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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 10:57am On Dec 06, 2017
Kog45:
Muda Lawal was the oldest and 22 years old Stephen Keshi was the captain,this singular decision by Onigbinde always my point against anyone who called Onigbinde a tribal man.

You dey mind the fake icon of Nigerian football history. Na my brother history em sabi and he wants all of dem in d starting 11in order to boast his villagers are best in Nigeria in one of those his beer parlour talks.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 10:57am On Dec 06, 2017
Kog45:
Enyeama left Eagles unceremoniously due to captain band issue, not having issue with Mikel is not the question,remember Musa is still in the team,how do you expect them to relate.This things brings confusion into the team.

If Rohr can manage it no wahala,they are Nigerians and are still eligible to play for us.
Can't find it as it was a few pages back. I know Humility017 argued Nacho was better in regards to SE.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 10:59am On Dec 06, 2017
Goke7:


It's a longstanding culture in the eagles for the oldest player to be captain and undisputed leader in the team, mikel can never be captain with an enyeama in the team. The older players have always been disruptive in our national teams or you think a mikel can set the rules for martins?

It's not a joke o! It has cost us real problems in the past world cups and afcon tournaments. You think all was well in the camp when yobo was present and enyeama was captain? Have you forgotten how enyeama quickly handed over the afcon trophy to yobo in 2013.

We can't simply afford those distractions in the world cup with the group we are in. Our players are not oyinbos for Christ sake despite playing in europe, na thick african blood dem get where seniority na big matter
If they don't accept Mikel as captain, then they shouldn't be invited. I also appreciate the importance of good team spirit.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 10:59am On Dec 06, 2017
Goke7:


It's a longstanding culture in the eagles for the oldest player to be captain and undisputed leader in the team, mikel can never be captain with an enyeama in the team. The older players have always been disruptive in our national teams or you think a mikel can set the rules for martins?

It's not a joke o! It has cost us real problems in the past world cups and afcon tournaments. You think all was well in the camp when yobo was present and enyeama was captain? Have you forgotten how enyeama quickly handed over the afcon trophy to yobo in 2013.

We can't simply afford those distractions in the world cup with the group we are in. Our players are not oyinbos for Christ sake despite playing in europe, na thick african blood dem get where seniority na big matter
If they don't accept Mikel as captain, then they shouldn't be invited. I also appreciate the importance of good team spirit
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by edi287: 11:01am On Dec 06, 2017
Kog45:
Enyeama left Eagles unceremoniously due to captain band issue, not having issue with Mikel is not the question,remember Musa is still in the team,how do you expect them to relate.This things brings confusion into the team.

If Rohr can manage it no wahala,they are Nigerians and are still eligible to play for us.
I agree in regards to team spirit, but Enyeama should be more mature now and not make an issue out of it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:04am On Dec 06, 2017
Goke7:


Oh you are going that lane abi? that was why Onigbinde failed in 2002 when he tried a system that worked for him in 1984.

You keep using things from the past to want to justify the present and it's not working bro and cannot work.

That was a rebuttal to your false statement that says and I quote 'It's a longstanding culture in the eagles for the oldest player to be captain and undisputed leader in the team'

Next time check your facts before stating dem here.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Goke7: 11:05am On Dec 06, 2017
forgiveness:


That was a rebuttal to your false statement that says and I quote 'It's a longstanding culture in the eagles for the oldest player to be captain and undisputed leader in the team'

Next time check your facts before stating dem here.

ok, try it in this present set up and see, make ebuehi captain and let's see how it goes. smh
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 11:06am On Dec 06, 2017
goldfish80:


Can you refer me to the quote? I want to know the moniker who said Kelechi was better than Martins at the same age.


Hehehehe, this is serious!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by kennysville(m): 11:08am On Dec 06, 2017
I hope this talk of Martins can die down peacefully. What i want us all to realize is we all want what is best for the national team. No one opinion is superior to the other. Everyone is right at least in their own eyes. Opinions are like nostrils... they all have holes in them. Lets wait till the world cup proper, then we will do this analysis again. My own be say choose the best going to the world cup and play the best at all times. No outside influence. Lets give Rohr more rope so he can he can hang himself properly if anything goes wrong. I remember in 1994 when Nigeria lost to Italy, they blamed it on Westerhof forgetting that a ghastly errror on the part of Oliseh was the sole reason we lost the game. I heard things like Westerhof took out an attacker for a defender when we were chasing the game.(Even amongst the players interviewed.... and if you are wondering, it was Yekini!)


Patience people.... Patience.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:09am On Dec 06, 2017
Goke7:


Oh you are going that lane abi? that was why Onigbinde failed in 2002 when he tried a system that worked for him in 1984.

You keep using things from the past to want to justify the present and it's not working bro and cannot work.

Was Onigbide tasked to win the WC or to raise a new team?

If the latter is the answer, then it is safe to say Onigbide didn't fail because he raised quality players that lasted for a while. Gbam
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:11am On Dec 06, 2017
junnyjake:


Hehehehe, this is serious!
I just need clarification. It's not serious
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 11:15am On Dec 06, 2017
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by terzurum5(m): 11:20am On Dec 06, 2017
Vincent Enyeama makes final decision on his return to the Super Eagles ahead of the 2018 World Cup

Author: Ibitoye Shittu

- Vincent Enyeama has reportedly told former Super Eagles goalie Peterside Idah that he will not return to the Super Eagles


- Nigeria have qualified for the 2018 World Cup in Russia, and many Nigerians want Enyeama back in the national team


- Peterside Idah claimed Enyeama told him that he is tired of playing for the Super Eagles



Ex Super Eagles goalie Peterside Idah has reportedly claimed that Vincent Enyeama told him in a conversation that he will not be making a return to the national team.


According to the report by Vanguard, Vincent Enyeama told Idah that he is tired playing for Nigeria and the Super Eagles coaches should count him out of the 2018 World Cup in Russia.


Recently, there have been many talks concerning the return of goalkeeper Vincent Enyeama to the national team considering the fact that Nigeria have qualified for the 2018 FIFA World Cup.



Many Nigerian football lovers believe that the experience of the former Enyimba captain will be of great help for the Super Eagles in Russia.


“I was one of those who spoke to Enyeama when there was an attempt to get him back to the national team and he told me he’s tired of playing for Nigeria.


“So, there should be no Enyeama going to the World Cup. The players should have the love to play for Nigeria and not the love to play at the World Cup and make history.” Idah was quoted to have said by Vanguard.


This latest development is expected to be a disappointment for Super Eagles Gernot Rohr as NAIJ.com had earlier reported how the coach confirmed that Enyeama will return to the national team.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.naija.ng/amp/1138952-enyeama-ready-return-super-eagles.html
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Goke7: 11:20am On Dec 06, 2017
kennysville:
I hope this talk of Martins can die down peacefully. What i want us all to realize is we all want what is best for the national team. No one opinion is superior to the other. Everyone is right at least in their own eyes. Opinions are like nostrils... they all have holes in them. Lets wait till the world cup proper, then we will do this analysis again. My own be say choose the best going to the world cup and play the best at all times. No outside influence. Lets give Rohr more rope so he can he can hang himself properly if anything goes wrong. I remember in 1994 when Nigeria lost to Italy, they blamed it on Westerhof forgetting that a ghastly errror on the part of Oliseh was the sole reason we lost the game. I heard things like Westerhof took out an attacker for a defender when we were chasing the game.(Even amongst the players interviewed.... and if you are wondering, it was Yekini!)


Patience people.... Patience.

thanks, it has always been our culture as Nigerians to blame another person for the failure of our favourite players. In 2014 world cup, folks blame Keshi for our failure against France even when it was an obvious error from enyeama for the first goal and an own goal from yobo. That's our dangerously bias we are. if not for the argentina game, rohr was already been tagged as a bad coach despite qualifying for the world cup against past afcon champions in our group. Thank Goodness his contract has been renewed to avoid distractions like we had going into past world cups, nff seems to be learning from our past.

I just hope we Nigerians won't ruin our world cup aspirations like we have been doing in the past. already even naija folks are already writing the eagles off if their preferred players are not selected. Personally am patient with the coach and the team reason am being cautious about these calls for additional players into the team. Rohr has a pool of players already that he did not even exhaust during the wcq, so why are we so hasty in the first place?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 11:22am On Dec 06, 2017
somehow:
National team is just one of his various jobs he's handled, so how come you are using the national team to judge him 100%?

Not all Nigerian coaches had it easy with the SE, some had to become puppets while some didn't. Siasia had issues with the players too, Keshi had with the Togolese players, it's not peculiar to Oliseh, it has more to do with Africans not respecting their own. Before national team, he coached some European youth teams and now he's doing it with a top club. Cut him some slacks and don't expect everyone to act the way you want. That's his style and so far so good is working for him. He's not the only coach with this way of working, they are every where in the world including known names. (Mourinho, pep etc).


Of course, I respect what Oliseh is doing at his club and I'm proud of him. Yes, those coaches also have problems with their players, they go about it maturely.

This article is kinda long, pay attention to the bold.

joseph1013:
Sunday Oliseh bringing excitement back to Fortuna Sittard



Imagine that you are in charge of a club struggling at the foot of the Dutch second division when Sunday Oliseh calls to inform you that he is available for the vacant coaching position. Fortuna Sittard's technical director, Charly Chudik, was surprised to hear the voice of the former Nigerian star late last December. The team seemed to be in a disastrous state in 18th place. Why would such a famous person be interested? And why would he get in touch instead of sending his agent, as it is usually done?

The answer is simple -- Oliseh really wanted the job.

"I received various offers after resigning from the Nigerian national team," he said in an interview with ELF Voetbal magazine. "A top club from South Africa, a club from Portugal and numerous national football federations approached me, but I wasn't interested. Family is the most important thing to me. I wanted to go to a place that would make me happy. Sittard is just 45 minutes by car from my home."

Married to a Belgian, Oliseh lives in Eupen, and that is where he took his first job as a technical director in 2007, but left after six months because he didn't like working in the office. His first coaching experience followed at tiny Verviers in the Belgian third division, but then Oliseh became a pundit, and only came back to the dugout when Nigeria offered him the post in 2015. It was a short and very eventful affair, with Oliseh eventually choosing to quit over allegedly unpaid wages and return to his natural surroundings.

Sittard, situated in Limburg close to the Belgian border, are a proud club of interesting heritage. They may have only won two cup trophies more than half a century ago, but spent long seasons in the Eredivisie and nurtured a number of quality players, including the former Barcelona and Bayern Munich midfielder Mark van Bommel.

However, Fortuna were not fortunate at all following relegation in 2001, and went close to bankruptcy at least three times. Turkish businessman Isitan Gun took over in the summer of 2016 and saved them.

"Without Gun, Fortuna wouldn't have been around these days. He brought stability to the club and appointed new people to the board," De Gelderlander journalist Robert Husken tells ESPN FC.

The 2016-17 season was tough in the extreme, though, and coach Ben van Dael was fired following a terrible run of just one point from nine matches. Oliseh was waiting for that opportunity to offer himself, and the club got a coach they could never have dreamt of.

During his illustrious playing career the Nigerian took part in two World Cup tournaments, scoring a majestic goal against Spain in 1994, won the gold medal at the 1996 Olympics, won the title in the Netherlands with Ajax, and represented Juventus and Borussia Dortmund as well.

Now, as the first black African coach ever in the Netherlands, he has had to deal with a different situation. Fortuna played in front of empty stands in recent years, but Oliseh changed the atmosphere around the club almost immediately. He got off to a winning start at the magnificently named Achilles'29, and proceeded to get some outstanding results. The 5-2 win over Ajax reserves, having trailed 2-0 at half-time, was especially memorable and fans started to flow back to the stadium. Sittard only lost five times in the second round under the new coach and finished the season well above the relegation zone.

Not all the reports were positive. Oliseh's spell with the national team was marred by conflicts with senior players, most notably the popular goalkeeper Vincent Enyeama, who was stripped of captaincy and forced into international retirement. Curiously, that was the case at Fortuna, too, as veteran captain Ferry de Regt left the club in the summer, having fallen out with the Nigerian. Assistant coach Tini Ruijs and goalkeeping coach Patrick Creemers left too, unable to work under Oliseh.

In an editorial published in June, De Limburger journalist Patrick Delait accused Oliseh of installing authoritarian regime.

He behaves like a governor, and nobody dares to contradict him," he wrote. "By constantly sharpening internal relationships, the Nigerian is becoming a ticking bomb. He looks sympathetic on TV, but behind the scenes he is a wolf in sheep's clothing."


So far, those pessimistic expectations haven't come true. On the contrary, Oliseh has made a phenomenal start to the season, winning five games out of seven, and only losing once. Following the 6-0 triumph at previously unbeaten Telstar last Friday, the biggest away win in club history, Fortuna are second in the table behind Jong Ajax, and technically lead the race because the Amsterdam side are ineligible for promotion.

That is not the only record broken by Oliseh, either. Taking the previous season into account, Fortuna are on an unprecedented run of eight home wins in a row.
And the first goal at Telstar was scored by 17-year-old sensation Perr Schuurs, the youngest captain in club history. Born in November 1999, he was given the armband in the summer by Oliseh, who explained: "If you are good enough, you are old enough." There is little doubt that Schuurs is a huge talent -- he was invited to train with Liverpool in the summer, while Ajax and PSV Eindhoven reportedly made offers to sign him.

Oliseh certainly enjoys working with youngsters much more. Out went the likes of De Regt and 33-year-old striker Sjoerd Ars; in came exciting prospects like Portuguese duo Andre Vidigal, 19, and 21-year-old Lisandro Semedo. They are ably supported by two more 21-year-olds: Finn Stokkers and Djibril Dianessy.

Having laid solid defensive foundations, Oliseh is letting his team play an attacking brand of football, with 21 goals scored so far. Talking to ESPN FC, Delait now admits: "Oliseh is a good motivator who is very strict with his tactics. Fortuna play as a unit under him."

Husken added: "Sunday is a no-nonsense coach who is very clear on what he expects from his players. Having such a star on the bench makes a massive influence on the team."

Few pundits expect Fortuna to keep running and gain promotion, but the youngsters are starting to dream big.

"The spirit of the squad is truly incredible. I have to calm the players at times, because everyone is so hungry," Oliseh told AD recently.

The turnaround had been phenomenal already and the Nigerian is making a name for himself as a coach. But the club will be wary, lest he be lured away from his home in Eupen after his contract at Sittard ends next summer. If he can gain promotion, though, managing such a tight knit team in the Eredivisie could bring some surprising results.

Source: http://kwese.espn.com/football/club/fortuna-sittard/143/blog/post/3220151/sunday-oliseh-bringing-excitement-back-to-fortuna-sittard/?ex_cid=OlisehFortuna_fb_ng_pd_MH
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:24am On Dec 06, 2017
Humility017:


there is nothing simple anymore...
we have gone beyond the stage of trial and error....
the bench should be for young and hungry players.....and not for one old leg.

your points on nacho and many others posing an average performance is not true...

even when the young nacho fired blanks you see his impact in those games...how he kept pressure on the opponent defenders. ..
as such allow his colleagues to do damages...

on unche....I believe you just trying to create excuses for him....
more than 45 minutes is enough for any player to prove himself...
I remember osaze took just few minutes to prove keshi wrong against Iran...and against Bosnia he earned a starting berth...and even scored the lone goal....


so that lane excuses for martins and co holds no water......


Young hungry players chopping bench. grin

Oga, Ike Uche was the team highest goal scorer prior to the 2013 Afcon we won. He scored a goal in one of the only two matches he played in the 2015 Afcon we failed to qualify. Was that failure?

If na failure, wetin we go call Ighalo 5 matches with only 1 goal and Iheanacho 1 goal in 4 matches as a CF?

Woefull.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 11:27am On Dec 06, 2017
Goke7:


It's a longstanding culture in the eagles for the oldest player to be captain and undisputed leader in the team, mikel can never be captain with an enyeama in the team. The older players have always been disruptive in our national teams or you think a mikel can set the rules for martins?

It's not a joke o! It has cost us real problems in the past world cups and afcon tournaments. You think all was well in the camp when yobo was present and enyeama was captain? Have you forgotten how enyeama quickly handed over the afcon trophy to yobo in 2013.

We can't simply afford those distractions in the world cup with the group we are in. Our players are not oyinbos for Christ sake despite playing in europe, na thick african blood dem get where seniority na big matter
Gok man good you said culture which mean we have imbibed it but not written rules.

The captain of a team can only be decided by a coach, comes tomorrow if Rohr said Mikel is no longer the captain that's it.Remember old Musa was removed as vice captain for younger Onazi,mind you Echiejele is still in the team

When Rohr was appointed the first thing he said was Mikel remain my captain just to set the record straight that am not ready to appoint another captain.

Let's go down to memory lane a bit on eagles captain,hope you still remember afcon 1984 Muda Lawal was the oldest with 4 afcon appearance but young Keshi was the captain.

Paul Hamilton made Andrew Uwe his captain at the despite having older players like Peter Rufai, Henry Nwosu,Ademola Adeshina even when Keshi came back fully during afcon and Olympics qualifiers in 1987,Andrew Uwe was still the captain

Hope you remember how Alloy Agu captain the team during early Westerhoff era with the presence of Ademola Adeshina,Andrew Uwe,Rasheed Yekini.

There was never a time Enyeama captain Eagles with the presence of Joseph Yobo in camp.Enyeama only captain the team on the field if Yobo find himself on the bench and this happened at Afcon 2013,this made Enyeama to handover captain band to him in the final to collect the cup.

The same scenario played itself at Tunisia 94 when Austin Eguavoen handed over captain band to Keshi after final game to collect the cup.

Remember Sunday Olishe was made the captain at the expense of older Finidi George 2000-2002 and no issue on it.

It was only Chuckwu(1980)Keshi(1990-1994)Austin Okocha(2002-2006)Kanu (2006-2010)Yobo(2010-2014)Enyeama (2014-2016)now Mikel, these are the beneficiaries of oldest being the captain.

My man it all depends on coaches decision cos a lot of things are put into consideration before a captain of the team is chosen.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:28am On Dec 06, 2017
junnyjake:
Eagles Scout Agali – Rohr Knows His World Cup Squad, No New Players Needed


The newly appointed chief scout of the Super Eagles Victor Agali says coach Gernot Rohr won’t be considering new players in his squad for the World Cup in Russia next year.


Agali made this known in a television programme in Lagos monitored by Owngoalnigeria.com, while responding to a question on if new players are going to make the squad to the World Cup.


He said there will be no need for new players in the team as the coach already has the team he plans taking to the World Cup 2018, and bringing in new players could disrupt the understanding in the team.


“The players are fired up now, the bonding is strong and they understand themselves, there would be no need to disrupt that understanding by bringing in new players. Rohr already has the players he will need at the World Cup”, Agali remarked.

Ade Emmanuel

That's a huge contradiction, doesn't make any sense. The supposed chief scout saying no new players needed.

Then what on earth was he appointed for.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:33am On Dec 06, 2017
Goke7:


It's a longstanding culture in the eagles for the oldest player to be captain and undisputed leader in the team, mikel can never be captain with an enyeama in the team. The older players have always been disruptive in our national teams or you think a mikel can set the rules for martins?

It's not a joke o! It has cost us real problems in the past world cups and afcon tournaments. You think all was well in the camp when yobo was present and enyeama was captain? Have you forgotten how enyeama quickly handed over the afcon trophy to yobo in 2013.

We can't simply afford those distractions in the world cup with the group we are in. Our players are not oyinbos for Christ sake despite playing in europe, na thick african blood dem get where seniority na big matter

It is not necessarily the oldest player but more like the longest serving player.
For eg if Martins is called back and makes the world cup, Yes he is older but, Mikel will definitely captain the team.

Even if Enyeama returns and makes it to the world cup, it is still logical for Mikel to be captain as he has spent more time with this current crop than Enyeama.

Mikel is the indisputable leader of this
crop both on and off the pitch.

Segun Odegbami predicted Yobo and Mikel to be captains of the Super Eagles in their respective times and these have come to pass.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 11:33am On Dec 06, 2017
komekn:


That's a huge contradiction, doesn't make any sense. The supposed chief scout saying no new players needed.

Then what on earth was he appointed for.

Makes me wonder.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Goke7: 11:34am On Dec 06, 2017
Kog45:
Gok man good you said culture which mean we have imbibed it but not written rules.

The captain of a team can only be decided by a coach, comes tomorrow if Rohr said Mikel is no longer the captain that's it.Remember old Musa was removed as vice captain for younger Onazi,mind you Echiejele is still in the team

When Rohr was appointed the first thing he said was Mikel remain my captain just to set the record straight that am not ready to appoint another captain.

Let's go down to memory lane a bit on eagles captain,hope you still remember afcon 1984 Muda Lawal was the oldest with 4 afcon appearance but young Keshi was the captain.

Paul Hamilton made Andrew Uwe his captain at the despite having older players like Peter Rufai, Henry Nwosu,Ademola Adeshina even when Keshi came back fully during afcon and Olympics qualifiers in 1987,Andrew Uwe was still the captain

Hope you remember how Alloy Agu captain the team during early Westerhoff era with the presence of Ademola Adeshina,Andrew Uwe,Rasheed Yekini.

There was never a time Enyeama captain Eagles with the presence of Joseph Yobo in camp.Enyeama only captain the team on the field if Yobo find himself on the bench and this happened at Afcon 2013,this made Enyeama to handover captain band to him in the final to collect the cup.

The same scenario played itself at Tunisia 94 when Austin Eguavoen handed over captain band to Keshi after final game to collect the cup.

Remember Sunday Olishe was made the captain at the expense of older Finidi George 2000-2002 and no issue on it.

It was only Chuckwu(1980)Keshi(1990-1994)Austin Okocha(2002-2006)Kanu (2006-2010)Yobo(2010-2014)Enyeama (2014-2016)now Mikel, these are the beneficiaries of oldest being the captain.

My man it all depends on coaches decision cos a lot of things are put into consideration before a captain of the team is chosen.

Great post but @the bolded, this is what has made it a precedence in the team and we know how Musa being made captain by Oliseh unsettled things. This was what rohr noticed that made him stick with Mikel. Even in other national teams in the world, we see how the captain band issue can be a problem among senior players from Germany to Ghana, it can be very sensitive.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:35am On Dec 06, 2017
Goke7:


it's only a coach who doesn't know what he is doing that will prefer martins to younger players. Except there are injuries to our current forward players, martins chances are very slim only forgiveness thinks otherwise. The younger players are hungry to make a name like we saw during the wcq and the Argentina friendly. what is martins hungry for? fame, he has it, money, very plenty. old players just want to be a part of the world cup jamboree, that's all. Martins has nothing to prove again. same thing with enyeama.


Mourinho and Athletico Madrid coach no sabi wetin dem dey do hence the need to bring old Abrahmovic and Torres into their teams.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by junnyjake(m): 11:35am On Dec 06, 2017
Icon4s:


It is not necessarily the oldest player but more like the longest serving player.
For eg if Martins is called back and makes the world cup, Yes he is older but, Mikel will definitely captain the team.

Even if Enyeama returns and makes it to the world cup, it is still logical for Mikel to be captain as he has spent more time with this current crop than Enyeama.

Mikel is the indisputable leader of this
crop both on and off the pitch.

Segun Odegbami predicted Yobo and Mikel to be captains of the Super Eagles in their respective times and these have come to pass.

Akpeyi is older than Mikel, maybe he should be handed the...
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:37am On Dec 06, 2017
Kog45:
Gok man good you said culture which mean we have imbibed it but not written rules.

The captain of a team can only be decided by a coach, comes tomorrow if Rohr said Mikel is no longer the captain that's it.Remember old Musa was removed as vice captain for younger Onazi,mind you Echiejele is still in the team

When Rohr was appointed the first thing he said was Mikel remain my captain just to set the record straight that am not ready to appoint another captain.

Let's go down to memory lane a bit on eagles captain,hope you still remember afcon 1984 Muda Lawal was the oldest with 4 afcon appearance but young Keshi was the captain.

Paul Hamilton made Andrew Uwe his captain at the despite having older players like Peter Rufai, Henry Nwosu,Ademola Adeshina even when Keshi came back fully during afcon and Olympics qualifiers in 1987,Andrew Uwe was still the captain

Hope you remember how Alloy Agu captain the team during early Westerhoff era with the presence of Ademola Adeshina,Andrew Uwe,Rasheed Yekini.

There was never a time Enyeama captain Eagles with the presence of Joseph Yobo in camp.Enyeama only captain the team on the field if Yobo find himself on the bench and this happened at Afcon 2013,this made Enyeama to handover captain band to him in the final to collect the cup.

The same scenario played itself at Tunisia 94 when Austin Eguavoen handed over captain band to Keshi after final game to collect the cup.

Remember Sunday Olishe was made the captain at the expense of older Finidi George 2000-2002 and no issue on it.

It was only Chuckwu(1980)Keshi(1990-1994)Austin Okocha(2002-2006)Kanu (2006-2010)Yobo(2010-2014)Enyeama (2014-2016)now Mikel, these are the beneficiaries of oldest being the captain.

My man it all depends on coaches decision cos a lot of things are put into consideration before a captain of the team is chosen.

Pls, tell dem. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 11:40am On Dec 06, 2017
junnyjake:

Akpeyi is older than Mikel, maybe he should be handed the...
This underlines my point.
Mikel is longer serving

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:41am On Dec 06, 2017
mazimee:


Why e no score ? angry

With all the hype here, I don't want him to be average, We have enough average already. If we are going to get another average, it shoudn't be Martins but rather a young lad

Young does not mean better.

Apart from KC that set of U17 players all approaching 21 are still largely potential.

Osimhen that has been highlighted even invited to the SE is yet to play a full game for Wolfsburg and struggles to make the bench. So he is essentially a youth player.

So who are the young players that we have that can be compared to Obagoal name one
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by mazimee(m): 11:43am On Dec 06, 2017
ADO Den Haag Worried Over Ebuehi's Situation : He Became A Nigeria Intl At This Club
Published: December 06, 2017
Dutch Eredivisie outfit ADO Den Haag are frustrated that Nigeria right-back Tyronne Ebuehi has yet to put pen to paper on a new deal, six months before the start of the 2018 World Cup.
The Super Eagle can depart The Hague as a free agent in the next six months without the club recouping their previous investment on the player if he doesn't ink a new contract.
''We have been talking to him and his agent from August,'' says football manager Jeffrey van As to Voetbal International .
"It is not easy, he has to choose whether he wants to develop further at ADO, or whether he prefers to go to a bigger Dutch club or abroad.
''He has become an international at this club, enjoys the trust and can also take steps here. It's up to him.''
Ebuehi, 21, joined ADO Den Haag in 2013 after stops at SV Hoofddorp, VV Young Boys and HFC EDO.
Igho Kingsley

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:45am On Dec 06, 2017
Goke7:

You have not responded to the guy who told you how martins failed to deliver under keshi with the chance given to him why are you avoiding that? If Martins had delivered under keshi, don't you think he will still be in the team till now? both ahmed and mikel delivered under keshi and are still delivering reason why they are still in the team.

looks like we all have forgotten that we won afcon 2013 and qualified for 2014 world cup without martins so what's this fuss all about.

In football nothing is static you are either going up or coming down.

Last season KC was doing OK now he is struggling, Isaac Success was playing good in La Liga but came to Watford and is now essentially a waste man.

Top players are measured with consistency not one game wonders.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 11:47am On Dec 06, 2017
edi287:

I'm starting to think when it comes to Nacho, some people lose any sense of rational thinking on here. We've seen people say Nacho is better than Martins was at his age despite a young Martins raping Nesta and Maldini then. Now we're hearing Martins was a flop for SE despite scoring being our 5th highest goal scorer and having scored 11 in his first 15 games. Funny thing is most are only advocating for Martins to be a squad player/impact sub. What is there to be afraid of?? If he flops at the friendlies - don't invite him. It's not that hard


Iheanacho is only better than Martins in their fantasy.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by komekn(m): 11:49am On Dec 06, 2017
Goke7:


no bias here the argument for martins recall looks weak as the Eagles have achieved greater feats without him. simple

That's not a measure of success and the basis for exclusion.

You consider it from another perspective if we were running without him if he had been in the team be would have been flying. Imagine the SE with him not without him and how much better he could be.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 11:49am On Dec 06, 2017
forgiveness:


Thank you very much. Do you know why we failed against Cameroun in the finals of 1984 Nations cup?

Don't you think it is the same goalkeeper issue?
Yes i remember vividly,we lost Peter Rufai to injury after his heroic displayed against Egypt in the semi final and Patrick Okala replaced him in the final but couldn't measured up.We are badly exposed after scoring first through Muda Lawal and later conceded three goals.

Peter Rufai was really missed, young Keshi led defence couldn't cope with more experience Cameroonian forward lines who are basking in euphoria of 1982 WC experience cos they didn't lose a match but failed to qualify from their group,they drew all the three matches.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by SerVik(m): 11:50am On Dec 06, 2017
forgiveness:


You lie no bi small.

When was Ike Uche invited and failed? You mean the joint top goalscorer for Nigeria in 2010 WC qualifiers and the top goalscorer for Nigeria in 2013 Nations cup qualifiers did nothing? Why d lie na?

In 2015 Nations cup qualifiers Ike Uche still scored a goal in two matches? Why you dey lie, na?

Oga, Lukeman Haruna was not called when he was inform, so it was expected. Person wey just dey come out from long injury na em you expect to perform wonders?

Beside, when Lukeman was playing 247 in his club and got invited, he performed wonders against Argentina and Greece at the 2010 WC.

So, try know situation of things before you feed people here with lies.



Here you go again. Stop living on past glory, this is the same way you've been embarrassing yourself with Alampasu's clean sheet against Porto 2years ago now it's uche's top scorer award in 2010. Uche was invited in 2014 for nations cup qualifiers, he did nothing special. Against congo he scored from the penalty spot, he did not win the penalty, emenike did. Against south Africa, we needed Sone Aluko's brilliance to earn a draw, again ike uche was on the pitch, nothing special. Truth is we have a special spot for certain players and when those players don't live up to expectations, we try to find certain excuses, just as you are using injury as an excuse to justify haruna's atrocious performance. Was haruna certified fit or not for the game? That haruna's performance was one of the worst performances I have ever seen from a professional. Injury or not, he flopped.

Finito

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