DarkRebel69:


Because only women suffer the consequences of abortions? Take this for example: A woman has had multiple abortions and suffers complications, she gets married at some later date, but she is unable to bear children due to the complications. Now, does the choice of her actions not affect her husband who is probably none the wiser about her antecedents?

Not my business!
You carry the topic on your pillow and sleep on it.
No wake up o.

DarkRebel69:


If you put money in a bank, does the money belong to the bank and the bank alone? Answer this.

You will not compare a woman's body to a bank, you will not compare a woman's body to money, you will not compare a woman's pregnancy to putting money in a bank, you will not compare a woman's pregnancy to putting a bank inside money,
In case you need more explanations on why you won't do such

Mindfulness:

They do not carry the pregnancy, neither endure the pains of delivery, neither quit their jobs to take care of babies, neither carry the stigma of single motherhood when the father decides to disappear, neither suffer from postpartum depression, neither risk their lives to give life.

Now please tell me if a bank does any of these for your money.

Now that that's settled

I'm assuming you're saying if the father of the child wants to keep the pregnancy, I don't really know what to do, of course the father and the mother both have a say but I don't really know what to do, if they didn't have an agreement before going raw on what should happen if the woman goes pregnant then good luck to them.

If you were paying any attention rather than rapidly skimming through so as to give a quick response, then you would have seen where I made concessions in the cases of "rape" and when "the birth of a child poses a grave danger to the mother's life ". Do you need a pince-nez?

@the bolded, If you were paying attention instead of rapidly skimming through my post so as to give a quick response you would have seen where I said that everything else is your own opinion and you were entitled to it

As for the rape, I saw your post about rape which I agreed with then saw how you tried to be slick and sneak in this "Even in cases of rape, the mother could have the child and then place him or her in a mother-less home."
Which is why I made my comment.
My point is if a woman who is pregnant as a result of rape wants to keep the child, you nod your head and say yes, if she wants abortion, you also nod your head and say yes, you do not even attempt to suggest to her what she should do with the pregnancy.

No thank you on your very generous offer , but i think you need your pince-nez more so you can use it to read through before posting. Thanks again

eyinjuege:


I'm not sure about your "worldwide problem"

You see it as a problem.

The different countries you showed their statistics don't see it as such..

Some see it as a means of population control, some see it as a means of empowering others.


Illegal abortion may be a problem in 3rd world countries due to the quacks that do it, but in places that it's done safely, it's not seen as a problem.

However, maybe from your moralistic point of view or religious point of view YOU may see it as wrong, but not necessarily a problem.

Let me show you why I say it's a problem and I focused on China. In China, the abortion trend favours male children than female and since it's a household act very deep insensitivity to life has been formed. Life means nothing.

Watch the video attached and see the results of years of no value to life via abortion. This I'd a video of a 2 year old Chinese girl in a very busy market who got run over repeatedly by vehicles in front of over 18 bystanders and witnesses and absolutely nobody did anything. The only person who did something eventually was a woman who simply dragged the body off the road and put it against some sacks and walked away.

Watch it and then tell me your opinion. This is the domino effect of abortion legalisation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UQGOle_ap0

Humanistme:
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MY REPLY IS IN THE PICTURE BELOW. Please read it thanks. This discussion is great.

butterflyl1on:


Let me show you why I say it's a problem and I focused on China. In China, the abortion trend favours male children than female and since it's a household act very deep insensitivity to life has been formed. Life means nothing.

Watch the video attached and see the results of years of no value to life via abortion. This I'd a video of a 2 year old Chinese girl in a very busy market who got run over repeatedly by vehicles in front of over 18 bystanders and witnesses and absolutely nobody did anything. The only person who did something eventually was a woman who simply dragged the body off the road and put it against some sacks and walked away.

Watch it and then tell me your opinion. This is the domino effect of abortion legalisation


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UQGOle_ap0

Abortion was not the reason for China's one child policy, rather it was a means to an end.
Abortion has nothing to do with the stereotype that male children are superior to females or even male gender is superior to the female.
Even here in nigeria, you still see where women should be seen amd not heard, heck they're not even to be seen in some places.
It's not because of abortion that those in the video didn't value human life or the corpse. More like what overpopulation with limited resources can lead to.

MarieSucre:


MY REPLY IS IN THE PICTURE BELOW. Please read thanks. This discussion is great.

thank you.

eyinjuege:


Abortion was not the reason for China's one child policy, rather it was a means to an end.
Abortion has nothing to do with the stereotype that male children are superior to females or even male gender is superior to the female.
Even here in nigeria, you still see where women should be seen amd not heard, heck they're not even to be seen in some places.
It's not because of abortion that those in the video didn't value human life or the corpse. More like what overpopulation with limited resources can lead to.

overpopulation by a 2 year old innocent girl?

You need to research China and see. China endorses sex selective abortion and male children enjoy the coverage.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/02/chinas-great-gender-crisis

http://chinadivide.com/2010/why-doesnt-china-respect-life.html

It's a huge problem and China is being used as a test case due to its frequency and acceptance with regards to abortion. Theirs is even worse due to the sex selective abortion.

KanwuliaExtra:


Not my business!
You carry the topic on your pillow and sleep on it.
No wake up o.

Why do you keep using "kissing emojis"? You are too old for me.

eyinjuege:


Abortion was not the reason for China's one child policy, rather it was a means to an end.
Abortion has nothing to do with the stereotype that male children are superior to females or even male gender is superior to the female.
Even here in nigeria, you still see where women should be seen amd not heard, heck they're not even to be seen in some places.
It's not because of abortion that those in the video didn't value human life or the corpse. More like what overpopulation with limited resources can lead to.

regarding the video of the 2 year old Chinese girl who got run over. Let me post a news report. Carefully observe the highlighted which Buttresses my points about the worthlessness of female children in an abortion riddled nation like China.


The first driver was later apprehended and explained why he didn’t stop during the incident last Thursday. According to one report, “If she is dead, I may pay only about 20,000 yuan ($3,125). But if she is injured, it may cost me hundreds of thousands yuan.” With the average Chinese salary equivalent to only $10,000 per year, killing someone is cheaper than injuring the person.
What happened to all the Good Samaritans who could have at least stopped traffic or called an ambulance after the girl was hit? China’s court system has reinforced an attitude of indifference, thus discouraging people from helping others. In a much publicized 2006 case, a man helped an elderly woman who broke her hip after getting knocked down while boarding a bus. Realizing a money making opportunity, the woman sued the Good Samaritan and accused him of causing her injury. The Chinese court sided with the woman, reasoning that the man would not have come to her aid had he not caused the fall.

In a country of 1.341 billion people, the value of a human life has become just a number. When I visited China years ago, my Shanghai tour guide mentioned how thousands of pedestrians died each year from vehicles hitting them. I exclaimed that the number seemed high. He retorted, “A few thousand isn’t a big deal in a city of 22 million.”
While human life in general appears devalued in China, it’s especially tragic for children who cannot fend for themselves. Kidnapped children are forced to work as slave laborers in illegal brickwork and mines. Tainted infant formula injures and kills babies. Or a van rolls over a toddler while people watch and continue on.
The common link through all of these scenarios is money. In the U.S., one of the grievances of the Occupy Wall Street movement is the widening gap between the rich and poor. In China, this divide is even sharper, driving people to shut off human empathy for the sake of gaining or retaining money.
Cultural norms also influence attitudes towards children. According to Confucian philosophy, filial piety (respect for elders) is a virtue to be held above everything else. I once read an article about differing cultural attitudes towards the elderly and children in China versus the U.S. The study asked, “If you were lost at sea and could only save one person, would you save your child or your mother?” Americans overwhelmingly chose saving the child, reasoning that the child still had his whole life to live whereas the mother had already lived hers. The Chinese response was the opposite – save the mother out of respect because you could always have another child.
To be fair many Chinese have likewise expressed outrage at the injustices towards their fellow citizens. It is also true that other countries including the U.S. have had their own issues, to varying degrees, regarding treatment of children. But as the saying goes, “Just because others do it doesn’t make it right.” Each life is unique and irreplaceable, but unfortunately selfishness on the part of some results in the demise of others.

http://www.biculturalmama.com/2011/10/what-is-value-of-childs-life-in-china.html

butterflyl1on:


overpopulation by a 2 year old innocent girl?

You need to research China and see. China endorses sex selective abortion and male children enjoy the coverage.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2011/nov/02/chinas-great-gender-crisis

http://chinadivide.com/2010/why-doesnt-china-respect-life.html

It's a huge problem and China is being used as a test case due to its frequency and acceptance with regards to abortion. Theirs is even worse due to the sex selective abortion.

That video you posted had nothing to do with abortion. There are loads of hit and run cases even in places where abortion is frowned upon. The reasons drivers don't stop really has nothing to do with abortion, whether gender selective or not

eyinjuege:


That video you posted had nothing to do with abortion. There are loads of hit and run cases even in places where abortion is frowned upon. The reasons drivers don't stop really has nothing to do with abortion, whether gender selective or not

if you have anyone in China I suggest you ask them some questions about the effects abortion has brought to human value to life in China. you would be shocked at what you would be told.

eyinjuege:


That video you posted had nothing to do with abortion. There are loads of hit and run cases even in places where abortion is frowned upon. The reasons drivers don't stop really has nothing to do with abortion, whether gender selective or not

excactly the problem is cultural then add the compulsory one child policy note the word COMPULSORY with punishment for defaulterd then add the economic situation and overpopulation. After all China is not the only country where abortion is legal.

DarkRebel69:


Why do you keep using "kissing emojis"? You are too old for me.

Obviously, even with your recycled ID, you still feign ignorance of the meaning of my use of the “kissing emoji”?

The “scammer” returns!

Please, face the topic.

butterflyl1on:


if you have anyone in China I suggest you ask them some questions about the effects abortion has brought to human value to life in China. you would be shocked at what you would be told.

My dear, asking 1 or 20 people in a population of over 1.2 billion people doesn't cut it.

Daeylar:

You will not compare a woman's body to a bank, you will not compare a woman's body to money, you will not compare a woman's pregnancy to putting money in a bank, you will not compare a woman's pregnancy to putting a bank inside money,
In case you need more explanations on why you won't do such

Why is that? Because a woman's body is gold or because it is made of diamond? Which one? Don't you guys compare our genitals to things like "rod", "stick", "bazooka", "pole", etc?

Stop over-reacting, Drug-Daeylar. Even the Bible compared Jesus–whom Christians take as their messiah– to a "sherperd". Analogies are not meant to trivialize or commodify, but to illumine.

Which is why I'm just going to ignore your ridiculous demands and compare away.
In this case, we will take a woman's body to be a bank (Bite me! ). A man deposits semen (money) in her, and it germinates into a foetus. Yes, we know a woman owns her body in the literal sense, but the moment she is pregnant and has a life growing within her, she has no right to decide whether it lives or not. She is only a vessel for another human life, not an arbiter of life and death.

I'm not one to cavil about the influences of the West, but I think this issue of abortion has the smutty fingerprints of the West all over it. It's only an irresponsible female who is also unfit to be a mother that will think to MURDER a child all in the name of it not being fully developed and so does not qualify as murder, or on the grounds that it is an "unwanted pregnancy".

I want to believe that if a woman is mature enough to have sex then she should be mature enough to deal with the consequences of it if either due to her clumsiness she did not use prophylactics or if she used and still got pregnant.

The issue of abortion only arises when people refuse to be take responsibility for their actions. And technology is also to be blamed. If there was no technology facilitating this crime then it wouldn't even be an issue.

Now please tell me if a bank does any of these for your money.

Now that that's settled

I'm assuming you're saying if the father of the child wants to keep the pregnancy, I don't really know what to do, of course the father and the mother both have a say but I don't really know what to do, if they didn't have an agreement before going raw on what should happen if the woman goes pregnant then good luck to them.

@the bolded, If you were paying attention instead of rapidly skimming through my post so as to give a quick response you would have seen where I said that everything else is your own opinion and you were entitled to it

As for the rape, I saw your post about rape which I agreed with then saw how you tried to be slick and sneak in this "Even in cases of rape, the mother could have the child and then place him or her in a mother-less home."
Which is why I made my comment

My point is if a woman who is pregnant as a result of rape wants to keep the child, you nod your head and say yes, if she wants abortion, you also nod your head and say yes, you do not even attempt to suggest to her what she should do with the pregnancy.

No thank you on your very generous offer , but i think you need your pince-nez more so you can use it to read through before posting. Thanks again

I still think you need the pince-nez. If not for anything but to accentuate your sexiness.

KanwuliaExtra:

Obviously, even with your recycled ID, you still feign ignorance of the meaning of my use of the “kissing emoji”?

The “scammer” returns!

Please, face the topic.

If what you are trying to hint at is that I am Coogar, hence your allusion to "The scammer", then sorry, you are terribly wide of the mark. Last time I checked, Coogar was effusively pro-abortion.
Also, Darkrebel–in his former incarnations–was a popular figure in the rap section on Nairaland and occasionally bantered with Coogar on so many Hip-hop/Rap related issues; Coogar also downvoted Darkrebel on so many of his rap battles, so unless I have a split personality disorder, then your indirect accusation is pathetically möronic.

You are not that bright, KarishikaExtra. You know that, don't you? Go suck a dick, will ya?

DarkRebel69:


If what you are trying to hint at is that I am Coogar, hence your allusion to "The scammer", then sorry, you are terribly wide of the mark. Last time I checked, Coogar was effusively pro-abortion.
Also, Darkrebel–in his former incarnations–was a popular figure in the rap section on Nairaland and occasionally bantered with Coogar on so many Hip-hop/Rap related issues; Coogar also downvoted Darkrebel on so many rap battles, so unless I have a split personality disorder, then your indirect accusation is outrightly möronic.

You are not that bright, KarishikaExtra. You know that, don't you? Go suck a dick, will ya?

Hmmmm!
Na who ask for all this explanation oooooooh?
Na only 1 scammer dey NL?

KanwuliaExtra:

Hmmmm!
Na who ask for all this explanation oooooooh?
Na only 1 scammer dey NL?

I had to help you reason since you wouldn't–or rather couldn't–do it yourself.

DarkRebel69:


I had to help you reason since you wouldn't–or rather couldn't–do it yourself.

You are 1 MAJOR reason why women should have abortions, so as not to replicate genetic disasters.

You are abusive and chauvinistic. You are the kind that blackmails females after sleeping with them like your FELLOW NL scammers.
Any girl unfortunate to end in your bed only has a life/death time of regrets.

Tufiakwa!!!!

Cc #NL SCAMMERS#

KanwuliaExtra:

You are 1 MAJOR reason why women should have abortions, so as not to replicate genetic disasters.

Is this a season for unbridled emotional outbursts? Eh? Why, is it that time of the month?

You are abusive and chauvinistic. [s]You are the kind that blackmails females after sleeping with them like your FELLOW NL scammers[/s].
Any girl unfortunate to end in your bed only has s life/death time of regrets.

Tufiakwa!!!!

Cc #NL SCAMMERS#

You were the one who referred to children as "chopped loads in trash bags". If I came off as "abusive" as you claim, then it's only because you came off as a cold-blooded sociopath (which you are by the way).

On the contrary, any girl that ends up on my bed should feel quite fortunate. I'm quite the patient and thorough lover.

Go to bed already, madam. You are already firing blanks. Goodnight.

DarkRebel69:


Is this a season for unbridled emotional outbursts? Eh? Why, is it that time of the month?



You were the one who referred to children as "chopped loads in trash bags". If I came off as "abusive" as you claim, then it's only because you came off as a cold-blooded sociopath (which you are by the way).

On the contrary, any girl that ends up on my bed should feel quite fortunate. I'm quite the patient and thorough lover.

Go to bed already, madam. You are already firing blanks. Goodnight.

Nitey.

Enjoy this thread of children who wished to run away from THE REAL PSYCHO-PARENTS.


https://www.nairaland.com/4087891/nigerians-ever-thought-running-away

butterflyl1on:


You do realise that abortion is not what you know. A lot of it mostly happen even without the knowledge of hospitals.

You are showing me legal limits. Now let me show you the things that happen illegally.


What you see here is abortion at 22 weeks.

The diagram shows how this is done medically and then the horror of those who do theirs without medical assistance.

GRAPHIC CONTENT WARNING!

You, my friend, are just impossible! We had this discussion yesterday, and I pointed out to you briefly what the lady, Mindfulness, just showed you in details! I said for abortion in the EARLIEST weeks of pregnancy, there can be no argument, since that fetus can't be considered a baby or human in any sense of the word! But later into the pregancy is where the complexities come in, and health experts are then required to make a sharp distinction between a fetus and a baby - or a fetus BEFORE it reaches the stage where it can exist independently outside the womb, and the fetus AFTER that stage [in case you try grasping at straws again and creating confusion out of the ambiguity of terms/words]. More or less, establishing the point of transition of a fetus into a baby.

I told you all these but you ignored them and kept shifting the goal post. You must really have a pathological obsession with the issue of abortion for you to come to a different section to create another thread on the same topic. Why are you so DESPERATE to criminalize abortion?

Tell butterfly1on that it is unarguable that there's nothing criminal about abortion in the EARLY weeks of pregnancy, and watch him turbo charge his irrationality and start telling you about the fetus at 40 WEEKS OLD! Seriously, nigga?!

Tell butterflyl1on that there's a LEGAL limit for abortion and he'll still point out to you that some people do it ILLEGALLY. But, man, what's that shiit supposed to mean? Haven't you established the distinction yourself by using the words LEGAL and ILLEGAL?

It's like telling him that murder is LEGALLY wrong, and he still tries to tell you that some people commit murder ILLEGALLY. Please, what point is he trying to make? What message is he trying to pass across? What is he talking about?

---

Tozara

Abortion is always a very ethical and controversial topic to discuss. Personally, I’m not for it. Children are a blessing, some women are barren and try their best to conceive but they can’t, while others end up conceiving unintentionally. While a woman is in charge of her body, I do think the fetus, something we once all were, still has the right to life and if she doesn’t want the baby, pass it to someone who does. Give the baby up so the child still gets to live and be with parent(s) who want them. Why should they die when they didn’t ask to be born? What if your mother aborted you? What you can’t do, someone else will.

Pregnancy is a process, but it doesn’t last forever. The woman should just give the child up so the child still gets a chance. Unless the pregnancy is seriously high risk, but regardless I’m still against it.

I am prochoice. Come and beat me

AlmiqhteeAllah:
You, my friend, are just impossible! We had this discussion yesterday, and I pointed out to you briefly what the lady, Mindfulness, just showed you in details! I said for abortion in the EARLIEST weeks of pregnancy, there can be no argument, since that fetus can't be considered a baby or human in any sense of the word! But later into the pregancy is where the complexities come in, and health experts are then required to make a sharp distinction between a fetus and a baby - or a fetus BEFORE it reaches the stage where it can exist independently outside the womb, and the fetus AFTER that stage [in case you try grasping at straws again and creating confusion out of the ambiguity of terms/words]. More or less, establishing the point of transition of a fetus into a baby.

I told you all these but you ignored them and kept shifting the goal post. You must really have a pathological obsession with the issue of abortion for you to come to a different section to create another thread on the same topic. Why are you so DESPERATE to criminalize abortion?

Tell butterfly1on that it is unarguable that there's nothing criminal about abortion in the EARLY weeks of pregnancy, and watch him turbo charge his irrationality and start telling you about the fetus at 40 WEEKS OLD! Seriously, nigga?!

Tell butterflyl1on that there's a LEGAL limit for abortion and he'll still point out to you that some people do it ILLEGALLY. But, man, what's that shiit supposed to mean? Haven't you established the distinction yourself by using the words LEGAL and ILLEGAL?

It's like telling him that murder is LEGALLY wrong, and he still tries to tell you that some people commit murder ILLEGALLY. Please, what point is he trying to make? What message is he trying to pass across? What is he talking about?

This discussion is not about you or what you try to force down anybodys throat. As you can see others also have their own opinions. I told you that you seem not to like it when people disagree with your opinions and you become aggressive with your words when this happens.

You are not an authority and your limited perspectives about issues shows that your mind only sees and appreciates what appeals to it but what you do not realise is that the perspective of others sharply contrast yours and they have a right to this.

My focus is not on the legality of abortion but about the act itself be it legal or not. It is not about the assumed age of the fetus be it early when abortion occurs but that it also occurs further on beyond the early stage for many as well.

In a nutshell, be it legal or not, early or late, this thread is simply talking about abortion as a whole and not breaking it into segments. If you find it hard to deal with that then simply be an observer. Even that is also a contribution.

You say there is nothing criminal about abortion and I say you are wrong because I remember asking you if wrong is right simply because the law approves it. Does the law permit us to sell our conscience and carry out acts we often regret? Why then do we regret? Why do women regret their actions and feel depressed during or after abortions Afterall the law did not criminalise it. So why these feelings of depression, regret, etc? They should be happy and rejoicing that they did not break any law and still achieved their purpose but for a lot this is not so.

So coming to talk about legality or illegality or early abortion and late abortion when this thread has made no such distinction and is simply generally talking about abortion as an act is very shallow and shows that all you see is what subscribes to the law when the same law is ignored by many daily.

Be an observer please and your opinion as I told you on another thread has been noted. Thank you.

skressed1:
Abortion is always a very ethical and controversial topic to discuss. Personally, I’m not for it. Children are a blessing, some women are barren and try their best to conceive but they can’t, while others end up conceiving unintentionally. While a woman is in charge of her body, I do think the fetus, something we once all were, still has the right to life and if she doesn’t want the baby, pass it to someone who does. Give the baby up so the child still gets to live and be with parent(s) who want them. Why should they die when they didn’t ask to be born? What if your mother aborted you? What you can’t do, someone else will.

Pregnancy is a process, but it doesn’t last forever. The woman should just give the child up so the child still gets a chance. Unless the pregnancy is seriously high risk, but regardless I’m still against it.

hi are you Nigerian? Some have said that they would rather terminate the pregnancy than give birth to a child in an environment where they would suffer. Is this right?

Others have said that if the pregnancy was as a result of rape they would terminate it simply because the child or pregnancy would remind them of the incident. Is this a good enough reason?

Others talked about the stigma of single parenthood. Is there really such a huge stigma that can overshadow the life of a child in the womb and permit it's termination?

I would love to read your thoughts.

butterflyl1on:



This discussion is not about you or what you try to force down anybodys throat. As you can see others also have their own opinions. I told you that you seem not to like it when people disagree with your opinions and you become aggressive with your words when this happens.

You are not an authority and your limited perspectives about issues shows that your mind only sees and appreciates what appeals to it but what you do not realise is that the perspective of others sharply contrast yours and they have a right to this.

My focus is not on the legality of abortion but about the act itself be it legal or not. It is not about the assumed age of the fetus be it early when abortion occurs but that it also occurs further on beyond the early stage for many as well.

In a nutshell, be it legal or not, early or late, this thread is simply talking about abortion as a whole and not breaking it into segments. If you find it hard to deal with that then simply be an observer. Even that is also a contribution.

You say there is nothing criminal about abortion and I say you are wrong because I remember asking you if wrong is right simply because the law approves it. Does the law permit us to sell our conscience and carry out acts we often regret? Why then do we regret? Why do women regret their actions and feel depressed during or after abortions Afterall the law did not criminalise it. So why these feelings of depression, regret, etc? They should be happy and rejoicing that they did not break any law and still achieved their purpose but for a lot this is not so.

So coming to talk about legality or illegality or early abortion and late abortion when this thread has made no such distinction and is simply generally talking about abortion as an act is very shallow and shows that all you see is what subscribes to the law when the same law is ignored by many daily.

Be an observer please and your opinion as I told you on another thread has been noted. Thank you.

Aggressive indeed! I guess it would be pointless taking this any further. Enjoy your thread.

AlmiqhteeAllah:
Aggressive indeed! I guess it would be pointless taking this any further. Enjoy your thread.

From the other thread your aggressiveness and tendency to insult when not agreed with was notoriously evident so my reference was to that and not here. Your opinion has been noted and if you wish to contribute constructively now that you have been shown what the thread is about you are free to do so. However respect the opinions of others when they disagree with yours.

DarkRebel69:


Why is that? Because a woman's body is gold or because it is made of diamond? Which one? Don't you guys compare our genitals to things like "rod", "stick", "bazooka", "pole", etc?

Stop over-reacting, Drug-Daeylar. Even the Bible compared Jesus–whom Christians take as their messiah– to a "sherperd". Analogies are not meant to trivialize or commodify, but to illumine.

Which is why I'm just going to ignore your ridiculous demands and compare away.
In this case, we will take a woman's body to be a bank (Bite me! ). A man deposits semen (money) in her, and it germinates into a foetus. Yes, we know a woman owns her body in the literal sense, but the moment she is pregnant and has a life growing within her, she has no right to decide whether it lives or not. She is only a vessel for another human life, not an arbiter of life and death.

I'm not one to cavil about the influences of the West, but I think this issue of abortion has the smutty fingerprints of the West all over it. It's only an irresponsible female who is also unfit to be a mother that will think to MURDER a child all in the name of it not being fully developed and so does not qualify as murder, or on the grounds that it is an "unwanted pregnancy".

I want to believe that if a woman is mature enough to have sex then she should be mature enough to deal with the consequences of it if either due to her clumsiness she did not use prophylactics or if she used and still got pregnant.

The issue of abortion only arises when people refuse to be take responsibility for their actions. And technology is also to be blamed. If there was no technology facilitating this crime then it wouldn't even be an issue.



I still think you need the pince-nez. If not for anything but to accentuate your sexiness.

Still the same boring story, whether you like it or not, a woman's body is hers alone, you have to deal, or you may not. No one cares LMAO

Please keep the pince-nez, it's very necessary you use it before responding

butterflyl1on:


Stop getting it twisted.

is this your default reply when someone disagrees with you? you claim that they're ignorant or that they do not understand you, because you're some oracle and your word is sacrosanct so anyone who doesn't agree with it is simply wrong . You never cease to amuse me

a fertilised egg is not yet an embryo. It is a zygote. There is a difference.

Once implantation occurs then life begins. Life begins at conception not fertilisation.

You are contradicting yourself sir. Are you alleging that fertilization and conception are two distinct processes? Fertilization and Implantation are both stages of conception so you're the one getting it twisted. But let's assume you mean conception = implantation, and life begins only after implantation then what you're saying in essence is, a woman is not really pregnant until the zygote implants on the endometrium yeah? but upon fertilization, a living egg is fertilized by a living sperm to form a (living?)zygote whose genetic makeup is complete and whose chromosomal sex can already be determined. In other words, you already know what the sex of your baby will be so it's not just a clump of cells, doesn't this qualify as "Life" to you? If no, then what do you mean by life?

So since implantation occurs between day 6 and 7 (approximately), then going by your logic, its perfectly fine to get rid of a zygote (say with emergency pills that prevent implantation), because according to you, life only begins at implantation? Then you aren't so pro-life afterall

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is this your default reply when someone disagrees with you? you claim that they're ignorant or that they do not understand you, because you're some oracle and your word is sacrosanct so anyone who doesn't agree with it is simply wrong . You never cease to amuse me

You are contradicting yourself sir. Are you alleging that fertilization and conception are two distinct processes? Fertilization and Implantation are both stages of conception so you're the one getting it twisted. But let's assume you mean conception = implantation, and life begins only after implantation then what you're saying in essence is, a woman is not really pregnant until the zygote implants on the endometrium yeah? but upon fertilization, a living egg is fertilized by a living sperm to form a zygote whose genetic makeup is complete and whose chromosomal sex can already be determined. In other words, you already know what the sex of your baby will be so it's not just a clump of cells, doesn't this qualify as "Life" to you? If no, then what do you mean by life?

So since implantation occurs between day 6 and 7 (approximately), then going by your logic, its perfectly fine to get rid of a zygote (say with emergency pills that prevent implantation), because according to you, life only begins at implantation? Then you aren't so pro-life afterall

I am sure you have seen where I asked a very salient question.

AT WHAT POINT DOES LIFE BEGIN? WHEN IS A FETUS CONSIDERED HUMAN?

if you can answer this then you would see my position clearly and why all you said was simply an error on your part from not going through each of my comments.

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Would i do it? One good thing is: You're making me ask myself that question. The other should be that I get to answer it without being judged for saying yes (or no). That's the way it should be. The evil thing about pro-lifers is that they take away the right to choose. Asking myself that question means I'm pro-choice on the issue of abortion: I acknowledge that there is a personal question to be asked, and a personal decision to be made.

To commandeer another person's body, exposing it to deformation and health dangers, for a period if nine months without that person's unreserved express consent, must violate a number of fundamental human rights. A woman must want to go through with the pregnancy for it to be deemed viable. People who want to bestow personhood on a zygote take personhood away from an adult female when they deny her the right to her own body. If a zygote is a living person with the right to life and liberty and all, incarcerating a pregnant woman should naturally translate to wrongful imprisonment of a minor. You can't pick and choose when to decide to call it a human being.

That said, abortion is never an easy decision for any woman, but it is ultimately her place to decide whether or not to,do it. And choosing abortion doesn't make her a monster. I can see myself aborting a pregnancy if an AFT showed chromosomal anomalies that would greatly compromise the quality of life of my soon-to-be-born child. That may not be the only scenario that would register with me, but that's just off the top of my head now.