know you are the one who will do it.

I don't know how to help you bro. Who's the kid in the above? You?

hahn:

Look. Read carefully

I KNOW your god does not exist but since we are discussing and you actually believe that it does I have to discuss like it exists. Understand?

Okay

hahn:

So, now is your god responsible for the evil that happens on earth or not?

He's not responsible for all.

hahn:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

This proves he's God. Let me give you that verse in a simpler English.

(EasyEnglish) I made the light and I *created the dark. I cause people to do well and I *create trouble. I am the *LORD. I do all those things.’
Does that mean He's behind every trouble? No. There's a difference between "I create trouble" and "I'm behind every trouble".

butterflylion:


Hahahahahahahaha you are now jumping to my camp in confusion.

These are your comments earlier

This is circular reasoning in line with the theory of subjective value. I already explained that.

You also said :
].

That is a general statement and implies the value of Neymar is same worldwide but now you switch to my camp after I showed you your error by saying the below



Now you agree that value is relative and value sometimes does not need to be paid for. VALUE CAN BE GOTTEN FOR FREE!

you did not even know when you changes your song and joined me in my chorus

See guy I have educated you enough and I believe you have also unconsciously taken to this education based on your shift all of a sudden.

VALUE IS NOT LINKED TO PRICE AND VALUE CAN BE GOTTEN FOR FREE!

VALUE DOES NOT ALWAYS NEED TO BE PAID FOR!

PRICE IS SELF SATISFACTORY AND NOT GENERAL.

VALUE MAY HAVE A PRICE TAG, MAY BE UNABLE TO BE QUANTIFIED AND MAY ALSO BE GOTTEN FOR FREE. all this is relative to who it is valuable to.

Bye for now!

In the context of this discussion, "free" is also a price tag.
Transactions of value can take place without money exchanging hands.
An example is free transfers in football.
Guy give it up.

hahn:


Share it first. Then it will be subject to scrutiny

Your mind isn't open yet.When you are ready I will give you details

hopefulLandlord:

Hahahahahahahahaha, this is funny

I'm glad to have made you laugh.

hopefulLandlord:

to do what? I say your god idea doesn't make sense! and you interpreted it as me wishing it away lol "average thinker" Indeed

There's freedom to laugh if that's the best way to dodge.

hopefulLandlord:

my point is that people who criticise your god idea don't necessarily hate it!, you've not challenged this and you're only committing the fallacy of "proof by assertion" and equivocating

My point is that why do people spend the whole of their time online trying to prove the non-existent of a God that doesn't exist?

Your philosophical classification of this doesn't fit and you're the one that hasn't been consistent in your argument.
Mind you, check our previous posts here and bring out where I asserted HATE. Also, this is the first time you're stating your point clearly.

asuustrike2009:

Your mind isn't open yet.When you are ready I will give you details

Lol

Ranchhoddas:
In the context of this discussion, "free" is also a price tag.
Transactions of value can take place without money exchanging hands.
An example is free transfers in football.
Guy give it up.

Sorry bro but free is NEVER a price tag. Price is linked to A SALE. free is not a sale but a give away!

If transactions of value can take place that means something was given in exchange for another and in the case of free transfers it only occurs when a player's contract is over and the club does not wish to renew. In other words the club saw no further VALUE in the player so chose to GIVE HIM AWAY due to the fact they no longer have a contract with him.

The New team who SEES VALUE in the released player now sign a new contract with him so to the player and receiving club it isn't free Afterall but to the releasing club it is free.

You are the one to give it up because I have shown you analytically how erroneous you have been throughout this argument and also shown you when and how you suddenly began singing my own song.

Bolaji21:

I'm glad to have made you laugh.


There's freedom to laugh if that's the best way to dodge.

hmmm

My point is that why do people spend the whole of their time online trying to prove the non-existent of a God that doesn't exist?

Your philosophical classification of this doesn't fit and you're the one that hasn't been consistent in your argument.
Mind you, check our previous posts here and bring out where I asserted HATE. Also, this is the first time you're stating your point clearly.

my bad, I confused anger with hate, "Angry with it" would've been a better phrase

anyways, I have been through this a lot before and if you went through my previous posts like you said you would've seen me post it many times, perhaps you missed them here

https://www.nairaland.com/3397707/best-atheist-quotes-nairaland#50058064

https://www.nairaland.com/3584339/see-how-atheists-minds-imprisoned#52990273

https://www.nairaland.com/3535066/take-gospel-story-quiz-prove/8#52421512

Bolaji21:

I don't know how to help you bro. Who's the kid in the above? You?



Okay


He's not responsible for all.


This proves he's God. Let me give you that verse in a simpler English.

(EasyEnglish) I made the light and I *created the dark. I cause people to do well and I *create trouble. I am the *LORD. I do all those things.’
Does that mean He's behind every trouble? No. There's a difference between "I create trouble" and "I'm behind every trouble".

Lol. This your interpretation no be here. NO wonder there are over 30,000 denominations of your religion. Y'all are confused

hahn:


Lol. This your interpretation no be here. NO wonder there are over 30,000 denominations of your religion. Y'all are confused

It's not interpretation like you mean it, the English is glaring. If you're interested, you can check all the available translations online and even the Greek version. This doesn't require any exegesis for you figure out if you want to. You brought the scripture yourself. I make toothbrush is different from I am responsible for all toothbrushes in your home. Is it that hard to figure out?


@bolded, is that your new location to dodge?

butterflylion:


Sorry bro but free is NEVER a price tag. Price is linked to A SALE. free is not a sale but a give away!

If transactions of value can take place that means something was given in exchange for another and in the case of free transfers it only occurs when a player's contract is over and the club does not wish to renew. In other words the club saw no further VALUE in the player so chose to GIVE HIM AWAY due to the fact they no longer have a contract with him.

The New team who SEES VALUE in the released player now sign a new contract with him so to the player and receiving club it isn't free Afterall but to the releasing club it is free.

You are the one to give it up because I have shown you analytically how erroneous you have been throughout this argument and also shown you when and how you suddenly began singing my own song.

Context
Context
Context
Anyway, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Signing out.

Ranchhoddas:
Context
Context
Context
Anyway, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Signing out.

Not context but reality. Go and read up on free transfers in football and you would see how ignorant you were to even use it as an example.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN PLEASE GIVE THAT FELLA A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. HE CAME HE LEARNED AND HE WENT AWAY!

butterflylion:



Not context but reality. Go and read up on free transfers in football and you would see how ignorant you were to even use it as an example.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN PLEASE GIVE THAT FELLA A ROUND OF APPLAUSE. HE CAME HE LEARNED AND HE WENT AWAY!


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I'm leaving because I've seen you are like the doctor.
Una no dey tire.
You can have the last word now.

Ranchhoddas:

I'm leaving because I've seen you are like the doctor.
Una no dey tire.
You can have the last word now.

Which doctor? You are leaving because you know you came unprepared and ignorant of a lot of things you brought to the table. So much so that you had no choice but to join my chorus unknowingly

Anyway the applause has been given for your ability to at least subconsciously learn. Astalavista men!

Bolaji21:

It's not interpretation like you mean it, the English is glaring. If you're interested, you can check all the available translations online and even the Greek version. This doesn't require any exegesis for you figure out if you want to. You brought the scripture yourself. I make toothbrush is different from I am responsible for all toothbrushes in your home. Is it that hard to figure out?


@bolded, is that your new location to dodge?

But when I say I make toothbrushes, I know what a toothbrush will do tomorrow before it even does it then I should be held responsible when someone gets a teeth infection from using my toothbrush, right?

hahn:


But when I say I make toothbrushes, I know what a toothbrush will do tomorrow before it even does it then I should be held responsible when someone gets a teeth infection from using my toothbrush, right?

Yes, if it was my toothbrush that was used. In this case, it's highly uncertain cos I'm not the only maker of toothbrush.

Bolaji21:

Yes, if it was my toothbrush that was used. In this case, it's highly uncertain cos I'm not the only maker of toothbrush.

Just as it is highly certain your god is not the only one who created humans?

hahn:


Just as it is highly certain your god is not the only one who created humans?

You see, you've missed the point. We're on the creation/making of trouble/disaster from the Bible verse you quoted.
Let me refresh your memory.

You brought this verse of the Bible.

hahn:

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

Then I helped you understand it

bolaji21:
I make toothbrush is different from I am responsible for all toothbrushes in your home

You then asked

hahn:
But when I say I make toothbrushes, I know what a toothbrush will do tomorrow before it even does it then I should be held responsible when someone gets a teeth infection from using my toothbrush, right?

To which I replied

bolaji21:
Yes, if it was my toothbrush that was used. In this case, it's highly uncertain cos I'm not the only maker of toothbrush.

Now, at what point did the creation of humans enter this?

Bolaji21:

You see, you've missed the point. We're on the creation/making of trouble/disaster from the Bible verse you quoted.
Let me refresh your memory.

You brought this verse of the Bible.

Then I helped you understand it


You then asked



To which I replied


Now, at what point did the creation of humans enter this?

The same point you decided to bring a toothbrush maker into the discussion

hahn:


The same point you decided to bring a toothbrush maker into the discussion

Sorry, I can't help you follow a conversation.

Heaven is really going to be boring. I mean after singing for a year I will get tired of it. Lots of ugly ladies will be there surely since the pretty ones might end up in hell as claimed by christians.
No tv, no internet, no SEX, no beach parties, no meat, chicken, fish, no falling in love etc. The only person to fall in love with is Jesus. No fvcking way!

Bolaji21:

Sorry, I can't help you follow a conversation.

Yawns

hahn:


Yawns

Well, that's an easy escape. Have a lovely night.

Bolaji21:

Well, that's an easy escape. Have a lovely night.

Your chats are boring bro

And it is ironic how you keep placing your confusion on me

Bye