Jesusgirl92:
Please don't get me wrong... I know the bigger picture was to show clearly the superiority of Christ priesthood as opposed to the Levitical priesthood... But my sister analize brought to my attention the detail of tithe... Why was it mentioned there?? Why was it stated in both cases that tithe was collected... Why was TITHE mentioned?? And please stop this "you and your crew thing" you keep saying.... I'm not quarreling with you.

I'm not quarreling with your just that you people pitch tents together and saying the same thing and it doesn't take us too long to counter those argument y'all present.

Okay if you agree the chapter is addressing the supiriority of one over the other, good then we're on the same page with that.

Now, if Analize was saying why the mention of tithe in those verses. She has to come up with the reasons WITH BIBLE STUDY AND REFERENCES and we look at them OTHER THAN THE REASONS IT WAS MENTIONED BY THE WRITER. And don't forget, both accounts of Hebrews and Genesis has to compliment each other NOT against each other. Off course a writer will mention THE EVENTS along side with the ACTORS so we the readers understand what he's talking about. He does NOT mentioned tithe TO ESTABLISH A DOCTRINE for Christians otherwise the summary and conclusion would have established that.

The Holy Spirit choose Melchizedek for a reason just because his record of birth, death are missing in Genesis so he was considered not having beginning of days and end of life but Jesus we know his birth record and death record. However we believers are of Christ that's the resurrected Lord n we're not of JESUS.

Jesusgirl92:
If you call money you give to you local church contributions, I won't call mine that. You can give money, service, food items or whatever you wish to as the Spirit leads...

Your time is also contributions, your for is also contributions and so is your service. Don't you hear people say stuff like.....my contributions to my community. Doesn't have to be money and it could be money. Again when we say offerings, please understand it carries a different meaning from the bible. We don't give OFFERINGS no more today in the church BECAUSE CHRIST ALREADY FULFILLED THE MEANINGS OF OFFERINGS.

Goshen360, Now that we are clear on that and we are friends (I assume)... I just want us to reason something together... If tithes were so insignificant... Why was it mentioned at all?... Analize said and I actually agree with her... That establishing the Truth of the Superiority of the priesthood of Christ would have been done effortlessly without even the mention of tithes. But Tithe was mentioned... Why??

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PointZerom:



There's express commandment of tithe in the Bible but you all claimed that it's for the Levites but One thing you forgot to know is that the duties of these biblical Levites in the temple that prompted the tithe are bn taken care of by some people in todays present church who are also being taken care of by the church through tithes etc.

... Hello, not the same! The Levite's have no properties, no inheritance. That priesthood was abolished when Christ died making way for all anointed Christians in the 1st century to become 'a a royal Priesthood'
Tithing is against the principle of Christian giving as outlined in 2 Cor 9: 7 which admonishes Christians not to give out of Compulsion

Goshen360:


Your time is also contributions, your for is also contributions and so is your service. Don't you hear people say stuff like.....my contributions to my community. Doesn't have to be money and it could be money. Again when we say offerings, please understand it carries a different meaning from the bible. We don't give OFFERINGS no more today in the church BECAUSE CHRIST ALREADY FULFILLED THE MEANINGS OF OFFERINGS.

hmm.

Why are tithe defenders always rude and abusive?

donbenie:
Am not surprised,these SCAMMERS are the second coming of Christ to some of you people..no wonder you lay more emphasis on what they have to say than what the Bible and Christ actually says..

What does the bible say? What are they saying?What are you saying?







Whatever anyone is saying is his own perspectve. Including you, your church or organization. Same scriptures different views.

Jesusgirl92:
Goshen360, Now that we are clear on that and we are friends (I assume)... I just want us to reason something together... If tithes were so insignificant... Why was it mentioned at all?... Analize said and I actually agree with her... That establishing the Truth of the Superiority of the priesthood of Christ would have been done effortlessly without even the mention of tithes. But Tithe was mentioned... Why??

I just told you....why. Maybe you or she have another reason(s) y'all can come up with it AND WE'LL LOOK AT IT TOGETHER. But I'm saying tithe has to be mentioned because it was an event which happened with or by the actors so we can know who and what is being said. If there exist other reasons, I believe the Holy Spirit would have said it other than the supiriority of the priesthood

Goshen360:


. We don't give OFFERINGS no more today in the church BECAUSE CHRIST ALREADY FULFILLED THE MEANINGS OF OFFERINGS.

Wrong. Tithes , Offering , sacrifices are eternal principles . Jesus only fulfilled SIN offering .

He didn’t fulfill your thanksgiving offering or free will offering or your tithe or your personal sacrifice .

NuclearWinter:
Fake pastor.

If you were a true Christian as you claim, you will know the verse that states "no one comes to the father unless through me".

God does not speak directly to men since Jesus ascension.

There are no more prophets after Jesus and so whoever you spoke with is not th God of Bible but the same evil spirit that possessed Mohammed

Haba, leave Prophet Mohammed out of this abeg, face what concerns you as a christian.

Joagbaje:


Wrong. Tithes , Offering , sacrifices are eternal principles . Jesus only fulfilled SIN offering .

He didn’t fulfill your thanksgiving offering or free will offering or your tithe or your personal sacrifice .

God bless you sir.

Joagbaje:


Wrong. Tithes , Offering , sacrifices are eternal principles . Jesus only fulfilled SIN offering .

He didn’t fulfill your thanksgiving offering or free will offering or your tithe or your personal sacrifice .

I knew the boss will show up. Welcome sir.

You can use all kinds of technical names to deceive folks that's you that we know. What does Hebrews 10vs8 says....notice things mentioned there including SIN OFFERINGS.

Go ahead

Jesusgirl92:
God bless you sir.

God bless him because he's the chairHEAD, of your crew I was talking about earlier.

Don't worry, we'll get you guys straight.

Goshen360:


God bless him because he's the chairHEAD, of your crew I was talking about earlier.

Don't worry, we'll get you guys straight.

Why u dey tackle me na? Do we have to agree all the time?? But does that mean you should use "chairHEAD", "crew" and all to address us?? Doesn't show maturity... But if it makes you happy, then continue.

Jesusgirl92:
I don't pay tithe simply because I'm coerced to sir.

I know you do not pay tithe under coersion. I have been following your discussion on this matter. You seem like someone who wants to know the truth about this matter. You among all are quite reasonable as you try to support your arguments with the Bible.

Remember that Paul was a Jew and he wrote the Bible book of Hebrews as a letter to his own kinsmen. Remember he was a lawyer very astute in the Jewish law. That you can fathom in the depth of his discourse on the superiority of the priesthood of Jesus Christ over that of the Levi. There is no record that he Paul received or paid tithe. Rather he supported himself by doing a humbling work of building tents in the course of his ministry Acts 18:1-3. And the advice he gave at 1st Cor 16: 1-3 shows clearly what Christians now have to do to support the promotion of the good news.
The issue is not the 10% of your earning. It is using the Bible to promote a personal opinion with a view to benefitting materially or financially in the process. THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG. I would personally give higher than the paltry 10% as a demonstration of my love for God and his Son Jesus Christ.
And to say you dont care how the self acclaimed men of god use the tithe is to be spiritually myopic. Would you open your eyes deliberately support a fraudulent cause?

Goshen360:
Your time is also contributions, your for is also contributions and so is your service.
Don't you hear people say stuff like.....my contributions to my community.
Doesn't have to be money and it could be money.
Again when we say offerings, please understand it carries a different meaning from the bible.
We don't give OFFERINGS no more today in the church BECAUSE CHRIST ALREADY FULFILLED THE MEANINGS OF OFFERINGS.

Jesusgirl92:
hmm.

Goshen360, that hmm, speaks volume
Sign of, there is, light at the end of the tunnel

Jesusgirl92:
I don't pay tithe simply because I'm coerced to sir.

Why do you pay tithe then, if not because you're coerced to?
I can bet my bottom dollar that your christian gatherings, has a tithe ledger,
and members fall out of your christian gatherings' favour, if their names are found wanting in their tithe ledger book.

Jesusgirl92:
Why u dey tackle me na?
Do we have to agree all the time??

You are being tackled because of the love of Christ people have for you
You are being tackled because you'll be better off and effective once you know the full truth

Jesusgirl92:
But does that mean you should use "chairHEAD", "crew" and all to address us??
Doesn't show maturity...
But if it makes you happy, then continue.

Sometimes the name calling shock tactics and tough love is needed to get people's attention

Investnow2017:


I know you do not pay tithe under coersion. I have been following your discussion on this matter. You seem like someone who wants to know the truth about this matter. You among all are quite reasonable as you try to support your arguments with the Bible.

Remember that Paul was a Jew and he wrote the Bible book of Hebrews as a letter to his own kinsmen. Remember he was a lawyer very astute in the Jewish law. That you can fathom in the depth of his discourse on the superiority of the priesthood of Jesus Christ over that of the Levi. There is no record that he Paul received or paid tithe. Rather he supported himself by doing a humbling work of building tents in the course of his ministry Acts 18:1-3. And the advice he gave at 1st Cor 16: 1-3 shows clearly what Christians now have to do to support the promotion of the good news.
The issue is not the 10% of your earning. It is using the Bible to promote a personal opinion with a view to benefitting materially or financially in the process. THAT IS WHAT IS WRONG. I would personally give higher than the paltry 10% as a demonstration of my love for God and his Son Jesus Christ.
And to say you dont care how the self acclaimed men of god use the tithe is to be spiritually myopic. Would you open your eyes deliberating support a fraudulent cause?

if some pastors were "misappropriating" money given as offerings, is it now right to stop giving offerings? Does two wrongs make a right? When you stop giving, then your belief is that you've stopped "enriching" the pastor. In other words, your belief in the beginning was that you give you offerings to pastors and not God. We are only accountable to God for our actions and not another person's misdeeds

MuttleyLaff:


Goshen360, that hmm, speaks volume
Sign of, there is, light at the end of the tunnel

Why do you pay tithe then, if not because you're coerced to?
I can bet my bottom dollar that your christian gatherings, has a tithe ledger,
and members fall out of your christian gatherings' favour, if their names are found wanting in their tithe ledger book.

You are being tackled because of the love of Christ people have for you
You are being tackled because you'll be better off and effective once your know the full truth
Sometimes the name calling shock tactics and tough love is needed to get people's attention

Does name calling show the love of Christ??

Jesusgirl92:
Does name calling show the love of Christ??

Sometimes it does....so the answer is YES. Paul called some people names more ridiculous than I'm doing. Don't you think so? Btw, I'll be gentle still on the name calling but you get it every now and then....

Btw, excuse me, the Lord of Christ being....to fight for preserving the truth from distortion in the body of Christ.

We cool?

Jesusgirl92:
Does name calling show the love of Christ??

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

Yes it does,
especially when calling a spade a spade
and some are preventing others to know and learn about how the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

BeeBeeOoh:


http://dailypost.ng/2017/12/02/god-convinced-tithing-right-adeboye-speaks/

Well done Sir.
I don't think there's is a true believer who doesn't pay tithe. A canal man cannot understand the things of the spirit...

Goshen360:


Sometimes it does....so the answer is YES. Paul called some people names more ridiculous than I'm doing. Don't you think so? Btw, I'll be gentle still on the name calling but you get it every now and then....

Btw, excuse me, the Lord of Christ being....to fight for preserving the truth from distortion in the body of Christ.

We cool?

Buy me land first .

Goshen360:
Sometimes it does....so the answer is YES.
Paul called some people names more ridiculous than I'm doing. Don't you think so?
Btw, I'll be gentle still on the name calling but you get it every now and then....

Btw, excuse me, the Love of Christ being....to fight for preserving the truth from distortion in the body of Christ.

We cool?

Jesusgirl92:
Buy me land first .

You've just learned the hard way, that, if you go onto a tithe battlefield, you will be shot at

You dont need anyone buying you land first, that you couldnt buy by yourself
Learn about the revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7
and see how easy it will turn out for you to buy land by yourself

Jesusgirl92:
Buy me land first .

Haaaaa, I thought u are Levite that was commanded not to have inheritance. . Btw, I don't hv to buy you land, I can give you one of my 3 lands in Badagry but you have to promise me you'll stop collecting tithe. .

[s]Btw, excuse me again.....I thought tithers like you would hv or should have lots of benefits by now. Where's the promise of malachi 3....?[/s] Just joking.....maybe you might have more land than I do....

Jesusgirl92:
if some pastors were "misappropriating" money given as offerings, is it now right to stop giving offerings? Does two wrongs make a right? When you stop giving, then your belief is that you've stopped "enriching" the pastor. In other words, your belief in the beginning was that you give you offerings to pastors and not God. We are only accountable to God for our actions and not another person's misdeeds

@Jesusgirl92. You pick my points selectively. Address the points about Paul's letters regarding the subject under discussion.

UbanmeUdie:




My father! My father!!

Ride on sir!

Tithing dates far back before the Mosaic law. It is a covenant practice born out of revelation and insight into the deep things of God.

Father Abraham gave tithes.
Jacob gave his tithe.

And if we are Abraham's children and are now partakers of Abraham's blessings, then we must equally engage the deeds of Abraham (Hebrews 7).

Many are busy shouting, "we are now under grace, and not under the law, therefore the law should be done away with". Is this only regarding tithing?

I hope grace has now nullified the law that says thou shall not kill, thou shall not commit fornication, thou shall not lie, thou shall not worship any other god besides me, etc.

Many have become abusers of grace because they don't understand what grace is and what it has come to do.

Grace is the divine ability to do God's will without limitation where ordinarily, men would fail. Grace rides on the wheels of Mercy.

It is this mercy (divine pardon) that everyone enjoys today as a result of the blood that Jesus shed on Calvary. That is why, when many ought to have died instantly after committing a sin, they live on. Mercy suspends at outright almost instant consequence for sin and gives many chances for repentance.


The death of Jesus didn't abolish tithing because if it does, then it also abolished the sin of murder, idolatory and fornication.

His death only grants us divine pardon from the immediate consequences of sin.


I stand with Daddy G.O

You have said it all brother. Many Christians really don't know the work of grace.

Goshen360:


Haaaaa, I thought u are Levite that was commanded not to have inheritance. . Btw, I don't hv to buy you land, I can give you one of my 3 lands in Badagry but you have to promise me you'll stop collecting tithe. .

[s]Btw, excuse me again.....I thought tithers like you would hv or should have lots of benefits by now. Where's the promise of malachi 3....?[/s] Just joking.....maybe you might have more land than I do....

I go soon wound you... But for now, I don fight finish..

Jesusgirl92:
I go soon wound you... But for now, I don fight finish..

Time will tell whether or not, that's wishful thinking.

Spylord48:
Pastor: secretary how much did we make today after the ist Sunday service. I know it will be up to #50m because I saw Sister Agnes, brother Johnson, Sister Kate,Cordelia, Daddy dogood and others today in the service.

SECRETARY: Daddy Na only #100k oo.
PASTOR: you mean #100m? Thank you Jesus oo.
SECRETARY: daddy I mean #100000 and not 100m
PASTOR: Sr Precious, I no dy joke which one be 100k ? so you have started stealing my money eh?
SECRETARY: nooo pastor, people didn't pay tithe much today. Even the offering box was filled with #50 and no #1000 note even. .
PASTOR: chai seems that guy Freeze or what Don dy Get these people small small. Which one is from #50m to 100k.So my dream of buying private jet this period is jerking small small eh.

Freeze continue the good works. Time to make this pastors go out of business. And I believe by then, we will know the church that are the true church and the pastors genuinely called by God.

They haven't started shivering, by the time their monthly income clock #10k that when they will know that their scam era is all but over

I think that God is using daddy freeze to expose our fraudulent men not called by God

Jesusgirl92:
I go soon wound you... But for now, I don fight finish..

No, me and you.....a ti le po....

We gonna fight this truth to finish. Lemme ask you this, do you know why many pay tithe but still not showing nothing for it and some still broke and have to go borrow from non tithers like me? I guess I might show you a mystery here today.

MuttleyLaff:
Time will tell whether or not, that's wishful thinking.

Onku, he knows I was joking with him... No need for all the grammar abeg. Thanks.

MightySparrow:



What does the bible say? What are they saying?What are you saying?







Whatever anyone is saying is his own perspectve. Including you, your church or organization. Same scriptures different views.

Am sure both you and ALL the Daddy GOs read Freezes original article on the issue of Tithing in which he buttressed his points based on Biblical verses backing up his claim..
Why don't you and your Daddy GOs debunk his claim based on the said verses with your own perspective instead of whipping up sentiments,character assassinations and emotional blackmail..
GOD PERSONALLY CONVINCED ME TITHING IS RIGHT,that is what your CON MEN can come up with in defense of their SCAM..#FREETHESHEEPLE