greiboy:


1) So if the religions kept the truth about spirits away from humanity and it is only where we can find any empirical evidence on sprits, where have you find this your new revelations on spirits? How did you find the "truth" according you?

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3) Meditation is scientifically proven, but it scientifically proven no to guide us into the spirit world. I believe it is used to remember events about our past and clear our minds. The only set of people who believed meditation can be used to enter the spirit world are religious Hindu or other religion from the east. There is no scientific evidence of astral projection, the claims of a scientific evidence of astral projection are pseudo scientific

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3) If religious God is a made up accident concept who lives in sky according to you, spirits can just be a made concept of our imagination too, since both spirits and God are supernatural. in fact, most religion believe God to be a spirit too. Christians call him the" holy" spirit

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if God is everything, then who is the leader of everything? Who was the first creature or entity to exist? Could the entity or being be God ?

Mbcastrol:
I don't want to deviate from the topic at hand but have any atheist experience black Voodoo in any form?
If you don't believe in the EXISTENCE of God, what about the gods of your various villages ?

awesomeJ:
I was gonna make a decree on something that'll happen to you within a timeframe, and we'd have both agreed on the details of the circumstance. I would then have made the decree, and you would have experienced it. And that would have demonstrated to you that the supernatural exists. Because it would have been such forces that would have gone out to work out the manifestation of the decree, God having established it.

Seun:

If you have the power to make decrees that supernatural forces will enforce, you should decree the total eradication of corruption in the Nigerian police within the next 2 weeks, a comprehensive cure for cancer by the end of this month, and a 30% rise in the value of the naira by April 1.

OtemAtum:
The day I saw into the spirit world through meditation was the day I ceased being a religious person.

Yes, they are called pseudoscience for now because they haven't been recognised or accepted by the mainstream science yet because their claims haven't been probed sufficiently yet to accept it. However, some scientists are already checking through it, for example, doctors and psychologists are already becoming interested in Near Death Experience studies, though all these still count as pseudoscientific to the mainstream science. It is a matter of time anyway. Nowadays, millions of people do spirituality without religion or even without talking about any god, I hope you know that.

Who told you that God is limited to a supernatural being? You have been conditioned to believe so, but it is not so. If God is supernatural alone, then it cannot be THE GREATEST at the same time. Rather, GOD is both Natural, Supernatural, Physical, Material, Psychological, Cosmical(just name it). God is EXISTENCE itself and anything short of that is a limitation or reduction of the massiveness of God.

By saying WHO, you are bringing in the notion that God should be like a human with eyes, nose, legs, mouth and anus, just like humans. In this way, you have reduced God to human. The first cause of Existence is EXISTENCE itself. Nothing could have existed without Existence. If you think that Odin or Allah, or Yahweh or Vishnu or Mazda, Olorun, Atum or Ra or any of these gods who are like us in appearance is the first cause, then we can as well go on to say that WHO CREATED THEM? If you say that any of these human-like gods I mention are not created(which is false) you can as well agree that EXISTENCE was not created(which is true).

I should have gone with the explanation of Atum on this issue, but I won't do that here.

Seun:

Do Witches & Wizards Exist? I Don't Think So!

Seun:

Do Witches & Wizards Exist? I Don't Think So!

Mbcastrol:


Is like saying there's no voodoo

Chrysaetos:


Dude talks like as if he is a kid. If he is so sure of himself, he should visit those places people told him about

Mbcastrol:


I think a first hand experience would do the needful lol

Chrysaetos:


Did you visit the place someone told.you about in Ondo state?

Chrysaetos:


I swear. He sounds so spiritually naive. May he not have to contend with their force oh, you will know this life is far much deeper than the mere eyes can see.

Mbcastrol:


Mountain of fire things lol

greiboy:


1)if your believe in spirits is backed by mere possibility not probability, then your faith is just as good as mine. I.e. my belief is as good as your believe in spirits. otherwise science and logic can simply dismiss your stories as pure hallucinations. Why do you choose to use hard scientific evidence to dismiss the logical flaws in my religion? Isn't that double standards.

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3) if God is everything including a person, like you claimed. Why can't I use the word "who" to classify God and more importantly, have you seen God in flesh before? or do you believe we are gods?

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I didn't say something existed before existence, I merely asked you what was the first thing to exist after the universe and realms was created? or do you believe everything in the universe came into existence at the same time, which will be going against scientific accounts of evolution.

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I also will like to know if you believe all the entities in all our universe and realms are equal or have the same powers?

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Finally, do you believe in ghosts?

Mbcastrol:


Is like saying there's no voodoo

awesomeJ:

Not anymore. The time passed.
I was gonna make a decree on something that'll happen to you within a timeframe, and we'd have both agreed on the details of the circumstance. I would then have made the decree, and you would have experienced it. And that would have demonstrated to you that the supernatural exists. Because it would have been such forces that would have gone out to work out the manifestation of the decree, God having established it.

It would have surely worked as have several others I have made.

But why you didn't sign up for it yesterday is what I still don't understand. Now it's late already.
And before you start questioning why it can't be done at just any time, you should know like I have said that there are principles which govern things including spiritual things, and they must be rightly applied.

I WAITED TILL about 10:45pm last night. Deal would be off by 12:00am. I didn't have to mention that to you. it wasn't necessary.
So since something undefined to me kept you from picking up the challenge, I figure, God must have decided to save you a ton of troubles.

Not to worry though. Just one of th ;Dese days. Could be years from now, when the atmosphere is right as it really was yesterday for me to present YOU another proof I will.

SO THIS THREAD IS OFFICIALLY OVER.

We'll continue the conversation on those other threads you make comments on.

Have a great week. God bless you.

OtemAtum:
I don't do the belief stuffs, I only talk about what I know and I ave been a part of. I am not talking about probability here. Yes, science will dismiss my stories, but logic won't dismiss it, because everything I brought from the spiritual realm is logical. I don't remember using hard sciences to reveal the flaws in your religion, rather, I used commonsense and reality and it is not double standard because I am not into religion but into reality(reality is the sum total of logical, natural, supernatural and abstract experiences). So I can talk in the light of any or combinations of these elements since it is a component of reality.

Well...personally, I think that when something is complicated, we use the word 'it' as a pronoun for it, then 'what' should go along with it. Anyway, that's my own opinion though and I use 'What is God?' rather than 'Who is God?' as soon as I realised that God is not just something that could be housed in any element of Existence but it is that EXISTENCE itself. There was a time I was viewing God as 'he' as well, but I have gone past that time due to my increase in the knowledge of God(Existence).

Evolution only means 'change' so it does not invalidate the claim that everything existed at once. For example, a baby in the womb was first a mixture of a sperm and an egg. No matter how large the microscope you use to view that fertilized mixture in the womb, you will never see a distinct human-like eye, leg, nose, head, buttock etc from that mixture, yet everything was already there from the instance fertilization take place. Then by development, you begin to see the bodyparts physically with time till the time the baby is born. Same way is existence.
Existence(God) has always been. Then evolution beginning from the big bangs make it to expand and develop into the things which could be seen, yet all these things had been right there from beginning, but we only see them as a vacuum. So, it is not a wrong assertion to say that I, you, Allah, Yahweh, animals, rivers, our thoughts and this moment in time all existed together, then evolution or development brings us to the state of being known.

Power is the rate at which work is being done. The equality of power is what I may not know how to explain in the sense that I can't tell which of this two is more powerful; one was able to supply a vast amount of energy to the earth within six hours but it could not supply 13 billion years true history of the universe within a split second, but the other can do the latter but cannot do the former. Which of them can you term as the more powerful?
Or is it someone that can sing and make the whole world weep emotionally or the other that can deceive the whole world with illusions? Which of them is more powerful? I think the topic of power equality is subjective, however, I believe in rank and hierarchy, but anything can make itself as 'powerful' as the one above it in rank.

Nollywood ghosts that appear physically to you in our physical world is not real, but the ghosts you see in dreams or when your state of consciousness has been altered are real, because we don't die. We live forever.
We are ghosts to those who are no more here on earth and they are ghosts to us as well because of the differences in the realm where we operate. But the only way to see each other is when we are dreaming, meditating or when we deliberately or accidentally lose consciousness of our presence realms of operation.

awesomeJ:

Not anymore. The time passed.
I was gonna make a decree on something that'll happen to you within a timeframe, and we'd have both agreed on the details of the circumstance. I would then have made the decree, and you would have experienced it. And that would have demonstrated to you that the supernatural exists. Because it would have been such forces that would have gone out to work out the manifestation of the decree, God having established it.

hopefulLandlord:
This is gonna be disappointing, as always

simplex2:


Bla bla bla...

What time passed? You were busy derailing your thread, attending to everyone's comment; now you just checked your time to realize time had passed? Seun asked you a question about converting to islam and it took you hours to address that particular question. I silently followed this thread, hoping to see something concrete but alas, just like we have all seen in this board over and over again, this is a total failure.

I guess you returned from church on sunday after speaking in tongue for hours and felt you could do all things including inviting seun for a challenge and making a decree which would come to pass. No after waking up from sleep, that 'auction' you got from church has disappeared and you have realized you are just as empty as a sounding cymbal.

We are waiting for your next 'auction', maybe after next sunday service.

Deckline:

My dear,the difference between 2000 years and now is TIME. As a matter of fact,we may/may not be alive before he comes. The rapture is not a myth.
If you've chosen to be reprobate,then its your choice. You know what the apostle Peter wrote about christians who later deny their faith. It would have been better if they had never seen the truth,because your end will be more terrible than the actual umbeliever. You are like them that have seen the truth,you are like them that have seen and been in the light but you now deny the very truth,you now belong to the dark and now believe lies. No matter how smart or intelligent you atheists may think you are(I laugh at you though) the devil is wiser than you and he is deceiving you.
God is warning you.

awesomeJ:

"Soon" is a relative term.
When you were 15, 5 years would seem longer to you than it does now that you're older. How much more for God whose age is more than a trillion quadrillion years. If he says soon, that's cos it's soon to Him, may not necessarily be to us.

simplex2:


It was, as suspected, an energy-draining disappointment!

He started the thread by 2:30pm, I guess he just returned from church with that 'I can do all things' attitude and decided throw up a challenge.

It took the normal Nigeria mosquito to bite common sense into him last night. He just woke up and the rhema left.

awesomeJ:


Dear brother, I never said I'd want to convince anyone. What I said is that I will give one specific person a proof for God's existence, cos that's really how far I can get. If you met someone whose convinced only Gold has value as a money form, no matter how hard you try, you can only prove to him that fiat currency does also-when you give him one to go make a purchase; but that doesn't guarantee he'll be convinced.

You're a Christian? Well good for you. but it's basically nothing to me in the context of the thread.

greiboy:

logic is reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity if there is no validity, there is no logic and validity is not opinions or personal encounter, it is factual.

1) ii) You claimed not to have used science to dismiss logic flaws in religion, but you just stated in one of your previous post that assimilation improves grades, not God or religion to dismiss the role the supernatural can play in any exam

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iii) What makes you think I haven't encounter holy spirit, why should anyone take your personal stories that cannot be independently verified as the truth, at least more than one person have ascertained the encounter with holy spirit

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Iv) I believe it is double standards because we as humans have different realities, You can't tell me your reality is more real than mine

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2) You have confused evolution and big bang theory with birth of a new born child.

if evolution means everything started existing at the same time and it only became visible when big enough to see?

Are you saying everything in the universe started existing at the same time?

Should that not mean that you existed before your mom conceived you?

Shouldn't that mean your existence is as old as your parents?

Why do we have time, age to separate us then?

What about other scientific evidence you deliberately omitted?

For example, the earth only came into existence some 4.54 billion years ago, while the universe came into existence some 13.7 billion years ago, Never mind some scientists theory of a multivesrse

So perhaps maybe a God or a absolute super power came into existence before the earth ?

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3) Everything you wrote about spirits and ghost can be simply dismissed as illogical facts because nothing has been proven by science, the same reason why God or gods have been dismissed by atheist.

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4) No, we are not equally as powerful as one another, that is why we have ranks and hierarchy like you have rightly stated In your post. I am not saying we don't all have powers of our own but they are definitely not equal, even among humans.